Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
How is it lack of love when I don't have time to stop and study out something you are interested in Slade. You are so busy that you complained just this morning that you didn't have time to search out some email of mine that you wanted me to clarify. Give me a break. Some of us do have lives

Re: [TruthTalk] (United Press International)

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Look at the world and say this with a straight face. Actually the world by it's own wisdom does not knowGod. (1 Cor 1:21) There are two kinds of wisdom Gary and the kind the world works on is not the kind that comes from God. At best what you see out there is mixture but soon the Lord will

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Terry Clifton
ShieldsFamily wrote: Izzy in blue: Yes and thanks. Wouldn't you say that salvation by grace through faith has always been the will of the Lord? If what we see as Divine Projections (such as Christ dying for our sins at a certain time) is, in fact, God's reality, then

Re: [TruthTalk] Private Interpretation

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Slade why do I have the feeling that I am being baited here and that you are not really interested in the subjects you are wanting me to clarify for you?? On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:12:41 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Great. How does one interpret privately and how does one

Re: [TruthTalk] (United Press International)

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
myth [evn common sense says wisdom is wisdom--some human thoughts and correspondg actsain't wise, some is; e.g.,do you realize thatwhile it is true (as even handedly corroboratd,e.g., by both MShields and DBrooks last nighton pub tv)that GBush lied abt the post 9-11situation in Iraq to

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Terry Clifton
Judy told the truth,Slade. How can the truth be demeaning? Unless you are referring to some post other than what she wrote below, you might want to rethink your admonishment. What she said below is historically accurate. Terry Slade Henson wrote: Perhaps you should allow Christ in

Re: [TruthTalk] (United Press International)

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Gary wisdom and knowledge are not the same; there is all kinds of knowledge out there andeven ignorance is a type of knowledge- However there are just two types of wisdom according to scripture. One that is pure, peaceable, and full of good fruit and another that is earthly, sensual, and

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:55:08 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What you cannot do, IMO, Judy, is take events out of Abraham's life and use them to contradict what was said. And what was said? That his faith was reckon as righteousness. What does that look like? You have scripture on that, you

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Terry Clifton
Gregory A. Hession J.D. wrote: One of the most consistently frustrating things about Christians is that we seem far more keen on making sure everyone around us is properly beat over the head with the truth, often with bile and anger, than in living out the life exemplified by

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
myth (whilejtconstructs falsewisdom, truth is a mystery acceptablyaddressd only bycertain cultic notions in play here, e.g., those stricturesoft're-fueld and embellishd' by DavidM) On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:12:27 -0500 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy told the truth,Slade.

Re: [TruthTalk] (United Press International)

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
so what? false distinctions foil progressive discussion/s--TThas become decisively Evangelical; we aren't here establishing a personal cultic tradition for you On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:21:37 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gary wisdom and knowledge are not the same

RE: [TruthTalk] Private Interpretation

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
You and I hardly agree. Why is that? One post in about 200 I can agree with. Perhaps you're not curious. I am. This is a highly unusual phenomenon. How is it that I get along with Izzy (most of the time), yet she seems to be a lapdog to your doctrine? That, also, makes no sense to me. David

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:13:53 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is not the case, Judy -- at least not by me or Bill -- two of your favoite digs. jt: Not so John -You and Bill are two of the worst. All of the accusations concerning hypocrisy and plagiarism are not that far into the past.

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
I am speaking [historically] ofJudy's posts. -Original Message-From:Terry CliftonSent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 13.12Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!Judy told the truth,Slade. How can the truth be demeaning? Unless you are referring to some post other than what she

[TruthTalk] Vile language

2005-01-15 Thread Terry Clifton
Thank you for your comments on the vile language,David. If it is not appropriate in mixed company or around children, then it certainly is not appropriate for Christian conversation. That is a part of the person I once was, that the Lord in His mercy delivered me from, and the farther I can

Re: [TruthTalk] (United Press International)

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Gary IMO you have your own unique "poetic tradition" and so long as youunderstand I'm fine with it. Don't worry - I'm underno delusion about anyone hereestablishing anything for me. On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:46:00 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: so what? false distinctions foil

RE: [TruthTalk] (United Press International)

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
WOW! Gary!! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 14.46To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] (United Press International) so what? false distinctions

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/15/2005 6:14:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: My belief is that God would have preferred for Adam to have stayed "in His image" and fellowshipped with Him in the garden daily but since that didn't happen, he

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Now thats what I call poetry! Izzy [Debbie] Were the chief, the most stunning of sun-eyried eagles to take up with drab and hapless crows shabby, small, squabbling with each other, living by petty thievery yet terrified of scarecrows, of straw men in fields and if he became

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Wow, Slade. Did you speak this as Moderator? How unkind and untrue IMO. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 8:55 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Good News! Perhaps

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Then Slade if you are going to accuse me publicly, you need to find these posts with the mean and demeaning talk from me so that I may examine them because I honestly don't know what you are talking about. jht On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:56:59 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I

[TruthTalk] Vile language

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]Thank you for your comments on the vile language,David. If it is not appropriate in mixed company or around children, then it certainly is not appropriate for Christian conversation. That is a part of the person I once was, that the Lord in His mercy

RE: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
ShieldsFamily wrote: Slade, I agree that DaveH is a kindly person of exemplary mannershis words are always loving. However, is it loving to try to evangelize others to a damning religion? DAVEH: Are you serious..Do you really believe I'm evangelizing on TT, Izzy? Yes, if the

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Terry Clifton
Jeff Powers wrote: jeff in red - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 10:40 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
I agree Terry, I haven't forgotten Jeff and I love him also. judyt On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:57:39 -0500 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jeff Powers wrote: jeff in red - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Gregory A. Hession J.D.
Yeah, right between Genesis and Exodis, er, or something like that. Gregory A. Hession J.D.[EMAIL PROTECTED]Springfield, Mass. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 12:29 PM Subject: Re:

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Greg, that sounded wonderful. (Are you SURE youre a lawyer??? J ) I think living lives radiated by love and wisdom also includes not taking offense easily against those who meant none. Not losing our tempers when we arent always agreed with. Not blaming others when we do. Izzy

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
Judy, I am not sure what your point is below. Apparently the problem was with Abraham's wife. The fact is, Abraham could do nothing about the promise apart from God's intervention. All that was left for him was simply to believe. THAT is the bibilical context for the statement. It is THAT

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk Conference hosted by Dave Hansen?

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 11:35:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you are serious, Dave, I am interested in exploring this idea. Is anybody else interested? Count me in. John

Re: [TruthTalk] Ye are gods

2005-01-15 Thread David Miller
Dave Hansen wrote: ... how do you explain that judges would have been originally construed to be gods? Why not just leave it as judges, or perhaps use another word? I see it like Perry does. These judges represented God. It is like when a U.S. Judge makes a decision, we say the U.S. says

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:20:02 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy, I am not sure what your point is below. Apparently the problem was with Abraham's wife. The fact is, Abraham could do nothing about the promise apart from God's intervention. All that was left for him was simply to

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
David, I must SO agree with JD and you regarding the wooing of the Holy Spirit. I remember being about twelve years old and having such a hunger to know God. I self-consciously confided in a kind neighbor lady that I wished more than anything that I had a Bible or a picture of Jesus. She

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
-Original Message- Judy wrote: ... it greatly saddens me to see so little interest in God's Word. People are so excited over the prospect of hearing the words of Athanasius, Polyani, or whoever their latest theological fad is, just like the people Paul encountered at

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread David Miller
Jeff wrote: because you are mean-hearted and mean-spirited. In short, nobody sees any love in what you write. you are mean and cover it with scripture. pathetic! Please stop with the ad hominem attacks, and speak for yourself. I see plenty of love in what Judy writes. David Miller.

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 11:35:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [Debbie] BTW, the rest of my response to John's post is at the bottom. In case people didn't scroll down all the way the first time. Debbie: a great illustration -- I saved it the moment it came across

Re: [TruthTalk] (United Press International)

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
myth [while both poetry and Prophecy areculturally conditiond, neitheris confind to cult-stricturd flat dimensional excercisg inasc (autocraticself-confirmation)--both're literarily like marriage..poetically, perhaps: on public landfed byhistorical streams, a wonder~whatevr G-d assembles

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Why is it that G always jumps in to defend Calvin? (His cult/political-leader???) Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 9:55 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Gregory A. Hession J.D.
I am a lawyer, for better or for worse. It is a constant matter of repentance for me to see how wicked my words are. I believe that it is possible for a Christian to be a lawyer, and to keep his soul. However,just as Jesus despaired ofa rich man getting into the Kingdom, it ain't easy for a

RE: [TruthTalk] Bill says goodbye?

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Keep in mind I havent (and never will) stoop to calling someone a prick or an idiot. You can smear me all you want, JD, but Im not down to that level. Why dont you get off my back? Does it make you feel better to pretend Im as nasty as Jonathan? Does that excuse him? Keep in mind, what you

Re: [TruthTalk] Private Interpretation

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:52:06 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You and I hardly agree. Why is that? One post in about 200 I can agree with. jt: Possibly because you appear to be focused in/on tradition right now and I study God's Word (just a guess on my

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Actually, two very different theologies are presented here. Cleanses us from sin is a statment that declares pardon for what we do by default (sort of) as we grow and mature in the Lord's will. Cleanses us from sinning, besides changing the gk from a noun to a verb, allows one to think

RE: [TruthTalk] Foul Language

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Try looking up jackass G. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 10:42 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Foul Language 'myth' ain't vile?? On Sat, 15 Jan 2005

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Thank you. They accused Jesus of this, so it is expected that his disciples also would be accused of this. The disciple is not above his master. I take this comment of yours as a compliment and wear it as a badge of honor. :-) Peace be with you. David Miller. J I really

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Gregory A. Hession J.D.
Dear Judy: I just arrived here, so I should be very circumspect. However, to answer your first question below, many of the posts I have read appear to come from angry people, or people who are so painfully insecure that they must make everyone conform to their doctrinal purity.

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
Calvin loved and followed Christ faithfully in the culture of his era--his impact on the world endures..he's not unlike, e.g., Vernon Grounds in this era, anthr man you'd cherish if youcould understanda little bit about him.. On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:31:28 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Just a thought (it just occurred to me). We're waiting for a time when all Israel will be saved. Could it be that Messiah's death is the sacrifice delivered once for all Israel... a communal sacrifice like the Yom Kippur service? -- slade Only if we ALL die, Slade.

Re: [TruthTalk] Foul Language

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
jackass is vile, myth is not?? On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:44:47 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Try looking up jackass G. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 10:42

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
I think she read between the insults. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 11:15 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? If you don't understand most of

RE: [TruthTalk] Private Interpretation

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Thanks for answering my question. Now I understand what you mean by "private Interpretation." -- slade

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Something I'm gonna stop doing as well. -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 15.54To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Funny, Jeff, thats exactly how you sound to me, below. Why the outbreak of hatefulness lately on TT??? Why the obscenities and backbiting? Has satan just loosed another batch of demons for the end times? I see a LOT of love in what Judy writes, so that makes at least one of us. Even if

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Terry Clifton
ShieldsFamily wrote: David, I must SO agree with JD and you regarding the wooing of the Holy Spirit. I remember being about twelve years old and having such a hunger to know God. I self-consciously confided in a kind neighbor lady that I wished more than anything that

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
myth/derogatoryspeculation On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:53:37 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think she read between the insults. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade HensonSent: Saturday, January 15, 2005

RE: [TruthTalk] Foul Language

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
I saw it as an insult to Judy. It surely did not edify her. Izzy -Original Message- Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Foul Language I disagree with all of your opinions as well as the taboo nature of the idiom piss an vinegar. However, I agree with the Biblical quote you gave of 1 Cor 8:9. This

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
no kidding, G, nomatter how garbled.izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 11:43 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? myth ('speech' is v revealing)

RE: [TruthTalk] Foul Language

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
How odd, Kay. I remember you posting it; not David M. Please re-post your quote of DM. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 11:45 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Foul

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Correction performed off-forum by the [struggling] moderator. -Original Message- From: David Miller Sent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 15.30 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News! Please stop with the ad hominem attacks, and speak for yourself. I see plenty of love in what Judy writes.

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Do you believe the fall occurred before the creation of the world? Did the angelic host come into existence before Genesis 1:1 (so to speak)? The highlight text below is what prompted my question. -- slade From:Judy TaylorSent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 11:22

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 11:36:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John Smithson wrote: On a good day, we are nothin like Him, right? Nothing. ... I am sorry, but if we do thus and so, how close to Being Like God (Be ye perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect) are we?

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
A perfect example of missing the opportunity to assume someone meant something kindly (as in I Cor 13)? Izzy slade P.S Your lack of love continues to shine through with EACH of your posts. Congrats. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 11:36:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you. They accused Jesus of this, so it is expected that his disciples also would be accused of this. The disciple is not above his master. I take this comment of yours as a compliment and wear it as

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
== Just a couple of thoughts here. Unmerited grace? Absolutely! Unconditional love? In most cases, yes. Unconditional forgiveness? Absolutly not! As to the Be perfect thingy, I think that Jesus asked that of us just so that we could experience how

RE: [TruthTalk] (United Press International)

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Please give us Calvins take on that G. J Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 1:09 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] (United Press International) myth [evn common

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
myth (any post you produce from the archives, subject to assessment by any reader willing,puts your words in the best light possible, inductively; ifnot true, then set forth your doctrine as it is--e.g., what is your hermeneutic? so far, the archival pic is of a cultic ideology influential

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
I believe Lucifer and 1/3 of the angels fell before the foundation of the world and they now live in the 2nd heaven (or this worlds upper atmosphere). God allowed them to access His garden in order to test AE. On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:13:41 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] Foul Language

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 11:36:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jonathan used the following: --- prick noun (plural pricks) Huh Lets not go there, shall we JD feels a big ol grin comin on ! ! !

RE: [TruthTalk] Private Interpretation

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
-- slade The primary source of our [collective] problems, in case you are curious, is the sheer lack of love on this forum... (which thevassals of divisiveness do not know they are the ultimate culprits and all other sources are in direct response). Perhaps the Lord

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Does this jive with the idea that everything G-d finished creating on the 6th day was considered VERY GOOD? -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 16.21To:

RE: [TruthTalk] Vile language

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for your comments on the vile language,David. If it is not appropriate in mixed company or around children, then it certainly is not appropriate for Christian conversation. That is a part of the person I once was, that the Lord in His

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread David Miller
Greg wrote: When we stand in front of the dread judgment seat, the test is not how well we shoved every abstruse point of theology down the throats of the ignorant, but how we lived the great truths we already know, and taught the others with mercy and peace, so as to edify the listener,

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gregory A. Hession J.D. Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 2:36 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News! I am a lawyer, for better or for worse. It is a constant matter of

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 11:36:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Again, I ask Where does it say 1/3 of the angels fell? Isn't it somewhere near "Cleanliness is /godliness?" JD

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 11:36:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gregory A. Hession J.D. wrote: One of the most consistently frustrating things about Christians is that we seem far more keen on making sure everyone around us is properly beat over the head with the

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread David Miller
John wrote: The fact is, Abraham could do nothing about the promise apart from God's intervention. All that was left for him was simply to believe. THAT is the bibilical context for the statement. Good point. Nevertheless, if Abraham did not cooperate and continue to have sexual

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 11:36:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just a couple of thoughts here. Unmerited grace? Absolutely! Unconditional love? In most cases, yes. Unconditional forgiveness? Absolutly not! As to the "Be perfect" thingy, I think that Jesus asked that of

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 12:29:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - You don't think taking Isaac the son of promise and some wood for the sacrifice to Mt. Moriah in obedience to the voice of God had anything to do with Abraham's faith being counted to him for

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
In the Sermon on the Mount, Christ made a mountain out of a mole hill, sort ta speak. Things are not easier, when He gets through talking -- they are impossible. Thus, our continual need for him. At least, that is where my mind landed after reading your post. Good post. Jd John, you

Re: [TruthTalk] Bill says goodbye?

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 12:42:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JD, please point out where I maligned anyones motives in the discussion above. (Hint: you cant because I didnt.) You can smear me all you want, JD Read it and weep. Both taken from the same page,

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 12:30:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy wrote: ... it greatly saddens me to see so little interest in God's Word. People are so excited over the prospect of hearing the words of Athanasius, Polyani, or whoever their latest theological

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 12:45:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you for clarifying your opinion. I respectfully disagree. Izzy I love the "respectfully" part. Seriously. Jd

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 12:54:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just a thought (it just occurred to me). We're waiting for a time when all Israel will be saved. Could it be that Messiah's death is the sacrifice delivered once for all Israel... a communal sacrifice

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
I just have to share with you how JOYFULL I am in the Lord right nowI am OVERCOME with a Spirit of PRAISE I cannot stop the flow of tears of praise!!! I cant stop sobbing with joy!!! HOW I BLESS THE NAME OF THE LORD. HOW I THANK AND PRAISE HIM FOR CONDESCENDING TO BE AMONG HIS

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
8th Grade? NoGary the KJV is written at the 10th Grade level of course your hero Vernon Grounds is probably way above that and probablyanythingnot Conservative Baptist iscultish so far as you're concerned. Sorry On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:20:27 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (any

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Praise Him, Hallelujah - Thanks for sharing Sister Izzy, I'm with you and whoever else wants to join in ... judyt On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:02:21 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just have to share with you how JOYFULL I am in the Lord right nowI am OVERCOME with a

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Of course why wouldn't it? jht On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:30:06 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does this jive with the idea that everything G-d finished creating on the 6th day was considered VERY GOOD? -- slade From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: To say that the righteousness that we manifest is somehow inferior to God's righteousness is to denigrate God's righteousness (if we proclaim that we cannot be righteous apart from God). John wrote: I will not address the is to denigrate thingy except to say that it has

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Don't forget the awesome, "God helps those who help themselves." -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 16.38To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk]

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
If haSatan was fallen, not everything would be very good. Now, if G-d created the angels before the creation, where do you get such an idea? -Original Message-From:Judy TaylorSent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 17.17Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology Of

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Let me restate the question with the proper inflection Could it be that Messiah's death is the sacrifice delivered once for all of Israel... a communal sacrifice like the Yom Kippur service? -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
You wanted an example of hatful speech. Here's an example. Shall I continue to do this or shall I shut up? -- slade -Original Message-From: Judy TaylorSent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 17.08Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? 8th Grade? NoGary the KJV is

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:46:55 -0500 "Gregory A. Hession J.D." [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Judy: I just arrived here, so I should be very circumspect. However, to answer your first question below, many of the posts I have read appear to come from angry people, or people who are

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:46:07 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let me restate the question with the proper inflection Could it be that Messiah's death is the sacrifice delivered once for all of Israel... a communal sacrifice like the Yom Kippur service? --

Re: [TruthTalk] What is Unity?

2005-01-15 Thread Gregory A. Hession J.D.
May I suggest that we don't have to say the same thing in all details to have unity. We are united in the fundamentals. What we often disagree about is doctrine, rather than the weightier matters of the law and life. We don't need to have conflict over them. The great theologians of yore

Re: [TruthTalk] Taboo?!??

2005-01-15 Thread Jeff Powers
Just what exactlyis butt dust? Jeff - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 16:02 Subject: [TruthTalk] Taboo?!?? A visiting minister waxed eloquent during the offertory prayer. "DearLord,"

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
No Slade, that's fine. IMO this is tame compared to some of the stuff coming from Gary's computer which has been ongoing for months now.That the KJV is written on a 10th grade level is true and thisI don't mind being equated with. But I'm curious as to why I am singled out over this - Did

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Are you part of Israel? If so, how? If not, why? -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 17.55To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re:

RE: [TruthTalk] What is Unity?

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Greg Now you've got my curiosity up. Are you an Infralapsarian or an Supralapsarian? -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Gregory A. Hession J.D.Sent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 17.58To:

RE: [TruthTalk] What is Unity?

2005-01-15 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Or a prelactarian, like me? Milk in the mug before the tea. (Sorry! :-) ) You're right, Greg: unity is, happily,not uniformity. I like your mastery of words. Debbie -Original Message-From: Slade Henson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 6:06 PMTo:

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Why do I single you out? I will be honest. Your posts are the catalyst that create antagonism and division.Others reactagainst the way you come across.I'm fully expecting to get ripped on this one by David Miller and Izzy and you, but that's my opinion... that's why I used exact terms and

Re: [TruthTalk] (United Press International)

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
e.g., crucial to countrg the power of Catholicism in 15th c. Europe, Calvin, in his preface to the Institutes,chose to addresstheearthly king of France as powerful himself relative to (perhaps acceptnc/rejection of)God's will, not (as) unwise in any sense..tointimidate himwould've indicatd

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