Re: [TV orNotTV] The (ex)Chief and Dave
That Aaron Solomon also led (IIRC) a writers strike against Fremantle Media saying game show reality writes should be acknowledged, and paid, as such. Altho, given how my brain is working, that night be wrong too. Nah, I think that's right. At least it sounds familiar. ~D -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[TV orNotTV] Rivers Late Night Requiem
Rolling Stone provides clips of Dave,, Jimmy Kimmel, Jon Stewart, Craig Ferguson and Seth Meyers remembering Joan Rivers last night, and describes what Jimmy Fallon had to say: http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/videos/watch-david-letterman-conan-obrien-honor-joan-rivers-20140905 As usual, I like Dave's the best, though this is not really the same kind of national or at least pop-cultural tragedy we had been talking about in reference to the death of Robin Williams. Still, what I liked about Dave last night was how he found just about the right note in which to talk about her - not at all the tone he used for Williams, which was much more bittersweet, but just his appreciation and respect for a long-time trooper and pioneer. Paul's contribution was also nice, and not atypical of the kinds of things others are saying about her this week. I am not sure if Dave actually uses the word trooper much, but I think most fans watching him over the years would agree that this quality is among those that he has the most respect for in a performer. I think this is part of the misunderstanding of David Letterman by those who over-emphasize his Late Night years; yes he was deconstructing the late night talk show format, and taking the air of of celebrities and a culture that takes celebrity much too seriously, but it was always from a place of affection, and respect bordering on reverence, for the essence of the late night talk show pop-art form. And it is that respect which always seemed to me to be at the heart of his warm regard for Rivers over the years - even despite the ugly feud between her and Dave's real idol and friend. There are plenty of valid criticisms to make about Rivers (I made some just a few weeks ago here, paired with some admiration), but the interval between someone's death and funeral is not the best time to go into those in depth. I saw her stand up live in Vegas years ago, and while there was something hack about her show, there was also something that was just relentless and liberating about it. As I noted a while back, the documentary on Rivers (A Piece of Work) is well worth watching (it is a little older than I remembered - coming out in 2014) - the trailer is here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fnojZw54ls -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Rivers Late Night Requiem
Eighty-one, by the way, isn't that ... old anymore. Yeah. Not that old anymore. (turns to camera) Especially when you're 67. And when Dave delivered that line and got the laugh/applause, you could, for a brief moment, see why he's calling it quits. On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:22 AM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: Rolling Stone provides clips of Dave,, Jimmy Kimmel, Jon Stewart, Craig Ferguson and Seth Meyers remembering Joan Rivers last night, and describes what Jimmy Fallon had to say: http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/videos/watch-david-letterman-conan-obrien-honor-joan-rivers-20140905 As usual, I like Dave's the best, though this is not really the same kind of national or at least pop-cultural tragedy we had been talking about in reference to the death of Robin Williams. Still, what I liked about Dave last night was how he found just about the right note in which to talk about her - not at all the tone he used for Williams, which was much more bittersweet, but just his appreciation and respect for a long-time trooper and pioneer. Paul's contribution was also nice, and not atypical of the kinds of things others are saying about her this week. I am not sure if Dave actually uses the word trooper much, but I think most fans watching him over the years would agree that this quality is among those that he has the most respect for in a performer. I think this is part of the misunderstanding of David Letterman by those who over-emphasize his Late Night years; yes he was deconstructing the late night talk show format, and taking the air of of celebrities and a culture that takes celebrity much too seriously, but it was always from a place of affection, and respect bordering on reverence, for the essence of the late night talk show pop-art form. And it is that respect which always seemed to me to be at the heart of his warm regard for Rivers over the years - even despite the ugly feud between her and Dave's real idol and friend. There are plenty of valid criticisms to make about Rivers (I made some just a few weeks ago here, paired with some admiration), but the interval between someone's death and funeral is not the best time to go into those in depth. I saw her stand up live in Vegas years ago, and while there was something hack about her show, there was also something that was just relentless and liberating about it. As I noted a while back, the documentary on Rivers (A Piece of Work) is well worth watching (it is a little older than I remembered - coming out in 2014) - the trailer is here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fnojZw54ls -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] The (ex)Chief and Dave
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Jay Lewis lew...@nbnet.nb.ca wrote: I was a member of Aaron Solomon's Late Show News (and the ol Top 5 mailing list) some 20 years ago that got me wondering if The Chief has weighed in on Letterman's retirement. And how about any of the alt.fan.letterman'ers? Donz5, et al. Has there been any pontification from those folks on life Post-Dave? Facebook afl has some Late Show staff members participating. So people can go ahead and post any rumors they hear but they tend to be shot down. LS writer Bill Scheft posted on his own blog a couple of months ago that there were still ten months of show to do. I posted that on afl with a link and staffers commented that the end of the show had not been set. The only thing I heard that has any insider credibility was on a Carson Podcast http://carsonpodcast.com/tom-dreesen/ with Tom Dreesen. He said that Dave will be like Johnny - once he's off the air you'll never see him again. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [TV orNotTV] Joan Rivers Has Died
Anyone know if Johnny banned guests from The Tonight Show if they went on Joan’s Fox show? The question has come up in another discussion I’m having. It’s a rumor that’s new to me. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Rivers Late Night Requiem
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote: Eighty-one, by the way, isn't that ... old anymore. Yeah. Not that old anymore. (turns to camera) Especially when you're 67. And when Dave delivered that line and got the laugh/applause, you could, for a brief moment, see why he's calling it quits. There was a certain weariness in his delivery of that line. Oh and, of course, as I see my post now, the Rivers Doc came out in 2010, not 2014. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Rivers Late Night Requiem
I would guess that the difference in tone between Letterman's statements on Rivers and Williams might be due at least partly to the fact that Rivers' situation was almost a given after she went into a coma in the hospital and Williams happened out of the blue and was a total shock even to many who knew him. - Original Message - From: PGage To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 11:22 AM Subject: [TV orNotTV] Rivers Late Night Requiem Rolling Stone provides clips of Dave,, Jimmy Kimmel, Jon Stewart, Craig Ferguson and Seth Meyers remembering Joan Rivers last night, and describes what Jimmy Fallon had to say: http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/videos/watch-david-letterman-conan-obrien-honor-joan-rivers-20140905 As usual, I like Dave's the best, though this is not really the same kind of national or at least pop-cultural tragedy we had been talking about in reference to the death of Robin Williams. Still, what I liked about Dave last night was how he found just about the right note in which to talk about her - not at all the tone he used for Williams, which was much more bittersweet, but just his appreciation and respect for a long-time trooper and pioneer. Paul's contribution was also nice, and not atypical of the kinds of things others are saying about her this week. I am not sure if Dave actually uses the word trooper much, but I think most fans watching him over the years would agree that this quality is among those that he has the most respect for in a performer. I think this is part of the misunderstanding of David Letterman by those who over-emphasize his Late Night years; yes he was deconstructing the late night talk show format, and taking the air of of celebrities and a culture that takes celebrity much too seriously, but it was always from a place of affection, and respect bordering on reverence, for the essence of the late night talk show pop-art form. And it is that respect which always seemed to me to be at the heart of his warm regard for Rivers over the years - even despite the ugly feud between her and Dave's real idol and friend. There are plenty of valid criticisms to make about Rivers (I made some just a few weeks ago here, paired with some admiration), but the interval between someone's death and funeral is not the best time to go into those in depth. I saw her stand up live in Vegas years ago, and while there was something hack about her show, there was also something that was just relentless and liberating about it. As I noted a while back, the documentary on Rivers (A Piece of Work) is well worth watching (it is a little older than I remembered - coming out in 2014) - the trailer is here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fnojZw54ls -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8159 - Release Date: 09/05/14 -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Joan Rivers Has Died
I have a vague memory of that, but not to the point where I'd say Yeah, that's true. On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Melissa P takingupspace...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone know if Johnny banned guests from The Tonight Show if they went on Joan’s Fox show? The question has come up in another discussion I’m having. It’s a rumor that’s new to me. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Rivers Late Night Requiem
I disagree. Robin Williams was a peer to Dave. Robin Williams was *younger* than Dave. Rivers didn't have that much of a connection with Dave in terms of career paths, especially in her later years. I would have been very surprised if Dave did 10 minutes on Rivers. On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Bradford bradfo...@dwx.com wrote: I would guess that the difference in tone between Letterman's statements on Rivers and Williams might be due at least partly to the fact that Rivers' situation was almost a given after she went into a coma in the hospital and Williams happened out of the blue and was a total shock even to many who knew him. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Rivers Late Night Requiem
Sure that also came into play. (I did say due PARTLY to the fact...) But the reaction of most people I know when Rivers was rushed to the hospital was that it was all over for her whereas their reaction to Williams' death was shock and surprise because it seemed to come out of nowhere. - Original Message - From: Joe Hass To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] Rivers Late Night Requiem I disagree. Robin Williams was a peer to Dave. Robin Williams was *younger* than Dave. Rivers didn't have that much of a connection with Dave in terms of career paths, especially in her later years. I would have been very surprised if Dave did 10 minutes on Rivers. On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Bradford bradfo...@dwx.com wrote: I would guess that the difference in tone between Letterman's statements on Rivers and Williams might be due at least partly to the fact that Rivers' situation was almost a given after she went into a coma in the hospital and Williams happened out of the blue and was a total shock even to many who knew him. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8159 - Release Date: 09/05/14 -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Rivers Late Night Requiem
My apologies for skipping over that word. You're right: it does make a difference (though I was a little surprised at Rivers' death mostly because the implication I drew from my limited awareness was that she was stabilized. On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Bradford bradfo...@dwx.com wrote: Sure that also came into play. (I did say due PARTLY to the fact...) But the reaction of most people I know when Rivers was rushed to the hospital was that it was all over for her whereas their reaction to Williams' death was shock and surprise because it seemed to come out of nowhere. - Original Message - *From:* Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com *To:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Friday, September 05, 2014 1:15 PM *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] Rivers Late Night Requiem I disagree. Robin Williams was a peer to Dave. Robin Williams was *younger* than Dave. Rivers didn't have that much of a connection with Dave in terms of career paths, especially in her later years. I would have been very surprised if Dave did 10 minutes on Rivers. On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Bradford bradfo...@dwx.com wrote: I would guess that the difference in tone between Letterman's statements on Rivers and Williams might be due at least partly to the fact that Rivers' situation was almost a given after she went into a coma in the hospital and Williams happened out of the blue and was a total shock even to many who knew him. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8159 - Release Date: 09/05/14 -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] The (ex)Chief and Dave
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Tom Wolper twol...@gmail.com wrote: (SNIP) The only thing I heard that has any insider credibility was on a Carson Podcast http://carsonpodcast.com/tom-dreesen/ with Tom Dreesen. He said that Dave will be like Johnny - once he's off the air you'll never see him again. This is one of the more interesting questions. I had thought that too, but then I read a report from someone who knows Dave but was not claiming to have specifically talked with about this that predicted he would not be like Carson, and would find something to do to keep him in the public eye - or ear. Maybe something like what Seinfeld is doing, or a weekly hour on the Howard Stern channel or something like that. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Rivers Late Night Requiem
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote: My apologies for skipping over that word. You're right: it does make a difference (though I was a little surprised at Rivers' death mostly because the implication I drew from my limited awareness was that she was stabilized. I think the confusion about Rivers' prognosis was almost entirely due to her daughter's reluctance to accept the likely outcome - that is not a criticism of Melissa Rivers, it is obviously a very common initial reaction among family members. I think I hinted obliquely here last week that the publicly reported details (a woman of her age placed in a medically induced coma) suggested a very low probability of recovery. I have not read if they decided to take her off life support after three days or so, but in my experience that would be the most common path - the coma gives an outside chance of they person marshaling their resources to recover, but in context it mostly gives relatives a buffer zone to come to terms with the impending death. I agree with all of what has been said here about Dave's reaction to the two recent deaths, and the framework I would place that in is, while always sad when it happens to someone you know and love or even just like, the death of an 81 year old subsequent to a medical procedure does not quite rise to the level of a shocking tragedy, not because older people are less important, but simply because old people tend to die of one thing or another. The death of a relatively young (63) year old man from suicide is at a whole different level. Having said that, Dave did very intentionally if indirectly make room for a later finding that River's death might be found to be due to some kind of malpractice, which certainly would up the tragedy level. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] The (ex)Chief and Dave
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 3:29 PM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Tom Wolper twol...@gmail.com wrote: (SNIP) The only thing I heard that has any insider credibility was on a Carson Podcast http://carsonpodcast.com/tom-dreesen/ with Tom Dreesen. He said that Dave will be like Johnny - once he's off the air you'll never see him again. This is one of the more interesting questions. I had thought that too, but then I read a report from someone who knows Dave but was not claiming to have specifically talked with about this that predicted he would not be like Carson, and would find something to do to keep him in the public eye - or ear. Maybe something like what Seinfeld is doing, or a weekly hour on the Howard Stern channel or something like that. I haven't brought out a full recommendation of the Carson Podcast because it is so uneven. I have listened to about half of the episodes so far there is a bit of insight of how Carson's Tonight Show worked and, if the guest is a performer known for other roles, too much talk about the other roles. Apropos of this thread there was a short interview with Al Jean. He and Mike Scully were hired to write for the Tonight Show in 1983 when Johnny wanted a younger staff. They lasted, I think, 18 months. Later, when they were doing The Simpsons, Jean had a business relationship with Jeff Soltzing, who is Carson's nephew and runs Carson Productions. As a long shot Jean and Scully asked Soltzing if Carson would do an episode of The Simpsons and to all their surprise Carson agreed. On the day of the voice taping Jean warned all of the people working there that Johnny was very shy and they could expect him to be distant. When Johnny showed up Jean was surprised how open and charming Johnny was toward everybody. He even spent some time answering questions. Someone asked why Johnny no longer appeared on TV and he said that he saw what happened with Bob Hope and took it as a warning. After Hope stopped doing regular specials (an oxymoron, I know) on NBC he still would do unplanned walk-ons on the Tonight Show. Johnny saw that he had nothing new to present and the loyalty of the audience was fading but Hope craved the attention and the show could ill afford the negative publicity around telling a living legend he was no longer welcome. What's true for Johnny is also true for Dave and Jay. They spent the peak years of their careers in a situation where they were in total control and set the agendas. Once the show is handed over they can only be guests on someone else's show and get their ovations not for who they are now and what they are doing, but only for what they have done in the past. When Dave talked with Jerry Seinfeld at the Paley Center he asked a lot about the logistics of Comedians With Cars and maybe it gives him some ideas. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] The (ex)Chief and Dave
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Tom Wolper twol...@gmail.com wrote: (SNIP) What's true for Johnny is also true for Dave and Jay. They spent the peak years of their careers in a situation where they were in total control and set the agendas. Once the show is handed over they can only be guests on someone else's show and get their ovations not for who they are now and what they are doing, but only for what they have done in the past. When Dave talked with Jerry Seinfeld at the Paley Center he asked a lot about the logistics of Comedians With Cars and maybe it gives him some ideas. Right - that is the thing that gave me the idea of Dave following a Seinfeld model - he really seemed fascinated with the CICGC model during that interview. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] The (ex)Chief and Dave
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Tom Wolper twol...@gmail.com wrote (in part): Once the show is handed over they can only be guests on someone else's show and get their ovations not for who they are now and what they are doing, but only for what they have done in the past. I will go to my grave cursing the audience in LA for Dave for not stopping the ovation for Johnny. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[TV orNotTV] Who episode edited out of respect
A beheading scene was apparently in Robot of Sherwood, till the BBC http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29068551 (link) removed it in the wake of real executions of two journalists by terrorists. B -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] David Chase is pissed
While in Venice for its film festival, of which he was a juror, he told Marlow Stern of Daily Beast http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/04/david-chase-on-tony-soprano-s-fate-the-state-of-tv-and-why-he-couldn-t-finish-true-detective.html (link) he learned from Nochimson never to be friendly with any journalist... and goes on to talk far more with him than with her... B -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
