Re: [TV orNotTV] 2020 Oscar Ratings: Viewership Hits All-Time Low With 23.6 Million – Deadline

[PGage]

The Oscars are and always have been almost nothing but hype machines, maybe
less so now than at other times in their history.  Of course they are not a
very effective or efficient way for either serious or casual consumers of
popular entertainment to identify the best films or performances of the
year. Every year there are at least as many good or better alternatives not
even nominated, and the winners more often than not are determined by
factors other than actual quality.

It is much more a celebration of middle brow popular culture than
excellence in film making. But I both enjoy and am interested in middle
brow popular culture. I like seeing Tom Hanks and Robert Di Niro, Meryl
Streep and Scarlet Johansson. I also like hearing what the set designers
and make up artists and documentary short directors have to say when they
find themselves with 45 seconds in front of the largest audience in the
world. I love films like 1917 and The Two Popes, and am interested in what
it means culturally when films like Marriage Story and performances like
those given this year by Laura Dern and Jauquin Phoenix, which I found
unremarkable and obnoxiously mannered, become fetishized by a large
consensus of middle brow cultural tastemakers, and what that might say
about the culture, or alternatively about the more mundane dynamics of the
film community, which while so visible and influential is in many respects
like a convention of insurance (or paper) salesmen.  I grew up in Los
Angeles, and while was never part of the film community had friends who
were, and had some sense each year of the minor and sometimes major ebbs
and flows that echo out of the Oscars each year for famous stars (who often
care even more than we might imagine about winning) and minimum wage
staffers on various production crews or talent agencies.

I am never put off by how excessive the fashion, fashionable the politics,
self-congratulatory and indulgent the speeches or long the show, because
that’s what the show is, and if viewers are not into that then they should
just get the winners on Twitter and stop complaining. Which is what
apparently more and more people are doing (well, they still complain even
when they don’t watch the show) hence this thread. But still not enough to
stop this from being the most watched TV show of the year.

I also like that this year I guessed 22 of the 24 winners correctly (Damn
the Koreans!) and won the pool played in by a group of friends and family
every year.

On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 6:01 AM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 12:12 AM PGage  wrote:
>
>>
>> OTOH, I like the Oscars, haven’t missed it in 50 years. Ratings may have
>> gone down this year, but I thought the Show was above average (the moment
>> when Bong name checked Scorsese was a top ten Highlight Acceptance Speech
>> moment, and Joaquin’s cow rape speech was one of the top ten Bizarre
>> Acceptance Speech moment)
>>
>
> My antipathy for award shows comes from a resistance I developed to hype.
> In some of my reflective leisure moments I use the infinitive archive of
> the internet to sample shows, movies, and music I decided I had no use for
> when they came out. Often the product was fine but the intensity of the
> hype around it made me resist giving it any real attention. As show
> business recognizes the awards as a marketing opportunity the shows serve
> as hype machines.
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[TV orNotTV] TV Academy to launch its own streaming service

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

Which is definitely looking at showing the Daytime Emmys, long gone from 
broadcast and more recently from cable nets, and likely other events that 
don't have major distributions...

https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/daytime-emmys-tv-streaming-app-national-academy-television-arts-sciences-1203502144/
 
(link)

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Re: [TV orNotTV] TV Academy to launch its own streaming service

[Adam Bowie]

Why don't they just put it all on their own YouTube channel? They could
broadcast live when necessary. Also, they wouldn't need to build an app
" in order to be available on web, mobile, and major settop platforms
including Apple TV, Roku, Chromecast, Fire stick and Android TV."

YouTube is already on all those things.

Seems like a lot of expense and effort to build something
mostly unnecessary...

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> Which is definitely looking at showing the Daytime Emmys, long gone from
> broadcast and more recently from cable nets, and likely other events that
> don't have major distributions...
>
>
> https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/daytime-emmys-tv-streaming-app-national-academy-television-arts-sciences-1203502144/
> (link)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] TV Academy to launch its own streaming service

[Adam Bowie]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 3:20 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 7:08 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>
>> Why don't they just put it all on their own YouTube channel? They could
>> broadcast live when necessary. Also, they wouldn't need to build an app
>> " in order to be available on web, mobile, and major settop platforms
>> including Apple TV, Roku, Chromecast, Fire stick and Android TV."
>>
>> YouTube is already on all those things.
>>
>> Seems like a lot of expense and effort to build something
>> mostly unnecessary...
>>
>
> I’ve been hearing rumors recently... scuttlebutt... gossip... and other
> reliable unreliable sources, that the industry is starting to resent
> YouTube’s dominance in the online video world (it recently boasted record
> profits in the billions)...
>
>
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/02/alphabet-chief-lifts-the-covers-on-earnings/?amp=1
>
> ... except for a few cases, none of that money will ever see its way back
> to content creators. So the thought process goes, if everybody has their
> own apps, they can all pull their “official” content off YouTube, then
> threaten to sue unless they pull all their unofficial content. While
> audiences might reject losing their free access to content, the industry
> trend is supporting putting more behind a paywall, so the risk might pay
> off.
>

I'm certain that you're right and that some organisations don't want to let
YouTube dominate. Although how many of them are now re-selling their
channels via things like Apple TV+ is another question.

But for a fairly niche platform that can't hope to charge a subscription,
the idea that you would go out, build your own app that works across lots
of popular platforms, then persuade people to install it, to watch your one
show a year that has such a small audience that no cable channel can be
bothered to cover it, seems utter madness. I also think they're going to be
disappointed when they discover that the number of people interested in
watching a funny bit from the Emmys ten years ago is not exactly massive.

I could *possibly* see wider interest if the Academy were, say, hosting and
recording lots of Q with stars and creators, or panel discussions on
various relevant subjects that TV/media types might be interested in
seeing. But there's no mention of that.

Still with "peak TV" the Academy is probably rolling in cash from all those
awards entry fees and can build its own platform regardless of audience
demand!

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[TV orNotTV] Re: Review: "The Irishman" on Netflix

[M-D November]

I watched "The Irishman" a few weeks back over three consecutive nights.  
Honestly, it struck me as being "Casino" with less interesting characters.  But 
my main issue was the director's inability (or unwillingness) to self-edit; the 
whole thing felt very self-indulgent.  There were whole scenes that could have 
been edited out without affecting the story - including a solid 30 seconds of 
Pesci & DeNiro just staring at each other from across a nightclub table.  I was 
(half-)joking on Oscar night that I'd like to download the film and edit it 
down to just the stuff that drives the story forward, and call it the "Get to 
the F**KING POINT ALREADY" edition.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] TV Academy to launch its own streaming service

[Kevin M.]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 7:57 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 3:20 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 7:08 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>>
>>> Why don't they just put it all on their own YouTube channel? They could
>>> broadcast live when necessary. Also, they wouldn't need to build an app
>>> " in order to be available on web, mobile, and major settop platforms
>>> including Apple TV, Roku, Chromecast, Fire stick and Android TV."
>>>
>>> YouTube is already on all those things.
>>>
>>> Seems like a lot of expense and effort to build something
>>> mostly unnecessary...
>>>
>>
>> I’ve been hearing rumors recently... scuttlebutt... gossip... and other
>> reliable unreliable sources, that the industry is starting to resent
>> YouTube’s dominance in the online video world (it recently boasted record
>> profits in the billions)...
>>
>>
>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/02/alphabet-chief-lifts-the-covers-on-earnings/?amp=1
>>
>> ... except for a few cases, none of that money will ever see its way back
>> to content creators. So the thought process goes, if everybody has their
>> own apps, they can all pull their “official” content off YouTube, then
>> threaten to sue unless they pull all their unofficial content. While
>> audiences might reject losing their free access to content, the industry
>> trend is supporting putting more behind a paywall, so the risk might pay
>> off.
>>
>
> I'm certain that you're right and that some organisations don't want to
> let YouTube dominate. Although how many of them are now re-selling their
> channels via things like Apple TV+ is another question.
>
> But for a fairly niche platform that can't hope to charge a subscription,
> the idea that you would go out, build your own app that works across lots
> of popular platforms, then persuade people to install it, to watch your one
> show a year that has such a small audience that no cable channel can be
> bothered to cover it, seems utter madness. I also think they're going to be
> disappointed when they discover that the number of people interested in
> watching a funny bit from the Emmys ten years ago is not exactly massive.
>

When the dot-com bubble burst (the first time), it was because literally
everybody poured money into websites because they didn’t want to be a
company seen as behind the times. Even if the websites served no purpose,
money oozed into them. That’s where we are with apps now... nobody wants to
be seen as the old guy on the porch shouting things like “the internet is a
series of tubes”... so there has to be “an app for that.” There will be
another tech bubble burst, sooner rather than later... especially if
companies like Uber and Lyft fail to make a profit next year, which is
expected. Until then, apps for everybody! You get an app and you get an app
and you get an app!


> I could *possibly* see wider interest if the Academy were, say, hosting
> and recording lots of Q with stars and creators, or panel discussions on
> various relevant subjects that TV/media types might be interested in
> seeing. But there's no mention of that.
>
> Still with "peak TV" the Academy is probably rolling in cash from all
> those awards entry fees and can build its own platform regardless of
> audience demand!
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] TV Academy to launch its own streaming service

[Kevin M.]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 7:08 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:

> Why don't they just put it all on their own YouTube channel? They could
> broadcast live when necessary. Also, they wouldn't need to build an app
> " in order to be available on web, mobile, and major settop platforms
> including Apple TV, Roku, Chromecast, Fire stick and Android TV."
>
> YouTube is already on all those things.
>
> Seems like a lot of expense and effort to build something
> mostly unnecessary...
>

I’ve been hearing rumors recently... scuttlebutt... gossip... and other
reliable unreliable sources, that the industry is starting to resent
YouTube’s dominance in the online video world (it recently boasted record
profits in the billions)...

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/02/alphabet-chief-lifts-the-covers-on-earnings/?amp=1

... except for a few cases, none of that money will ever see its way back
to content creators. So the thought process goes, if everybody has their
own apps, they can all pull their “official” content off YouTube, then
threaten to sue unless they pull all their unofficial content. While
audiences might reject losing their free access to content, the industry
trend is supporting putting more behind a paywall, so the risk might pay
off.


> On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 2:55 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Which is definitely looking at showing the Daytime Emmys, long gone from
>> broadcast and more recently from cable nets, and likely other events that
>> don't have major distributions...
>>
>>
>> https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/daytime-emmys-tv-streaming-app-national-academy-television-arts-sciences-1203502144/
>> (link)
>>
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