[TruthTalk] Dave, what does thi versemean to you?
Dave, will you tell us the mormon interpretation (or, at the very least, your interpretation) of the following verse? Exactly what is Paul trying to say here? 1 cor 9:14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel. Thanks, Perry -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Dave, what does thi versemean to you?
will you tell us the mormon interpretation (or, at the very least, your interpretation DAVEH: I'm not sure why you want to know my opinion on this, Perry. I thought you might prefer to delete my posts instead of responding to them, as you might think it would give me platform to preach Mormonism. :-) I don't see that Paul's mission was any different than the current day apostle of the LDS Church. He/they are a special witness of our Lord, Jesus Christ. I view their missions as being to testify of Jesus to as many people as they can. To do that efficiently, requires that they not tarry much to perform baptisms. That may have been particularly pertinent to Paul, as I suspect finding bodies of water sufficient for immersive baptisms would have occupied a fair amount of his time in an arid climate without the modern transportation conveniences we have now. Even so, baptisms can easily be performed by those given the authority to do so who are not so time constrained, which is the case now as it was in Jesus' time. We do not have record of our Lord performing baptisms, yet he set the example by being baptized himself. Why would we expect Paul (or latter-day apostles) to be any different? Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, will you tell us the mormon interpretation (or, at the very least, your interpretation) of the following verse? Exactly what is Paul trying to say here? 1 cor 9:14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel. Thanks, Perry -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
Re: [TruthTalk] Dave, what does thi versemean to you?
DaveH wrote: I don't see that Paul's mission was any different than the current day apostle of the LDS Church. He/they are a special witness of our Lord, Jesus Christ. Dave, do the present day apostles in the LDS organization travel and experience the kinds of apostolic signs and wonders that Paul did? When I asked Blaine about his testimony of miracles, it became a kind of second person thing, not things that he directly witnessed. I seem to remember you mentioning meeting one of the apostles before. Did you witness any kind of special miracles like what we read about in Scriptures? Does the Mormon church report your apostles raising the dead or healing the sick regularly? Do the sick line up at their meetings hoping for a healing? What are the modern apostolic meetings like in your church? Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Dave, what does thi versemean to you?
What is the point in asking questions, DavidM, to which you already know the answer? - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 02, 2006 10:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dave, what does thi versemean to you? DaveH wrote: I don't see that Paul's mission was any different than the current day apostle of the LDS Church. He/they are a special witness of our Lord, Jesus Christ. Dave, do the present day apostles in the LDS organization travel and experience the kinds of apostolic signs and wonders that Paul did? When I asked Blaine about his testimony of miracles, it became a kind of second person thing, not things that he directly witnessed. I seem to remember you mentioning meeting one of the apostles before. Did you witness any kind of special miracles like what we read about in Scriptures? Does the Mormon church report your apostles raising the dead or healing the sick regularly? Do the sick line up at their meetings hoping for a healing? What are the modern apostolic meetings like in your church? Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Dave, what does thi versemean to you?
It's what good lawyers do - and you watch Lance, He will win the case :-) On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:00:17 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is the point in asking questions, DavidM, to which you already know the answer? - Original Message - From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 02, 2006 10:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dave, what does thi versemean to you?DaveH wrote: I don't see that Paul's mission was any different than the current day apostle of the LDS Church. He/they are a special witness of our Lord, Jesus Christ. Dave, do the present day apostles in the LDS organization travel and experience the kinds of apostolic signs and wonders that Paul did? When I asked Blaine about his testimony of miracles, it became a kind of second person thing, not things that he directly witnessed. I seem to remember you mentioning meeting one of the apostles before. Did you witness any kind of special miracles like what we read about in Scriptures? Does the Mormon church report your apostles raising the dead or healing the sick regularly? Do the sick line up at their meetings hoping for a healing? What are the modern apostolic meetings like in your church? Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Dave, what does thi versemean to you?
If he is seeking to 'win the case' Judy, then indeed he may. This would be a truncated objective. (I like that word today) THEOLOGICAL ARM WRESTLING is best left to those who seem to have the time for it. (DavidM CharlesPL) They actually seem to believe that they are engaged in something worthwhile. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 02, 2006 11:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dave, what does thi versemean to you? It's what good lawyers do - and you watch Lance, He will win the case :-) On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:00:17 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is the point in asking questions, DavidM, to which you already know the answer? - Original Message - From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 02, 2006 10:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dave, what does thi versemean to you?DaveH wrote: I don't see that Paul's mission was any different than the current day apostle of the LDS Church. He/they are a special witness of our Lord, Jesus Christ. Dave, do the present day apostles in the LDS organization travel and experience the kinds of apostolic signs and wonders that Paul did? When I asked Blaine about his testimony of miracles, it became a kind of second person thing, not things that he directly witnessed. I seem to remember you mentioning meeting one of the apostles before. Did you witness any kind of special miracles like what we read about in Scriptures? Does the Mormon church report your apostles raising the dead or healing the sick regularly? Do the sick line up at their meetings hoping for a healing? What are the modern apostolic meetings like in your church? Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Dave, what does thi versemean to you?
I will not judge their motives but they are at least
attempting to communicate in a lucid fashion which is more than
can be said for certain other unnamed ones I can think
of.
On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:11:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If he is seeking to 'win the case' Judy, then
indeed he may. This would be a truncated objective. (I like that word today)
THEOLOGICAL ARM WRESTLING is best left to those who seem to have the time for
it. (DavidM CharlesPL) They actually seem to believe that they are
engaged in something worthwhile.
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 02, 2006 11:02
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dave, what
does thi versemean to you?
It's what good lawyers do - and you watch
Lance,
He will win the case :-)
On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:00:17 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes: What is the point in asking questions, DavidM, to which you
already know the answer? -
Original Message - From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 02, 2006 10:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dave, what
does thi versemean to you?DaveH
wrote: I don't see that Paul's mission was any different
than the current day apostle of the LDS Church.
He/they are a special witness of our Lord, Jesus
Christ. Dave, do the present day apostles in the
LDS organization travel and experience the kinds of
apostolic signs and wonders that Paul did? When I
asked Blaine about his testimony of miracles, it became a kind of
second person thing, not things that he directly
witnessed. I seem to remember you
mentioning meeting one of the apostles before. Did you witness
any kind of special miracles like what
we read about in Scriptures? Does the Mormon
church report your apostles raising the dead or healing the sick
regularly? Do the sick line up at their meetings hoping
for a healing? What are the modern apostolic
meetings like in your church? Peace be with
you. David Miller. --
"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that
you may know how you ought to answer every
man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org
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Re: [TruthTalk] Dave, what does thi versemean to you?
No! C'mon Judy, let's name 'em. It's Lance isn't
it?
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 02, 2006 11:22
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dave, what does
thi versemean to you?
I will not judge their motives but they are at least
attempting to communicate in a lucid fashion which is more than
can be said for certain other unnamed ones I can
think of.
On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:11:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
If he is seeking to 'win the case' Judy, then
indeed he may. This would be a truncated objective. (I like that word today)
THEOLOGICAL ARM WRESTLING is best left to those who seem to have the time
for it. (DavidM CharlesPL) They actually seem to believe that they are
engaged in something worthwhile.
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 02, 2006 11:02
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dave, what
does thi versemean to you?
It's what good lawyers do - and you watch
Lance,
He will win the case :-)
On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:00:17 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes: What is the point in asking questions, DavidM, to which
you already know the answer?
- Original Message - From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 02, 2006 10:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dave, what
does thi versemean to you?DaveH
wrote: I don't see that Paul's mission was any different
than the current day apostle of the LDS Church.
He/they are a special witness of our Lord, Jesus
Christ. Dave, do the present day apostles in the
LDS organization travel and experience the kinds of
apostolic signs and wonders that Paul did? When I
asked Blaine about his testimony of miracles, it became a kind of
second person thing, not things that he directly
witnessed. I seem to remember you
mentioning meeting one of the apostles before. Did you witness
any kind of special miracles like what
we read about in Scriptures? Does the Mormon
church report your apostles raising the dead or healing the sick
regularly? Do the sick line up at their meetings hoping
for a healing? What are the modern apostolic
meetings like in your church? Peace be with
you. David Miller.
-- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned
with salt, that you may know how you ought to
answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org
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Re: [TruthTalk] Dave, what does thi versemean to you?
Dave, do the present day apostles in the LDS organization travel and experience the kinds of apostolic signs and wonders that Paul did? DAVEH: I believe it happens, but as Blaine also mentioned.I do not have personal experience or direct witness of such. I seem to remember you mentioning meeting one of the apostles before. DAVEH: I had an interview with Spencer W Kimble while on my mission in England about 36 years ago. Not only was he an apostle, but eventually became the prophet of the Church prior to his death. The interview occurred right at about noon, and he asked me if I'd mind chatting with him while he ate lunch. I said it would be no problem, and he reached beneath the table and picked up a paper bag, which had a homemade sandwich in it which he then proceeded to eat. I think he had a piece of fruit as well, but I really don't remember for sure. It was a relatively interesting experience for me that probably doesn't happen to many LDS kids. I was bragging about that experience (I've since repented!) to a group of brethren at Church once, and a good friend of mine topped my experience a hundredfold. He was in a neighboring mission (in London) at the same time, and because of his diligence in his work, he was invited out to a steak dinner with SWK shortly after he left our mission. I don't know why I needed to share that with all of TT, as I suspect like you found with Lance, others might mock the special experiences we have.and, I rather found my (and my friend's) experience with SWK to be a little bit special. Did you witness any kind of special miracles like what we read about in Scriptures? DAVEH: No. And if I had, I'd be very reluctant to share it on TT. Does the Mormon church report your apostles raising the dead or healing the sick regularly? DAVEH: No, the details of such things are rarely discussed, except by word of mouth. Do the sick line up at their meetings hoping for a healing? DAVEH: No, such things are almost always done in private. What are the modern apostolic meetings like in your church? DAVEH: Typically, the General Authorities (which may include leaders other than the apostles) meet in mass meetings once a year or so for each area. The last one I attended was held in the Rose Garden, which is one of the few places locally that can easily accommodate upwards of 20k. Basically, the fly in for a day or so, and have a couple large meetings in the area, and I suspect they have a few smaller ones as well, but I have not been privy to any of them, except for some interesting anecdotal stories that I've heard over the years. We do have two General Conferences each year, as you might know. That allows the gospel to be taught to the LDS folks without the need for so much travel involved. With the ease of modern communications, it is easy for most (American, anyway) LDS folks to see and hear the testimonies of the apostles twice a year. Have you ever watched one of the Conferences on TV? I'm pretty sure you would find them quite different than anything you might experience in the Protestant realm. If anything, you might find them a bit boring, as they do not try to put on a show or turn their messages into a form of entertainment. David Miller wrote: DaveH wrote: I don't see that Paul's mission was any different than the current day apostle of the LDS Church. He/they are a special witness of our Lord, Jesus Christ. Dave, do the present day apostles in the LDS organization travel and experience the kinds of apostolic signs and wonders that Paul did? When I asked Blaine about his testimony of miracles, it became a kind of second person thing, not things that he directly witnessed. I seem to remember you mentioning meeting one of the apostles before. Did you witness any kind of special miracles like what we read about in Scriptures? Does the Mormon church report your apostles raising the dead or healing the sick regularly? Do the sick line up at their meetings hoping for a healing? What are the modern apostolic meetings like in your church? Peace be with you. David Miller. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
