Re: Build structure - having cake and still eating

2007-03-26 Thread ant elder
On 3/24/07, ant elder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/24/07, Luciano Resende [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I give up on this, and I'll try not bring this subject up anymore !!! Don't give up, its important to get to the build we think is the best for Tuscany. I think the crux of the

Re: Build structure - having cake and still eating

2007-03-24 Thread Davanum Srinivas
- From: Luciano Resende [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 March 2007 00:05 To: tuscany-dev@ws.apache.org Subject: Re: Build structure - having cake and still eating OK, I give up on this, and I'll try not bring this subject up anymore !!! I'll continue with my hijacked java/pom.xml and update

Ways of working together [was - RE: Build structure - having cake and still eating]

2007-03-24 Thread Meeraj Kunnumpurath
To: tuscany-dev@ws.apache.org Subject: Re: Build structure - having cake and still eating Meeraj, Using assemblies is ok. It does not have to be published. Once everyone is in the same bandwagon, then it's ok to publish. Till then, please find a way to work with assemblies w/o having

Re: Build structure - having cake and still eating

2007-03-24 Thread Jeremy Boynes
On Mar 24, 2007, at 6:30 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: Using assemblies is ok. It does not have to be published. Once everyone is in the same bandwagon, then it's ok to publish. Till then, please find a way to work with assemblies w/o having to rely on published artifacts. If this is a maven

Re: Ways of working together [was - RE: Build structure - having cake and still eating]

2007-03-24 Thread Davanum Srinivas
: Build structure - having cake and still eating Meeraj, Using assemblies is ok. It does not have to be published. Once everyone is in the same bandwagon, then it's ok to publish. Till then, please find a way to work with assemblies w/o having to rely on published artifacts

Re: Build structure - having cake and still eating

2007-03-23 Thread Luciano Resende
Hi Jeremy For the assembly proposal, are you suggesting something like : https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/tuscany/sandbox/lresende/sca/distribution/tss-sample/ -- Luciano Resende http://people.apache.org/~lresende On 3/22/07, Davanum Srinivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeremy,

Re: Build structure - having cake and still eating

2007-03-23 Thread Jeremy Boynes
On Mar 23, 2007, at 2:11 AM, Luciano Resende wrote: Hi Jeremy For the assembly proposal, are you suggesting something like : https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/tuscany/sandbox/lresende/ sca/distribution/tss-sample/ Something like that, yeah. You want to rely on things that are

Re: Build structure - having cake and still eating

2007-03-23 Thread Luciano Resende
Jeremy So, having these assemblies modules sounded interesting to me until the moment you said you want to base them on deployed artifacts... we have never had a habit of publishing SNAPSHOTS for all possible artifacts, and even the members of the community that are proposing this approach are

Re: Build structure - having cake and still eating

2007-03-23 Thread Jeremy Boynes
On Mar 23, 2007, at 2:16 PM, Luciano Resende wrote: Jeremy So, having these assemblies modules sounded interesting to me until the moment you said you want to base them on deployed artifacts... we have never had a habit of publishing SNAPSHOTS for all possible artifacts, and even the

Re: Build structure - having cake and still eating

2007-03-23 Thread Luciano Resende
OK, I give up on this, and I'll try not bring this subject up anymore !!! I'll continue with my hijacked java/pom.xml and update it as needed, I just feel sorry for the new people that will come to the Tuscany community and will fill the same pain as Mario and others. Just in case others might

Re: Build structure - having cake and still eating

2007-03-23 Thread ant elder
On 3/24/07, Luciano Resende [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I give up on this, and I'll try not bring this subject up anymore !!! Don't give up, its important to get to the build we think is the best for Tuscany. I think the crux of the problem was said in the previous email - we can't see how

Re: Build structure - having cake and still eating

2007-03-23 Thread Davanum Srinivas
+1 to move back to single version and a project you can build from the top with mvn On 3/23/07, ant elder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/24/07, Luciano Resende [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I give up on this, and I'll try not bring this subject up anymore !!! Don't give up, its important to

RE: Build structure - having cake and still eating

2007-03-23 Thread Meeraj Kunnumpurath
interest of the community and the project. ta Meeraj -Original Message- From: Luciano Resende [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 March 2007 00:05 To: tuscany-dev@ws.apache.org Subject: Re: Build structure - having cake and still eating OK, I give up on this, and I'll try not bring

Build structure - having cake and still eating

2007-03-22 Thread Jeremy Boynes
We know from M2 experience and the number of profiles in the integration branch that a top-down, build-everything approach does not work. We also know from practical experience that people struggle building modules. I believe there is a middle ground that supports both approaches; * have

Re: Build structure - having cake and still eating

2007-03-22 Thread Raymond Feng
a relative path for the module will work. Thanks, Raymond - Original Message - From: Jeremy Boynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tuscany-dev@ws.apache.org Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: Build structure - having cake and still eating We know from M2 experience and the number

Re: Build structure - having cake and still eating

2007-03-22 Thread Jeremy Boynes
On Mar 22, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Raymond Feng wrote: +1. I think it's in line with the proposal in my response to Meeraj. One question: For a bundle to reference a module in the Tuscany source tree, do we really have to copy (or use svn:externals property) if it points to a location (under

Re: Build structure - having cake and still eating

2007-03-22 Thread Simon Laws
On 3/22/07, Jeremy Boynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 22, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Raymond Feng wrote: +1. I think it's in line with the proposal in my response to Meeraj. One question: For a bundle to reference a module in the Tuscany source tree, do we really have to copy (or use

Re: Build structure - having cake and still eating

2007-03-22 Thread Raymond Feng
- From: Jeremy Boynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tuscany-dev@ws.apache.org Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:34 AM Subject: Re: Build structure - having cake and still eating On Mar 22, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Raymond Feng wrote: +1. I think it's in line with the proposal in my response to Meeraj. One

Re: Build structure - having cake and still eating

2007-03-22 Thread Jeremy Boynes
On Mar 22, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Simon Laws wrote: stupidquestion When you talk about flattening the module hierarchy do you mean this literally in svn (which I like the sound of as I can never find anything in all the nested dirs - my inexperience showing) or is this some virtual flattening?

Re: Build structure - having cake and still eating

2007-03-22 Thread Simon Laws
On 3/22/07, Jeremy Boynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 22, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Simon Laws wrote: stupidquestion When you talk about flattening the module hierarchy do you mean this literally in svn (which I like the sound of as I can never find anything in all the nested dirs - my

Re: Build structure - having cake and still eating

2007-03-22 Thread Jeremy Boynes
On Mar 22, 2007, at 12:31 PM, Simon Laws wrote: Jeremy. This sounds like a simpler approach than what is there now. I like the idea but a question. 1) move everything that does not logical depend on org.apache.tuscany:sca:1.0-incubating to contrib from your previous definition do you mean

Re: Build structure - having cake and still eating

2007-03-22 Thread Simon Laws
On 3/22/07, Jeremy Boynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 22, 2007, at 12:31 PM, Simon Laws wrote: Jeremy. This sounds like a simpler approach than what is there now. I like the idea but a question. 1) move everything that does not logical depend on org.apache.tuscany:sca:1.0-incubating

Re: Build structure - having cake and still eating

2007-03-22 Thread Jim Marino
structure - having cake and still eating We know from M2 experience and the number of profiles in the integration branch that a top-down, build-everything approach does not work. We also know from practical experience that people struggle building modules. I believe there is a middle

Re: Build structure - having cake and still eating

2007-03-22 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Jeremy, I'd like to see some progress on the community front! Let's see this approach agreed upon and fleshed out a bit more. thanks, dims On 3/22/07, Jeremy Boynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 22, 2007, at 12:31 PM, Simon Laws wrote: Jeremy. This sounds like a simpler approach than what

Re: Build structure - having cake and still eating

2007-03-22 Thread Jeremy Boynes
OK. If we're going to hold the vote, I'll pull the candidate artifacts. We can republish them later. That does mean that everyone will need to install the sca parent pom from the tag in SVN before any of the modules in trunk will build. -- Jeremy On Mar 22, 2007, at 5:27 PM, Davanum

Re: Build structure - having cake and still eating

2007-03-22 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Jeremy, Please take a look at axis2 poms and geronimo poms. you don't need to install the parent pom before building modules. you can specify relative path to the parent. -- dims On 3/22/07, Jeremy Boynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK. If we're going to hold the vote, I'll pull the candidate