[TV orNotTV] Re: Yes, Virginia, there is a "Christmas Story" sequel

['Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV]

I'm a fan of Shepherd, but that movie was really catching lightning in a 
bottle, unless one is a fan of such one-offs as "My Summer Story," "The 
Phantom of the Open Hearth," or "Olliie Hopnoodle's Haven of Bliss."

Hollywood has never been able to say no a terrible idea, though, so 
greenlighting this one was a no-brainer, in more senses than one.

--Dave Sikula

On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 2:23:22 PM UTC-8 Bob Jersey wrote:

> Yes, it's about a now-father-to-his-own-*keeds* Ralphie...
>
> Yes, it's headed to HBOmax...
>
> And yes, Randy, Scut, Flick and Schwartz will be in it too.
>
>
> https://deadline.com/2022/02/four-original-christmas-story-castmates-peter-billingsley-warner-bros-and-legendary-sequel-1234934050/
>  (link)
>
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NCIS branching outside the US

[twolper]

A big part of David Simon’s Homicide book was challenging the tropes of TV 
crime shows by describing what real cops and the criminal justice system do. 
Then the Homicide TV series and David Mitch’s NYPD Blue told stories based on a 
more realistic way of looking at police work. Then CSI came along and reverted 
to the old tropes and since then the police procedurals are getting 
consistently more formulaic and less real.

> On Feb 16, 2022, at 10:40 PM, Doug Eastick  wrote:
> 
> 
> Wow the Ken Levine article is just perfect. Really perfect.  
> 
> 
> 
> /Doug 
> east...@mcd.on.ca
> 
>> On Wed., Feb. 16, 2022, 5:08 p.m. Diner,  wrote:
>> Ken Levine wrote on his blog about how on the "Hawaii Five-O" reboot, even 
>> tourists from the mainland seem to know what "Five-O" means...
>> https://kenlevine.blogspot.com/2011/04/how-to-create-hit-network-drama.html
>> 
>> On "Law & Order: Organized Crime," Elliot Stabler works for the "Organized 
>> Crime Control Bureau." 
>> Every time I hear that in the intro, I think of the OCB (Organized Crime 
>> Bureau) which Vinny Terranova worked for on "Wiseguy."
>> 
>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 2:01:52 PM UTC-5 Tom Wolper wrote:
>>> My mother loved NCIS and I used to catch snippets of it while visiting her. 
>>> I used to laugh when they would approach a suspect, show their badges, and 
>>> shout “NCIS!” and the suspect would know what that meant.
>>> 
> On Feb 16, 2022, at 12:59 PM, M-D November  wrote:
> 
 Apparently even CBS wasn't confident in the name when NCIS got spun off 
 from JAG, as when the show premiered, it was titled "Navy NCIS"; the 
 "Navy" got dropped because...well, it's redundant and stupid.
>>> 
 
 
> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 10:46:26 AM UTC-5 Jim Ellwanger wrote:
> I would bet that the VAST majority of Americans also had no idea what 
> "NCIS" stood for (or even that it existed) until the original TV series 
> debuted.
> 
> 
>>> On Feb 16, 2022, at 7:44 AM, Doug Eastick  wrote:
>>> 
>> Canadian here. I had no idea what NCIS stood for until recently.
>> I then learned it was something to do with military law enforcement.   
>> Which then made me wonder "how much crime can there be WITHIN the 
>> military that they can cover so many stories".  I know the latter half 
>> of that question is irrelevant because it's television, but the first 
>> question still drove me to google and other searching to learn about the 
>> scope of NCIS is larger than just within the military.
>> 
>> Naval Criminal Investigative Service - Wikipedia
>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 9:58 AM Paul Murray  
>>> wrote:
>>> Yet another NCIS spinoff to ignore. My only idle curiosity is what 
>>> accents the actors will have. By logic, they should be American, except 
>>> for any locals they work with.
>>> 
>>> As one who has regularly watched the original, I tried the LA and NO 
>>> spinoffs and quickly abandoned them. LA in particular seemed so 
>>> tenuously connected to the navy as to be laughable; it's just another 
>>> "unconventional law enforcement team" show.
>>> 
>>> I still watch the original, although I'm currently weeks behind in 
>>> streaming it. I think it's the TV equivalent of comfort food for me at 
>>> this point.
>>> 
 On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 10:51:15 PM UTC-5 Doug Fields wrote:
 The show is​ based inside the Dept. of Defense (and inside the Navy).  
 But that shouldn't prohibit shows set outside the US, in the same 
 manner that the Navy has bases located in foreign countries all around 
 the world.  Anywhere there is a concentration of Navy or Marine Corps 
 personnel, there will also be field offices of most of the support 
 organizations that serve those branches of the military, definitely 
 including the NCIS.
 
 Doug Fields
 Tampa, FL
 From: 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 5:41 PM
 To: TVorNotTV 
 Subject: [TV orNotTV] NCIS branching outside the US
  
 I always took this show to be based inside the Defense Dept, if not 
 the Navy specifically... and yet Shane Brennan, Aussie by birth, is 
 working on a Sydney-based entry in the franchise, which he intends to 
 film there with actors therefrom, but also show on Paramount+... the 
 streamer also announced a "SEAL Team" feature film...
 
 https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/ncis-sydney-seal-team-movie-coming-to-paramount-1235093708/
  (link)
 
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[TV orNotTV] Quickie Review: Murderville

[Kevin M.]

Will Arnett plays a homicide detective who partners up every week with a
different celebrity detective to solve a murder. The catch: the celebrity
has no script and has to crack the case on his/her own.

First celebrity detective: Conan O’Brien

I enjoyed it, as did the wifey.

On the Netflix.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NCIS branching outside the US

[Doug Eastick]

Wow the Ken Levine article is just perfect. Really perfect.



/Doug
east...@mcd.on.ca

On Wed., Feb. 16, 2022, 5:08 p.m. Diner,  wrote:

> Ken Levine wrote on his blog about how on the "Hawaii Five-O" reboot, even
> tourists from the mainland seem to know what "Five-O" means...
> https://kenlevine.blogspot.com/2011/04/how-to-create-hit-network-drama.html
>
> On "Law & Order: Organized Crime," Elliot Stabler works for the "Organized
> Crime Control Bureau."
> Every time I hear that in the intro, I think of the OCB (Organized Crime
> Bureau) which Vinny Terranova worked for on "Wiseguy."
>
> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 2:01:52 PM UTC-5 Tom Wolper wrote:
>
>> My mother loved NCIS and I used to catch snippets of it while visiting
>> her. I used to laugh when they would approach a suspect, show their badges,
>> and shout “NCIS!” and the suspect would know what that meant.
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2022, at 12:59 PM, M-D November  wrote:
>>
>> Apparently even CBS wasn't confident in the name when NCIS got spun off
>> from JAG, as when the show premiered, it was titled "Navy NCIS"; the "Navy"
>> got dropped because...well, it's redundant and stupid.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 10:46:26 AM UTC-5 Jim Ellwanger wrote:
>>
>>> I would bet that the VAST majority of Americans also had no idea what
>>> "NCIS" stood for (or even that it existed) until the original TV series
>>> debuted.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2022, at 7:44 AM, Doug Eastick  wrote:
>>>
>>> Canadian here. I had no idea what NCIS stood for until recently.
>>> I then learned it was something to do with military law enforcement.
>>>  Which then made me wonder "how much crime can there be WITHIN the military
>>> that they can cover so many stories".  I know the latter half of that
>>> question is irrelevant because it's television, but the first question
>>> still drove me to google and other searching to learn about the scope of
>>> NCIS is larger than just within the military.
>>>
>>> Naval Criminal Investigative Service - Wikipedia
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 9:58 AM Paul Murray 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yet another NCIS spinoff to ignore. My only idle curiosity is what
 accents the actors will have. By logic, they should be American, except for
 any locals they work with.

 As one who has regularly watched the original, I tried the LA and NO
 spinoffs and quickly abandoned them. LA in particular seemed so tenuously
 connected to the navy as to be laughable; it's just another "unconventional
 law enforcement team" show.

 I still watch the original, although I'm currently weeks behind in
 streaming it. I think it's the TV equivalent of comfort food for me at this
 point.

 On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 10:51:15 PM UTC-5 Doug Fields wrote:

> The show *is*​ based inside the Dept. of Defense (and inside the
> Navy).  But that shouldn't prohibit shows set outside the US, in the same
> manner that the Navy has bases located in foreign countries all around the
> world.  Anywhere there is a concentration of Navy or Marine Corps
> personnel, there will also be field offices of most of the support
> organizations that serve those branches of the military, definitely
> including the NCIS.
>
> Doug Fields
> Tampa, FL
> --
> *From:* 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 15, 2022 5:41 PM
> *To:* TVorNotTV 
> *Subject:* [TV orNotTV] NCIS branching outside the US
>
> I always took this show to be based inside the Defense Dept, if not
> the Navy specifically... and yet Shane Brennan, Aussie by birth, is 
> working
> on a Sydney-based entry in the franchise, which he intends to film there
> with actors therefrom, but also show on Paramount+... the streamer also
> announced a "SEAL Team" feature film...
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/ncis-sydney-seal-team-movie-coming-to-paramount-1235093708/
>  (link)
>
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NotTV: Disney to brand planned communities

[PGage]

Disney developed a community in Florida several decades ago -
“Celebration”, but it was maybe “Disney-Lite”, and they may have divested
it by now.

This frankly sounds like a nightmare to me, based on my experience with
Disney culture at DisneyLand, which back in the 70s and 80s at least was
oppressive and controlling in their search for conformity in a way that
would make Stepford blush…

On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 at 6:27 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> For the uninitiated, this was Walt’s original vision of EPCOT, a planned
> community where people live, work, shop, and commute… the Disney way. Walt
> Disney World was intended to be more than a theme park and hotel location…
> Walt wanted to redesign contemporary American life. Rumor has it he hated
> Florida, but settled on that state because it had the least expensive yet
> still desirable real estate. But he died and nearly every aspect of what he
> envisioned was shelved.
>
> I don’t know that a Disney branded (licensed) community in this day and
> age will succeed, as the Disney brand itself is muddied and unfocused.
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 4:52 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Managed in the style of Guest Services operations at their parks, but
>> with trusted local partners doing the development and building. " At each
>> location, including some neighborhoods for residents ages 55+, Disney cast
>> members trained in the company’s legendary guest service will operate the
>> community association. Through a club membership, Disney will also provide
>> access to curated experiences, such as wellness programming; entertainment
>> ranging from live performances to cooking classes; philanthropic endeavors;
>> seminars and much more. "
>>
>>
>> https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2022/02/announcing-storyliving-by-disney-new-business-to-develop-residential-communities/?CMP=SOC-DPFY22Q1wo0210220011C
>>  (link)
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NotTV: Disney to brand planned communities

[Kevin M.]

For the uninitiated, this was Walt’s original vision of EPCOT, a planned
community where people live, work, shop, and commute… the Disney way. Walt
Disney World was intended to be more than a theme park and hotel location…
Walt wanted to redesign contemporary American life. Rumor has it he hated
Florida, but settled on that state because it had the least expensive yet
still desirable real estate. But he died and nearly every aspect of what he
envisioned was shelved.

I don’t know that a Disney branded (licensed) community in this day and age
will succeed, as the Disney brand itself is muddied and unfocused.

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 4:52 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Managed in the style of Guest Services operations at their parks, but with
> trusted local partners doing the development and building. " At each
> location, including some neighborhoods for residents ages 55+, Disney cast
> members trained in the company’s legendary guest service will operate the
> community association. Through a club membership, Disney will also provide
> access to curated experiences, such as wellness programming; entertainment
> ranging from live performances to cooking classes; philanthropic endeavors;
> seminars and much more. "
>
>
> https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2022/02/announcing-storyliving-by-disney-new-business-to-develop-residential-communities/?CMP=SOC-DPFY22Q1wo0210220011C
>  (link)
>
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[TV orNotTV] NotTV: Disney to brand planned communities

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

Managed in the style of Guest Services operations at their parks, but with 
trusted local partners doing the development and building. " At each 
location, including some neighborhoods for residents ages 55+, Disney cast 
members trained in the company’s legendary guest service will operate the 
community association. Through a club membership, Disney will also provide 
access to curated experiences, such as wellness programming; entertainment 
ranging from live performances to cooking classes; philanthropic endeavors; 
seminars and much more. "

https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2022/02/announcing-storyliving-by-disney-new-business-to-develop-residential-communities/?CMP=SOC-DPFY22Q1wo0210220011C
 (link)

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[TV orNotTV] Todd Newton adds morning-radio show

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

The longtime E! and game-show host (and Amazon podcaster), who's been 
working since his teens, hasn't done any AM/FM stuff since getting canned 
from a station in his native St Louis after it was sold (for the umpteenth 
time) in 2018... he'll team with likewise-well-travelled Maria Todd... no 
word on affiliates / launch...

http://www.insideradio.com/free/suiteradio-adds-todd-newton-to-lineup-pacts-with-key-networks/article_0316120a-8f43-11ec-860b-b3d5efa4e9fa.html
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RE: [TV orNotTV] Re: ViacomCBS is dead. Long live Paramount

[Brad Beam]

From: 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] 


>The change was... not taken too well by investors... 
>https://deadline.com/2022/02/viacomcbs-stock-shares-paramount-paramount-1234934791/
> (link) B
 
Rejected headline:
Paramount – 

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[TV orNotTV] Re: So long, P.J. O'Rourke

[JW]

A segment I'd completely forgotten:

https://twitter.com/60Minutes/status/1493736955254910977

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[TV orNotTV] Re: ViacomCBS is dead. Long live Paramount

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

The change was... *not* taken too well by investors... 
https://deadline.com/2022/02/viacomcbs-stock-shares-paramount-paramount-1234934791/
 (link)  
   B

Moi, Feb 15th:

> Bob Bakish and Shari Redstone announced the name change in a companywide 
> memo ahead of the company's recent presentation to investors (whence three 
> recent reports by moi on this channel ensued)... the company's stocks will 
> rebrand as of Thursday (Feb 17th)...
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/viacomcbs-to-become-paramount-this-week-1235094237/
>  (link)
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[TV orNotTV] Yes, Virginia, there is a "Christmas Story" sequel

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

Yes, it's about a now-father-to-his-own-*keeds* Ralphie...

Yes, it's headed to HBOmax...

And yes, Randy, Scut, Flick and Schwartz will be in it too.

https://deadline.com/2022/02/four-original-christmas-story-castmates-peter-billingsley-warner-bros-and-legendary-sequel-1234934050/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NCIS branching outside the US

[Diner]

Ken Levine wrote on his blog about how on the "Hawaii Five-O" reboot, even 
tourists from the mainland seem to know what "Five-O" means...
https://kenlevine.blogspot.com/2011/04/how-to-create-hit-network-drama.html

On "Law & Order: Organized Crime," Elliot Stabler works for the "Organized 
Crime Control Bureau." 
Every time I hear that in the intro, I think of the OCB (Organized Crime 
Bureau) which Vinny Terranova worked for on "Wiseguy."

On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 2:01:52 PM UTC-5 Tom Wolper wrote:

> My mother loved NCIS and I used to catch snippets of it while visiting 
> her. I used to laugh when they would approach a suspect, show their badges, 
> and shout “NCIS!” and the suspect would know what that meant.
>
> On Feb 16, 2022, at 12:59 PM, M-D November  wrote:
>
> Apparently even CBS wasn't confident in the name when NCIS got spun off 
> from JAG, as when the show premiered, it was titled "Navy NCIS"; the "Navy" 
> got dropped because...well, it's redundant and stupid.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 10:46:26 AM UTC-5 Jim Ellwanger wrote:
>
>> I would bet that the VAST majority of Americans also had no idea what 
>> "NCIS" stood for (or even that it existed) until the original TV series 
>> debuted.
>>
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2022, at 7:44 AM, Doug Eastick  wrote:
>>
>> Canadian here. I had no idea what NCIS stood for until recently.I 
>> then learned it was something to do with military law enforcement.   Which 
>> then made me wonder "how much crime can there be WITHIN the military that 
>> they can cover so many stories".  I know the latter half of that question 
>> is irrelevant because it's television, but the first question still drove 
>> me to google and other searching to learn about the scope of NCIS is larger 
>> than just within the military.
>>
>> Naval Criminal Investigative Service - Wikipedia 
>> 
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 9:58 AM Paul Murray  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yet another NCIS spinoff to ignore. My only idle curiosity is what 
>>> accents the actors will have. By logic, they should be American, except for 
>>> any locals they work with.
>>>
>>> As one who has regularly watched the original, I tried the LA and NO 
>>> spinoffs and quickly abandoned them. LA in particular seemed so tenuously 
>>> connected to the navy as to be laughable; it's just another "unconventional 
>>> law enforcement team" show.
>>>
>>> I still watch the original, although I'm currently weeks behind in 
>>> streaming it. I think it's the TV equivalent of comfort food for me at this 
>>> point.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 10:51:15 PM UTC-5 Doug Fields wrote:
>>>
 The show *is*​ based inside the Dept. of Defense (and inside the 
 Navy).  But that shouldn't prohibit shows set outside the US, in the same 
 manner that the Navy has bases located in foreign countries all around the 
 world.  Anywhere there is a concentration of Navy or Marine Corps 
 personnel, there will also be field offices of most of the support 
 organizations that serve those branches of the military, definitely 
 including the NCIS.

 Doug Fields
 Tampa, FL
 --
 *From:* 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
 *Sent:* Tuesday, February 15, 2022 5:41 PM
 *To:* TVorNotTV 
 *Subject:* [TV orNotTV] NCIS branching outside the US 
  
 I always took this show to be based inside the Defense Dept, if not the 
 Navy specifically... and yet Shane Brennan, Aussie by birth, is working on 
 a Sydney-based entry in the franchise, which he intends to film there with 
 actors therefrom, but also show on Paramount+... the streamer also 
 announced a "SEAL Team" feature film... 


 https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/ncis-sydney-seal-team-movie-coming-to-paramount-1235093708/
  (link)

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[TV orNotTV] Re: ViacomCBS is dead. Long live Paramount

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

They smartly bagged paramount.com a long time ago. B

Diner, to moi, Feb 16th:

> Colbert pointed out last night that it was just a week ago that the 
> employees' corporate email addresses were finally changed from cbs.com to 
> viacomcbs.com, and now they'll have to be changed again. Jon Batiste's 
> reaction is pretty funny.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0_aQcvVK2U
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Status quo for Olympics on Peacock

[PGage]

I’m not sure that there is anything to disagree with here. The ratings for
the Current Olympics may be problematic (almost certainly are), but the
numbers reported are not simply press releases from NBC Marketing,n they
are numbers from ratings services. These accuracy if these services have
been brought into question, including by NBC that is now citing them.

On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 at 11:08 AM  wrote:

> We can’t know that. If Nielsen was using a flawed methodology we don’t
> know the margin of error for their numbers. And we certainly have no idea
> of the margin of error for NBC’s self reported estimates. But concluding
> the Nielsen numbers are more accurate is relying on Nielsen’s authority.
>
> On Feb 15, 2022, at 5:26 PM, PGage  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Right. Whatever the actual validity of Nielsen numbers though, they are
> probably better than just relying on self reported estimates from NBC. I
> was just pointing that out.
>
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 at 1:16 PM  wrote:
>
>> What Kevin and I were referring to is a story from last September about
>> the Nielsen company losing its accreditation and the networks severing
>> ties. The thread in this group starts on 9/2/21. It’s possible that Nielsen
>> corrected whatever methodological problems they had and they’re officially
>> in use again but I’ve seen no announcement. So if NBC is using Nielsen
>> numbers they’re using numbers that they have claimed are unreliable.
>>
>> On Feb 14, 2022, at 10:16 PM, PGage  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> So, to be fair, I don’t think the Olympic ratings are being reported from
>> network press releases. The Hollywood Reporter story here:
>>
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/winter-olympics-ratings-2022-first-weekend-1235088942/
>>
>> Cites its source on ratings as: “All figures are “Total Audience
>> Delivery,” NBCU’s preferred metric combining Nielsen ratings for linear TV
>> and Comscore figures for streaming.”
>>
>> I also like this story because it does report Olympic ratings in the
>> context of standard decline for other shows. For example, they point out
>> the Winter Olympic ratings have declined from 4 years ago about the same
>> amount as the ratings for NBC’s then very highly rated program “This Is Us”
>> (both about 50%).
>>
>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 at 4:08 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 3:06 PM  wrote:
>>>
 The information seems to be coming from network press releases so maybe
 journalists are just taking their word for it.

>>>
>>> I’m trying to remember whether the role of a journalist includes
>>> independently verifying information given to them before sharing it in a
>>> newspaper or newscast. Hmmm.
>>>
>>>
 On Feb 14, 2022, at 5:30 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:

 

 Questions: There isn’t currently a ratings service being used by the
 industry to track viewers, so how are audience numbers being compiled and
 analyzed?

 On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 9:59 AM PGage  wrote:

> I agree it is a muddled story. As I have been arguing for some years
> now, every story about reduced ratings for major TV events should include
> some estimate of what the expected decline would be based on established
> trends, to allow judgement if the decline in this instance was more or 
> less
> than expected. This story starts to do that, then wanders off.
>
> Similarly, it starts to say ratings decline is a disaster, then
> wanders into maybe not so bad.
>
> The actual story is that ratings, while not irrelevant, do not mean
> what they used to. First, because of all the other ways people view tv
> content, and other ways corporations have and are finding to monetize 
> that.
> Second, because, somewhat paradoxically, in a universe in which ratings 
> are
> severely down all over, even CSI range numbers can be financially useful.
>
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 at 9:45 AM  wrote:
>
>> I can’t figure out what the story is here. The lede is that ratings
>> are disastrously low, which should mean NBC is going to suffer great
>> losses. The last paragraph of the original article says NBC anticipated 
>> the
>> shift to streaming and is set to turn a profit. So what’s newsworthy 
>> about
>> this?
>>
>> On Feb 11, 2022, at 6:20 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> NBC brass at a presser noted that "the numbers" are not unexpected,
>> but that advertising effectiveness is improved by the increased streaming
>> capacity, while OLY showrunner Molly Solomon and Mike Tirico expressed
>> confidence with what went down at Opening Ceremonies...
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/nbc-2022-olympics-peacock-streaming-ratings-1235091738/
>>  (link)
>>B
>>
>> Paul Murray, to John Edwards and moi, Feb 9th:
>>
>>> NBC’s Olympics ratings are 

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Status quo for Olympics on Peacock

[Melissa P]

https://www.nexttv.com/news/analysis-super-bowl-could-kick-off-media-measurement-multiverse-mess



On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 5:26 PM PGage  wrote:

> Right. Whatever the actual validity of Nielsen numbers though, they are
> probably better than just relying on self reported estimates from NBC. I
> was just pointing that out.
>
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 at 1:16 PM  wrote:
>
>> What Kevin and I were referring to is a story from last September about
>> the Nielsen company losing its accreditation and the networks severing
>> ties. The thread in this group starts on 9/2/21. It’s possible that Nielsen
>> corrected whatever methodological problems they had and they’re officially
>> in use again but I’ve seen no announcement. So if NBC is using Nielsen
>> numbers they’re using numbers that they have claimed are unreliable.
>>
>> On Feb 14, 2022, at 10:16 PM, PGage  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> So, to be fair, I don’t think the Olympic ratings are being reported from
>> network press releases. The Hollywood Reporter story here:
>>
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/winter-olympics-ratings-2022-first-weekend-1235088942/
>>
>> Cites its source on ratings as: “All figures are “Total Audience
>> Delivery,” NBCU’s preferred metric combining Nielsen ratings for linear TV
>> and Comscore figures for streaming.”
>>
>> I also like this story because it does report Olympic ratings in the
>> context of standard decline for other shows. For example, they point out
>> the Winter Olympic ratings have declined from 4 years ago about the same
>> amount as the ratings for NBC’s then very highly rated program “This Is Us”
>> (both about 50%).
>>
>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 at 4:08 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 3:06 PM  wrote:
>>>
 The information seems to be coming from network press releases so maybe
 journalists are just taking their word for it.

>>>
>>> I’m trying to remember whether the role of a journalist includes
>>> independently verifying information given to them before sharing it in a
>>> newspaper or newscast. Hmmm.
>>>
>>>
 On Feb 14, 2022, at 5:30 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:

 

 Questions: There isn’t currently a ratings service being used by the
 industry to track viewers, so how are audience numbers being compiled and
 analyzed?

 On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 9:59 AM PGage  wrote:

> I agree it is a muddled story. As I have been arguing for some years
> now, every story about reduced ratings for major TV events should include
> some estimate of what the expected decline would be based on established
> trends, to allow judgement if the decline in this instance was more or 
> less
> than expected. This story starts to do that, then wanders off.
>
> Similarly, it starts to say ratings decline is a disaster, then
> wanders into maybe not so bad.
>
> The actual story is that ratings, while not irrelevant, do not mean
> what they used to. First, because of all the other ways people view tv
> content, and other ways corporations have and are finding to monetize 
> that.
> Second, because, somewhat paradoxically, in a universe in which ratings 
> are
> severely down all over, even CSI range numbers can be financially useful.
>
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 at 9:45 AM  wrote:
>
>> I can’t figure out what the story is here. The lede is that ratings
>> are disastrously low, which should mean NBC is going to suffer great
>> losses. The last paragraph of the original article says NBC anticipated 
>> the
>> shift to streaming and is set to turn a profit. So what’s newsworthy 
>> about
>> this?
>>
>> On Feb 11, 2022, at 6:20 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> NBC brass at a presser noted that "the numbers" are not unexpected,
>> but that advertising effectiveness is improved by the increased streaming
>> capacity, while OLY showrunner Molly Solomon and Mike Tirico expressed
>> confidence with what went down at Opening Ceremonies...
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/nbc-2022-olympics-peacock-streaming-ratings-1235091738/
>>  (link)
>>B
>>
>> Paul Murray, to John Edwards and moi, Feb 9th:
>>
>>> NBC’s Olympics ratings are terrible. That doesn’t mean the Games are
>>> dying.
>>> Thanks to social and digital media, the Games could be “one of the
>>> most-viewed video events in U.S. history”
>>>
>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/02/09/nbc-olympics-ratings/
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NCIS branching outside the US

[Kevin M.]

Similarly, when Law and Order SVU was created, there was no SVU in the
NYPD. There was a sex crimes unit, but NBC didn’t want the series titled
Law and Order Sex Crimes.

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 9:18 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:

>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 2:58 PM Paul Murray 
> wrote:
>
>> Yet another NCIS spinoff to ignore. My only idle curiosity is what
>> accents the actors will have. By logic, they should be American, except for
>> any locals they work with.
>>
>> As one who has regularly watched the original, I tried the LA and NO
>> spinoffs and quickly abandoned them. LA in particular seemed so tenuously
>> connected to the navy as to be laughable; it's just another "unconventional
>> law enforcement team" show.
>>
>> I still watch the original, although I'm currently weeks behind in
>> streaming it. I think it's the TV equivalent of comfort food for me at this
>> point.
>>
>>
> I guess this will either be about:
>
> - American Naval folk in Australia (with mostly Australians putting on US
> accents for the US characters) or
> - A fully-localised show, as various countries have previously done with
> Law & Order. ie. Australians playing *Australian* Naval folk. The fact
> that Australia's military police probably aren't called "NCIS" is no more a
> barrier than crime scene investigators not being called "CSI" everywhere.
>
> Now I'm imagining a British version called "NCIS: Portsmouth." Most of the
> crimes would be about drunken sailors breaking windows and getting into pub
> fights.
>
>
> Adam
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Status quo for Olympics on Peacock

[twolper]

We can’t know that. If Nielsen was using a flawed methodology we don’t know the 
margin of error for their numbers. And we certainly have no idea of the margin 
of error for NBC’s self reported estimates. But concluding the Nielsen numbers 
are more accurate is relying on Nielsen’s authority.

> On Feb 15, 2022, at 5:26 PM, PGage  wrote:
> 
> 
> Right. Whatever the actual validity of Nielsen numbers though, they are 
> probably better than just relying on self reported estimates from NBC. I was 
> just pointing that out.
> 
>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 at 1:16 PM  wrote:
>> What Kevin and I were referring to is a story from last September about the 
>> Nielsen company losing its accreditation and the networks severing ties. The 
>> thread in this group starts on 9/2/21. It’s possible that Nielsen corrected 
>> whatever methodological problems they had and they’re officially in use 
>> again but I’ve seen no announcement. So if NBC is using Nielsen numbers 
>> they’re using numbers that they have claimed are unreliable.
>> 
 On Feb 14, 2022, at 10:16 PM, PGage  wrote:
 
>>> 
>> 
>>> So, to be fair, I don’t think the Olympic ratings are being reported from 
>>> network press releases. The Hollywood Reporter story here: 
>>> 
>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/winter-olympics-ratings-2022-first-weekend-1235088942/
>>> 
>>> Cites its source on ratings as: “All figures are “Total Audience Delivery,” 
>>> NBCU’s preferred metric combining Nielsen ratings for linear TV and 
>>> Comscore figures for streaming.”
>>> 
>>> I also like this story because it does report Olympic ratings in the 
>>> context of standard decline for other shows. For example, they point out 
>>> the Winter Olympic ratings have declined from 4 years ago about the same 
>>> amount as the ratings for NBC’s then very highly rated program “This Is Us” 
>>> (both about 50%).
>>> 
 On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 at 4:08 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
 
 
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 3:06 PM  wrote:
> The information seems to be coming from network press releases so maybe 
> journalists are just taking their word for it.
 
 I’m trying to remember whether the role of a journalist includes 
 independently verifying information given to them before sharing it in a 
 newspaper or newscast. Hmmm. 
 
> 
>>> On Feb 14, 2022, at 5:30 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
> 
>> Questions: There isn’t currently a ratings service being used by the 
>> industry to track viewers, so how are audience numbers being compiled 
>> and analyzed?
>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 9:59 AM PGage  wrote:
>>> I agree it is a muddled story. As I have been arguing for some years 
>>> now, every story about reduced ratings for major TV events should 
>>> include some estimate of what the expected decline would be based on 
>>> established trends, to allow judgement if the decline in this instance 
>>> was more or less than expected. This story starts to do that, then 
>>> wanders off. 
>>> 
>>> Similarly, it starts to say ratings decline is a disaster, then wanders 
>>> into maybe not so bad.
>>> 
>>> The actual story is that ratings, while not irrelevant, do not mean 
>>> what they used to. First, because of all the other ways people view tv 
>>> content, and other ways corporations have and are finding to monetize 
>>> that. Second, because, somewhat paradoxically, in a universe in which 
>>> ratings are severely down all over, even CSI range numbers can be 
>>> financially useful.
>>> 
 On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 at 9:45 AM  wrote:
 I can’t figure out what the story is here. The lede is that ratings 
 are disastrously low, which should mean NBC is going to suffer great 
 losses. The last paragraph of the original article says NBC 
 anticipated the shift to streaming and is set to turn a profit. So 
 what’s newsworthy about this?
 
>> On Feb 11, 2022, at 6:20 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
>>  wrote:
>> 
> NBC brass at a presser noted that "the numbers" are not unexpected, 
> but that advertising effectiveness is improved by the increased 
> streaming capacity, while OLY showrunner Molly Solomon and Mike 
> Tirico expressed confidence with what went down at Opening 
> Ceremonies...
 
> 
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/nbc-2022-olympics-peacock-streaming-ratings-1235091738/
>  (link) B
> 
> Paul Murray, to John Edwards and moi, Feb 9th:
>> NBC’s Olympics ratings are terrible. That doesn’t mean the Games are 
>> dying.
>> Thanks to social and digital media, the Games could be “one of the 
>> most-viewed video events in U.S. history” 
>> 
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/02/09/nbc-olympics-ratings/

Re: [TV orNotTV] NCIS branching outside the US

[twolper]

My mother loved NCIS and I used to catch snippets of it while visiting her. I 
used to laugh when they would approach a suspect, show their badges, and shout 
“NCIS!” and the suspect would know what that meant.

> On Feb 16, 2022, at 12:59 PM, M-D November  wrote:
> 
> Apparently even CBS wasn't confident in the name when NCIS got spun off from 
> JAG, as when the show premiered, it was titled "Navy NCIS"; the "Navy" got 
> dropped because...well, it's redundant and stupid.
> 
>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 10:46:26 AM UTC-5 Jim Ellwanger wrote:
>> I would bet that the VAST majority of Americans also had no idea what "NCIS" 
>> stood for (or even that it existed) until the original TV series debuted.
>> 
>> 
 On Feb 16, 2022, at 7:44 AM, Doug Eastick  wrote:
 
>>> Canadian here. I had no idea what NCIS stood for until recently.I 
>>> then learned it was something to do with military law enforcement.   Which 
>>> then made me wonder "how much crime can there be WITHIN the military that 
>>> they can cover so many stories".  I know the latter half of that question 
>>> is irrelevant because it's television, but the first question still drove 
>>> me to google and other searching to learn about the scope of NCIS is larger 
>>> than just within the military.
>>> 
>>> Naval Criminal Investigative Service - Wikipedia
>>> 
 On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 9:58 AM Paul Murray  wrote:
 Yet another NCIS spinoff to ignore. My only idle curiosity is what accents 
 the actors will have. By logic, they should be American, except for any 
 locals they work with.
 
 As one who has regularly watched the original, I tried the LA and NO 
 spinoffs and quickly abandoned them. LA in particular seemed so tenuously 
 connected to the navy as to be laughable; it's just another 
 "unconventional law enforcement team" show.
 
 I still watch the original, although I'm currently weeks behind in 
 streaming it. I think it's the TV equivalent of comfort food for me at 
 this point.
 
> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 10:51:15 PM UTC-5 Doug Fields wrote:
> The show is​ based inside the Dept. of Defense (and inside the Navy).  
> But that shouldn't prohibit shows set outside the US, in the same manner 
> that the Navy has bases located in foreign countries all around the 
> world.  Anywhere there is a concentration of Navy or Marine Corps 
> personnel, there will also be field offices of most of the support 
> organizations that serve those branches of the military, definitely 
> including the NCIS.
> 
> Doug Fields
> Tampa, FL
> From: 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 5:41 PM
> To: TVorNotTV 
> Subject: [TV orNotTV] NCIS branching outside the US
>  
> I always took this show to be based inside the Defense Dept, if not the 
> Navy specifically... and yet Shane Brennan, Aussie by birth, is working 
> on a Sydney-based entry in the franchise, which he intends to film there 
> with actors therefrom, but also show on Paramount+... the streamer also 
> announced a "SEAL Team" feature film...
> 
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/ncis-sydney-seal-team-movie-coming-to-paramount-1235093708/
>  (link)
> 
> B
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[TV orNotTV] Re: ViacomCBS is dead. Long live Paramount

[Diner]

Colbert pointed out last night that it was just a week ago that the 
employees' corporate email addresses were finally changed from cbs.com to 
viacomcbs.com, and now they'll have to be changed again. Jon Batiste's 
reaction is pretty funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0_aQcvVK2U


On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 6:01:21 PM UTC-5 Bob Jersey wrote:

> Bob Bakish and Shari Redstone announced the name change in a companywide 
> memo ahead of the company's recent presentation to investors (whence three 
> recent reports by moi on this channel ensued)... the company's stocks will 
> rebrand as of Thursday (Feb 17th)...
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/viacomcbs-to-become-paramount-this-week-1235094237/
>  (link)
>
> B
>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] ViacomCBS is dead. Long live Paramount

[Jim Ellwanger]

Kinney Service Corporation.


> On Feb 16, 2022, at 10:14 AM, Doug Eastick  wrote:
> 
> Coca Cola.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 1:09 PM M-D November  > wrote:
> BRING BACK GULF+WESTERN! :b
> 
> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 6:01:21 PM UTC-5 Bob Jersey wrote:
> Bob Bakish and Shari Redstone announced the name change in a companywide memo 
> ahead of the company's recent presentation to investors (whence three recent 
> reports by moi on this channel ensued)... the company's stocks will rebrand 
> as of Thursday (Feb 17th)...
> 
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/viacomcbs-to-become-paramount-this-week-1235094237/
>  
> 
>  (link)
> 
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: ViacomCBS is dead. Long live Paramount

[Kevin M.]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 10:09 AM M-D November  wrote:

> BRING BACK GULF+WESTERN! :b


Bring back Desilu!


>
> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 6:01:21 PM UTC-5 Bob Jersey wrote:
>
>> Bob Bakish and Shari Redstone announced the name change in a companywide
>> memo ahead of the company's recent presentation to investors (whence three
>> recent reports by moi on this channel ensued)... the company's stocks will
>> rebrand as of Thursday (Feb 17th)...
>>
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/viacomcbs-to-become-paramount-this-week-1235094237/
>>  (link)
>>
>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: ViacomCBS is dead. Long live Paramount

[Doug Eastick]

Coca Cola.


On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 1:09 PM M-D November  wrote:

> BRING BACK GULF+WESTERN! :b
>
> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 6:01:21 PM UTC-5 Bob Jersey wrote:
>
>> Bob Bakish and Shari Redstone announced the name change in a companywide
>> memo ahead of the company's recent presentation to investors (whence three
>> recent reports by moi on this channel ensued)... the company's stocks will
>> rebrand as of Thursday (Feb 17th)...
>>
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/viacomcbs-to-become-paramount-this-week-1235094237/
>>  (link)
>>
>> B
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[TV orNotTV] Re: ViacomCBS is dead. Long live Paramount

[M-D November]

BRING BACK GULF+WESTERN! :b

On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 6:01:21 PM UTC-5 Bob Jersey wrote:

> Bob Bakish and Shari Redstone announced the name change in a companywide 
> memo ahead of the company's recent presentation to investors (whence three 
> recent reports by moi on this channel ensued)... the company's stocks will 
> rebrand as of Thursday (Feb 17th)...
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/viacomcbs-to-become-paramount-this-week-1235094237/
>  (link)
>
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NCIS branching outside the US

[M-D November]

Apparently even CBS wasn't confident in the name when NCIS got spun off 
from JAG, as when the show premiered, it was titled "Navy NCIS"; the "Navy" 
got dropped because...well, it's redundant and stupid.

On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 10:46:26 AM UTC-5 Jim Ellwanger wrote:

> I would bet that the VAST majority of Americans also had no idea what 
> "NCIS" stood for (or even that it existed) until the original TV series 
> debuted.
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2022, at 7:44 AM, Doug Eastick  wrote:
>
> Canadian here. I had no idea what NCIS stood for until recently.I 
> then learned it was something to do with military law enforcement.   Which 
> then made me wonder "how much crime can there be WITHIN the military that 
> they can cover so many stories".  I know the latter half of that question 
> is irrelevant because it's television, but the first question still drove 
> me to google and other searching to learn about the scope of NCIS is larger 
> than just within the military.
>
> Naval Criminal Investigative Service - Wikipedia 
> 
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 9:58 AM Paul Murray  wrote:
>
>> Yet another NCIS spinoff to ignore. My only idle curiosity is what 
>> accents the actors will have. By logic, they should be American, except for 
>> any locals they work with.
>>
>> As one who has regularly watched the original, I tried the LA and NO 
>> spinoffs and quickly abandoned them. LA in particular seemed so tenuously 
>> connected to the navy as to be laughable; it's just another "unconventional 
>> law enforcement team" show.
>>
>> I still watch the original, although I'm currently weeks behind in 
>> streaming it. I think it's the TV equivalent of comfort food for me at this 
>> point.
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 10:51:15 PM UTC-5 Doug Fields wrote:
>>
>>> The show *is*​ based inside the Dept. of Defense (and inside the 
>>> Navy).  But that shouldn't prohibit shows set outside the US, in the same 
>>> manner that the Navy has bases located in foreign countries all around the 
>>> world.  Anywhere there is a concentration of Navy or Marine Corps 
>>> personnel, there will also be field offices of most of the support 
>>> organizations that serve those branches of the military, definitely 
>>> including the NCIS.
>>>
>>> Doug Fields
>>> Tampa, FL
>>> --
>>> *From:* 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 15, 2022 5:41 PM
>>> *To:* TVorNotTV 
>>> *Subject:* [TV orNotTV] NCIS branching outside the US 
>>>  
>>> I always took this show to be based inside the Defense Dept, if not the 
>>> Navy specifically... and yet Shane Brennan, Aussie by birth, is working on 
>>> a Sydney-based entry in the franchise, which he intends to film there with 
>>> actors therefrom, but also show on Paramount+... the streamer also 
>>> announced a "SEAL Team" feature film... 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/ncis-sydney-seal-team-movie-coming-to-paramount-1235093708/
>>>  (link)
>>>
>>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NCIS branching outside the US

[Adam Bowie]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 2:58 PM Paul Murray  wrote:

> Yet another NCIS spinoff to ignore. My only idle curiosity is what accents
> the actors will have. By logic, they should be American, except for any
> locals they work with.
>
> As one who has regularly watched the original, I tried the LA and NO
> spinoffs and quickly abandoned them. LA in particular seemed so tenuously
> connected to the navy as to be laughable; it's just another "unconventional
> law enforcement team" show.
>
> I still watch the original, although I'm currently weeks behind in
> streaming it. I think it's the TV equivalent of comfort food for me at this
> point.
>
>
I guess this will either be about:

- American Naval folk in Australia (with mostly Australians putting on US
accents for the US characters) or
- A fully-localised show, as various countries have previously done with
Law & Order. ie. Australians playing *Australian* Naval folk. The fact that
Australia's military police probably aren't called "NCIS" is no more a
barrier than crime scene investigators not being called "CSI" everywhere.

Now I'm imagining a British version called "NCIS: Portsmouth." Most of the
crimes would be about drunken sailors breaking windows and getting into pub
fights.


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Re: [TV orNotTV] NCIS branching outside the US

[Jim Ellwanger]

I would bet that the VAST majority of Americans also had no idea what "NCIS" 
stood for (or even that it existed) until the original TV series debuted.


> On Feb 16, 2022, at 7:44 AM, Doug Eastick  wrote:
> 
> Canadian here. I had no idea what NCIS stood for until recently.I 
> then learned it was something to do with military law enforcement.   Which 
> then made me wonder "how much crime can there be WITHIN the military that 
> they can cover so many stories".  I know the latter half of that question is 
> irrelevant because it's television, but the first question still drove me to 
> google and other searching to learn about the scope of NCIS is larger than 
> just within the military.
> 
> Naval Criminal Investigative Service - Wikipedia 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 9:58 AM Paul Murray  > wrote:
> Yet another NCIS spinoff to ignore. My only idle curiosity is what accents 
> the actors will have. By logic, they should be American, except for any 
> locals they work with.
> 
> As one who has regularly watched the original, I tried the LA and NO spinoffs 
> and quickly abandoned them. LA in particular seemed so tenuously connected to 
> the navy as to be laughable; it's just another "unconventional law 
> enforcement team" show.
> 
> I still watch the original, although I'm currently weeks behind in streaming 
> it. I think it's the TV equivalent of comfort food for me at this point.
> 
> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 10:51:15 PM UTC-5 Doug Fields wrote:
> The show is​ based inside the Dept. of Defense (and inside the Navy).  But 
> that shouldn't prohibit shows set outside the US, in the same manner that the 
> Navy has bases located in foreign countries all around the world.  Anywhere 
> there is a concentration of Navy or Marine Corps personnel, there will also 
> be field offices of most of the support organizations that serve those 
> branches of the military, definitely including the NCIS.
> 
> Doug Fields
> Tampa, FL
> From: 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV >
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 5:41 PM
> To: TVorNotTV >
> Subject: [TV orNotTV] NCIS branching outside the US
>  
> I always took this show to be based inside the Defense Dept, if not the Navy 
> specifically... and yet Shane Brennan, Aussie by birth, is working on a 
> Sydney-based entry in the franchise, which he intends to film there with 
> actors therefrom, but also show on Paramount+... the streamer also announced 
> a "SEAL Team" feature film...
> 
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/ncis-sydney-seal-team-movie-coming-to-paramount-1235093708/
>  
> 
>  (link)
> 
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NCIS branching outside the US

[Doug Eastick]

Canadian here. I had no idea what NCIS stood for until recently.I
then learned it was something to do with military law enforcement.   Which
then made me wonder "how much crime can there be WITHIN the military that
they can cover so many stories".  I know the latter half of that question
is irrelevant because it's television, but the first question still drove
me to google and other searching to learn about the scope of NCIS is larger
than just within the military.

Naval Criminal Investigative Service - Wikipedia


On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 9:58 AM Paul Murray  wrote:

> Yet another NCIS spinoff to ignore. My only idle curiosity is what accents
> the actors will have. By logic, they should be American, except for any
> locals they work with.
>
> As one who has regularly watched the original, I tried the LA and NO
> spinoffs and quickly abandoned them. LA in particular seemed so tenuously
> connected to the navy as to be laughable; it's just another "unconventional
> law enforcement team" show.
>
> I still watch the original, although I'm currently weeks behind in
> streaming it. I think it's the TV equivalent of comfort food for me at this
> point.
>
> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 10:51:15 PM UTC-5 Doug Fields wrote:
>
>> The show *is*​ based inside the Dept. of Defense (and inside the Navy).
>> But that shouldn't prohibit shows set outside the US, in the same manner
>> that the Navy has bases located in foreign countries all around the world.
>> Anywhere there is a concentration of Navy or Marine Corps personnel, there
>> will also be field offices of most of the support organizations that serve
>> those branches of the military, definitely including the NCIS.
>>
>> Doug Fields
>> Tampa, FL
>> --
>> *From:* 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 15, 2022 5:41 PM
>> *To:* TVorNotTV 
>> *Subject:* [TV orNotTV] NCIS branching outside the US
>>
>> I always took this show to be based inside the Defense Dept, if not the
>> Navy specifically... and yet Shane Brennan, Aussie by birth, is working on
>> a Sydney-based entry in the franchise, which he intends to film there with
>> actors therefrom, but also show on Paramount+... the streamer also
>> announced a "SEAL Team" feature film...
>>
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/ncis-sydney-seal-team-movie-coming-to-paramount-1235093708/
>>  (link)
>>
>> B
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Zucker out at CNN

[PGage]

So this definitely the other shoe dropping, or at least beginning to drop.
CNN’s Bryant Stelter, in his newsletter on this last night, made the key
observation:

“*Based on interviews of more than 40 individuals and a review of over
100,000 texts and emails, the investigation found violations of Company
policies, including CNN's News Standards and Practices, by Jeff Zucker,
Allison Gollust, and Chris Cuomo."*

*So Kilar is specifically referencing the newsroom's standards and
practices guidebook. Zucker's resignation memo referenced his failure to
disclose his romantic relationship with Gollust, a violation of business
conduct, not news standards.”*
https://view.newsletters.cnn.com/messages/16449872977794c7c812bc476/raw

It never really made sense that Zucker (who is an asshole) would be fired
for not formally disclosing a romantic relationship that everyone in the
company already knew about. It does make sense that he was fired for
violating core news standards, apparently having to do with being more
aware and even involved with Chris’s efforts to help brother Andrew out.

Whether Zucker(and his GF Gollust) were actually guilty of News standards
violations will now be in dispute, but he was forced out of his powerful
job at CNN because his superiors were convinced he was. Or because Cuomo
had information that could make it look like he was, and was threatening to
disclose it unless he got paid.

Bottom line, Zucker got in trouble because he was in bed with the Cuomos,
not because he was in bed with Gollust. Something like this was always a
real danger as soon as they brought the brother of the nation’s most
powerful governor in to be their highest profile anchor, a situation that
required the most aggressive and disciplined management, and instead
increasingly was managed sloppy and off the cuff.


On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 at 5:38 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> The woman on the other end of that relationship, Allison Gollust, is also
> parting, after she was found to have (also) been involved in the sitch
> involving the Cuomos...
>
>
> https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/allison-gollust-resign-cnn-warnermedia-1235183160/
>  (link)
>B
>
> PGage, to Paul Murray, Feb 2nd:
>
>> I may not have mentioned recently that Jeff Zucker is an asshole.
>>
>> If the truth is as reported, the relationship per se should not have
>> resulted in his losing his job. Two divorced adults in a consensual sexual
>> relationship. He is her boss, and should have registered it with HR (as we
>> learned in “The Office”), but that omission by itself is not a capital
>> crime.
>>
>> I think the problem is that Zucker dragged his feet with and protected
>> Cuomo, and now it looks like that damaging decision may have been driven by
>> his own situation.
>>
>> I am going to think of Zucker as losing his job because of how he dealt
>> with Cuomo, not because he did not file the proper paperwork.
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NCIS branching outside the US

[Paul Murray]

Yet another NCIS spinoff to ignore. My only idle curiosity is what accents 
the actors will have. By logic, they should be American, except for any 
locals they work with.

As one who has regularly watched the original, I tried the LA and NO 
spinoffs and quickly abandoned them. LA in particular seemed so tenuously 
connected to the navy as to be laughable; it's just another "unconventional 
law enforcement team" show.

I still watch the original, although I'm currently weeks behind in 
streaming it. I think it's the TV equivalent of comfort food for me at this 
point.

On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 10:51:15 PM UTC-5 Doug Fields wrote:

> The show *is*​ based inside the Dept. of Defense (and inside the Navy).  
> But that shouldn't prohibit shows set outside the US, in the same manner 
> that the Navy has bases located in foreign countries all around the world.  
> Anywhere there is a concentration of Navy or Marine Corps personnel, there 
> will also be field offices of most of the support organizations that serve 
> those branches of the military, definitely including the NCIS.
>
> Doug Fields
> Tampa, FL
> --
> *From:* 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 15, 2022 5:41 PM
> *To:* TVorNotTV 
> *Subject:* [TV orNotTV] NCIS branching outside the US 
>  
> I always took this show to be based inside the Defense Dept, if not the 
> Navy specifically... and yet Shane Brennan, Aussie by birth, is working on 
> a Sydney-based entry in the franchise, which he intends to film there with 
> actors therefrom, but also show on Paramount+... the streamer also 
> announced a "SEAL Team" feature film... 
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/ncis-sydney-seal-team-movie-coming-to-paramount-1235093708/
>  (link)
>
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] So long, P.J. O'Rourke

[Jesse Nahan]

Just the other day I was looking through my set of P.J. O'Rourke books. I
don't share his politics, but his writing made me laugh. I read "Holidays
in Hell" during my first trip to Thailand and was hooked. Sometimes when
I'm watching people look uncomfortable on cable news, I'm reminded of a
comment he made years ago after his first appearance as a talking head,
"They never tell you how hard it is to never move your head" :-)

Jesse


On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 8:16 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> One of the few truly-entertaining right-wingers, of which there aren't too
> many anymore, at least in politics itself... classic line he told the NYT
> in 2010:  “The Democrats are the party that says government will make you
> smarter, taller, richer and remove the crab grass on your lawn. The
> Republicans are the party that says government doesn’t work and then get
> elected and prove it.”
>
> In Sharon, NH; 74.
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/15/books/pj-orourke-dead.html (link)
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Zucker out at CNN

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

The woman on the other end of that relationship, Allison Gollust, is also 
parting, after she was found to have (also) been involved in the sitch 
involving the Cuomos...

https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/allison-gollust-resign-cnn-warnermedia-1235183160/
 (link)  
   B

PGage, to Paul Murray, Feb 2nd:

> I may not have mentioned recently that Jeff Zucker is an asshole.
>
> If the truth is as reported, the relationship per se should not have 
> resulted in his losing his job. Two divorced adults in a consensual sexual 
> relationship. He is her boss, and should have registered it with HR (as we 
> learned in “The Office”), but that omission by itself is not a capital 
> crime.
>
> I think the problem is that Zucker dragged his feet with and protected 
> Cuomo, and now it looks like that damaging decision may have been driven by 
> his own situation. 
>
> I am going to think of Zucker as losing his job because of how he dealt 
> with Cuomo, not because he did not file the proper paperwork.
>

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[TV orNotTV] AMC up to 9mil paid streamers

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

Far from that of most of their competition, but at least they're battling 
for position with Peacock!

https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/amc-networks-streaming-subscribers-q4-earnings-1235182303/
 (link)

B
(I'm in a racin' mood, Daytona 500 on tap)

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Great News Everyone!

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

There sure is.  Let John D tell you himself.

https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/futurama-revival-bender-voice-actor-john-dimaggio-1235183272/
 (link)  
   B

Tom Wolper, to Kevin M, Feb 10th

> There must be a pay dispute holding him back.
>

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[TV orNotTV] Re: Bloom County: The Animated Series

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

So Miramax is still of this Earth (49% held by Paramount [q.v.]), as is Mr 
Breathed. G_d bless him. B

Kevin M, Feb 15th:

> This makes me happy  
>
>
> https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/bloom-county-animated-fox-berkeley-breathed-1235182440/
>

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[TV orNotTV] So long, P.J. O'Rourke

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

One of the few truly-entertaining right-wingers, of which there aren't too 
many anymore, at least in politics itself... classic line he told the NYT 
in 2010:  “The Democrats are the party that says government will make you 
smarter, taller, richer and remove the crab grass on your lawn. The 
Republicans are the party that says government doesn’t work and then get 
elected and prove it.”

In Sharon, NH; 74.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/15/books/pj-orourke-dead.html (link)

B

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