He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,  And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.  For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devilThe Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children. Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:
But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

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Yes  !   and , by the way,   DH, your assessment of the world's point of view on this is neither accurate or relevant.  
 
and this statement borders on insulting:    
One of the weirdest songs I ever heard was The Old Rugged Cross.  It seemed  to glorify the cross in a negative way.  I doubt the Lord even to this day is overly fond of that old rugged cross. :>)
Blainerb 
 
 
I have to say something here  --  both of you have made it clear  (and I am not angry , by the way)  that your stay here on TT has given you nothing in terms of reason for crossing over.   Well,   consider your failure in this regard, as well.   With as much  variety as exists here amongst us Christians,  you would think someone would consider the Mormon religion.  But this latest discussion, while revealing, would surely close the door to any serious student of the Bible.   To put down "death" and the "cross"  is to simply miss the point of the life of Christ here on this earth  ..............  and miss the mark by a wide margin  !!!  
 
jd
 
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From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I think that we have isolated the problem, Dave.  You seem to be thinking like the world instead of as a follower who has taken up the cross and died to self.
Terry

Dave Hansen wrote:
Those wearing one are sending a message that they follow Christ.

DAVEH:   Unfortunately, they naively fail to understand the message they are sending, IMHO.  As I've explained before, the world recognizes the cross as a symbol of death.  And for anybody familiar with the historical meaning of what the cross did to our Savior, why they would want to project a message of torture, suffering and death.........is simply incredible to me.




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