RE: [TruthTalk] Faith vs. Works
I dont think Satan can be bound in the same way as a demon. It is possible to bind a demon in the Name of Jesus and imprison it in the abyss so that it can no longer operate. If we could do this with Satan we would have no more problems with him. I wish we had such power available to us. Jesus cast legion into the herd of swine. However when He resisted Satan, the devil departed for a season, James Templeton -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 October 2002 18:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Faith vs. Works I agree. No one was suggesting we bind Satan with out own power. I disagree if you are saying we can't bind Satan though the power of the blood of Jesus. dont think it is a good idea to attempt to bind Satan. We can bind evil spirits, but concerning Satan we are told that even the archangel Michael only rebuked him, Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. The context speaks of those who were not afraid of Satans principalities and power, Jude 1:8 Likewise also these [filthy] dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. It is like the story of the little girl who heard the doorbell, but looked out and saw that it was Satan, so she knelt down and asked Jesus to answer the door. When she looked out again, Satan was gone. I know that Copeland urges people to bind Satan, but I think these verses are given to us for a reason. I suggest we can plead the blood of Jesus against Satan, James Templeton
RE: [TruthTalk] Faith vs. Works
I dont think it is a good idea to attempt to bind Satan. We can bind evil spirits, but concerning Satan we are told that even the archangel Michael only rebuked him, Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. The context speaks of those who were not afraid of Satans principalities and power, Jude 1:8 Likewise also these [filthy] dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. It is like the story of the little girl who heard the doorbell, but looked out and saw that it was Satan, so she knelt down and asked Jesus to answer the door. When she looked out again, Satan was gone. I know that Copeland urges people to bind Satan, but I think these verses are given to us for a reason. I suggest we can plead the blood of Jesus against Satan, James Templeton -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: 24 October 2002 13:21 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Faith vs. Works Are these the steps you have used that didnt work? ROTFL. Ive used them, too. They are very helpful. J Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Faith vs. Works Here's some ideas I read somewhere to use in our fight against sin. 1. Name you enemy, Satan. A. Bind him in the name of Jesus 2 Tim. 1:7 2. Use spiritual weapons. 2 Cor. 10:4 a. Speaking the name of Jesus b. Quoting the Bible 3. Expect to overcome sin Rom. 8:37 4. Feed your faith Jude 1:20 a. Through the Holy Spirit b. Through the pages of the Bible c. Listening to a man of God speak *5. Get a prayer partner Matt. 18:19 a. Consult your prayer partner Prov. 24:5-6 6. Listen to anointed music 1 Sam. 16:23 7. See your fight as a promotion James 1:12 8. Put on the whole armour of God Eph. 6:11 9. Find the problem people Rom. 16:17-18 10. Laugh Prov. 17:22 11. See the big picture 2 Cor. 4:17 That brings up something I have always wondered aboutwhy does dying finally make us perfect??? What happens between here and heaven to change us? Why cant we change it now, instead? Izzy
RE: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection
Dear Sister Laura, I agree with you. That is an excellent response, James Templeton -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 October 2002 12:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection When I took a class on cults we were taught to start with what the group taught about Jesus. If they didn't believe that Jesus was God the Son, born of the virgin Mary, and that he was crucified,dead and buried, rose again and will come again, then we should be suspicious. Laura The major reference Cults Reference Bible defines cults: A group of people polarized about the religious interpretations or teachings of a specific individual or organization. IT ALWAYS CLAIMS TO BE IN HARMONY WITH CHRISTIANITY, BUT IT ALWAYS ENDS UP DENYING THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE LORD GOD HIMSELF IN HUMAN FLESH. Cults redefine doctrinal terms to conform to their own deviant theology. They also say, We're in agreement with the basic Christian message. But when you start penetrating deeper into the system, you find out that there is an essential denial of the Person of Jesus Christ. Jesus to the Christian means God the Son, second Person of the Trinity. Jesus to the Jehovah's Witness connotes Michael the archangel, the first and mightiest creation of Jehovah God. Jesus to the Mormon signifies a polygamous offspring of another god and Mary, one god in a pantheon of gods. Jesus to the Christian Scientist is the divine Idea of God.
RE: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection
It would have been better if the word had been translated immerse in our Bibles rather than baptism, and this would have ruled many modern ceremonies which are called baptism, James Templeton -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 October 2002 17:27 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection Glenn this friend DavidM - You are really enjoyed this aren't you. :-) Glenn wrote: David, I can't comminute with you on this. You, my friend, Are so blinded on this subject it is unbelievable. Baptizio is NOT a translation but a compromise; a transliteration. They did not translate the word. Much learning has made thee mad on this. :-) I understand that the word baptize is basically a transliteration. But we have many words in the English language that are simply transliterated words. Nothing is unusual about that. All I was trying to say is that they didn't exactly transliterate the word, otherwise it would be baptizo. What they did was keep a word that already was common in English, which was a general transliteration, just like the word Peter is a transliteration of Greek. If you think that the word baptize was not part of the English language back then, you are mistaken. Is that what you think? Is that why we are having problems communicating? Peace be with you. David Miller.
RE: [TruthTalk] Faith vs. Works
I think our aim must always be perfection which we know is possible according to Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy. He wants us to be mature in this way, Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. This perfection is maturity. One of the problems in the early church was failure to grow in grace, 1 Corinthians 3:1-3, And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, [even] as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able [to bear it], neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas [there is] among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? The writer to Hebrews says something similar, Hebrews 5:12-13, For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which [be] the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk [is] unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, [even] those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. It is possible, but when we begin to says we have attained it there is a great danger of pride causing us to fall, so it is better to be like Paul who described life as a race, Philippians 3:9-14, And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but [this] one thing [I do], forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. The first resurrection is our goal. It is possible that some believers will be hurt by the second death because they have not yet attained this goal, 1 Corinthians 3:12-17, Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are. The fire which consumes the wood hay and stubble is His presence. However He also knows just how far we are from such perfection, and when promising the Holy Spirit to His disciples warned them that they were evil, like us, Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall [your] heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? We will get discouraged if we look at others and even ourselves, but instead let us claim His promise of the Holy Spirit and keep looking to Him continually for victory, James Templeton -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 October 2002 15:27 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Faith vs. Works I guess it depends upon how you look at it. I consider it encouraging to learn of the grace of God. To me it was like being let out of a shoebox in the middle of a huge parking lot. I tell it like it is. To me, it is encouraging to learn the truth about religious pride. We are looking at this differently I guess. To say Christians have to be perfect is discouraging to me. Glenn, I think if we WANT to, and CHOOSE to, by the grace of God we CAN. Im just trying to learn how to do this more reliably! Isnt this every Christians quest throughout life? You dont help me a bit by telling me this is an impossible goal, because nobody is perfect. You should encourage me in my quest for a holy life; not discourage me! (Something tells me that encouragement is not one of your spiritual giftsI am very discerning!) J Izzy
RE: [TruthTalk] True or False Test
Works relate to the kingdom, salvation is free James Templeton -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 October 2002 22:10 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] True or False Test Christian living is perfected by works. Salvation is not of works. Salvation is not perfected by works. I gave the Bible for this when I answered the true or false test. Back to the Bible. The Bible teaches that faith, which is a work of grace in our lives, is PERFECTED by works, NOT NULLIFIED BY WORKS. Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and BY WORKS WAS FAITH MADE PERFECT? (Jam 2:22)
