David Miller wrote:
DaveH wrote:
To me it [the cross] was a work of those who rallied
against God. But through his power, my Lord overcame
the effect of the cross and was resurrected-
I think the Mormons teach contrary to the Bible about the cross and the
blood shed on the cross. Was the cross part of God's plan,
DAVEH: Yes. But so was Judas.
or was it the
enemy rising against God?
DAVEH: I was also a tool of the enemy of the Gospel.
I can understand how you might see the enemy is
involved rising against God and your Savior, but surely you must understand
that this was part of God's plan to bring salvation.
DAVEH: Agreed. However, there are lots of 'not so pleasant' things that are a part
of the Lord's plan to bring salvation to mankind. For instance, would Protestants
wear little drops of blood jewelry (such as the Red Cross gives you when you give
blood)? Wouldn't that be an important symbol for Christians that represents the
Lord's love for us?
I know that you have
been taught about the blood Jesus sweat in the Garden, but the blood shed on
the cross is what redeemed mankind, according to the Scriptures, which
cannot be broken. Consider the following passages and their emphasis on
the cross:
For the preaching OF THE CROSS is to them that perish foolishness; but UNTO
US WHICH ARE SAVED IT IS THE POWER OF GOD.
(1Cor. 1:18)
DAVEH: I view preaching of the cross to be a bit different than idolizing it. From
you perspective, it may not seem like idolization, but from my LDS perspective it
does.particularly when I see the way the RCC folks relate to the cross.
And whosoever DOTH NOT BEAR HIS CROSS, and come after me, cannot be my
disciple. (Luke 14:27)
DAVEH: I think we both recognize this as being symbolic of what we will experience,
rather than the jewelry we should wear.do you not agree, DavidM???
But God forbid that I should GLORY, save IN THE CROSS of our Lord Jesus
Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. (Gal
6:14)
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the
middle wall of partition between us; Having ABOLISHED IN HIS FLESH the
enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in
himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile
both unto God in one body BY THE CROSS, having slain the enmity thereby.
(Eph 2:14-16)
DAVEH: The 'wall' or 'partition' I believe Paul was referring to was physical death,
which the Lord overcame with his resurrection.
Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye
have us for an example. (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and
now tell you even weeping, that they are the ENEMIES OF THE CROSS OF CHRIST:
Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in
their shame, who mind earthly things.) For our conversation is in heaven;
from whence also we look for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall
change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body,
according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto
himself. (Phi 3:17-21)
DAVEH: Again, it seems he is referring to a physical resurrection.
For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell; And,
having made peace THROUGH THE BLOOD OF HIS CROSS,
DAVEH: That's an interesting comment. Crosses don't have blood, so do you think he
might have been referring to Christ's burden (taking upon himself the sins of the
world) with his BLOOD OF HIS CROSS reference? If so, I believe that initially
happened in the Garden of Eden. His death on the cross sealed (finalized) the
atonement.
by him to reconcile all
things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or
things in heaven. And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your
mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh
through death, to present you holy and unblamable and unreprovable in his
sight. (Col 1:19-22)
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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