michael douglas wrote:
DAVEH: No Michael, I don't see it that way at all. Nor do I understand why you see it that way. Paul wrote this AFTER Jesus had become exalted. Furthermore, to quote vs 3.......DAVEH: I did. Furthermore, there are several Biblical comments that infer his Father is an exalted man......Can you address the above for me...".......he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;......" Jn 14:9 Where in this verse does it say that The Father is an exalted man?
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"Who being the brightness of his glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, and ......." Heb 1:3
The only thing that these verses can suggest in this regard is that God is a man, and that a non-exalted one, for these verses refer to Jesus in His pre/non-exalted state. He was only exalted after He ascended on high. Therefore if we are to make this kind of association this LDS theory breaks completely down... Can you see that?
"Who being the brightness of his glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"
.........leaves little room to think Paul was not referring to Jesus in his exalted (after purging our sins, than sat on the right hand of his Father) position.
DAVEH: OK......vs 8......."Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, BEING IN THE FORM OF GOD, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" Phi 2:6-7You have to finish the passage... It says He took upon himself the form of a servant, and being found in fashion as a man... So it tells us that the God-state is totally different from the man-state, it is something He had acquired on becoming human.
"And being found in fashion of a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."
.......Yes, the "fashion as a man" refers to his ability to die, which his exalted Father could not do. Nor can Jesus in his now exalted state do. But before he became exalted, death was something he was capable of doing and is how he was compared to men by Paul.
DAVEH: I don't agree, Michael. Before Jesus was born into the world, he was the God of the Old Testament, and as such was a spirit. (I've previously explained the spirit creation.....but if you don't understand what I've previously posted, I'll be happy to explain it again.) That does not mean his Father did not have a physical body at that time.Finally, John 1 said that '...the Word became/was made flesh and dwelt amongst us...' This tells us that God is not flesh.
Notice, it does not say ...the Word, which was flesh, came and dwelt among us... or anything of the sort........and, there are numerous Bible passages that personify God.
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