On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Joe Touch wrote:
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> If you KNOW that the app keepalive will cause the TCP transmission, sure -
> but how do you KNOW that? You don't and can't. Even if you
On 2018-08-17 14:13, Tom Herbert wrote:
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>> If you KNOW that the app keepalive will cause the TCP transmission, sure -
>> but how do you KNOW that? You don't and can't. Even if you write to the TCP
>> socket, all you know when the socket
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Joe Touch wrote:
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> On 2018-08-17 11:43, Tom Herbert wrote:The purpose of an application keep
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> it's to verify the end to end liveness between application end points.
> This is at a much higher layer, verifying
On 2018-08-17 11:43, Tom Herbert wrote:The purpose of an application
keep alive is not to do favors for TCP,
> it's to verify the end to end liveness between application end points.
> This is at a much higher layer, verifying liveness of the TCP
> connection is a side effect.
Sure - that's fine
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Joe Touch wrote:
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> It's not subtle. There's no way to know whether keepalives at a higher level
> have any desired affect at the lower level at all
On 2018-08-17 09:05, Tom Herbert wrote:
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>> It's not subtle. There's no way to know whether keepalives at a higher level
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>> to trace the packets sent.
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On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 7:40 AM, Joe Touch wrote:
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>> On Aug 16, 2018, at 3:57 PM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
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> Keepalives at a layer SHOULD NOT be interpreted as
> On Aug 16, 2018, at 3:57 PM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
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Keepalives at a layer SHOULD NOT be interpreted as implying state at
any other layer.
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>>> What's
