[TV orNotTV] Johnny's car in Jay Leno's Garage

['David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV]

The video is new, but I can't help feeling I've seen Jay do something about the 
car Johnny Carson drove in the 1982 Johnny Comes Home TV special.  (A 1939 
Chrysler Royal).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz5cJNpIso8
I believe Jay is doing his own camera setups in this one, as the shop/show is 
still operating under minimal staffing due to coronavirus and the 
cinematography is more static than usual.
David


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Re: [TV orNotTV] Ratings: ‘Celebrity Family Feud’ Drops to Season Low, Still Leads ABC to Easy Win

[David Lynch]

>
> No, but if she doesn't know, she has to get it set up for the reveal. When
> Ryan loses his mind because he thinks he's crossed the threshold, it's
> Banks's job, as host, to get everyone wrangled and set up the first
> million-dollar win or close-but-no-cigar. But that's not what Banks does.
> She lets them go nuts while doing whatever she was doing. That's the flaw.
>

I'm mostly with you, but I think the edit that aired did Banks a disservice
in regards to her hosting, even if watching her emotional reaction was
riveting. From what I hear, tapings of the current edition of Press Your
Luck are pretty linear but it's nowhere near the live-to-tape of days gone
by, and it felt to me like we were seeing a moment that the film actress in
her thought would end up on the cutting room floor.

You know what the wagers are. There are eight possible outcomes. A smart
> middle schooler could design an Excel spreadsheet to show what could
> happen. How the hell does a 30-plus-year-old show not know what to do?
>

I would have sworn that I heard at one point that Alex gets one card with
the clue and correct response and another card with the wagers and what
their score would be if they get the question right/wrong, so, if that was
the case, they really should have known that it could have happened.

On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 3:30 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> It should be pointed out that in prime time television today, the star
> gets an executive producer credit whether or not s/he is actively involved
> in the show or just hitting their marks, saying their lines, taking the
> money and running.  That is true for most of ABC's Summer Fun and Games
> block.  With the exception of "Celebrity Family Feud" (a decade hosting the
> show and Steve Harvey hasn't asked for an EP credit), all of the hosts are
> what I've called in the past "trophy producers."  On "Holey Moley," it's
> Steph Curry, although Tassitore, Riggle and Mai may be asking for EP credit
> next year.  And it seems to me Adam Scott doesn't have the credit on
> "Don't" (but Ryan Reynolds does, and supposedly he's the show's creator).
> In addition, the hosts' production company gets its vanity card at the end
> of the show (in Banks' case, that would be Brownstone Productions, the only
> other card on "Press" besides the Fremantle logo).  Whether the hosts have
> that much input into the individual shows is hard to say, although I've
> always suspected that Anthony Anderson is the main reason "To Tell the
> Truth" is not being done the way Bud Collyer or Garry Moore did it.
>
> Mark Jeffries
> Saints Spotlight Editor
> spotligh...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 1:19 PM Joe Hass  wrote:
>
>> Q1: Does the host have to know?
>> A1: No, but if she doesn't know, she has to get it set up for the reveal.
>> When Ryan loses his mind because he thinks he's crossed the threshold, it's
>> Banks's job, as host, to get everyone wrangled and set up the first
>> million-dollar win or close-but-no-cigar. But that's not what Banks does.
>> She lets them go nuts while doing whatever she was doing. That's the flaw.
>>
>> I go back to the first Jeopardy regular season tie, where the word was
>> that no one from the show appeared prepared for it. That's an *EPIC* fail.
>> You know what the wagers are. There are eight possible outcomes. A smart
>> middle schooler could design an Excel spreadsheet to show what could
>> happen. How the hell does a 30-plus-year-old show not know what to do?
>>
>> (sidebar: I know the show knows the wagers going into the FJ clue. Does
>> anyone see, in real-time, what the contestants are writing? I'd have to
>> assume the control room does with a judge in there to confirm a curveball
>> answer)
>>
>> The best equivalent off the top of my head is this: Prime Time TPIR, with
>> a pair of six-figure showcases. Contestant 1 overbids. Contestant 2
>> responds by running over to the doors as if he's already won. Drew Carey
>> doesn't immediately wrangle him back to the lectern for the reveal. That's
>> on Carey.
>>
>> Q2: Is it different because they're playing against the house?
>> A2: It's not that they're playing against the house: it's that the big
>> selling point of the second half of the game is getting to $500K. If he's
>> at $150K, no one's thinking two Teslas are $350K. But people definitely
>> think two Teslas could be $190K ($95K each).
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 12:40 PM Brad Beam  wrote:
>>
>>> *From:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Joe Hass
>>>
>>> *>*Let me take you back to the Tomarken-era PYL. When it came down to a
>>> final spin to come from behind, Peter would tell the contestant beforehand
>>> if there was no way they could win without an additional turn. The
>>> producers knew how much each of the prizes was (I'm not 100% sure how
>>> Tomarken knew: whether he had a list or if the producers communicated
>>> it to him). If there were a prize with a higher value than the 

Re: [TV orNotTV] Ratings: ‘Celebrity Family Feud’ Drops to Season Low, Still Leads ABC to Easy Win

[Mark Jeffries]

It should be pointed out that in prime time television today, the star gets
an executive producer credit whether or not s/he is actively involved in
the show or just hitting their marks, saying their lines, taking the money
and running.  That is true for most of ABC's Summer Fun and Games block.
With the exception of "Celebrity Family Feud" (a decade hosting the show
and Steve Harvey hasn't asked for an EP credit), all of the hosts are what
I've called in the past "trophy producers."  On "Holey Moley," it's Steph
Curry, although Tassitore, Riggle and Mai may be asking for EP credit next
year.  And it seems to me Adam Scott doesn't have the credit on "Don't"
(but Ryan Reynolds does, and supposedly he's the show's creator).  In
addition, the hosts' production company gets its vanity card at the end of
the show (in Banks' case, that would be Brownstone Productions, the only
other card on "Press" besides the Fremantle logo).  Whether the hosts have
that much input into the individual shows is hard to say, although I've
always suspected that Anthony Anderson is the main reason "To Tell the
Truth" is not being done the way Bud Collyer or Garry Moore did it.

Mark Jeffries
Saints Spotlight Editor
spotligh...@gmail.com


On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 1:19 PM Joe Hass  wrote:

> Q1: Does the host have to know?
> A1: No, but if she doesn't know, she has to get it set up for the reveal.
> When Ryan loses his mind because he thinks he's crossed the threshold, it's
> Banks's job, as host, to get everyone wrangled and set up the first
> million-dollar win or close-but-no-cigar. But that's not what Banks does.
> She lets them go nuts while doing whatever she was doing. That's the flaw.
>
> I go back to the first Jeopardy regular season tie, where the word was
> that no one from the show appeared prepared for it. That's an *EPIC* fail.
> You know what the wagers are. There are eight possible outcomes. A smart
> middle schooler could design an Excel spreadsheet to show what could
> happen. How the hell does a 30-plus-year-old show not know what to do?
>
> (sidebar: I know the show knows the wagers going into the FJ clue. Does
> anyone see, in real-time, what the contestants are writing? I'd have to
> assume the control room does with a judge in there to confirm a curveball
> answer)
>
> The best equivalent off the top of my head is this: Prime Time TPIR, with
> a pair of six-figure showcases. Contestant 1 overbids. Contestant 2
> responds by running over to the doors as if he's already won. Drew Carey
> doesn't immediately wrangle him back to the lectern for the reveal. That's
> on Carey.
>
> Q2: Is it different because they're playing against the house?
> A2: It's not that they're playing against the house: it's that the big
> selling point of the second half of the game is getting to $500K. If he's
> at $150K, no one's thinking two Teslas are $350K. But people definitely
> think two Teslas could be $190K ($95K each).
>
> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 12:40 PM Brad Beam  wrote:
>
>> *From:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Joe Hass
>>
>> *>*Let me take you back to the Tomarken-era PYL. When it came down to a
>> final spin to come from behind, Peter would tell the contestant beforehand
>> if there was no way they could win without an additional turn. The
>> producers knew how much each of the prizes was (I'm not 100% sure how
>> Tomarken knew: whether he had a list or if the producers communicated it
>> to him). If there were a prize with a higher value than the highest cash
>> value on the board that could win the game (usually a $6K car), Tomarken
>> would identify it.
>>
>>
>>
>> >Back to modern-day: the producers knew that the Teslas wouldn't have
>> done it. They should've point-blank told Banks (I've read she wears an IFB,
>> which is the kind of shit that pisses me off) he needed something with an
>> additional spin. By not doing that, it was the television equivalent of a
>> bait and switch. They left Banks out to dry.
>>
>>
>>
>> I always thought Peter was too quick with the math, though editing or the
>> dreaded IFB could cause that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Two questions from me:
>>
>> *Does the host really have to know in advance? Perhaps EP Banks prefers
>> her reactions to be genuine.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Isn’t the situation different since last week’s contestant was playing
>> against the house? He hits anything non-Whammy or plus-spin, game over,
>> he’s won. Crossing the $500k threshold is just sweet icing on an
>> already-sugary cake.
>>
>>
>>
>> Somebody won a Tesla in the bonus round a few weeks back. The his/hers
>> models weren’t identified, but the previous contestant won a Model X which,
>> according to a Tesla forum, was valued at over $160k. (The posters thought
>> that figure was too high, though they speculated that some cash was
>> included for tax consideration.)
>>
>>
>>
>> _   _
>>
>> |_>|_>  Brad Beam- Belle WV
>>
>> |_>|_>  http://www.facebook.com/74bmw
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> 

Re: [TV orNotTV] Ratings: ‘Celebrity Family Feud’ Drops to Season Low, Still Leads ABC to Easy Win

[Ben Scripps]

On Jul 19, 2020, at 2:19 PM, Joe Hass  wrote:
> 
> (sidebar: I know the show knows the wagers going into the FJ clue. Does 
> anyone see, in real-time, what the contestants are writing? I'd have to 
> assume the control room does with a judge in there to confirm a curveball 
> answer)

Yep.  Control room video of the finals of the Ultimate Tournament of Champions, 
from the J! DVD a few years back:
http://www.benscripps.com/transfer/j_cr.mp4 


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Re: [TV orNotTV] Ratings: ‘Celebrity Family Feud’ Drops to Season Low, Still Leads ABC to Easy Win

[Joe Hass]

Q1: Does the host have to know?
A1: No, but if she doesn't know, she has to get it set up for the reveal.
When Ryan loses his mind because he thinks he's crossed the threshold, it's
Banks's job, as host, to get everyone wrangled and set up the first
million-dollar win or close-but-no-cigar. But that's not what Banks does.
She lets them go nuts while doing whatever she was doing. That's the flaw.

I go back to the first Jeopardy regular season tie, where the word was that
no one from the show appeared prepared for it. That's an *EPIC* fail. You
know what the wagers are. There are eight possible outcomes. A smart middle
schooler could design an Excel spreadsheet to show what could happen. How
the hell does a 30-plus-year-old show not know what to do?

(sidebar: I know the show knows the wagers going into the FJ clue. Does
anyone see, in real-time, what the contestants are writing? I'd have to
assume the control room does with a judge in there to confirm a curveball
answer)

The best equivalent off the top of my head is this: Prime Time TPIR, with a
pair of six-figure showcases. Contestant 1 overbids. Contestant 2 responds
by running over to the doors as if he's already won. Drew Carey doesn't
immediately wrangle him back to the lectern for the reveal. That's on Carey.

Q2: Is it different because they're playing against the house?
A2: It's not that they're playing against the house: it's that the big
selling point of the second half of the game is getting to $500K. If he's
at $150K, no one's thinking two Teslas are $350K. But people definitely
think two Teslas could be $190K ($95K each).

On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 12:40 PM Brad Beam  wrote:

> *From:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Joe Hass
>
> *>*Let me take you back to the Tomarken-era PYL. When it came down to a
> final spin to come from behind, Peter would tell the contestant beforehand
> if there was no way they could win without an additional turn. The
> producers knew how much each of the prizes was (I'm not 100% sure how
> Tomarken knew: whether he had a list or if the producers communicated it
> to him). If there were a prize with a higher value than the highest cash
> value on the board that could win the game (usually a $6K car), Tomarken
> would identify it.
>
>
>
> >Back to modern-day: the producers knew that the Teslas wouldn't have
> done it. They should've point-blank told Banks (I've read she wears an IFB,
> which is the kind of shit that pisses me off) he needed something with an
> additional spin. By not doing that, it was the television equivalent of a
> bait and switch. They left Banks out to dry.
>
>
>
> I always thought Peter was too quick with the math, though editing or the
> dreaded IFB could cause that.
>
>
>
> Two questions from me:
>
> *Does the host really have to know in advance? Perhaps EP Banks prefers
> her reactions to be genuine.
>
>
>
> *Isn’t the situation different since last week’s contestant was playing
> against the house? He hits anything non-Whammy or plus-spin, game over,
> he’s won. Crossing the $500k threshold is just sweet icing on an
> already-sugary cake.
>
>
>
> Somebody won a Tesla in the bonus round a few weeks back. The his/hers
> models weren’t identified, but the previous contestant won a Model X which,
> according to a Tesla forum, was valued at over $160k. (The posters thought
> that figure was too high, though they speculated that some cash was
> included for tax consideration.)
>
>
>
> _   _
>
> |_>|_>  Brad Beam- Belle WV
>
> |_>|_>  http://www.facebook.com/74bmw
>
>
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RE: [TV orNotTV] Re: Country music network Circle to launch with 16 shows, including ‘Opry Live’

[Brad Beam]

From: 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] 


>This network still haven't arrived on either system here, but I was able to 
>catch the Opry on the 'toob last night.
 
One of our local Gray stations (WQCW) has been simulcasting the Saturday 
premiere for several months now, which, I guess, is allowed. (Fwiw, Circle – 
3.3 on the WSAZ lineup – is on Suddenlink here in Charleston, but not on 
Xfinity in Huntington.)
 
 
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RE: [TV orNotTV] Ratings: ‘Celebrity Family Feud’ Drops to Season Low, Still Leads ABC to Easy Win

[Brad Beam]

From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Joe Hass


>Let me take you back to the Tomarken-era PYL. When it came down to a final 
>spin to come from behind, Peter would tell the contestant beforehand if there 
>was no way they could win without an additional turn. The producers knew how 
>much each of the prizes was (I'm not 100% sure how Tomarken knew: whether he 
>had a list or if the producers communicated it to him). If there were a prize 
>with a higher value than the highest cash value on the board that could win 
>the game (usually a $6K car), Tomarken would identify it.
 
>Back to modern-day: the producers knew that the Teslas wouldn't have done it. 
>They should've point-blank told Banks (I've read she wears an IFB, which is 
>the kind of shit that pisses me off) he needed something with an additional 
>spin. By not doing that, it was the television equivalent of a bait and 
>switch. They left Banks out to dry.
 
I always thought Peter was too quick with the math, though editing or the 
dreaded IFB could cause that.
 
Two questions from me:
*Does the host really have to know in advance? Perhaps EP Banks prefers her 
reactions to be genuine.
 
*Isn’t the situation different since last week’s contestant was playing against 
the house? He hits anything non-Whammy or plus-spin, game over, he’s won. 
Crossing the $500k threshold is just sweet icing on an already-sugary cake.
 
Somebody won a Tesla in the bonus round a few weeks back. The his/hers models 
weren’t identified, but the previous contestant won a Model X which, according 
to a Tesla forum, was valued at over $160k. (The posters thought that figure 
was too high, though they speculated that some cash was included for tax 
consideration.) 
 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Ratings: ‘Celebrity Family Feud’ Drops to Season Low, Still Leads ABC to Easy Win

[Joe Hass]

She did, but not because she was the host.

For those who didn't watch, here's the overly simple set up: in the end
game, Ryan had $310K with one spin to go. Avoid the whammy, and he goes
home with the cash. *But*, if he can get to or past $500K, he gets upgraded
to $1 million. The biggest cash value on the board was $100K, so Ryan
would've had to hit something with an additional spin to keep their shot at
a million alive. But sitting in the bottom left corner was "His & Hers
Teslas", which is what Ryan hit.

Let me take you back to the Tomarken-era PYL. When it came down to a final
spin to come from behind, Peter would tell the contestant beforehand if
there was no way they could win without an additional turn. The producers
knew how much each of the prizes was (I'm not 100% sure how Tomarken knew:
whether he had a list or if the producers communicated it to him). If there
were a prize with a higher value than the highest cash value on the board
that could win the game (usually a $6K car), Tomarken would identify it.

Back to modern-day: the producers knew that the Teslas wouldn't have done
it. They should've point-blank told Banks (I've read she wears an IFB,
which is the kind of shit that pisses me off) he needed something with an
additional spin. By not doing that, it was the television equivalent of a
bait and switch. They left Banks out to dry.

And who's one of the executive producers of the show? Who would be
responsible for how the show operates and should've ensured that having a
contestant think they won a million but didn't wasn't a possible outcome?
That'd be one Elizabeth Banks.

I appreciate people like drama. That wasn't drama: that was toying with
people's emotions. And that's bullshit.

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 9:11 PM Diner  wrote:

> She didn't do anything wrong.
> (Except say "Holy shit, he's going to win a million dollars.")
> Best episode yet, BTW.
>
> On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 7:44:47 PM UTC-4, Brad Beam wrote:
>>
>> *From:* 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV [mailto:tvor...@googlegroups.com]
>>
>> *>*Variety: With a 0.7 in the prime adult demo, and an f-bomb dropped by
>> Steve after participant Bruce Smith answered a question about tools
>> unexpectedly...
>>
>>
>>
>> Not to be outdone, PYL’s Elizabeth Banks sang a couple Whammy-unfriendly
>> notes after doing a mental calculation that the contestant’s his-and-hers
>> Teslas on the last spin in the Bonus Round would put him over the $500k
>> threshold to win the million-dollar prize. (Quoth the narrator – it
>> didn’t.)
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Turner opts out of Champions League deal

[Joe Hass]

When Turner got the Champion and Euro leagues, they made the depressing
decision to put almost all of it on their BR Live OTT service. And I'm
reasonably confident that it not only didn't work out, but it didn't work
out to a level that they were willing to walk away rather than lose more
cash. And I'm sure Uefa, given the opportunity to put their product on a
wider platform, were more than happy to let Turner walk.

There's a legendary story about (IIRC) the 1997 World Series. NBC had the
rights to it. But the ratings hadn't hit the guarantees, despite it going
seven games. And whoever was in charge of NBC Sports then said something
along the lines of "If HGTV called me to offer to take Game 7, I'd take
that call."



On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 12:50 PM Adam Bowie  wrote:

> I still find this really odd. Why would a broadcaster that has been
> carrying a tournament bailout right towards the finals? Was there some
> massive clash that Turner couldn't avoid? Surely the games take
> place during US daytime anyway, so are unlikely to have major clashes with
> re-scheduled other US sports?
>
> And I also find it really strange that the contract should have been
> written in such a way as to allow a broadcaster to break it at such a
> point. I understand break clauses - but this seems odd. I guess global
> pandemics weren't included, and that forced a way for Turner to get out. I
> can only really think that they massively overpaid, weren't getting
> returns, and used the pandemic as a way to wriggle out of a final payment.
>
> Future sports contracts with broadcasters will surely have more tight
> language to bind the broadcasters more tightly.
>
>
> Adam
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 2:23 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Moi, June 25th:
>>>
>>> But, they could still be forced by default to carry some games, if and
>>> when...
>>>
>>>
>>> https://awfulannouncing.com/turner/turner-is-reportedly-opting-out-of-their-uefa-champions-league-deal.html
>>>  (link;
>>> originator Sports Business Journal probably $)
>>>
>>>
>>> ViacomCBS rides in on the white horse, getting to complete this season
>> (resuming in August) and do the next three... broadcast, cable, and
>> streaming are all in the plan...
>>
>>
>> https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/viacomcbs-uefa-champions-streaming-video-1234701693/
>>  (link;
>> should have been proofread a little)
>>
>> B
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[TV orNotTV] Re: Country music network Circle to launch with 16 shows, including ‘Opry Live’

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

This network still haven't arrived on either system here, but I was able to 
catch the Opry on the 'toob last night.

Reba looked like a million bucks (as usual), Vince Gill looked like s__t 
warmed over (his partner Amy Grant just had heart surgery), no crowd (of 
course), a band of only three (no drummer), plus host Bobby Bones and 
Kelsea Ballerini vamping where TV would have commercials, shouting out to 
all the "socialites"...

Steve Timko, 12/13/19:
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Amazon and Roku in standoff with HBO Max and Peacock

['Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV]

I'm glad the downloading worked for you. I've tried to install HBO Max onto 
my Fire Stick three times and come up empty each time.

Oh, well.

--Dave Sikula

On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 6:43:56 PM UTC-7, PGage wrote:
>
> I have been streaming HBOMax on Fire Stick following instructions widely 
> available online to work around this (Amazon is blocking the Max App, not 
> the content). But even so I access it through the HBO Now App, not sure 
> from this article if I will still be able to do this after July 31
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 3:01 PM Joe Hass > 
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>> A pox on the lot of them.
>>
>>
>> https://variety.com/2020/digital/news/hbo-max-peacock-roku-amazon-streaming-1234703977/
>>
>> Sidebar: I have given up on Apple and will not be giving them another 
>> penny after a crazy situation involving poorly-integrated two-factor 
>> authentication. I'll shift everything over to Windows, Plex, Google Drive, 
>> and Android TV.
>>
>> If you'd have told me ten years ago that I would completely abandon 
>> Apple, the company that made me into what I am today professionally, I'd 
>> have thought you were nuts. But here we are.
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