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- Original Message - 
From: Dave Hansen 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/11/2005 4:39:56 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] : Doug Gresham Comments on Narnia

DAVEH: Hey Dean, I think your comment was truncated. Perhaps you should have said."Hey bro-can I help you find your way out of town?"...What better service could a Christian provide for one who has lost his way!?!?!?!? :-D 

cd: The anti-Christ bias is showing your true nature Dave. I have been escorted out of town(s) on occasions for simple reading the reading the words of Christ out loud-but it was always the non-believers who did the escorting-not the believer-where does that place you?Dean Moore wrote:  


cd: Just walk up to your local Street Preacher and say :"Hey bro-can I help?"




























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[TruthTalk] CHARLES PERRY LOCKE, KEVIN (?), DEAN MOORE? ON TAKING THEM SERIOUSLY?

Blaine/Dave (et al out there):Just between us (+ 50M other people). Were you 
to ACTUALLY  engage in a conversation of some substance, what would it look 
like? IMO, this ain't it!


I've asked you before. I'am askin' agin. If the foundation upon which you've 
built your hope for the 'future' were UTTERLY FALSE, what difference, IYO, 
would that make to God? IOW, IFF God is not the god in whom you've place 
your trust, what then?


- Original Message - 
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 12, 2005 23:47
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Signing off...




Just be sure you remember your secret password and secret handshake so 
Joseph Smith will allow you entrance into heaven. If lucky, you may become 
one of his many spirit wives!



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Signing off...
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:19:35 EST



I guess I never got to know you, Christine--but hope to meet you in the
great beyond--you may be required to testify at the Bar of God as to what 
you

have seen and heard on TT--
Blainerb

In a message dated 12/11/2005 11:24:52 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I am  signing off. I have gotten sucked into the world of TT, and I think 
it
would  be beneficial to my GPA to bid adeiu. Thanks for all the 
discussions. I

have  learned a great deal. May the Lord bless you and keep you all.

It  would be cool to meet you all in real life some day. But maybe not all 
in

the  same room. I wonder how that would turn out... :-)

-Christine  Miller






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Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evil

LOL and the guy with the red suit  pitchfork is just the maintenance man[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Blainerb: If Kevin were honest with TT'rs, he would tell you the truth--the stars"plastered all over" the Salt Lake Temple, altho all five-sided, are not all inverted. Some are, some are not. They were placed there for decorative purposes, as well as symbolizing the North Star, the Morning star, the Star of Bethlehem, the Telestial Kingdom, the creations of God, etc. In a message dated 12/12/2005 7:39:12 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 writes:Really don't you worry about it at all  It is probably not important that you have the same Star plastered ALL Over the Salt Lake temple as the one on the front cover of the Satanic Bible  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  In a message dated 12/11/2005 11:24:28 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  In symbolism, especially masonic symbolism, from which the mormon stuff was
 takenIt was never "taken" from Masonic symbols--you are attaching WAAAY too much significance to a star on a wall--what you come across as doing is Grabbing At Straws!!
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE









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Sent: 12/12/2005 12:10:32 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE


I think the twelve tribes did each have one of the zodiac signs as its symbol-- Joseph was Taurus (each horn of the bull representing one of his sons--Ephraim and Mannasseh), Dan was Scorpio, Judah was Leo, Reuben was Aquarius, etc., but a book I own says there are more than twelve different personalities possible as symbolized by the zodiac--it was almost an infinite number, due to the 360 degrees in the zodiac circle, multiplied by the twelve signs, multiplied by 144 different sun-moon combinations, multiplied by the positions of the planets in the zodiac and their combinations with the sun and the moon and, etc.etc. etc. The number was 10 to the 332nd power! This would come a little closer to accounting for each unique personality than any personality theory I am aware of. 
cd: Actually The Zodiac was adapted from the Jewish Traditions which didn't used our modern day Zodiac-They saw Samson-Moses and other prophets in the stars.


In a message dated 12/10/2005 11:37:21 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Looks like you and I were born just a few days apart, Blaine. So wouldnt that mean we are pretty much identical? (Disturbing thought!!!) Gee, there must only be 12 different kinds of folks in the world; kinda like the twelve tribes of Israel, huh? iz





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 9:50 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE



Judy you're just too fixed on a one bible only theme. You would enjoy your life more if you would loosen up on that point a bit, huh? The Book of Mormon is the word of God, and see what you are missing? 

Tell me your birthday, maybe I can psych out your problem . . . :)

Blainerb

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry's Sexually Suggestive Comments









- Original Message - 
From: Dave Hansen 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/13/2005 12:07:55 AM 
Subject: [TruthTalk] Perry's Sexually Suggestive Comments

If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! DAVEH: I wonder if Dean is going to rebuke you for making such sexually suggestive comments, Perry!  If not, will we then have another example of hypocritical Christianity in TT?
cd: Somebody has to keep the lusting Mormons in line with common decency.Charles Perry Locke wrote: 
Just be sure you remember your secret password and secret handshake so Joseph Smith will allow you entrance into heaven. If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Signing off... Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:19:35 EST I guess I never got to know you, Christine--but hope to meet you in the great beyond--you may be required to testify at the Bar of God as to what you have seen and heard on TT-- Blainerb In a message dated 12/11/2005 11:24:52 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am signing off. I have gotten sucked into the world of TT, and I think it would be beneficial to my GPA to bid adeiu. Thanks for all the discussions. I have learned a gre
at deal. May the Lord bless you and keep you all. It would be cool to meet you all in real life some day. But maybe not all in the same room. I wonder how that would turn out... :-) -Christine Miller -- 
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Re: [TruthTalk] Almost(s) Anti(s)




DAVE Wrote:
. If anybody is hung up on sexual stuff, it seems like Dean gets particularly excited (that may not be the best word to describe the situation) when the topic is broached.
cd:Dave explain what you mean bythis remark?

Re: [TruthTalk] Almost(s) Anti(s)









- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/12/2005 7:08:04 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Almost(s)  Anti(s)

I was neither saddened at your departure nor happy at your return. Carry on doing what you do and, PLEASE DON'T RESTRAIN YOURSELF ON MY BEHALF!

cd: God bless you Lance and know that I pray for you often.

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From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: December 12, 2005 07:02
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Almost(s)  Anti(s)







- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/12/2005 6:50:40 AM 
Subject: [TruthTalk] Almost(s)  Anti(s)

Such as these, Dean, do not determine what can/can't be said nor how it's to be said on TT! Did you not know this?

Iz 'speaks' with a mature voice ('ceptin politically, of course), whereas I've never thought of you as anything other than a BABY. 
cd: Not sure what you as accreting Lance-If I answer without knowing you may cry to the Moderator that I am mean to you-this is after you told me to leave when I first can on this site-Satan led people are always accuses others of the very thingtheyare doing..

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: December 12, 2005 06:43
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox







- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/11/2005 3:42:17 PM 
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox


Then theres the stuff that stinks..
cd: How can searching the deeper things of God ever do such? Have the almost(s) and the anti(s) Christians on this site cryied so loudly that we now can only discuss baby food (ie milk) so as to not stir the pot?





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean MooreSent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 11:18 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox










- Original Message - 

From: ShieldsFamily 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: 12/11/2005 12:00:57 PM 

Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox


To let it lie there, I think. 

cd: But a pot of chile smells better when stirred-it releases wonder aroma into the air for all to enjoy.





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean MooreSent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:41 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox










- Original Message - 

From: ShieldsFamily 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: 12/11/2005 10:19:34 AM 

Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox


I think we got it resolvedbetter not stir the pot. iz
cd: Chicken? What was the conclusion?





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean MooreSent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 8:07 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox










- Original Message - 

From: ShieldsFamily 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: 12/11/2005 8:43:36 AM 

Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox


Yes, welcome back Brother Dean. (Where were you when I was getting all beat up for loving the Saturday Sabbath?) iz
cd: Thanks izzy. Care to send me a posting of this subject and I will be happy to take it up-with the rational minded.





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean MooreSent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 4:57 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox









- Original Message - 

From: Dave Hansen 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: 12/10/2005 6:32:21 PM 

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox



DAVEH: Welcome back, Dean! Despite your anti-Mormon bias, I am glad you have returnedeven if only temporarily



cd:Taking youyour anti-Christ bias in consideration I view your welcome as a spider speaking to a fly-He says:" Welcome to mydwelling placemy friend ,nice to see you, come closer and sit by me and we will speak of older times and places far away".Dean Moore wrote: 




\Your author is nothing more than a cheap put-down artist bent on making Joseph Smith the true prophet look bad.



 cd:True prophet? What makes him true? If one speaks wrongly can that one still hold the title of true Prophet-or is he just another hell boundunrepenting Mormon lusting after other women? Your actions of late also remove you own credibility as a man of God-and show us how Mormons really are-Yes a credit to your church.




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Re: [TruthTalk] Inverted Stars on LDS Temples

The inverted pentagram is the UNIVERSAL sign for Satan  The Inverted pentagran with the elogated bottom point is to symbolize the Fall of Satan   All this changes of courseif it is on the Temple, because it must be so.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Blainerb: The following sites furnish the truth about Inverted stars on LDS Temples and what they mean:http://www.fairlds.org/pubs/Stars.pdfhttp://www.lightplanet.com/response/answers/pentagrams.htmKevin, we will be awaiting your comments
 once your perfidy is uncovered. 
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox









- Original Message - 
From: Dave Hansen 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/12/2005 11:41:30 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox

DAVEH: I'm not sure what you are suggesting, Izzy. Does Satan not tempt non-LDS Christians? Or, are they just reluctant to admit such?

cd: On yes we have temptations-buttrue Christianssay no to Satan before is manifests into sin -Mormons (ie On this site and in person) on the other Hand not only dwell on their lust for the flesh but also speak what is in their hearts(ie: waiting with bated breath, tight leather, and if you want todiscuss this off TT email me).Lustful wicked people quick to sin and lead other to do likewise as they are lead by the flesh and not the spirit.ShieldsFamily wrote: 









When we took a young mormon couple with us to a medical meeting a few years ago I was talking with the newlywed wife while we were shopping together. I was shocked when she told me that she struggled with temptation towards another man that she worked with. Her husband was a precious young man, and they were newlyweds! izzy




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Re: [TruthTalk] BLAINE/DAVE: PLEASE CONFIRM/DENY THIS ACCUSATION

Worship in the temple is done facing towards the East like SUN Worshipers Satanic Stars Black Sheep sacrificed by joe riding a Black horse before getting plates Visits of the Golden Angel Plates given on significant Occult days Moroni called an "Angel of Light" (see devil) Seer Stones like crystal balls Jo's use of the divining ROD Jo's use of a Magic circle to find treasureJo used a Serpent shaped cane use of Magic Parchments Astrological calendars for tracking the Mooon signs of Zodiac in Deseret News edited by William Richards 2nd counselor 1st Pres Stars for "Orientationin this Mortal life" all over the Temple SUN symbols on Temples. The Zodiac is made up of 12 SUN signs The Church organized Apr 6 1830 when jo's Governing Planet Jupiter was in "quadrature" with the Sun Jo's
Jupiter Talisman exactly the same as any other witch/warlock would use to cast God will Judge every Idle word How much more will He judge your WICKED DEEDS! PS 28:4 Give them according to their deeds, and according to the wickedness of their endeavours: give them after the work of their hands; render to them their desert.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Blainerb: "But I say unto you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment" (Matt. 12:36).
In a message dated 12/12/2005 7:41:04 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just like the "innocent" Satanic symbols all over the Temple, NO BIG THING.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/12/2005 5:05:19 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IFF true then, will
you explain the 'teaching' underlying this practice? IFF false then, tell us if this was EVER THE CASE?We usually try to avoid discussions of what is done in LDS Temples--not because there is anything wrong going on, but because those ignorant --totally ignorant--of what is done would welcome the opportunity to blow anythingdescribed in innocence waaay out of proportion. In my opinion, Dean and Perry and Kevin lay in wait for just such opportunities. The best thing I can tell you is,it is all considered sacred and therefore not open to discussion. Bad enough these guys support wavingunder clothing with sacred symbols on it in public view.

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Re: [TruthTalk] Inverted stars on LDS Temples

Does the temple display Satanic stars? On has only to use the eyes God gave him, or he can shut his eyes and avoid the obvious 666Who else OTHER than Satanists use these Inverted Stars? The following does not answer anything just again says, well it is not Stanic cause we say so. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:One-Minute Answers by Stephen R. GibsonContents of One-Minute Answers Does the Temple Display Pentagrams?Question: Doesn't the Salt Lake Temple display satanic pentagrams on its exterior walls? The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is viewed by some extremists among its critics to be a satanic cult. Those who view the Church in this light think they have discovered pentagrams on the Salt Lake Temple's exterior which they conclude are of the occult, and therefore, satanic in origin.
Pentagrams are, by definition, any five-pointed, star-shaped figure. It is no secret that there are five-pointed stars on the outside walls of the Salt Lake Temple; they are there for all to see and admire. However, only those with a jaundiced eye to Mormonism would declare such symbols to be pagan and occult upon viewing them in person. James E. Talmage gives this description of these star stones: There are in the walls several series of stones of emblematical design and significance, such as those representing the earth, moon, sun, and stars, and in addition are cloud stones, and stones bearing inscriptions Star-Stones are numerous; each bears in relief the figure of a five-pointed star. On the east center-tower immediately below the battlements are sixteen of these, four on each face, and on each of the east comer towers are twelve such stones, making forty on these towers alone. The Keystones of the doorways and those of the window arches belong to
this class, each bearing a single star. Star-Stones of another kind appear on the face of the center tower at the west. Here, above the highest window and extending to the base of the battlement course, are seen the seven stars of the northern constellation Ursa Major or Great Bear, otherwise known as the Dipper. The group is so placed that the two stars called Pointers are practically in line with the North Star itself (The House of the Lord, pp. 148-50). Five-sided stars have occasionally been used by Church members in various artistic expressions since the time of Joseph Smith. Some have noted their connection with Church newspapers, Nauvoo legion uniforms, with the concept of deseret, and with the genealogical society of the Church. These stars, for the most part, have been pentagrams only in the sense that they are five-sided stars. Extremist critics, however, lead unwitting readers to untrue assumptions. They first explain that
inverted stars are known as "goat heads" and depict a goat's head within a star that has two points facing up, and then say that the stars on the temple also have two points facing up. What they do not mention is that the five-sided stars can be found placed at various angles, only occasionally having two points up. There are no goat's heads carved on these temple stars. Mormonism is vehemently opposed to anything satanic, and critics' allegations are therefore a distortion of the Church's position. No one argues that a certain type of pentagram is significant to members of the occult. But to imply that any use of any five-sided star constitutes allegiance to Satan flies in the face of reason. Numerous secular organizations, not least among them the Boy Scouts of America and the U.S. Government, have utilized five-pointed stars as part of their symbolism. Does that make them satanic as well? Are Americans who salute the flag and its fifty pentagrams unwittingly pledging their
allegiance to Satan? Of course not. For most of today's Church members, the stars on the Salt Lake Temple are mainly decorative nuances around the windows and cornices of the temple. That some of them happen to be pointing downward has no significance other than to add variety to the arrangement. Among today's Church members there are those who interpret the stars as representing light and knowledge. Others see them as referring to the Telestial Kingdom. No other temple is similarly decorated. In his own time, Jesus also had to contend with those who allege his ministry was inspired and directed by Satan: "But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils" (Matt. 12:24). Perhaps Jesus' response to this allegation is applicable for today's critics of his temple: Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself
shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? (Matt. 12:25-26)It is no secret that the LDS Church is opposed to Satan and his plan to enslave mankind. Why then, on the exterior of

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evil

There were freemasons at the founding of our goverment.http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_tapestra11.htmWhite house at bottom point  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:"Universally accepted symbol for Satan?"What about the Congressional Medal of Honor??? Please note the pentagrams, all pointing downwardTHE MEDALOF HONOR  The highest award for valor in action against an enemy force which can be bestowed upon an individual serving in the Armed Services of the United States...  -- LEARN MORE--  NEWSIn a message dated 12/12/2005 8:17:54 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Don't let your mind accept what your eyes see.  It may look like the satanic star, it may have the same proportions as the satanic Star. it may align with the satanic star in every way if we overlay them,  But it can not be a Satanic star since you say so.  pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!  look this way  repeat after me "I know the church is true"  Avert your eyes look away that is not the universally accepted symbol for Satan.  repeat after me.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  What about the stars on the American flag?? five points.
 I doubt they or the Mormon Temple builders even worry about what direction the stars point  
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] The House of the Lord Holiness to the Lord

Mormonism has a Different LORD[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Mormon temples are sacred places. Their whole intent and purpose is summed up in the words etched on the outer front walls ofeach of them:HOLINESS TO THE LORDTHE HOUSE OF THE LORDRebuilt LDS Temple in Nauvoo, Illinois113th operating temple to be completed  Death masks of the martyrs, L-R Joseph, Hyrum Smith  They sealed their testimony with their own blood--It was thought by killing them, Mormonism would go away.
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] CHARLES PERRY LOCKE, KEVIN (?), DEAN MOORE? ON TAKING THEM SERIOUSLY?

Your RIGHT again Blaine it is not important at all whether one believes Secret handshakes gets you entrance into heaven BTW what is the password today?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine/Dave (et al out there):Just between us (+ 50M other people). Were you to ACTUALLY engage in a conversation of some substance, what would it look like? IMO, this ain't it!I've asked you before. I'am askin' agin. If the foundation upon which you've built your hope for the 'future' were UTTERLY FALSE, what difference, IYO, would that make to God? IOW, IFF God is not the god in whom you've place your trust, what then?- Original Message - From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: December 12, 2005 23:47Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Signing
off... Just be sure you remember your secret password and secret handshake so Joseph Smith will allow you entrance into heaven. If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives!From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Signing off...Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:19:35 ESTI guess I never got to know you, Christine--but hope to meet you in thegreat beyond--you may be required to testify at the Bar of God as to what youhave seen and heard on TT--BlainerbIn a message dated 12/11/2005 11:24:52 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I am signing off. I have gotten sucked into the world of TT, and I think itwould
be beneficial to my GPA to bid adeiu. Thanks for all the discussions. Ihave learned a great deal. May the Lord bless you and keep you all.It would be cool to meet you all in real life some day. But maybe not all inthe same room. I wonder how that would turn out... :-)-Christine Miller -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. --"Let your speech be always with
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Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

Why did the LDS "CHOIR" sing songs about the Cross you dispise at general Conference last October?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 12/12/2005 7:42:12 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  One of the best songs I ever heard was titled, âHe Loved Me with a Crossâ. izOne of the weirdest songs I ever heard was The Old Rugged Cross. It seemed
 to glorify the cross in a negative way. I doubt the Lord even to this day is overly fond of that old rugged cross. :)  Blainerb
	
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[TruthTalk] TRUE CHRISTIANS SAY NO TO SATAN BEFORE IT MANIFESTS INTO SIN - says Dean Moore




Speaking ONLY of expressions on TT, may I ask ALL 
participants who have never sinned ON TT to identify themselves. IMO, NOT ONE 
HAS NOT SINNED ON TT ALONE NEVER MIND THEIR LIVES APART FROM 
TT.

Re: [TruthTalk] TRUE CHRISTIANS SAY NO TO SATAN BEFORE IT MANIFESTS INTO SIN - says Dean Moore

Are you holding Confession and holding out forgiveness FATHER?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Speaking ONLY of expressions on TT, may I ask ALL participants who have never sinned ON TT to identify themselves. IMO, NOT ONE HAS NOT SINNED ON TT ALONE NEVER MIND THEIR LIVES APART FROM TT.
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] TRUE CHRISTIANS SAY NO TO SATAN BEFORE IT MANIFESTS INTO SIN - says Dean Moore

2005-12-13 Thread Judy Taylor




True believers hear the voice of the Spirit when they 
miss it and they go to the throne of grace
to make things right. God doesn't use Nathans 
anymore and David only missed it in a big way
once, maybe twice. It is all going to be "shouted 
from the housetops" anyway and God knows.
so we don't need almost(s) and anti(s) 
pointingfingers on TT to help us along. Temptation is
not sin.

On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:00:27 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Speaking ONLY of expressions on TT, may I ask ALL 
  participants who have never sinned ON TT to identify themselves. IMO, NOT ONE 
  HAS NOT SINNED ON TT ALONE NEVER MIND THEIR LIVES APART FROM TT.
   
judyt 
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

The cats out of the bag: Christians Glory in the cross you dispise it since you are of those that the Bible says areENEMIES of the Cross whose END is DESTRUCTION! Galatians 6:14But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. Ph 3 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:Whose end is destruction,
whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)You are an example of those that mind earthly things such as your LUSTFUL MIND.What specifically is so WIERD here? Except for ENEMIES that is.On a hill far away stood an old rugged cross,The emblem of suffering and shame;And I love that old cross where the dearest and bestFor a world of lost sinners was slain. Refrain So Ill cherish the old rugged cross,Till my trophies at last I lay down;I will cling to the old rugged cross,And exchange it some day for a crown. O that old rugged cross, so despised by the world,Has a wondrous attraction for me;For the dear Lamb of God left His glory aboveTo bear it to
dark Calvary. Refrain In that old rugged cross, stained with blood so divine,A wondrous beauty I see,For twas on that old cross Jesus suffered and died,To pardon and sanctify me. Refrain To the old rugged cross I will ever be true;Its shame and reproach gladly bear;Then Hell call me some day to my home far away,Where His glory forever Ill share.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 12/12/2005 7:42:12 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of the best songs I ever heard was titled, âHe Loved Me with a Crossâ. izOne of the weirdest songs I ever heard was The Old Rugged Cross. It seemed to glorify the cross in a negative way. I doubt the Lord even to this day is overly fond of that old rugged cross. :) Blainerb

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I think that we have isolated the problem, Dave. You seem to be
thinking like the world instead of as a follower who has taken up the
cross and died to self.
Terry

Dave Hansen wrote:

  
  Those wearing one are sending a message that
they follow Christ. 
  
DAVEH: Unfortunately, they naively fail to understand the message
they are sending, IMHO. As I've explained before, the world
recognizes
the cross as a symbol of death. And for anybody familiar with the
historical meaning of what the cross did to our Savior, why they would
want to project a message of torture, suffering and deathis
simply incredible to me.

RE: [TruthTalk] Ursa Major and the North Star


Blaine,

  All constellations, indeed, all stars in the northern hemisphere appear 
to rotate around the north star. It truly is the rotation of the earth that 
gives that apparent rotation of the stars. Why is the Ursa Major being 
singled out?


Check out this photo...

http://courses.washington.edu/phy21456/chapter1_216complete_files/image005.jpg

Perry


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Subject: [TruthTalk] Ursa Major and the North Star
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:38:50 EST

Ursa Major,  Dictionary definition:

Ursa Major  (The Big  Dipper)
n : a constellation outside the  Zodiac that rotates around  the
North Star [syn: _Great  Bear_ (http://dict.die.net/great%20bear/) , Ursa
Major]



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Re: [TruthTalk] Almost(s) Anti(s)

Dave, and others, this topic has been banned, so please communicate 
privately on it.

From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Almost(s)  Anti(s)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:02:44 -0800

*Who specifically, are we talking about here?  Kevin?   :)*

DAVEH:   No...I don't think so, Blaine.  If anybody is hung up on 
sexual stuff, it seems like Dean gets particularly excited (that may not be 
the best word to describe the situation) when the topic is broached.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

*Who specifically, are we talking about here?  Kevin?   :)*
Blainerb
  In a message dated 12/12/2005 8:14:09 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Very perceptive on your part, Dean.  I have noticed this to be
patently true.  iz

Satan led people are always accuses others of the very
thing they are doing..

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Re: [TruthTalk] Inverted stars on LDS Temples





Is this sign actually located somewhere on or in the Mormon temple? I
would like an honest answer from someone who has been there and seen it.
Terry

Kevin Deegan wrote:

  Does the temple display Satanic stars?
  On has only to use the eyes God gave him, or he can shut his
eyes and avoid the obvious
  
  
  
  
  
  
  666

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evil





There have been freemasons since the tower of Babel, where it all
started.

Kevin Deegan wrote:

  There were freemasons at the founding of our goverment.
  
  http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_tapestra11.htm
  
  White house at bottom point
  
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  



"Universally
accepted symbol for Satan?"

What about the Congressional Medal of
Honor??? Please note the pentagrams, all pointing downward




  

  
  
  
  
  THE MEDAL
  OF HONOR
  


  
  The
highest award for valor in action against an enemy force which can be
bestowed upon an individual serving in the Armed Services of the United
States...  -- LEARN MORE
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  NEWS
  

  





In a message dated 12/12/2005 8:17:54 P.M. Mountain Standard
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Don't let your mind accept what your eyes see.
  It may look like the satanic star, it may have the same
proportions as the satanic Star. it may align with the satanic star in
every way if we overlay them,
  But it can not be a Satanic star since you say so.
  pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
  look this way  repeat after me "I know the church is
true"
  Avert your eyes look away that is not the universally
accepted symbol for Satan.
  repeat after me.
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  




What about the stars on the American flag?? five points.
I doubt they or the Mormon Temple builders even worry about what
direction the stars point


  



  
  
   
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[TruthTalk] Moderator comment


Dave,

  Please try to refrain from making sexual references, especially false 
accuastions. This is not the forum for that? I am sure there are many 
discussion forums about sex if that type of discussion interests you.


Perry



From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: [TruthTalk] Perry's Sexually Suggestive Comments
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:07:35 -0800

*If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! *

DAVEH:   I wonder if Dean is going to rebuke you for making such sexually 
suggestive comments, Perry!   If not, will we then have another example of 
hypocritical Christianity in TT?


Charles Perry Locke wrote:



Just be sure you remember your secret password and secret handshake so 
Joseph Smith will allow you entrance into heaven. *If lucky, you may 
become one of his many spirit wives! *



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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Signing off...
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:19:35 EST



I guess I never got to know you, Christine--but hope to meet you in the
great beyond--you may be required to testify at the Bar of God as to what 
you

have seen and heard on TT--
Blainerb

In a message dated 12/11/2005 11:24:52 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I am  signing off. I have gotten sucked into the world of TT, and I think 
it
would  be beneficial to my GPA to bid adeiu. Thanks for all the 
discussions. I

have  learned a great deal. May the Lord bless you and keep you all.

It  would be cool to meet you all in real life some day. But maybe not 
all in

the  same room. I wonder how that would turn out... :-)

-Christine  Miller



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Re: [TruthTalk] TRUE CHRISTIANS SAY NO TO SATAN BEFORE IT MANIFESTS INTO SIN - says Dean Moore





Lance Muir wrote:

  
  
  
  Speaking ONLY of expressions on TT,
may I ask ALL participants who have never sinned ON TT to identify
themselves. IMO, NOT ONE HAS NOT SINNED ON TT ALONE NEVER MIND THEIR
LIVES APART FROM TT.

DUH! How did you
figure that out? I can spot the sins in you other guys every
time you contribute.
Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] TRUE CHRISTIANS SAY NO TO SATAN BEFORE IT MANIFESTS INTO SIN - says Dean Moore




How, you ask, did I figure that out, Terry? The 
same way you did. ARE YOU, TERRY, UNAWARE, THAT SOME EXCLUDE THEMSELVES FROM 
THIS.?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Terry Clifton 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 13, 2005 09:17
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] TRUE CHRISTIANS 
  SAY NO TO SATAN BEFORE IT MANIFESTS INTO SIN - says Dean Moore
  Lance Muir wrote: 
  



Speaking ONLY of expressions on TT, may I ask 
ALL participants who have never sinned ON TT to identify themselves. IMO, 
NOT ONE HAS NOT SINNED ON TT ALONE NEVER MIND THEIR LIVES APART FROM 
TT.DUH! 
  How did you figure that out? I can spot the sins in you other 
  guys every time you 
contribute.Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] TRUE CHRISTIANS SAY NO TO SATAN BEFORE IT MANIFESTS INTO SIN - says Dean Moore





I suspect that you are correct. Sometimes it is hard to see ourselves
as others see us.

Lance Muir wrote:

  
  
  
  How, you ask, did I figure that out,
Terry? The same way you did. ARE YOU, TERRY, UNAWARE, THAT SOME EXCLUDE
THEMSELVES FROM THIS.?
  
-
Original Message - 
From:
Terry Clifton 
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent:
December 13, 2005 09:17
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] TRUE CHRISTIANS SAY NO TO SATAN BEFORE IT MANIFESTS
INTO SIN - says Dean Moore


Lance Muir wrote:

  
  
  Speaking ONLY of expressions on
TT, may I ask ALL participants who have never sinned ON TT to identify
themselves. IMO, NOT ONE HAS NOT SINNED ON TT ALONE NEVER MIND THEIR
LIVES APART FROM TT.

DUH! How did
you figure that out? I can spot the sins in you other guys
every time you contribute.
Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] TRUE CHRISTIANS SAY NO TO SATAN BEFORE IT MANIFESTS INTO SIN - says Dean Moore

EXATAMUNDO! I have long been mystified by such, 
Terry.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Terry Clifton 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: December 13, 2005 09:32
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] TRUE CHRISTIANS 
  SAY NO TO SATAN BEFORE IT MANIFESTS INTO SIN - says Dean Moore
  I suspect that you are correct. Sometimes it is hard to 
  see ourselves as others see us.Lance Muir wrote: 

How, you ask, did I figure that out, Terry? The 
same way you did. ARE YOU, TERRY, UNAWARE, THAT SOME EXCLUDE THEMSELVES FROM 
THIS.?

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Terry Clifton 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: 
  December 13, 2005 09:17
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] TRUE CHRISTIANS SAY NO TO SATAN BEFORE IT MANIFESTS INTO 
  SIN - says Dean Moore
  Lance Muir wrote: 

Speaking ONLY of expressions on TT, may I 
ask ALL participants who have never sinned ON TT to identify themselves. 
IMO, NOT ONE HAS NOT SINNED ON TT ALONE NEVER MIND THEIR LIVES APART 
FROM 
  TT.DUH! 
  How did you figure that out? I can spot the sins in you other 
  guys every time you 
  contribute.Terry

RE: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evil









I can actually read. And I believe in
knowing your enemy. iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005
6:05 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] LDS
Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evil















Blainerb: You seem to know a lot
more than I do about satanic pentagrams . . . where did you learn so
much? :)











In a message dated 12/12/2005 7:43:24
A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:





Thats different from a distored, upside down satantic pentagram.
iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005
11:45 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] LDS
Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evil















What about the stars on the American flag?? five points. I
doubt they or the Mormon Temple builders even worry about what direction
the stars point.

RE: [TruthTalk]









Jd, your lack of understanding of the Jews
is appalling, as demonstrated by every post you write about them. Why not try
learning about them instead of speculating out of thin air? Im talking
HUGE lack of understandingHUGE! iz











From:
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Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005
9:30 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]



















Probably no interest on this one, but I'll throw it out there anyway.











Isreal claims ancestrythrough Abraham to God. But
there wasno Israel
from thebeginning of earth's history to around 1600 BC or so.












The Egyptians had their own culture, religion and
mythology. The Jews really had no national identity at
all. If if if the Egyptians had incorporated these people
into their society in the early years, there would have been no Israel of God --- or, at the
very least, Egyptian mythology and culture would have survived in Israel.
But, the very fact of continued bondage IMO created an us
versus them psychology that prevented Israel
from being lost in the sea
 of Egyptian
nuance. 











Their escape from Egypt
was that of a people needing Divine help at the most basic
levels of national existence. . They had no law or national
structure. Their God of the past 400 years (of bondage) was a
God of tradition and little more. We are talking about 2 to 3
million people (so some assert) leaving Egypt
with absolutely no where to go, no way to survive militarily , a
culture of bondage and defeat as the National Story, And when they
got to the Red Sea, reality hit them
between the eyes. This defeatist attitude becomes a part of their
tradition and , perhaps, is an aspect of their repeated
rebellion. It is almost as if they are the Divine Stepchild and
they really don'tcare forthisidentiy.
Does this have anything to do with fact that do not approach God as
Father God ?? 











And what is Moses doing with the writing of Genesis if not collecting
the oral traditions in an effort at presenting Iseal (this brandnew
nation) with a history that it can claim as its own??? Perhaps he
begins with the Beginning because this was the perfect place to
start. .. contrasting the Egyptian
mythologies of the beginnings of man with an account of a sovereign God
and His creation. These Jews, freah out of Egypt,
most definitely knew of the Egyptian stories. The contrast would
have been startling. 











Whatever.











jd

RE: [TruthTalk] Cross









The blood of Christ is what prevails over
satan. Do you deny that? iz











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dave Hansen
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005
10:10 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross





DAVEH: I did not know that you believed in
vampires, Izzy. I was under the impression that vampires were contrived
by Hollywood in
order to suck money (rather than blood) from the pockets of those who naively
think vampires are at all bothered by the cross.

 Naturally, I'm anxious to see any Biblical evidence to
support your belief in this matter.




The Blood of Christ, shed on the Cross, prevails.


DAVEH: Is this a quote from a Hollywood
vampire film, Izzy???.So why would either Blaine or I cringe?

ShieldsFamily wrote: 

Vampires despise the cross also! Read this and cringe, Blaine and DaveH:The Blood of Christ, shed on the Cross, prevails. iz 





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RE: [TruthTalk] Cross












 
  
  
  
  
  THE OLD RUGGED CROSS 
  
  
  
  
 




On a
hill far away stood an old rugged cross,
The emblem of suffering and shame;
And I love that old cross where the dearest and best
For a world of lost sinners was slain.

So I'll
cherish the old rugged cross,
Till my trophies at last I lay down;
I will cling to the old rugged cross,
And exchange it some day for a crown.

O that
old rugged cross, so despised by the world,
Has a wondrous attraction for me;
For the dear Lamb of God left His glory above
To bear it to dark Calvary.

So I'll
cherish the old rugged cross,
Till my trophies at last I lay down;
I will cling to the old rugged cross,
And exchange it some day for a crown.

In that
old rugged cross, stained with blood so divine,
A wondrous beauty I see,
For 'twas on that old cross Jesus suffered and died,
To pardon and sanctify me.

So I'll
cherish the old rugged cross,
Till my trophies at last I lay down;
I will cling to the old rugged cross,
And exchange it some day for a crown.

To the
old rugged cross I will ever be true;
Its shame and reproach gladly bear;
Then He'll call me some day to my home far away,
Where His glory forever I'll share.

So I'll
cherish the old rugged cross,
Till my trophies at last I lay down;
I will cling to the old rugged cross,
And exchange it some day for a crown.

Yes, a lost person would think that those
lyrics are weird, indeed. iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005
10:11 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross









In a message dated 12/12/2005 7:42:12
A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:





One of the best songs I ever heard was
titled, He Loved Me with a Cross. iz







One of the weirdest songs I ever heard
was The Old Rugged
Cross. It seemed to glorify the cross in a
negative way. I doubt the Lord even to this day is overly fond of that
old rugged cross. :)





Blainerb

RE: [TruthTalk] TRUE CHRISTIANS SAY NO TO SATAN BEFORE IT MANIFESTS INTO SIN - says Dean Moore









Lance, shall we make you the judge of
that, or the Lord? iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005
7:00 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: [TruthTalk] TRUE
CHRISTIANS SAY NO TO SATAN BEFORE IT MANIFESTS INTO SIN - says Dean Moore







Speaking ONLY of expressions on TT, may I ask ALL
participants who have never sinned ON TT to identify themselves. IMO, NOT ONE
HAS NOT SINNED ON TT ALONE NEVER MIND THEIR LIVES APART FROM TT.

Re: [TruthTalk] TRUE CHRISTIANS SAY NO TO SATAN BEFORE IT MANIFESTS INTO SIN - says Dean Moore

Hmm, let me think on it, Iz.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: December 13, 2005 10:01
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] TRUE CHRISTIANS 
  SAY NO TO SATAN BEFORE IT MANIFESTS INTO SIN - says Dean Moore

  Lance, shall we make 
  you the judge of that, or the Lord? iz

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:00 
  AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] TRUE CHRISTIANS SAY 
  NO TO SATAN BEFORE IT MANIFESTS INTO SIN - says Dean 
  Moore

  Speaking ONLY of expressions on 
  TT, may I ask ALL participants who have never sinned ON TT to identify 
  themselves. IMO, NOT ONE HAS NOT SINNED ON TT ALONE NEVER MIND THEIR LIVES 
  APART FROM 
TT.

[TruthTalk] Christian Hypocrisy on TT

2005-12-13 Thread Dave Hansen





Dave, and others, this topic has been banned, so please communicate
privately on it.


DAVEH: ??? Nonsense!!! What are you talking about, Perry? I do
not recall any such ban.  A few days ago, Blaine made a comment
regarding the appearance of a lady in leather which Dean apparently
perceived as being lustfully charged. Dean castigated him, accusing
him (and other Mormons, if I remember correctly) of having lustful
thoughts. He made a similar charge a several months ago about me, in
reference to mention I made regarding Izzy shopping for underwear quite
some time ago. Now this is a guy who seemed to have no problem
publicly discussing my (LDS) underwear on TTso I've got to ask
why the double standard???

 If Dean wants to discuss what he perceives as a sexual problem with
LDS TTers, and I merely recognize that his comment

 Satan led people are always accuses others of the very

 thing they are doing..


might be appropriately attributed to himself when he draws such
implicating conclusions.then why is this topic off limits? Is
this just another example of Christian hypocrisy on TT???

Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave, and others, this topic has been banned, so please
communicate privately on it.
  
  
  
  From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Almost(s)  Anti(s)

Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:02:44 -0800


*Who specifically, are we talking about here? Kevin? :)*


DAVEH: No...I don't think so, Blaine. If anybody is hung up on
sexual stuff, it seems like Dean gets particularly excited (that may
not be the best word to describe the situation) when the topic is
broached.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


*Who specifically, are we talking about
here? Kevin? :)*
  
Blainerb
  
 In a message dated 12/12/2005 8:14:09 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
  
 Very perceptive on your part, Dean. I have noticed this to be
  
 patently true. iz
  


  
  
 Satan led people are always accuses others of the very
  
 thing they are doing..
  
  
  



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Re: [TruthTalk] Moderator comment

2005-12-13 Thread Dave Hansen





 Please try to refrain from making sexual references,
especially false accuastions.

DAVEH: Let's see if I understand this, Perry. Recently I asked some
questions that were no more sexually oriented than what you commonly
make, Dean then claimed foul..and you banned further discussion
based on the perception you and Dean had about what those
comments might have implied. 

 Now you have made a comment that can be perceived to be sexually
charged..

If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! 

..and you don't want to recognize the double standard? It is
interesting that when you or other TTers make any kind of denigrating
remarks toward LDS theology with sexual implications, nothing is
considered off limits. When I point out this obvious double standard,
I am cautioned by the moderator to refrain from bringing the
discussion to the TT table under the guise of making false
accusations. It must be convenient to have a moderator who can see
non-LDS posters through one non-judgmental eye, and perceive a
completely different perspective of LDS posters through the other, more
critical eye. I suppose if one has an ax to grind against LDS
theology, and is not embarrassed to publicly admit suchthen it
should not surprise anybody to find that person practicing a double
standard. The curious part about this is that it happens on a forum
called TruthTalk, where truth is presupposed to be the
dominating factor, yet it seems to be suppressed when it comes to
recognizing the Christian hypocrisy found here.

Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave,
  
  
   Please try to refrain from making sexual references,
especially false accuastions. This is not the forum for
that? I am sure there are many discussion forums about sex if that type
of discussion interests you.
  
  
Perry
  
  
  
  From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Subject: [TruthTalk] Perry's Sexually Suggestive Comments

Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:07:35 -0800


*If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! *


DAVEH: I wonder if Dean is going to rebuke you for making such
sexually suggestive comments, Perry! If not, will we then have
another example of hypocritical Christianity in TT?


Charles Perry Locke wrote:



Just be sure you remember your secret password and secret handshake so
Joseph Smith will allow you entrance into heaven. *If lucky, you may
become one of his many spirit wives! *
  
  
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Signing off...

Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:19:35 EST




I guess I never got to know you, Christine--but hope to meet you in the

great beyond--you may be required to testify at the Bar of God as to
what you

have seen and heard on TT--

Blainerb


In a message dated 12/11/2005 11:24:52 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


I am signing off. I have gotten sucked into the world of TT, and I
think it

would be beneficial to my GPA to bid adeiu. Thanks for all the
discussions. I

have learned a great deal. May the Lord bless you and keep you all.


It would be cool to meet you all in real life some day. But maybe not
all in

the same room. I wonder how that would turn out... :-)


-Christine Miller


  


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Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-13 Thread knpraise

Yes ! and , by the way, DH, your assessment of the world's point of view on this is neither accurate or relevant.

and this statementborders on insulting:
One of the weirdest songs I ever heard was The Old Rugged Cross. It seemed to glorify the cross in a negative way. I doubt the Lord even to this day is overly fond of that old rugged cross. :)
Blainerb

I have to say something here -- both of you have made it clear (and I am not angry , by the way) that your stay here on TT has given you nothing in terms of reason for crossing over. Well, consider your failure in this regard, as well. With asmuchvariety as exists here amongst us Christians, you would think someone would consider the Mormon religion.But this latest discussion, while revealing, would surely close the door to any serious student of the Bible. To put down "death" and the "cross" is to simply miss the point of the life of Christ here on this earth .. and miss the mark by a wide margin !!!

-- Original message -- From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think that we have isolated the problem, Dave. You seem to be thinking like the world instead of as a follower who has taken up the cross and died to self.TerryDave Hansen wrote:
Those wearing one are sending a message that they follow Christ. DAVEH: Unfortunately, they naively fail to understand the message they are sending, IMHO. As I've explained before, the world recognizes the cross as a symbol of death. And for anybody familiar with the historical meaning of what the cross did to our Savior, why they would want to project a message of torture, suffering and death.is simply incredible to me.

Re: [TruthTalk] Inverted stars on LDS Temples

2005-12-13 Thread Dave Hansen





DAVEH: I have not seen it, Terry. Nor have I even heard of it until
now.

Terry Clifton wrote:

  
  
Is this sign actually located somewhere on or in the Mormon temple? I
would like an honest answer from someone who has been there and seen it.
Terry
  
Kevin Deegan wrote:
  
Does the temple display Satanic stars?
On has only to use the eyes God gave him, or he can shut his
eyes and avoid the obvious






666






  
  


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Re: [TruthTalk] TRUE CHRISTIANS SAY NO TO SATAN BEFORE IT MANIFESTS INTO SIN - says Dean Moore

2005-12-13 Thread knpraise


I Jo 1:8; Ro 3:23
-- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 







Hmm, let me think on it, Iz.

- Original Message - 
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
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Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] TRUE CHRISTIANS SAY NO TO SATAN BEFORE IT MANIFESTS INTO SIN - says Dean Moore


Lance, shall we make you the judge of that, or the Lord? iz





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:00 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] TRUE CHRISTIANS SAY NO TO SATAN BEFORE IT MANIFESTS INTO SIN - says Dean Moore


Speaking ONLY of expressions on TT, may I ask ALL participants who have never sinned ON TT to identify themselves. IMO, NOT ONE HAS NOT SINNED ON TT ALONE NEVER MIND THEIR LIVES APART FROM TT.

Re: [TruthTalk]

It might benefit us all, Iz, if you would point out the error in John's
thinking. Not all of us have the benefit of a close relationship with
a Jewish believer. None of the jewish guys I ever knew or worked with
were anything that would please the Lord.
Terry

ShieldsFamily wrote:

Jd, your
lack of understanding of the Jews
is appalling, as demonstrated by every post you write about them. Why
not try
learning about them instead of speculating out of thin air? Im talking
HUGE lack of understandingHUGE! iz

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12, 2005
9:30 PM
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Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk]

Probably no interest on this one, but I'll
throw it out there anyway.

Isreal claims ancestrythrough Abraham to
God. But
there wasno Israel
from thebeginning of earth's history to around 1600 BC or so.

The Egyptians had their own culture, religion
and
mythology. The Jews really had no national identity at
all. If if if the Egyptians had incorporated these people
into their society in the early years, there would have been no Israel of God --- or, at the
very least, Egyptian mythology and culture would have survived in Israel.
But, the very fact of continued bondage IMO created an "us
versus them" psychology that prevented Israel
from being lost in the sea
of Egyptian
nuance.

Their escape from Egypt
was that of a people needing Divine help at the most basic
levels of national existence. . They had no law or national
structure. Their God of the past 400 years (of bondage) was a
God of tradition and little more. We are talking about 2 to 3
million people (so some assert) leaving Egypt
with absolutely no where to go, no way to survive militarily , a
culture of bondage and defeat as the National Story, And when they
got to the Red Sea, reality hit them
between the eyes. This defeatist attitude becomes a part of their
tradition and , perhaps, is an aspect of their repeated
rebellion. It is almost as if they are the Divine Stepchild and
they really don'tcare forthisidentiy.
Does this have anything to do with fact that do not approach God as
"Father God" ??

And what is Moses doing with the writing of
Genesis if not collecting
the oral traditions in an effort at presenting Iseal (this brandnew
nation) with a history that it can claim as its own??? Perhaps he
begins with the Beginning because this was the perfect place to
start. .. contrasting the Egyptian
mythologies of the beginnings of man with an account of a sovereign
God
and His creation. These Jews, freah out of Egypt,
most definitely knew of the Egyptian stories. The contrast would
have been startling.

Whatever.

[TruthTalk] DAVE HANSEN COMMENTS 'OLD RUGGED CROSS' WIERD, NEGATIVE, LORD NOT FOND OF ..




UNANIMITY!. Dave, you've just brought all of 
together over this one issue! What you've said misrepresents the Lord, us and, 
the entire history of Christianity!!

Please apologize,

Lance

Re: [TruthTalk] Congressional Medal of Honor--inverted pentagram

The US Military is not the SOURCE of ALL Truth nor the RESTORATION of such.As the conduit of Truth for all men of what significance are Inverted Pentagrams on the LDS Temples?Why did the symbology of the OT Jewish Temple point at ALL Times to a SACRIFICE?  Where are the "star symbols" on the temple talked about in the Bible? Chap Verse?Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Three different United States Medals of Honor currently exist, one each for the Army, Navy, and Air Force.Blainerb: According to Kevin, the Medals of Honor shown here should be classified as symbols of Satanism, since they are inverted pentagrams!!!  
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Temple projecting evil

The Christus room in the North visitors center SLCChurch History Museum Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  the same Star plastered ALL Over the Salt Lake temple as the one on the front cover of the Satanic BibleDAVEH: I just googled images looking for that and did not see it, Kevin. Can you give me a URL (or post an image) for what you are talking about.Kevin Deegan wrote: Really don't you worry about it at all  It is probably not important that you have the same Star plastered ALL Over the Salt Lake temple as the one on the front cover of the Satanic Bible  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  In a message dated 12/11/2005 11:24:28 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  In symbolism, especially masonic symbolism, from which the mormon stuff was takenIt was never "taken" from Masonic symbols--you are attaching WAAAY too much significance to a star on a wall--what you come across as doing is Grabbing At Straws!!--   ~~~  Dave Hansen  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://www.langlitz.com  ~~~  If you wish to receive  things I find interesting,  I maintain six email lists...  JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,  STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.  
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

Then why put them on the "House of the lord"?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you ever see folks put the Inverted Star on their tombsDAVEH: No.stars are not the recognized symbol of death that the cross implies, Kevin. Sothere is no reason to see stars on tombs, unless the person buried there happened to be an astronomer, or perhaps liked stars from an artistic perspective.Kevin Deegan wrote: You note you see crosses on Tombs. I was wondering, do you ever see folks put the Inverted Star on their tombs? The one Satanists call the cloven hoof of Statan, which is on your Temples. From: Dave HansenSubject: [TruthTalk] CrossDate: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:15:17 -0800*/What does the CROSS "REPRESENT"/*DAVEH: I hope you don't mind me intruding on your discussion with Blaine, Kevin. This topic is of particular interest to me, as I've seen quite a few crosses at the sides of highways I travel. Quite often, they indicate places where people have died, or in the case of cemeteries.where they are buried.In the past couple thousand years, many Christians have idolized the cross to depict the death of Jesuswhich to me seems rather bizarre to meif not macabre. Some Christians have taken to wearing jewelery, and displaying crosses in their abodes and places of
worship..As I see it, those crosses depict the *cruel tool* used to bring not only much pain and suffering to our beloved Savior, but also the devicethat was used by God's enemies to kill our Lord. This inhumane instrument was designed not only to kill God's children, but at the same time to punitively torture them in a humiliating and degrading way. It always amazes me that some Christians would have such an affinity to such a devilish device that brings pain, suffering and death to the minds of many who see it, and especially to those who were victims of it. I'm curious as to how you wou ld feel about something similar, Kevin. Idon't know if you have any children, but for the sake of this discussion let's assume you do. If your enemy were to maliciously use a knife to torture your daughter for a couple days to the point that the
wounds killedher, would you be predisposed to wear a piece of jewelry on a chain around your neck in the form of a knife to remind you of what the guy did to your daughter? And, how would you feel if you drove by a gun knife store, andsaw a sign depicting knives that looked similar to the one that killed yourdaughter..Would it bring back fond memories? LDS folks appreciate the dying sacrifice of our Lord in our behalf. But we don't glorify the tool that killed him. It sickens me to think of man's inhumanity that would bring such pain, suffering and death to one whodid not deserve it. Nor do we idolize the cros s as do so many others. Rather, we prefer to remember his sacrifice and glorify his Father---not the cross--- for the resurrection of his Son. FWIW.We have a large Christian church near us that a few years ago put 3 large
prominent crosses on their building that are lit up at night with blue lights that are very noticeable to the cars passing by on the freewayhttp://www.rollinghills.org/about_us/campus/index.cfm..This picture really doesn't show them very well compared to the cars on the freeway, as it is taken from the wrong angle and at quite a distance. I have sometimes wondered if Jesus were to travel that road, what would he think if he were to pass such an edifice that memorializes his death in such a manner. I wouldn't be surprised if he would wince at such a sight. And..It bothers me to think that some would pain him insuch a callous way.Kevin Deegan wrote:Exactly they bought into the counterfeit.*How art thou _fallen from
heaven_, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how artthou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hastsaid in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will _exalt my throne above the stars_ of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:...**Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.* *North Star*, which represents *Jesus Christ. * */What does the CROSS "REPRESENT" Blaine? /*--~~~Dave Hansen[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.langlitz.com~~~If you wish to receivethings I find interesting,I maintain six emai l lists...JOKESTER, OPINIONS,
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Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evil

There maybe some that are not 5 pointed I am not sure that there is a Total absence of any other than 5 POINTEDstars  Could you post one that is not a pentagram and what Temple is it on?Nauvoo Temple PENTAGRAM Window casement  All the 5 pointed stars are either ONE point up or One point down as in the Inverted pentagram or CLOVEN HOOF of Satan!  Some are Elongated DOWN NONE are Elongated up![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Wrong Kevin, Satanic stars are ALL inverted. The ones on the temple are not all inverted, but scattered in different positions to give variety.In a message dated 12/12/2005 9:39:36 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  the same Star plastered ALL Over the Salt Lake temple as the one on the front cover of the Satanic BibleDAVEH: I just googled images looking for that and did not see it, Kevin. Can you give me a URL (or post an image) for what you are talking about.Kevin Deegan wrote:  
   Really don't you worry about it at all  It is probably not important that you have the same Star plastered ALL Over the Salt Lake temple as the one on the front cover of the Satanic Bible  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  In a message dated 12/11/2005 11:24:28 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  In symbolism, especially masonic symbolism, from which the mormon stuff was takenIt was never "taken" from Masonic symbols--you are attaching WAAAY too much significance to a star on a wall--what you come across as doing is Grabbing At Straws!!
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] Congressional Medal of Honor--inverted pentagram

  What business is this on a "Religious building"?  The KaBAAListic occult secrets abound within  without the Temple and Mormonism.  555 "In the science of magic the pentalpha is called the holy and Mysterious pentagram. ...the pentagram in the star of Magians; ...by virtue of the number five, it has great command over evil spirits because of its five double triangles and its five
 acute angles within and its five obtuse angles without, so that this interior pentangle contains in it many great mysteries." (Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, pp.762-763.)  The fact that the US Gov't uses such is IRRELEVANT!  They do not claim to be the Guardians or Conduit of the TRUTH  Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  DAVEH: Blaine.it is not nice for you to point out the double standards of hypocritical Christians. That is my job! ;-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Three different United States Medals of Honor currently exist, one
 each for the Army, Navy, and Air Force.Blainerb: According to Kevin, the Medals of Honor shown here should be classified as symbols of Satanism, since they are inverted pentagrams!!!--   ~~~  Dave Hansen  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://www.langlitz.com  ~~~  If you wish to receive  things I find interesting,  I maintain six email lists...  JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,  STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.  
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] Almost(s) Anti(s)

Refer to the original posts  You were the one excited about leather.Besides I think you just UNDERLINED CD's point and put an EXCLAMATION at the end of Izzy's[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Who specifically, are we talking about here? Kevin? :)  Blainerb  In a message dated 12/12/2005 8:14:09 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  Very perceptive on your part, Dean. I have noticed this to be patently true. izSatan led people are always accuses others of the very thingtheyare doing..  
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

You act like a guilty man trying to hedge since his wife smelled perfume on his collar! or explain away a mysterious note in his pocket. The use of this symbol by some who are not wise to its Satanic meaning is IRRELEVANT. MORMONISM is like "Masonry, like all the religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled, to conceal the Truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it." AFA a organization that professes to hold ALL TRUTH, why would they use the symbol used thru the ages to signify the BLACK Magic of Satan? And yes they call it the Cloven Hoof of Satan When walking on a trail it does not
upset me to come upon deer prints. It does upset me to see bears prints because there may be a bear staright ahead! Satan left his foot prints all over your Religion for those who have eyes to see!JOE WAS A DIVINER and user of the ROD Jer 27 Therefore hearken not ye to your prophets, nor to your diviners, nor to your dreamers, nor to your enchanters, nor to your sorcerers, which speak unto you, saying, Ye shall not serve the king of Babylon: http://www.saintswithouthalos.com/s/dc_8.phtml (Changed for obvious reasons in DC 34 )BC 7:3 Now this is not all, thy gift; for you have another gift, which is the gift of working with the rod "The pentacle (pentagram), the five-pointed figure, contained mystic symbols, used especially in divination and the conjuration of spirits. The pentalpha, a design formed by interlacing five A's was also in similar use. To summon demonic help, the pentagram was fashioned: a five-pointed geometric figure." "circled pentagram for white magic occult work; inverted pentagram for black magic rituals." JOE WORE A TALISMAN The "inverted pentagram is the most powerful of all Occultic talismans . . . It is alleged that it is more powerful than the Cross . . . " We are told that the inverted pentagram is "a sign for evil."
"Celtic priests called it (the pentagram) the witch's foot. In the Middle Ages it became known in Britain and elsewhere in Europe as the goblin's cross, devil's sign, and the wizard's star. Among the druids of Great Britain, it was the blasphemous sign of the Godhead." Manly P. Hall, an occultist, points out that the, " . . . pentagram is used extensively in black magic, but when so used its form always differs in one of three ways: The star may be broken at one point by not permitting the converging line to touch; it may be inverted by having one point down and two up; or it may be distorted by having the points of varying length. When used in black magic, the pentagram is called 'the sign of the cloven hoof' or the footprint of the devil. The star with two points
upward IS ALSO called the 'Goat of Mendes,' because the inverted star is the same shape as a goat's head. When the upright star turns and the upper point falls to the bottom, it signifies the fall of the morning star." As stated, the pentagram can be drawn with one point down or two points down. Witches, Satanists and Masons all use this symbol! Satanists the world over use the pentagram with one point down, and witches use the pentagram with two points down. Gary Jennings, in his book, "Black Magic, White Magic," reveals that: "the most powerful and respected of all magical symbols was the pentagram, the figure of five sides and five angles . . . The belief was that if this figure were drawn with a single angle . . . pointing down, the sign represented Satan and thus was used for invoking evil spirits." Max Wood states: "If you are a member of the Satanist Church, you wear one (a Pentagram). With this in
mind, I was intrigued when I discovered that the Eastern Star (a Masonic organization composed of third degree Masons and women relatives of third degree Masons) uses the Pentagram with the one point down, the same symbol that the Satanists use! The Mystic Shrine (another Masonic group composed only of Masons who have advanced to the 32nd degree) also uses a Pentagram with one point down as its symbol. C.J.S. Thompson, in The Mysteries and Secrets of Magic, mentions that in India the pentacle 'is the symbol of Siva and Brahman' and Siva (or Shiva) is another name for Satan, so the pentacle (or Pentagram) is one of Satan's symbols. It's no wonder then that Satanists use it." Dick Sutphen, an openly confessed New Ager, uses the pentacle in his magical rituals. He confirms that the "pentacle (or Pentagram) holds an important place in ritual magic." and that the, " . . . history of man is the history of magic, and it has been practiced from earliest times
through Druidism, the Magi, the Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Jews, Knights Templar (a Masonic organ), Order of the Golden Dawn and in various organizations right up to the present." Sutphen lists many groups that are

Re: [TruthTalk] Moderator comment

Dave, lets take this offline, okay?

From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment **
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:29:32 -0800

*  Please try to /refrain /from making sexual references, especially /false 
accuastions/.*

DAVEH:   Let's see if I understand this, Perry.  Recently I asked some 
questions that were no more sexually oriented than what you commonly make, 
Dean then claimed foul..and you banned further discussion based on the 
/perception /you and Dean had about what those comments might have implied.

   Now you have made a comment that can be perceived to be sexually 
charged..

*If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! *

..and you don't want to recognize the double standard?  It is 
interesting that when you or other TTers make any kind of denigrating 
remarks toward LDS theology with sexual implications, nothing is considered 
off limits.  When I point out this obvious double standard, I am cautioned 
by the moderator to /refrain /from bringing the discussion to the TT table 
under the guise of making/ false accusations/.  It must be convenient to 
have a moderator who can see non-LDS posters through one non-judgmental 
eye, and perceive a completely different perspective of LDS posters through 
the other, more critical eye.  I suppose if one has an ax to grind against 
LDS theology, and is not embarrassed to publicly admit suchthen it 
should not surprise anybody to find that person practicing a double 
standard.  The curious part about this is that it happens on a forum called 
/TruthTalk/, where /truth /is presupposed to be the dominating factor, yet 
it seems to be suppressed when it comes to recognizing the Christian 
hypocrisy found here.

Charles Perry Locke wrote:

Dave,

*  Please try to /refrain /from making sexual references, especially 
/false accuastions/.* This is not the forum for that? I am sure there are 
many discussion forums about sex if that type of discussion interests you.

Perry

From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: [TruthTalk] Perry's Sexually Suggestive Comments
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:07:35 -0800

**If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! **

DAVEH:   I wonder if Dean is going to rebuke you for making such sexually 
suggestive comments, Perry!   If not, will we then have another example 
of hypocritical Christianity in TT?

Charles Perry Locke wrote:

Just be sure you remember your secret password and secret handshake so 
Joseph Smith will allow you entrance into heaven. *If lucky, you may 
become one of his many spirit wives! *

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Signing off...
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:19:35 EST

I guess I never got to know you, Christine--but hope to meet you in the
great beyond--you may be required to testify at the Bar of God as to 
what you

have seen and heard on TT--
Blainerb

In a message dated 12/11/2005 11:24:52 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I am  signing off. I have gotten sucked into the world of TT, and I 
think it
would  be beneficial to my GPA to bid adeiu. Thanks for all the 
discussions. I

have  learned a great deal. May the Lord bless you and keep you all.

It  would be cool to meet you all in real life some day. But maybe not 
all in

the  same room. I wonder how that would turn out... :-)

-Christine  Miller

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Re: [TruthTalk] Perry's Sexually Suggestive Comments

Sexually suggestive? are you now admitting your god has sex with mortal women?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! DAVEH: I wonder if Dean is going to rebuke you for making such sexually suggestive comments, Perry! If not, will we then have another example of hypocritical Christianity in TT?Charles Perry Locke wrote: Just be sure you remember your secret password and secret handshake so Joseph Smith will allow you entrance into heaven. If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Signing off... Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:19:35 EST I guess I never got to know you, Christine--but hope to meet you in the great beyond--you may be required to testify at the Bar of God as to what you have seen and heard on TT-- Blainerb In a message dated 12/11/2005 11:24:52 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am signing off. I have gotten sucked into the world of TT, and I think it would be beneficial to my GPA to bid adeiu. Thanks for all the discussions. I have learned a great deal. May the Lord bless you and keep you all. It would be cool to meet
you all in real life some day. But maybe not all in the same room. I wonder how that would turn out... :-) -Christine Miller -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.

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Re: [TruthTalk] Almost(s) Anti(s)

Satan led people are always accuses others of the very thingtheyare doing..There you guys go proving Deans point Sexuality has no part in worship EXCEPT if one takes part in the RESTORATION of Pagan Canaanite BAAL Worship or it's modern RESTORATION.
Mormonism is all about SEX see DC 132 So was joe BTW In a court affidavit, faithful Mormon Joseph Noble wrote that Joseph told him he had spent the night with Louisa Beaman. (Temple Lot Case, 427) Emily D. Partridge (Smith Young) said she "roomed" with Joseph the night following her marriage to him and said that she had "carnal intercourse" with him. (Temple Lot case (complete transcript), 364, 367, 384; see Foster, Religion and Sexuality, 15.) Smith stayed with Almera "as man and wife" and "occupied the same room and bed with my sister, that the previous month he had occupied with the daughter of the late Bishop Partridge as his wife." Zimmerman, I Knew the Prophets, 44. See also "The Origin of Plural Marriage, Joseph F. Smith, Jr., Deseret News Press, page 70-71The older he got the more PERVERTED
he became and as a 37 year OLD Man took a 14 year old GIRL Helen Mar Kimball in the next year he picked up one 15 and 2 more 16 year olds."Beginning in 1841, Joseph Smith took as plural wives several married women, as if exercising a variant of the feudal droit du seigneur: a king's right to the brides in his domain. This option was presented to the married woman as a favor to her. A woman who wanted higher status in the celestial kingdom could choose to leave a husband with lower status in the church, even if she had been sealed to him, and become sealed to a man higher in authority. "On October 27, 1841, Smith was married for eternity to Zina D. Huntington, Henry B. Jacob's wife... On December 11, 1841, the prophet married Zina's sister, Prescindai Huntington, who had been married to Norman Buell
for fourteen years and remained married to Buell until 1846. Prescindia then left Buell and married Heber C. Kimball 'for time,' that is until the end of her life. In the afterlife, 'for eternity,' she would revert to Joseph Smith."Smith married Mary Elizabeth Rollins Lightner in February 1842, when she was already married... Apparently, Smith had planned to marry her long before her marriage to Adam Lightner... After her celestial marriage to Joseph, Mary lived with Adam Lightner until his death in Utah... In April 1842, two months after the Lightner ceremony, Nancy Marinda Johnson married Joseph Smith while her husband, Orson Hyde, was on a mission to Jerusalem." (Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, Spring 1994, pages 10-11) On February 19, 1954, Jedediah M. Grant, second
counselor to President Brigham Young delivered a sermon that made it very plain that Joseph Smith did ask for other men's wives: "What would a man of God say, who felt aright, when Joseph asked him for his money? He would say, 'Yes, and I wish I had more to help to build up the kingdom of God.' Or if he came and said, 'I want your wife?' 'O yes,' he would say, 'here she is, there are plenty more.'... Did the Prophet Joseph want every man's wife he asked for? He did not... If such a man of God should come to me and say, 'I want your gold and silver, or your wives,' I should say, 'Here they are, I wish I had more to give you, take all I have got." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 2, page 14) Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who specifically, are we talking about here? Kevin? :)DAVEH: No...I don't think so, Blaine. If anybody is hung up on sexual stuff, it seems like Dean gets particularly excited (that may not be the best word to describe the situation) when the topic is broached.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who specifically, are we talking about here? Kevin? :) Blainerb In a message dated 12/12/2005 8:14:09 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Very perceptive on your part, Dean. I have noticed this to be patently true. izSatan led people are always accuses others of the very thingtheyare doing.. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.

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Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

RLDS Temple Could this be the Jedi temple? From the outside, the Jedi Temple appears as a high-raised ziggurat building in a stepped design, with five spires built on top, one taller spire
surrounded by four smaller ones. These spires symbolize a Jedi's climb to enlightenment.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DH, I am surprised at your comments against the cross. Is your thinking the reason why you folks have a stick atop your buildings rather than a cross? jd-- Original message -- From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Christ did not tell us to take up a borrowed tomb, Dave. We are told to take up our cross.DAVEH: Of course not, Terry. The tomb was a place of refuge or even a sanctuary, if anything. Jesus told us we would have to bear the burdens of the world, but we could find life in him, and our burdens would be lifted! Trust me, Terrythe cross was a burden for Jesus to carry. We are just lucky (a dirty word in this forum)
that we are not required (which is what that verse would mean as understood by most Christians) to carry a burden anywhere near as heavy as the one he bore. To understand that passage to mean that the cross is a good symbol that should be embraced by Christians is simply ignoring the real message of that verse.Those wearing one are sending a message that they follow Christ. DAVEH: Unfortunately, they naively fail to understand the message they are sending, IMHO. As I've explained before, the world recognizes the cross as a symbol of death. And for anybody familiar with the historical meaning of what the cross did to our Savior, why they would want to project a message of torture, suffering and deathis simply incredible to me.Those with one marking their grave are saying the same thing.DAVEH: Huh!?!?!?! Are you serious, Terry??? Is that what many Christians believe? If so, you are going to have a big problem with the ACLU due to such an
attitude. Don't get me wrongI'm no supporter of the ACLU. But if that is how Christians understand the crosses at cemeteries like the one of Normandy graves I posted a few days ago, it is just going to fuel the fire to the enemies of Christianity who will want all those crosses removed, as there are many buried beneath them that were not Christians. I respectfully request that you rethink your position on that one, Terry.This, of course, is not always true, but that cannot be helpedDAVEH: If Christians try to impose their thinking (such as yours, Terry), it will be helped by enemies of Christianity. They will simply seek to remove all the crosses at such cemeteries as the one above, and have good cause to do so given the beliefs harbored by many Christians as yourself.They are as screwed up as the Mormons.DAVEH: I can only assume you are referring to Blaine, and not me.. ;-) Terry Clifton wrote: Christ did not tell us to
take up a borrowed tomb, Dave. We are told to take up our cross. Those wearing one are sending a messsage that they follow Christ. Those with one marking their grave are saying the same thing. This, of course, is not always true, but that cannot be helped. Anything good will always be faked.To answer your other question, I criticize almost every thing about the Catholic religion. They are as screwed up as the Mormons. Don't even try to understand. It would be a waste of time. IMO, of course, and that is a shame.TerryDave Hansen wrote: The cross, like the tomb, is empty.DAVEH: So why don't Christians hang a symbol of the tomb (stone) around their neck or decorate their edifices with something less representative of the tools of God's enemies? As I see it, the tomb was at least a sacred place, where Jesus' friends were relatively comfortable. It was also a place where they cared for Jesus' body, and near where Mary first saw the resurrected Christ. To me,
it would be far more significant than the instrument that brought such pain, misery and death to our Lord. I just don't understand why anybody would glorify something that was glorified by the enemies of Jesus.BTW.Do you criticize the RCC practice of idolizing/memorializing the crucifix? I don't see much distinction between what they do, and what most non Catholic Christians do in their glorification of the cross. Just because one depicts the actual usage of the cross to bring pain and death to our Savior isn't much different to me than a cross that remained after Jesus was killed and hauled off to the tomb. I think you are missing something important hereDAVEH: No Terry.I don't think I'm missing anything, Terry. Lest you forget, Christ arose from the tombnot the cross.Terry Clifton wrote: I think you are missing something important here Dave. The cross, like the tomb, is empty. Jesus won the victory (for us). The only
people who still have Him on the cross are Catholics. We "Protestants" celebrate an empty cross. The one we deserved was occupied by another, but, Praise God, no more.

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

what the cross did to our Savior, why they would want to project a message of torture, suffering and deathis simply incredible to me.  That is the "message"  That was the PRICE for YOUR SIN  Your repentance can never pay that price!  The wages of SIN is DEATH that is the Price you can not pay You are Bankrupt  Lost in your Tresspasses  SinTerry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I think that we have isolated the problem, Dave. You seem to be thinking like the world instead of as a follower who has taken up the cross and died to self.TerryDave Hansen wrote:   Those wearing one are sending a message that they follow Christ.
 DAVEH: Unfortunately, they naively fail to understand the message they are sending, IMHO. As I've explained before, the world recognizes the cross as a symbol of death. And for anybody familiar with the historical meaning of what the cross did to our Savior, why they would want to project a message of torture, suffering and deathis simply incredible to me.  
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evil

Right so Blaines argument states thatbecause their symbols can be found elsewhere it is OK to put them on the temple.BTW there are many Masonic influences in MormonismTerry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There have been freemasons since the tower of Babel, where it all started.Kevin Deegan wrote: There were freemasons at the founding of our goverment.http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_tapestra11.htmWhite house at bottom point [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:"Universally accepted symbol for Satan?"What about the Congressional Medal of Honor??? Please note the pentagrams, all pointing downwardTHE MEDALOF HONOR The highest award for valor in action against an enemy
force which can be bestowed upon an individual serving in the Armed Services of the United States... -- LEARN MORE-- NEWSIn a message dated 12/12/2005 8:17:54 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Don't let your mind accept what your eyes see. It may look like the satanic star, it may have the same proportions as the satanic Star. it may align with the satanic star in every way if we overlay them, But it can not be a Satanic star since you say so. pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! look this way repeat after me "I know the church is true" Avert your eyes look away that is not the universally accepted symbol for Satan. repeat after me.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about the stars on the American flag?? five
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Re: [TruthTalk] TRUE CHRISTIANS SAY NO TO SATAN BEFORE IT MANIFESTS INTO SIN - says Dean Moore

Wouldn't it be nice if you were as concerned about how God sees you as much as you are concerned how each of us sees others?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  EXATAMUNDO! I have long been mystified by such, Terry.- Original Message -   From: Terry Clifton   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: December 13, 2005 09:32  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] TRUE CHRISTIANS SAY NO TO SATAN BEFORE IT MANIFESTS INTO SIN - says Dean Moore  I suspect that you are correct. Sometimes it is hard to see ourselves as others see us.Lance Muir wrote:   How, you ask, did I figure that out, Terry? The same way you did. ARE YOU, TERRY, UNAWARE, THAT SOME EXCLUDE THEMSELVES FROM THIS.?- Original Message -   From: Terry Clifton   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: December 13, 2005 09:17  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] TRUE CHRISTIANS SAY NO TO SATAN BEFORE IT MANIFESTS INTO SIN - says Dean Moore  Lance Muir wrote:   Speaking ONLY of expressions on TT, may I ask ALL participants who have never sinned ON TT to identify themselves. IMO, NOT ONE HAS NOT SINNED ON TT ALONE NEVER MIND THEIR LIVES APART FROM TT.DUH! How did you figure that out? I can spot the sins in you other guys every time you contribute.Terry
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] Inverted stars on LDS Temples

The Temple in nauvoo was given by REVELATION: According to the story recounted in History of the Church, Vol. 6, pp. 196-197, Joseph Smith told the architect of the Nauvoo temple, "I wish you to carry out my [italics in the original text] designs. I have seen in vision the splendid appearance of the building illuminated, and will have it built according to the pattern shown me." The one below is just for comparison to the actual pentagrams that are onAND AROUND the temple. http://www.hismin.com/page3.html http://www.hismin.com/occultsymbols.htmlhttp://www.greaterthings.com/OpenForum/5_pointed_star_Nauvoo_Temple/ The up-side-down five-pointed star is to Satanists what
the Cross is to Christians. Why is this symbol being used in the LDS temple? With all things having both a positive and negative manifestation, is this an instance of opposite contrast? The answer is found in the heart of each person as well as each organization generally that uses the symbol.http://www.ldshistory.net/1904/tempgeog.htmThe Temple in Salt Lake City, contains many of these ancient symbols, both inside and out, which portray many fundamental principles when properly understood. On the west wall we find the designs of the Big Dipper, which unfailingly points out the North Star, and serves as a guide to the traveler across the unchartered wilderness. So likewise does this symbol on our Temple tell the initiate, that herein he will
find an unfailing guide, as he or she travels the journey of life, which will safely guide us back to our Father's presence. Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this sign actually located somewhere on or in the Mormon temple? I would like an honest answer from someone who has been there and seen it.TerryKevin Deegan wrote: Does the temple display Satanic stars? On has only to use the eyes God gave him, or he can shut his eyes and avoid the obvious 666

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RE: [TruthTalk] Cross

Still waiting on Blaines explanation of EXACTLY what he finds weird.ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THE OLD RUGGED CROSS On a hill far away stood an old rugged cross,The emblem of suffering and shame;And I love that old cross where the dearest and bestFor a world of lost sinners was slain. So I'll cherish the old rugged cross,Till my trophies at last I lay down;I will cling to the old rugged cross,And exchange it some day for a crown. O that old rugged cross, so despised by the world,Has a wondrous attraction for me;For the dear Lamb of God left His glory aboveTo bear it to dark Calvary. So I'll cherish the old rugged cross,Till my trophies at last I lay down;I will cling to the old rugged cross,And exchange it some day for a crown. In that old rugged cross, stained with blood so divine,A wondrous beauty I see,For 'twas on that old cross
Jesus suffered and died,To pardon and sanctify me. So I'll cherish the old rugged cross,Till my trophies at last I lay down;I will cling to the old rugged cross,And exchange it some day for a crown. To the old rugged cross I will ever be true;Its shame and reproach gladly bear;Then He'll call me some day to my home far away,Where His glory forever I'll share. So I'll cherish the old rugged cross,Till my trophies
at last I lay down;I will cling to the old rugged cross,And exchange it some day for a crown. Yes, a lost person would think that those lyrics are weird, indeed. izFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:11 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] CrossIn a message dated 12/12/2005 7:42:12 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:One of the best songs I ever heard was titled, He Loved Me with a Cross. izOne of the weirdest songs I ever heard was The Old Rugged Cross. It seemed to glorify the cross in a negative way. I doubt the Lord even to this day is overly fond of that old rugged cross. :)
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Re: [TruthTalk] Moderator comment

Dean has not made any Sexually suggestive comments as you have claimed in fact it is the LDS folk who have made comments and done some things thru private emails "under the table" Again LDS response is as IRRELEVANT as yeah but the Flag has stars Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please try to refrain from making sexual references, especially false accuastions.DAVEH: Let's see if I understand this, Perry. Recently I asked some questions that were no more sexually oriented than what you commonly make, Dean then claimed foul..and you banned further discussion based on the perception you and Dean had about what those comments might have implied. Now you have made a comment that can be perceived to be sexually
charged..If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! ..and you don't want to recognize the double standard? It is interesting that when you or other TTers make any kind of denigrating remarks toward LDS theology with sexual implications, nothing is considered off limits. When I point out this obvious double standard, I am cautioned by the moderator to refrain from bringing the discussion to the TT table under the guise of making false accusations. It must be convenient to have a moderator who can see non-LDS posters through one non-judgmental eye, and perceive a completely different perspective of LDS posters through the other, more critical eye. I suppose if one has an ax to grind against LDS theology, and is not embarrassed to publicly admit suchthen it should not surprise anybody to find that person practicing a double standard. The curious part about this is that it happens on a
forum called TruthTalk, where truth is presupposed to be the dominating factor, yet it seems to be suppressed when it comes to recognizing the Christian hypocrisy found here.Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, Please try to refrain from making sexual references, especially false accuastions. This is not the forum for that? I am sure there are many discussion forums about sex if that type of discussion interests you. Perry From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Perry's Sexually
Suggestive Comments Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:07:35 -0800 *If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! * DAVEH: I wonder if Dean is going to rebuke you for making such sexually suggestive comments, Perry! If not, will we then have another example of hypocritical Christianity in TT? Charles Perry Locke wrote: Just be sure you remember your secret password and secret handshake so Joseph Smith will allow you entrance into heaven. *If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! * From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Signing off... Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:19:35 EST I guess I never got to know you, Christine--but hope to meet you in the great beyond--you may be required to testify at the Bar of God as to what you have seen and heard on TT-- Blainerb In a message dated 12/11/2005 11:24:52 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am signing off. I have gotten sucked into the world of TT, and I think it would be beneficial to my GPA to bid adeiu. Thanks for all the discussions. I have learned a great deal. May the Lord bless you and keep you all. It would be cool to meet you all in real life some day. But maybe not all in the same room. I wonder how that would turn out... :-) -Christine Miller -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.

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Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows, And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil. The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not: But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes ! and , by the way, DH, your assessment of the world's point of view on this is neither accurate or relevant. and this statementborders on insulting:One of the weirdest songs I ever heard was The Old Rugged Cross. It seemed to glorify the cross in a negative way. I doubt the Lord even to this day is overly fond of that old rugged cross. :) Blainerb I have to say something here -- both of you have made it clear (and I am not angry , by the way) that your stay here on TT has given you nothing in terms of reason for crossing over. Well, consider your failure in this regard, as well. With
asmuchvariety as exists here amongst us Christians, you would think someone would consider the Mormon religion.But this latest discussion, while revealing, would surely close the door to any serious student of the Bible. To put down "death" and the "cross" is to simply miss the point of the life of Christ here on this earth .. and miss the mark by a wide margin !!! jd-- Original message -- From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think that we have isolated the problem, Dave. You seem to be thinking like the world instead of as a follower who has taken up the cross and died to self.TerryDave Hansen wrote: Those wearing one are sending a message that they follow Christ. DAVEH: Unfortunately, they naively fail to understand the message they are sending, IMHO. As I've explained before, the world recognizes the cross as a symbol of death. And for anybody familiar with the historical meaning of what the cross did to our Savior, why they would want to project a message of torture, suffering and death.is simply incredible to me.

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[TruthTalk] [Fwd: The Perfect Arm]





The Perfect Arm

The coach had put together the perfect team for the Detroit Lions.  The only
thing missing was a good quarterback.  He had scouted all the colleges and
even the Canadian and European Leagues, but he couldn't find a ringer who
could ensure a Super Bowl victory.

Then one night, while watching CNN, he saw a war-zone scene in Afghanistan.
In one corner of the background, he spotted a young Afghan Muslim soldier
with a truly incredible arm.  He threw a hand-grenade straight into a window
from 80 yards away.   Then he threw another from 50 yards down a chimney,
and then hit a passing car going 80 miles per hour.
I've got to get this guy! coach said to himself. He has the perfect arm!
So, he brings the young Afghan to the States and teaches him the great game
of football. And sure enough the Lions go on to win the Super Bowl.
The young Afghan is hailed as a hero of football, and when the coach asks
him what he wants to do, all he says is just to call his mother.
Mom, he says into the phone, I just won the Super Bowl!  I don't want
to talk to you, the old Muslim woman says. You deserted us.  You are not
my son!
Mother, I don't think you understand, pleads the son, I've just won the
greatest sporting event in the world!
No!  Let me tell you, his mother retorts.  At this very moment there are
gunshots all around us.  The neighborhood is a pile of rubble.  Your two
brothers were beaten within an inch of their lives last week, and I have to
keep your sister in the house so she doesn't get raped!
The old lady pauses then tearfully says, I will never forgive you for
making us move to Detroit!





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[TruthTalk] DEAN: DO YOU NOT KNOW HE SEES US ALIKE, IN HIM?




The is my concern EQUALLY! Are BOTH not a concern 
of yours?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin 
  Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 13, 2005 12:42
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] TRUE CHRISTIANS 
  SAY NO TO SATAN BEFORE IT MANIFESTS INTO SIN - says Dean Moore
  
  Wouldn't it be nice if you were as concerned about how God 
  sees you as much as you are concerned how each of us sees 
  others?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  

EXATAMUNDO! I have long been mystified by such, 
Terry.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Terry Clifton 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 13, 2005 09:32
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] TRUE 
  CHRISTIANS SAY NO TO SATAN BEFORE IT MANIFESTS INTO SIN - says Dean 
  Moore
  I suspect that you are correct. Sometimes it is hard 
  to see ourselves as others see us.Lance Muir wrote: 
  

How, you ask, did I figure that out, Terry? 
The same way you did. ARE YOU, TERRY, UNAWARE, THAT SOME EXCLUDE 
THEMSELVES FROM THIS.?

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Terry Clifton 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  December 13, 2005 09:17
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] TRUE CHRISTIANS SAY NO TO SATAN BEFORE IT MANIFESTS 
  INTO SIN - says Dean Moore
  Lance Muir wrote: 
  



Speaking ONLY of expressions on TT, may 
I ask ALL participants who have never sinned ON TT to identify 
themselves. IMO, NOT ONE HAS NOT SINNED ON TT ALONE NEVER MIND THEIR 
LIVES APART FROM 
  TT.DUH! 
  How did you figure that out? I can spot the sins in you 
  other guys every time you 
  contribute.Terry
  
  
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Your personal encounters with one Jew or
another is irrelevant. History should not be distorted by anit-semites. iz











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Terry Clifton
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005
9:44 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]





It might benefit us all, Iz, if you would point out
the error in John's thinking. Not all of us have the benefit of a close
relationship with a Jewish believer. None of the jewish guys I ever knew
or worked with were anything that would please the Lord.
Terry

ShieldsFamily wrote: 

Jd,
your lack of understanding of the Jews is appalling, as demonstrated by every
post you write about them. Why not try learning about them instead of
speculating out of thin air? Im talking HUGE lack of
understandingHUGE! iz











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005
9:30 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]



















Probably no interest on this one, but I'll throw it
out there anyway.











Isreal claims ancestrythrough Abraham to
God. But there wasno Israel
from thebeginning of earth's history to around 1600 BC or so.












The Egyptians had their own culture, religion and
mythology. The Jews really had no national identity at
all. If if if the Egyptians had incorporated these people
into their society in the early years, there would have been no Israel of God
--- or, at the very least, Egyptian mythology and culture would
have survived in Israel.
But, the very fact of continued bondage IMO created an us
versus them psychology that prevented Israel from being lost in
the sea of Egyptian
nuance. 











Their escape from Egypt
was that of a people needing Divine help at the most basic
levels of national existence. . They had no law or national
structure. Their God of the past 400 years (of bondage) was a
God of tradition and little more. We are talking about 2 to 3
million people (so some assert) leaving Egypt with absolutely no
where to go, no way to survive militarily , a culture of bondage
and defeat as the National Story, And when they got to the Red Sea, reality hit them between the
eyes. This defeatist attitude becomes a part of their tradition and
, perhaps, is an aspect of their repeated rebellion. It is
almost as if they are the Divine Stepchild and they really don'tcare
forthisidentiy. Does this have anything to do
with fact that do not approach God as Father God ?? 











And what is Moses doing with the writing of Genesis if
not collecting the oral traditions in an effort at presenting Iseal (this
brandnew nation) with a history that it can claim as its own???
Perhaps he begins with the Beginning because this was the perfect place
to start. .. contrasting the
Egyptian mythologies of the beginnings of man with an account of a sovereign
God and His creation. These Jews, freah out of Egypt,
most definitely knew of the Egyptian stories. The contrast would
have been startling. 











Whatever.











jd

Re: [TruthTalk]





I still do not see where John was anti anyone. If he is, I may
unknowingly be guilty of the same, so please tell us both where we need
to modify our thinking.
Thanks in advance.
Terry

ShieldsFamily wrote:

  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  Your
personal encounters with one Jew or
another is irrelevant. History should not be distorted by
anit-semites. iz
  
  
  
  
  From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Terry Clifton
  Sent: Tuesday,
December 13, 2005
9:44 AM
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk]
  
  
  It might benefit us all, Iz,
if you would point out
the error in John's thinking. Not all of us have the benefit of a
close
relationship with a Jewish believer. None of the jewish guys I ever
knew
or worked with were anything that would please the Lord.
Terry
  
ShieldsFamily wrote: 
  Jd,
your lack of understanding of the Jews is appalling, as demonstrated by
every
post you write about them. Why not try learning about them instead of
speculating out of thin air? Im talking HUGE lack of
understandingHUGE! iz
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Monday, December
12, 2005
9:30 PM
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk]
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Probably no interest on this
one, but I'll throw it
out there anyway.
  
  
  
  
  
  Isreal claims ancestrythrough
Abraham to
God. But there wasno Israel
from thebeginning of earth's history to around 1600 BC or so.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  The Egyptians had their own
culture, religion and
mythology. The Jews really had no national identity at
all. If if if the Egyptians had incorporated these people
into their society in the early years, there would have been no Israel
of God
--- or, at the very least, Egyptian mythology and culture would
have survived in Israel.
But, the very fact of continued bondage IMO created an "us
versus them" psychology that prevented Israel from being
lost in
the sea of Egyptian
nuance. 
  
  
  
  
  
  Their escape from Egypt
was that of a people needing Divine help at the most basic
levels of national existence. . They had no law or national
structure. Their God of the past 400 years (of bondage) was a
God of tradition and little more. We are talking about 2 to 3
million people (so some assert) leaving Egypt with
absolutely no
where to go, no way to survive militarily , a culture of bondage
and defeat as the National Story, And when they got to the Red Sea,
reality hit them between the
eyes. This defeatist attitude becomes a part of their tradition and
, perhaps, is an aspect of their repeated rebellion. It is
almost as if they are the Divine Stepchild and they really don'tcare
forthisidentiy. Does this have anything to do
with fact that do not approach God as "Father God" ?? 
  
  
  
  
  
  And what is Moses doing with
the writing of Genesis if
not collecting the oral traditions in an effort at presenting Iseal
(this
brandnew nation) with a history that it can claim as its own???
Perhaps he begins with the Beginning because this was the perfect
place
to start. .. contrasting the
Egyptian mythologies of the beginnings of man with an account of a
sovereign
God and His creation. These Jews, freah out of Egypt,
most definitely knew of the Egyptian stories. The contrast would
have been startling. 
  
  
  
  
  
  Whatever.
  
  
  
  
  
  jd

Re: [TruthTalk] Signing off...





In a message dated 12/12/2005 9:53:54 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Just be 
  sure you remember your secret password and secret handshake so Joseph 
  Smith will allow you entrance into heaven. If lucky, you may become one of 
  his many spirit wives!

Snide comments?? Perry is being 
bad kid again.

Re: [TruthTalk]

I'm with Terry  John on this one. Sssup 
Iz?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Terry Clifton 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: December 13, 2005 15:33
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
  I still do not see where John was anti anyone. If he is, 
  I may unknowingly be guilty of the same, so please tell us both where we need 
  to modify our thinking.Thanks in advance.TerryShieldsFamily 
  wrote: 

Your personal 
encounters with one Jew or another is irrelevant. History should not 
be distorted by anit-semites. iz

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of Terry 
CliftonSent: Tuesday, 
December 13, 2005 9:44 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: 
[TruthTalk]

It might benefit us all, Iz, if you would point out 
the error in John's thinking. Not all of us have the benefit of a 
close relationship with a Jewish believer. None of the jewish guys I 
ever knew or worked with were anything that would please the 
Lord.TerryShieldsFamily wrote: 
Jd, 
your lack of understanding of the Jews is appalling, as demonstrated by 
every post you write about them. Why not try learning about them 
instead of speculating out of thin air? Im talking HUGE lack of 
understandingHUGE! iz

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:30 
PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: 
[TruthTalk]

Probably no interest on this one, but I'll throw it 
out there anyway.

Isreal claims ancestrythrough Abraham to 
God. But there wasno Israel 
from thebeginning of earth's history to around 1600 BC or 
so. 

The Egyptians had their own culture, religion and 
mythology. The Jews really had no national identity at 
all. If if if the Egyptians had incorporated these people 
into their society in the early years, there would have been no 
Israel of 
God --- or, at the very least, Egyptian mythology 
and culture would have survived in Israel. 
But, the very fact of continued bondage IMO created an "us 
versus them" psychology that prevented Israel from being lost 
in the sea of 
Egyptian 
nuance. 

Their escape from Egypt 
was that of a people needing Divine help at the most basic 
levels of national existence. . They had no law or 
national structure. Their God of the past 400 years (of 
bondage) was a God of tradition and little more. We are talking 
about 2 to 3 million people (so some assert) leaving Egypt with absolutely no 
where to go, no way to survive militarily , a culture of bondage 
and defeat as the National Story, And when they got to the 
Red 
Sea, reality hit them between the 
eyes. This defeatist attitude becomes a part of their tradition 
and , perhaps, is an aspect of their repeated rebellion. 
It is almost as if they are the Divine Stepchild and they really 
don'tcare forthisidentiy. Does 
this have anything to do with fact that do not approach God as "Father 
God" ?? 

And what is Moses doing with the writing of Genesis 
if not collecting the oral traditions in an effort at presenting Iseal 
(this brandnew nation) with a history that it can claim as its 
own??? Perhaps he begins with the Beginning because this 
was the perfect place to start. 
.. contrasting the Egyptian mythologies of 
the beginnings of man with an account of a sovereign God and His 
creation. These Jews, freah out of Egypt, 
most definitely knew of the Egyptian stories. The contrast would 
have been startling. 

Whatever.

jd

Re: [TruthTalk] Almost(s) Anti(s)





Blainerb: Oh, OK, well either way it seems to ft. :)


In a message dated 12/12/2005 10:03:17 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Who specifically, are we talking about 
  here? Kevin? :)DAVEH: 
  No...I don't think so, Blaine. If anybody is hung up on sexual 
  stuff, it seems like Dean gets particularly excited (that may not be the best 
  word to describe the situation) when the topic is broached.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  


Who specifically, are we talking about here? 
Kevin? :)
Blainerb


In a message dated 12/12/2005 8:14:09 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  Very perceptive 
  on your part, Dean. I have noticed this to be patently true. 
  iz
  
  
  
  
  
  

Satan led people are always accuses others of 
the very thingtheyare 
  doing..

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evil





Blainerb: LOL The maintenance people in and around the temple 
wear ordinary work clothing--no red suits or pitchforks. Have you been 
having nightmares, or, worse yet, hallucinations? Don't let these things get to 
you, Kevin. You must get a hold of yourself!


In a message dated 12/13/2005 4:38:11 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
LOL and the guy with the red suit  pitchfork is just the 
  maintenance man[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  


Blainerb: If Kevin were honest with 
TT'rs, he would tell you the truth--the stars"plastered all over" the 
Salt Lake Temple, altho all five-sided, are not all 
inverted. Some are, some are not. They were placed there 
for decorative purposes, as well as symbolizing the North Star, the Morning 
star, the Star of Bethlehem, the Telestial Kingdom, the creations of God, 
etc.

Re: [TruthTalk] Inverted Stars on LDS Temples






In a message dated 12/13/2005 5:08:57 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  The inverted pentagram is the UNIVERSAL sign for Satan
  The Inverted pentagran with the elogated bottom point is to symbolize the 
  Fall of Satan 
  All this changes of courseif it is on the 
  Temple, because it must be so.

Blainerb: I guess it changes too, when used on the 
Congressional Medal of Honor, huh? Or on the great seal of the City of 
Jerusalem. Or on the American Great Star flag of 1837--1845. Guess 
it sort of changes anytime someone uses it for good purposes, huh? Or do 
you suppose they secretly intended to communicate with witches, warlocks, 
etc?


 by 
Steven M. Schroeder, 18 November 2000 
Great Star 
Design (1837) - As depicted in the postage stamp, it 
consists of 13 stripes, blue canton with 26 5-pointed stars arranged: with one 
very large star in center, 5 smaller stars in each angle of center star, 5 
smaller stars between each of the previous 5, and 3 yet smaller stars at each 
ordinal point, giving impression of a large star pointing down.Steven M. 
Schroeder, 18 November 2000 

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Blainerb: The following sites furnish the truth about 
Inverted stars on LDS Temples and what they mean:

http://www.fairlds.org/pubs/Stars.pdf

http://www.lightplanet.com/response/answers/pentagrams.htm

Kevin, we will be awaiting your comments once your perfidy is 
uncovered.

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

You have shown again that you have NO PART in this: Gal 5 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.Your 'god' is such a PIPSQUEAK that a cross killed him. NO One took his life he laid it down WILLINGLY. He was born to die 1 JN 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for usGod HIMSELF was the SIN Bearer the sacrifice for SINS! 1 PT 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree,
We are to be DEAD withChristRM 6 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?RM 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: neverthless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
LOST LDS see it as foolish! 1 Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. (23) But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;The cross you mock "symbol of Death" is the RC Crucfix The cross Christians talk of is an EMPTY CROSS, it is the "SYMBOL of LIFE, abundant and ETERNAL!" MK 16:6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is
risen; he is not hereBut God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. Gal 6:14What did Paul mean bythis? He meant to declare strongly, that he trusted in nothing but Jesus Christ crucified for the pardon of his sins and the salvation of his soul. Let others, look elsewhere for salvation. Let others,trust in other things for pardon and peace. For his part, the apostle was determined to rest on nothing, lean on nothing, build his hope on nothing, place confidence in nothing, glory in nothing, except
the cross of Jesus Christ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: enemies of the crossDAVEH: I suspect you will disagree with me on this Kevin, but I do not consider myself to be an enemy of the cross. Quite the contrary, it is simply a device used by God's enemy to kill his Beloved Son. For that reason, I do not idolize the cross or adorn my body or edifices with the cross. Most other LDS folks feel much as I do about it.preaching of the crossDAVEH: Of course.it would be wrong in my opinion to hide the historical truth of
what the cross is, or what it did to Jesus. That is precisely why I am having this discussion with TTers. I think the truth of what the cross represents is an important truth that is not appreciated by most Christians. Nor I am offended by seeing a picture of a cross, as it is a well recognized symbol of death. And in the context of theology, THAT is what THE cross did to Jesus.it killed him. Remembering and recognizing such an event is extremely important to my beliefs, as it should be to all Christians' beliefs. But I do not find myself attracted to the cross in such a way that it becomes an idol, or a memorial. Nor do I think it advantageous or in good taste to prominently display such a representation of a device of torture. Now I do realize that many Christians take comfort in seeing the cross, and closely identify with it's message as they perceive it. The problem is that much of the world
recognizes the cross as a symbol of death. I wonder if Christians realize that when they adorn themselves and their houses of worship with a symbol that to many people might make them think that Christianity is a religion founded in death. I prefer not to think of the gospel of Jesus Christ that way. While that is certainly an event that happened to Jesus, and will happen to each mortal who walks this earth, I don't spend much time pondering its ramifications. Why?Because Jesus broke the bonds of death, and gave us life. As do many, I don't see life in the cross. If the mother of Jesus were to see a cross after the death of her Son by means of the cross, I suspect she would not see life there either. Nor do I think she would have been pleased at such a sight of remembrance. And if Jesus himself were to view a cross, I can only think the memories it would bring him would be less than pleasant ones. taketh not his crossDAVEH: I've seen guys walking along the highway, literally identifying with this passage. While I admire their fortitude and willingness to suffer in behalf of their beliefs, I do believe they take this passage out of context to satisfy their own needs. Kevin...I can only assume that you do not take this message to the literal extreme of carrying a cross around (whether it be a heavy wooden cross as those I've seen on the highway, or as jewelery) to give yourself

Re: [TruthTalk] Signing off...

This is real FOOLISHNESS not the CROSS!Secret High signs, Secret handshakes, Secret Names and secret Passwords will not get anyone Resurrected or into Heaven. How sad!TEMPLE OF DOOM  http://www.mazeministry.com/resources/books/doombook/doomtext/16nail.htm  There is one more hellish connection with these grips  The Sign of the Nail and the Sure Sign of the Nail. Although it is a closely guarded secret among Luciferian initiates, a code name for Satan is "The Nail." This is because nails caused so much pain to Jesus and because of their phallic symbolism. To find this title used in the LDS endowment surprised even me. It is a grisly association at best, especially in a religion which so thoroughly rejects the cross. Satan
 fears the cross, but he loves being called The Nail.Blaine, PLEASE Tell us all about these CHRISTIAN SYMBOLS practised in the Temple!Sign of the NAIL (right in the wrist!)  Pay Lay Ale!Secret Handshake thru the VEIL with Elohim (trying to get in to heaven)  FIVE Points of "Fellowship"  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
   In a message dated 12/12/2005 9:53:54 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  Just be sure you remember your secret password and secret handshake so Joseph Smith will allow you entrance into heaven. If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives!Snide comments?? Perry is being bad kid again.  
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] Perry's Sexually Suggestive Comments

See previous post about off-line.

From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry's Sexually Suggestive Comments
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:00:32 -0800 (PST)

Sexually suggestive? are you now admitting your god has sex with mortal 
women?

Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  If lucky, you may become one of his 
many spirit wives!

DAVEH:   I wonder if Dean is going to rebuke you for making such sexually 
suggestive comments, Perry!   If not, will we then have another example of 
hypocritical Christianity in TT?

Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Just be sure you remember your secret password and secret handshake so 
Joseph Smith will allow you entrance into heaven. If lucky, you may become 
one of his many spirit wives!

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Signing off...
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:19:35 EST

I guess I never got to know you, Christine--but hope to meet you in the
great beyond--you may be required to testify at the Bar of God as to what 
you

have seen and heard on TT--
Blainerb

In a message dated 12/11/2005 11:24:52 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I am  signing off. I have gotten sucked into the world of TT, and I think 
it
would  be beneficial to my GPA to bid adeiu. Thanks for all the 
discussions. I

have  learned a great deal. May the Lord bless you and keep you all.

It  would be cool to meet you all in real life some day. But maybe not all 
in

the  same room. I wonder how that would turn out... :-)

-Christine  Miller

--   ~~~  Dave Hansen  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
http://www.langlitz.com  ~~~  If you wish to receive  things I 
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Re: [TruthTalk] Inverted Stars on LDS Temples

Stop avoiding please tell us why it is on the Temple Why use the sure sign of the NAIL? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/13/2005 5:08:57 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:The inverted pentagram is the UNIVERSAL sign for Satan The Inverted pentagran with the elogated bottom point is to symbolize the Fall of Satan All this changes of courseif
it is on the Temple, because it must be so.Blainerb: I guess it changes too, when used on the Congressional Medal of Honor, huh? Or on the great seal of the City of Jerusalem. Or on the American Great Star flag of 1837--1845. Guess it sort of changes anytime someone uses it for good purposes, huh? Or do you suppose they secretly intended to communicate with witches, warlocks, etc? by Steven M. Schroeder, 18 November 2000 Great Star Design (1837) - As depicted in the postage stamp, it consists of 13 stripes,
blue canton with 26 5-pointed stars arranged: with one very large star in center, 5 smaller stars in each angle of center star, 5 smaller stars between each of the previous 5, and 3 yet smaller stars at each ordinal point, giving impression of a large star pointing down.Steven M. Schroeder, 18 November 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blainerb: The following sites furnish the truth about Inverted stars on LDS Temples and what they mean:http://www.fairlds.org/pubs/Stars.pdfhttp://www.lightplanet.com/response/answers/pentagrams.htmKevin, we will be awaiting your comments once your perfidy is uncovered.

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Re: [TruthTalk] Moderator comment

Kevin, we banned this topic, so if you want to discuss it further, do so 
offline, okay?

From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment **
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:47:32 -0800 (PST)

Dean has not made any Sexually suggestive comments as you have claimed in 
fact it is the LDS folk who have made comments and done some things thru 
private emails under the table

  Again LDS response is as IRRELEVANT as yeah but the Flag has stars

Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please try to refrain from making sexual references, especially false 
accuastions.

DAVEH:   Let's see if I understand this, Perry.  Recently I asked some 
questions that were no more sexually oriented than what you commonly make, 
Dean then claimed foul..and you banned further discussion based on the 
perception you and Dean had about what those comments might have implied.

Now you have made a comment that can be perceived to be sexually 
charged..

If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives!

..and you don't want to recognize the double standard?  It is 
interesting that when you or other TTers make any kind of denigrating 
remarks toward LDS theology with sexual implications, nothing is considered 
off limits.  When I point out this obvious double standard, I am cautioned 
by the moderator to refrain from bringing the discussion to the TT table 
under the guise of making false accusations.  It must be convenient to have 
a moderator who can see non-LDS posters through one non-judgmental eye, and 
perceive a completely different perspective of LDS posters through the 
other, more critical eye.  I suppose if one has an ax to grind against LDS 
theology, and is not embarrassed to publicly admit suchthen it should 
not surprise anybody to find that person practicing a double standard.  The 
curious part about this is that it happens on a forum called TruthTalk, 
where truth is presupposed to be the dominating factor, yet it seems to be 
suppressed when it comes to recognizing

 the Christian hypocrisy found here.

Charles Perry Locke wrote:   Dave,

  Please try to refrain from making sexual references, especially false 
accuastions. This is not the forum for that? I am sure there are many 
discussion forums about sex if that type of discussion interests you.

Perry

  From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: [TruthTalk] Perry's Sexually Suggestive Comments
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:07:35 -0800

*If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! *

DAVEH:   I wonder if Dean is going to rebuke you for making such sexually 
suggestive comments, Perry!   If not, will we then have another example of 
hypocritical Christianity in TT?

Charles Perry Locke wrote:

Just be sure you remember your secret password and secret handshake so 
Joseph Smith will allow you entrance into heaven. *If lucky, you may become 
one of his many spirit wives! *

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Signing off...
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:19:35 EST

I guess I never got to know you, Christine--but hope to meet you in the
great beyond--you may be required to testify at the Bar of God as to what 
you

have seen and heard on TT--
Blainerb

In a message dated 12/11/2005 11:24:52 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I am  signing off. I have gotten sucked into the world of TT, and I think 
it
would  be beneficial to my GPA to bid adeiu. Thanks for all the 
discussions. I

have  learned a great deal. May the Lord bless you and keep you all.

It  would be cool to meet you all in real life some day. But maybe not all 
in

the  same room. I wonder how that would turn out... :-)

-Christine  Miller

--
~~~
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [TruthTalk] Cross





Blainerb: There are quite a few "cross" 
songs in the LDS hymnbook. It is not a bad word, it is just the context in 
which it is used. We believe in "taking up our cross," so to speak, 
which means we give up the pleasures of the world, and are even willing to 
suffer if necessary to live more righteously. But we still think the cross 
as a visible symbol of Jesus falls short of what He stands for--the most 
important of which is resurrection to life in the Kingdom of God--God's 
life. We do not think that is adequately represented by a 
cross. Now stars, whether pentagrams or whatever, obviouslyfill the 
bill, since that's where we hope to be--in heaven, where the stars are at. 
:) Stars make for an excellent symbol of Jesus Christ, whereas a cross 
is dubious at best. 


In a message dated 12/13/2005 5:56:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Why did 
  the LDS "CHOIR" sing songs about the Cross you dispise at general Conference 
  last October?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  


In a message dated 12/12/2005 7:42:12 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
One of the best 
  songs I ever heard was titled, â€œHe Loved Me with a Crossâ€. 
  iz

One of the weirdest songs I ever heard was The Old Rugged 
Cross. It seemed to glorify the cross in a negative 
way. I doubt the Lord even to this day is overly fond of that old 
rugged cross. :)
Blainerb

Re: [TruthTalk] TRUE CHRISTIANS SAY NO TO SATAN BEFORE IT MANIFESTS INTO SIN ...





In a message dated 12/13/2005 6:01:00 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Speaking ONLY of expressions on TT, may I ask ALL 
  participants who have never sinned ON TT to identify themselves. IMO, NOT ONE 
  HAS NOT SINNED ON TT ALONE NEVER MIND THEIR LIVES APART FROM 
  TT.

Good thought, Lance. But what about Dean? Maybe we better check 
and see if his mother's name was Mary, huh?

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

Well Blaine?Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:You act like a guilty man trying to hedge since his wife smelled perfume on his collar! or explain away a mysterious note in his pocket. The use of this symbol by some who are not wise to its Satanic meaning is IRRELEVANT. MORMONISM is like "Masonry, like all the religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled, to conceal the Truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it."
AFA a organization that professes to hold ALL TRUTH, why would they use the symbol used thru the ages to signify the BLACK Magic of Satan? And yes they call it the Cloven Hoof of Satan When walking on a trail it does not upset me to come upon deer prints. It does upset me to see bears prints because there may be a bear staright ahead! Satan left his foot prints all over your Religion for those who have eyes to see!JOE WAS A DIVINER and user of the ROD Jer 27 Therefore hearken not ye to your prophets, nor to your diviners, nor to your dreamers, nor to your enchanters, nor to your sorcerers, which speak unto you, saying, Ye shall not serve the king of Babylon: http://www.saintswithouthalos.com/s/dc_8.phtml (Changed for obvious reasons in DC 34 )BC 7:3 Now this is not all, thy gift; for you have another gift, which is the gift of working with the rod "The pentacle (pentagram), the five-pointed figure, contained mystic symbols, used especially in divination and the conjuration of spirits. The pentalpha, a design formed by interlacing five A's was also in similar use. To summon demonic help, the pentagram was fashioned: a five-pointed geometric figure." "circled pentagram for
white magic occult work; inverted pentagram for black magic rituals." JOE WORE A TALISMAN The "inverted pentagram is the most powerful of all Occultic talismans . . . It is alleged that it is more powerful than the Cross . . . " We are told that the inverted pentagram is "a sign for evil." "Celtic priests called it (the pentagram) the witch's foot. In the Middle Ages it became known in Britain and elsewhere in Europe as the goblin's cross, devil's sign, and the wizard's star. Among the druids of Great Britain, it was the blasphemous sign of the Godhead." Manly P. Hall, an occultist, points out that the, " . . . pentagram is used extensively in black magic, but when so used its form always differs in one of three ways: The star may be broken at one point by not permitting the converging line to touch; it may be
inverted by having one point down and two up; or it may be distorted by having the points of varying length. When used in black magic, the pentagram is called 'the sign of the cloven hoof' or the footprint of the devil. The star with two points upward IS ALSO called the 'Goat of Mendes,' because the inverted star is the same shape as a goat's head. When the upright star turns and the upper point falls to the bottom, it signifies the fall of the morning star." As stated, the pentagram can be drawn with one point down or two points down. Witches, Satanists and Masons all use this symbol! Satanists the world over use the pentagram with one point down, and witches use the pentagram with two points down. Gary Jennings, in his book, "Black Magic, White Magic," reveals that: "the most powerful and respected of all
magical symbols was the pentagram, the figure of five sides and five angles . . . The belief was that if this figure were drawn with a single angle . . . pointing down, the sign represented Satan and thus was used for invoking evil spirits." Max Wood states: "If you are a member of the Satanist Church, you wear one (a Pentagram). With this in mind, I was intrigued when I discovered that the Eastern Star (a Masonic organization composed of third degree Masons and women relatives of third degree Masons) uses the Pentagram with the one point down, the same symbol that the Satanists use! The Mystic Shrine (another Masonic group composed only of Masons who have advanced to the 32nd degree) also uses a Pentagram with one point down as its symbol. C.J.S. Thompson, in The Mysteries and Secrets of Magic, mentions that in India the pentacle 'is the symbol of Siva and Brahman' and Siva (or Shiva) is another name for Satan, so the pentacle (or Pentagram) is one of
Satan's symbols. It's no wonder then that Satanists use it." Dick Sutphen, an openly confessed New Ager, uses the pentacle in his magical rituals. He confirms that the "pentacle (or Pentagram) holds an important place in ritual magic." and that the, " . . . history of man is the history of magic, and it has been practiced from earliest times through Druidism, the Magi, the Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Jews, Knights Templar (a Masonic organ), Order of the Golden Dawn and in various organizations right up to

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross






Now Kevin, we don't despise crosses, we just like 
stars better. :)
Blainerb

In a message dated 12/13/2005 6:12:12 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  The cats out of the bag:
  Christians Glory in the cross you dispise it since you are of those that 
  the Bible says areENEMIES of the Cross whose END is DESTRUCTION!
  Galatians 6:14But God 
  forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our 
  Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto 
  the world.
  Ph 3 Brethren, be followers together of me, 
  and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.(For 
  many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that 
  they are the enemies of the cross of 
  Christ:Whose end is destruction, whose God is 
  their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly 
  things.)
  
  You are an example of those that mind earthly things such as your 
  LUSTFUL MIND.
  
  What specifically is so WIERD here? Except for ENEMIES that 
  is.
  
  On a hill far away stood an old rugged cross,The emblem of suffering 
  and shame;And I love that old cross where the dearest and bestFor a 
  world of lost sinners was slain.
  Refrain
  So I’ll cherish the old rugged cross,Till my trophies at 
  last I lay down;I will cling to the old rugged cross,And exchange it 
  some day for a crown.
  O that old rugged cross, so despised by the world,Has a wondrous 
  attraction for me;For the dear Lamb of God left His glory aboveTo bear 
  it to dark Calvary.
  Refrain
  In that old rugged cross, stained with blood so divine,A wondrous 
  beauty I see,For ’twas on that old cross Jesus suffered and died,To 
  pardon and sanctify me.
  Refrain
  To the old rugged cross I will ever be true;Its shame and reproach 
  gladly bear;Then He’ll call me some day to my home far away,Where His 
  glory forever I’ll share.

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evil

Your religion is RIDLED with occult Themes and you want to joke?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Blainerb: LOL The maintenance people in and around the temple wear ordinary work clothing--no red suits or pitchforks. Have you been having nightmares, or, worse yet, hallucinations? Don't let these things get to you, Kevin. You must get a hold of yourself!  In a message dated 12/13/2005 4:38:11 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  LOL and the guy with
 the red suit  pitchfork is just the maintenance man[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blainerb: If Kevin were honest with TT'rs, he would tell you the truth--the stars"plastered all over" the Salt Lake Temple, altho all five-sided, are not all inverted. Some are, some are not. They were placed there for decorative purposes, as well as symbolizing the North Star, the Morning star, the Star of Bethlehem, the Telestial Kingdom, the creations of God, etc.   
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] Inverted stars on LDS Temples





Blainerb: I don't have the slightest idea where Kevin got the 
photo. It appears to be old andpretty well-worked over--I have never 
seen it or one like it before...Kevin?

In a message dated 12/13/2005 7:11:19 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is this 
  sign actually located somewhere on or in the Mormon temple? I would like 
  an honest answer from someone who has been there and seen 
  it.TerryKevin Deegan wrote: 
  
Does the temple display Satanic stars?
On has only to use the eyes God gave him, or he can shut his eyes and 
avoid the obvious






666

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evil






Do they teach reading where you're from Izzie? How 'bout 
'rithmatic? And Spellling? 
Blainerb: 

In a message dated 12/13/2005 7:48:45 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I can actually read. 
  And I believe in knowing your enemy. iz
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:05 
  PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration 
  - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evil
  
  
  
  
  
  Blainerb: You 
  seem to know a lot more than I do about satanic pentagrams . . . where did you 
  learn so much? 
:)

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross






Izzy wrote: Yes, a lost person 
would think that those lyrics are “weird”, indeed. iz

Blainerb: Well, not totally 
weird, but a bit too sentimental for me considering the "ol' Rugged Cross" was, 
as the first stanza indicates, "The emblem of suffering and 
shame;" I like stars better, even 
upside-down ones.
Here is an old saying I like, 
and I thinkit applies to Joseph Smith and many who believe he was a true 
prophet:

"For every hand 
that reaches for the stars, ten others reach up to pull it 
down."


In a message dated 12/13/2005 7:58:37 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  


  

  
THE 
OLD RUGGED CROSS 
  

  On a 
  hill far away stood an old rugged cross,The emblem of suffering and 
  shame;And I love that old cross where the dearest and bestFor a world 
  of lost sinners was slain.
  So I'll 
  cherish the old rugged cross,Till my trophies at last I lay down;I 
  will cling to the old rugged cross,And exchange it some day for a 
  crown.
  O that 
  old rugged cross, so despised by the world,Has a wondrous attraction for 
  me;For the dear Lamb of God left His glory aboveTo bear it to dark 
  Calvary.
  So I'll 
  cherish the old rugged cross,Till my trophies at last I lay down;I 
  will cling to the old rugged cross,And exchange it some day for a 
  crown.
  In that 
  old rugged cross, stained with blood so divine,A wondrous beauty I 
  see,For 'twas on that old cross Jesus suffered and died,To pardon and 
  sanctify me.
  So I'll 
  cherish the old rugged cross,Till my trophies at last I lay down;I 
  will cling to the old rugged cross,And exchange it some day for a 
  crown.
  To the 
  old rugged cross I will ever be true;Its shame and reproach gladly 
  bear;Then He'll call me some day to my home far away,Where His glory 
  forever I'll share.
  So I'll 
  cherish the old rugged cross,Till my trophies at last I lay down;I 
  will cling to the old rugged cross,And exchange it some day for a 
  crown.
  Yes, a lost person 
  would think that those lyrics are “weird”, indeed. 
  iz

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evil




cd: I have pictures of inverted stars at SLC-Kevin is speaking with honesty.




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Sent: 12/12/2005 10:24:12 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evil


Blainerb: If Kevin were honest with TT'rs, he would tell you the truth--the stars"plastered all over" the Salt Lake Temple, altho all five-sided, are not all inverted. Some are, some are not. They were placed there for decorative purposes, as well as symbolizing the North Star, the Morning star, the Star of Bethlehem, the Telestial Kingdom, the creations of God, etc. 

In a message dated 12/12/2005 7:39:12 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Really don't you worry about it at all
It is probably not important that you have the same Star plastered ALL Over the Salt Lake temple as the one on the front cover of the Satanic Bible
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


In a message dated 12/11/2005 11:24:28 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In symbolism, especially masonic symbolism, from which the mormon stuff was taken

It was never "taken" from Masonic symbols--you are attaching WAAAY too much significance to a star on a wall--what you come across as doing is Grabbing At Straws!!

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evil




cd: Difference is that the lower point isn't elongated as the Satanists and Mormons use.




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Sent: 12/12/2005 10:46:54 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evil


"Universally accepted symbol for Satan?"

What about the Congressional Medal of Honor??? Please note the pentagrams, all pointing downward









THE MEDALOF HONOR


The highest award for valor in action against an enemy force which can be bestowed upon an individual serving in the Armed Services of the United States...  -- LEARN MORE--


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In a message dated 12/12/2005 8:17:54 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Don't let your mind accept what your eyes see.
It may look like the satanic star, it may have the same proportions as the satanic Star. it may align with the satanic star in every way if we overlay them,
But it can not be a Satanic star since you say so.
pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
look this way  repeat after me "I know the church is true"
Avert your eyes look away that is not the universally accepted symbol for Satan.
repeat after me.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




What about the stars on the American flag?? five points. I doubt they or the Mormon Temple builders even worry about what direction the stars point

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross





Blainerb: Crosses, or any other symbols of 
religious belief should never be denigrated. But I still like stars better 
as symbols for Jesus Christ, especially "the Bright and Morning Star." 
That star (Venus) symbolizes the death, burial and 
resurrection of Jesus Christ," asit appears first in the evening, 
then gets lost (buried) behind the sun, and then later appearson the 
eastern horizon preceding the sun as the morning star.  The 
symbolism is so much more precise and meaningful. 


In a message dated 12/13/2005 8:00:49 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  It’s because satan 
  can’t stand the Cross. Every true cult denigrates the Cross. 
  izzy
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 5:35 
  AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: Dave HansenSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] 
  Cross
  
  
  
  
  
  
  DH, I am surprised at your comments 
  against the cross. Is your thinking the reason why you folks have 
  a stick atop your buildings rather than a cross? 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  jd

Re: [TruthTalk] TRUE CHRISTIANS SAY NO TO SATAN BEFORE IT MANIFESTS INTO SIN ...




In a message dated 12/13/2005 8:36:52 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I Jo 1:8; Ro 3:23

All have sinned

  -- 
Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 







Hmm, let me think on it, 
Iz.

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross






Hmmm, JD is right, denigrating the symbols of another's religious beliefs 
was wrong. I apologize--apparently I offended JD, although I did so 
unthinkingly and without intention. It just came off the top of my 
head. Sometimes we get too caught up in proving our opinions and beliefs 
are more valid than every one else's, and I think I may have done just 
that. 
Now, if I may, I would like to ask for an apology from anyone who supported 
waving Mormon underclothing in public by the street preachers at general 
conference in Salt Lake City. And, the 
same for those who more recently have denigrated Mormon handshakes, and other 
sacred symbols on TT. And the same 
for those who have insisted on spelling "Mormon" with a lower-case 
letter.:)
What is fair is fair, huh? 
Blainerb

In a message dated 12/13/2005 8:37:10 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Yes ! and , by the way, DH, your assessment 
  of the world's point of view on this is neither accurate or 
  relevant. 
  
  and this statementborders on insulting:  
  One of the weirdest songs I ever heard was The Old Rugged 
  Cross. It seemed to glorify the cross in a negative 
  way. I doubt the Lord even to this day is overly fond of that old rugged 
  cross. :)
  Blainerb
  
  
  I have to say something here -- both of you have made it 
  clear (and I am not angry , by the way) that your stay here on TT 
  has given you nothing in terms of reason for crossing over. 
  Well, consider your failure in this regard, as well. 
  With asmuchvariety as exists here amongst us 
  Christians, you would think someone would consider the Mormon 
  religion.But this latest discussion, while revealing, would surely 
  close the door to any serious student of the Bible. To put down 
  "death" and the "cross" is to simply miss the point of the life of 
  Christ here on this earth .. and miss the mark by a 
  wide margin !!! 
  
  jd

Re: [TruthTalk] Congressional Medal of Honor--inverted pentagram





Blainerb: I guess I will have to spell it 
out for Kevin. He doesn't seem to get it. It goes like 
this: If the top brass in the Honorable US 
military can use inverted pentagrams for the nation's highest honor medal, 
without worrying about being accused of indulging in Satanism, how is it that 
Mormon higher-ups cannot do the same? As I have said, 
I like stars better than crosses for symbols of Jesus Christ anyway. 
Apparently the designers of Mormon temples do too. 


In a message dated 12/13/2005 8:55:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  The US Military is not the SOURCE of ALL Truth nor the RESTORATION of 
  such.
  
  As the conduit of Truth for all men of what significance are Inverted 
  Pentagrams on the LDS Temples?
  
  Why did the symbology of the OT Jewish Temple point at ALL Times to a 
  SACRIFICE?
  Where are the "star symbols" on the temple talked about in the Bible? 
  Chap Verse?
  
  Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to 
  worship them: and I will carry you away beyond 
  Babylon.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

 

Three different United States Medals of Honor currently 
exist, one each for the Army, Navy, and Air Force.

Blainerb: According to Kevin, the Medals 
of Honor shown here should be classified as symbols of Satanism, since they 
are inverted 
pentagrams!!!

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross




In a message dated 12/13/2005 9:03:40 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Then why 
  put them on the "House of the lord"?

Blainerb: Hmm, well it goes like this, Kevin: One of the 
names of Jesus Christ is "The Bright and Morning Star."' Hehas also 
been called Wonderful, Counselor, the King of Heaven, the Creator, 
the Prince of Peace, the Lamb of God, etc. Have you ever heard or read 
about him beingcalled"the cross?" or, "The old Rugged 
Cross?" 
 Stars are higher than crosses. Stars are more beautiful than 
crosses. Stars represent where we want to be after we leave this Vail of 
Tears. Most Christians would like it better if we put crosses on our 
temples. But we don't because, we are trying to be more like Jesus, and he 
was perhaps the most independently minded person to walk the earth. We are 
not trying to be like everyone else, we are simply doing what we think most 
appropriate, considering we idolize and worship Jesus Christ. We like stars better than crosses--why is that an 
arrow in your side? Why does that offend you?

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Temple projecting evil






The question is Kevin, where did the photo of the star with 666 on it come 
from? We have discussed stars, we know there are stars on LDS temples, but 
no Mormon recalls seeing any stars with 666 written them on the temples or any 
other LDS buildings. You are obviously suggesting it came from an LDS 
source. You need to give us a specific reference and URL for where this 
photo came from.
Blainerb


In a message dated 12/13/2005 9:04:20 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  The Christus room in the North visitors center SLC
  
  
  
  
  
  Church History 
  Museum 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  the 
same Star plastered ALL Over the Salt Lake temple as the one on the front 
cover of the Satanic BibleDAVEH: I just googled 
images looking for that and did not see it, Kevin. Can you give me a 
URL (or post an image) for what you are talking about.Kevin Deegan 
wrote: 

  Really don't you worry about it at all
  It is probably not important that you have the same Star plastered 
  ALL Over the Salt Lake temple as the one on the front cover of the Satanic 
  Bible
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  

In a message dated 12/11/2005 11:24:28 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In symbolism, especially masonic symbolism, from which the 
  mormon stuff was taken

It was never "taken" from Masonic symbols--you are attaching WAAAY 
too much significance to a star on a wall--what you come across as 
doing is Grabbing At 
Straws!!

RE: [TruthTalk]

2005-12-13 Thread knpraise


Who are these "anti-semites?" 
-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 








Your personal encounters with one Jew or another is irrelevant. History should not be distorted by anit-semites. iz





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 9:44 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk]

It might benefit us all, Iz, if you would point out the error in John's thinking. Not all of us have the benefit of a close relationship with a Jewish believer. None of the jewish guys I ever knew or worked with were anything that would please the Lord.TerryShieldsFamily wrote: 
Jd, your lack of understanding of the Jews is appalling, as demonstrated by every post you write about them. Why not try learning about them instead of speculating out of thin air? Im talking HUGE lack of understandingHUGE! iz





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:30 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]






Probably no interest on this one, but I'll throw it out there anyway.



Isreal claims ancestrythrough Abraham to God. But there wasno Israel from thebeginning of earth's history to around 1600 BC or so. 



The Egyptians had their own culture, religion and mythology. The Jews really had no national identity at all. If if if the Egyptians had incorporated these people into their society in the early years, there would have been no Israel of God --- or, at the very least, Egyptian mythology and culture would have survived in Israel. But, the very fact of continued bondage IMO created an "us versus them" psychology that prevented Israel from being lost in the sea of Egyptian nuance. 



Their escape from Egypt was that of a people needing Divine help at the most basic levels of national existence. . They had no law or national structure. Their God of the past 400 years (of bondage) was a God of tradition and little more. We are talking about 2 to 3 million people (so some assert) leaving Egypt with absolutely no where to go, no way to survive militarily , a culture of bondage and defeat as the National Story, And when they got to the Red Sea, reality hit them between the eyes. This def
eatist attitude becomes a part of their tradition and , perhaps, is an aspect of their repeated rebellion. It is almost as if they are the Divine Stepchild and they really don'tcare forthisidentiy. Does this have anything to do with fact that do not approach God as "Father God" ?? 



And what is Moses doing with the writing of Genesis if not collecting the oral traditions in an effort at presenting Iseal (this brandnew nation) with a history that it can claim as its own??? Perhaps he begins with the Beginning because this was the perfect place to start. .. contrasting the Egyptian mythologies of the beginnings of man with an account of a sovereign God and His creation. These Jews, freah out of Egypt, most definitely knew of the Egyptian stories. The contrast would have been startling. 



Whatever.



jd

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evil






Kevin wrote: 
All the 5 pointed stars are either ONE 
point up or One point down as in the Inverted pentagram, 
or the CLOVEN HOOF of Satan!
Some are Elongated DOWN NONE are Elongated up!

(I think Kevin means if the point is down, it is a goat's head, if it is 
up, it is a cloven hoof.)

Blainerb: At first you were 
saying only inverted stars were satanic, now you are saying all five-pointed 
stars are satanic. Make up your mind, Kevin. You are just changing 
your position to try to "prove" that all the stars on the Mormon temples are 
satanic. Are you having fun playing games with us? I am 
tired of this silliness. You must think we can't remember from one post to 
the next what you say. You can write more about this nonsense if you like, 
Kevin, but I doubt I will be replying to it.



In a message dated 12/13/2005 9:29:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  There maybe some that are not 5 pointed I am not sure that there is 
  a Total absence of any other than 5 POINTEDstars
  Could you post one that is not a pentagram and what Temple is it 
on?
  
  Nauvoo Temple PENTAGRAM Window casement
  
  
  
  
  All the 5 pointed stars are either ONE point up or One point down as in 
  the Inverted pentagram or CLOVEN HOOF of Satan!
  Some are Elongated DOWN NONE are Elongated up!
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  


Wrong Kevin, 
Satanic stars are ALL inverted. The ones on the temple are not all 
inverted, but scattered in different positions to give 
variety.



In a message dated 12/12/2005 9:39:36 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
the same Star plastered ALL Over the Salt Lake temple as the one 
  on the front cover of the Satanic BibleDAVEH: I 
  just googled images looking for that and did not see it, Kevin. Can 
  you give me a URL (or post an image) for what you are talking 
  about.Kevin Deegan wrote: 
  
Really don't you worry about it at all
It is probably not important that you have the same Star 
plastered ALL Over the Salt Lake temple as the one on the front cover of 
the Satanic Bible
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  
  In a message dated 12/11/2005 11:24:28 P.M. Mountain Standard 
  Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
  In symbolism, especially masonic symbolism, from which 
the mormon stuff was taken
  
  It was never "taken" from Masonic symbols--you are attaching 
  WAAAY too much significance to a star on a wall--what you come 
  across as doing is Grabbing 
  At Straws!!

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I dont even know where to start.
iz











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I still do not see where John was anti anyone.
If he is, I may unknowingly be guilty of the same, so please tell us both where
we need to modify our thinking.
Thanks in advance.
Terry

ShieldsFamily wrote: 

Your
personal encounters with one Jew or another is irrelevant. History should
not be distorted by anit-semites. iz











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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It might benefit us all, Iz, if you would point out
the error in John's thinking. Not all of us have the benefit of a close
relationship with a Jewish believer. None of the jewish guys I ever knew
or worked with were anything that would please the Lord.
Terry

ShieldsFamily wrote: 

Jd,
your lack of understanding of the Jews is appalling, as demonstrated by every
post you write about them. Why not try learning about them instead of
speculating out of thin air? Im talking HUGE lack of
understandingHUGE! iz











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Probably no interest on this one, but I'll throw it
out there anyway.











Isreal claims ancestrythrough Abraham to
God. But there wasno Israel
from thebeginning of earth's history to around 1600 BC or so.












The Egyptians had their own culture, religion and
mythology. The Jews really had no national identity at
all. If if if the Egyptians had incorporated these people
into their society in the early years, there would have been no Israel
of God --- or, at the very least, Egyptian mythology
and culture would have survived in Israel.
But, the very fact of continued bondage IMO created an us
versus them psychology that prevented Israel
from being lost in the sea
 of Egyptian
nuance. 











Their escape from Egypt
was that of a people needing Divine help at the most basic
levels of national existence. . They had no law or national
structure. Their God of the past 400 years (of bondage) was a
God of tradition and little more. We are talking about 2 to 3
million people (so some assert) leaving Egypt
with absolutely no where to go, no way to survive militarily , a
culture of bondage and defeat as the National Story, And when they
got to the Red
 Sea, reality hit them between the
eyes. This defeatist attitude becomes a part of their tradition and
, perhaps, is an aspect of their repeated rebellion. It is
almost as if they are the Divine Stepchild and they really
don'tcare forthisidentiy. Does this
have anything to do with fact that do not approach God as Father
God ?? 











And what is Moses doing with the writing of Genesis if
not collecting the oral traditions in an effort at presenting Iseal (this
brandnew nation) with a history that it can claim as its own???
Perhaps he begins with the Beginning because this was the perfect place
to start. .. contrasting the
Egyptian mythologies of the beginnings of man with an account of a sovereign
God and His creation. These Jews, freah out of Egypt,
most definitely knew of the Egyptian stories. The contrast would
have been startling. 











Whatever.











jd

Re: [TruthTalk] TRUE CHRISTIANS SAY NO TO SATAN BEFORE IT MANIFESTS INTO SIN ...

  .. .  Lance Lobs one right over your head
 . .[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 12/13/2005 6:01:00 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Speaking ONLY of expressions on TT, may I ask ALL participants who have never sinned ON TT to identify themselves. IMO, NOT ONE HAS NOT SINNED ON TT ALONE NEVER MIND THEIR LIVES APART FROM TT.Good thought, Lance. But what about Dean? Maybe we better check and
 see if his mother's name was Mary, huh? 
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

BlainerbTWO: Crosses, or any other symbols of religious belief should never be denigrated. One of the weirdest songs I ever heard was The Old Rugged Cross. It seemed to glorify the cross in a negative way. I doubt the Lord even to this day is overly fond of that old rugged cross. :) BlainerbONE That star (Venus) symbolizes the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ," asit appears first in the evening, then gets lost (buried) behind the sun, and then later appearson the eastern horizon preceding the sun as the morning star. The symbolism is so much more precise and meaningful. All heresy comes from what man thinks devoid of What God HAS SAID! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Blainerb: Crosses, or any other symbols of religious belief should never be denigrated. But I still like stars better as symbols for Jesus Christ, especially "the Bright and Morning Star." That star (Venus) symbolizes the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ," asit appears first in the evening, then gets lost (buried) behind the sun, and then later appearson the eastern horizon preceding the sun as the morning star. The symbolism
is so much more precise and meaningful. In a message dated 12/13/2005 8:00:49 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Itâs because satan canât stand the Cross. Every true cult denigrates the Cross. izzyFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 5:35 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: Dave HansenSubject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Cross DH, I am surprised at your comments against the cross. Is your thinking the reason why you folks have a stick atop your buildings rather than a cross? jd__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: [TruthTalk] Congressional Medal of Honor--inverted pentagram

TWENTY FIVE Pictures of Military Medals and Flags are IRRELEVANT Please do not post TWENTY FIVE MOREAnswer the questions Why divining rods? Why secret handshakes like the sure sign of the NAIL? Why do you have satanic symbols? Seer Stones? Magic Parchments? Magic Circles? Black Sheep Sacrificed? More on request[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Blainerb: I guess I will have to spell it out for Kevin. He doesn't seem to get it. It goes like this: If the top brass in the Honorable US military can use inverted pentagrams
for the nation's highest honor medal, without worrying about being accused of indulging in Satanism, how is it that Mormon higher-ups cannot do the same? As I have said, I like stars better than crosses for symbols of Jesus Christ anyway. Apparently the designers of Mormon temples do too. In a message dated 12/13/2005 8:55:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:The US Military is not the SOURCE of ALL Truth nor the RESTORATION of such.As the conduit of Truth for all men of what significance are Inverted Pentagrams on the LDS Temples?Why did the symbology of the OT Jewish Temple point
at ALL Times to a SACRIFICE? Where are the "star symbols" on the temple talked about in the Bible? Chap Verse?Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Three different United States Medals of Honor currently exist, one each for the Army, Navy, and Air Force.Blainerb: According to Kevin, the Medals of Honor shown here should be classified as symbols of Satanism, since they are inverted
pentagrams!!!

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Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

You OFFEND Jesus ChristI almost thought you were serious in your Apology tillNow, if I may, I would like to ask for an apology from anyone who supported waving Mormon underclothing in public by the street preachers at general conference in Salt Lake City. And, the same for those who more recently have denigrated Mormon handshakes, and other sacred symbols on TT. And the same for those who have insisted on spelling "Mormon" with a lower-case letter.:) What is fair is fair, huh? Blainerb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm, JD is right, denigrating the symbols of another's religious beliefs was wrong. I apologize--apparently I offended JD, although I did so unthinkingly and without intention. It just came off the top of my head. Sometimes we get too caught up in proving our opinions and beliefs are more valid than every one else's, and I think I may have done just that. Now, if I may, I would like to ask for an apology from anyone who supported waving Mormon underclothing in public by the street preachers at general conference in Salt Lake City. And, the same for those who more recently have denigrated Mormon handshakes, and other sacred symbols on TT. And the same for those who have insisted on spelling "Mormon" with a lower-case letter.:) What is
fair is fair, huh? BlainerbIn a message dated 12/13/2005 8:37:10 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Yes ! and , by the way, DH, your assessment of the world's point of view on this is neither accurate or relevant. and this statementborders on insulting:One of the weirdest songs I ever heard was The Old Rugged Cross. It seemed to glorify the cross in a negative way. I doubt the Lord even to this day is overly fond of that old rugged cross. :) Blainerb I have to say something here -- both of you have made it clear (and I
am not angry , by the way) that your stay here on TT has given you nothing in terms of reason for crossing over. Well, consider your failure in this regard, as well. With asmuchvariety as exists here amongst us Christians, you would think someone would consider the Mormon religion.But this latest discussion, while revealing, would surely close the door to any serious student of the Bible. To put down "death" and the "cross" is to simply miss the point of the life of Christ here on this earth .. and miss the mark by a wide margin !!! jd

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Re: [TruthTalk] Congressional Medal of Honor--inverted pentagram

worrying about being accused of indulging in SatanismGot a GUILTY CONSCIENCE? I never said you are indulging, just asked forty or fifty times Why do you have Satanic symbols on the temple? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Blainerb: I guess I will have to spell it out for Kevin. He doesn't seem to get it. It goes like this: If the top brass in the Honorable US military can use inverted pentagrams for the nation's highest honor
medal, without worrying about being accused of indulging in Satanism, how is it that Mormon higher-ups cannot do the same? As I have said, I like stars better than crosses for symbols of Jesus Christ anyway. Apparently the designers of Mormon temples do too. In a message dated 12/13/2005 8:55:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:The US Military is not the SOURCE of ALL Truth nor the RESTORATION of such.As the conduit of Truth for all men of what significance are Inverted Pentagrams on the LDS Temples?Why did the symbology of the OT Jewish Temple point at ALL Times to a
SACRIFICE? Where are the "star symbols" on the temple talked about in the Bible? Chap Verse?Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Three different United States Medals of Honor currently exist, one each for the Army, Navy, and Air Force.Blainerb: According to Kevin, the Medals of Honor shown here should be classified as symbols of Satanism, since they are inverted pentagrams!!!

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RE: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes









Very perceptive, jt. iz











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[TruthTalk] Beams and Motes







Because others may have a critical and
jaundiced eye does not necessarily mean there is sin in the object





or focus of such criticism - at times it
means the person looking needs to work on their own beam.











On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:34:43 -0500 Lance
Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:







EXATAMUNDO! I have long been mystified by such,
Terry.







From: Terry
Clifton 










I suspect that you are correct. Sometimes it is
hard to see ourselves as others see us.

Lance Muir wrote: 



How, you ask, did I figure that out, Terry? The same
way you did. ARE YOU, TERRY, UNAWARE, THAT SOME EXCLUDE THEMSELVES FROM THIS.?







From: Terry
Clifton 









Lance Muir wrote: 



Speaking ONLY of expressions on TT, may I ask ALL
participants who have never sinned ON TT to identify themselves. IMO, NOT ONE
HAS NOT SINNED ON TT ALONE NEVER MIND THEIR LIVES APART FROM TT.



DUH! How did you figure that out?
I can spot the sins in you other
guys every time you contribute.
Terry

















judyt

He that says I know Him and doesn't keep His Commandments

is a liar (1 John 2:4)

RE: Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evil