A big part of David Simon’s Homicide book was challenging the tropes of TV crime shows by describing what real cops and the criminal justice system do. Then the Homicide TV series and David Mitch’s NYPD Blue told stories based on a more realistic way of looking at police work. Then CSI came along and reverted to the old tropes and since then the police procedurals are getting consistently more formulaic and less real.
> On Feb 16, 2022, at 10:40 PM, Doug Eastick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Wow the Ken Levine article is just perfect. Really perfect. > > > > /Doug > [email protected] > >> On Wed., Feb. 16, 2022, 5:08 p.m. Diner, <[email protected]> wrote: >> Ken Levine wrote on his blog about how on the "Hawaii Five-O" reboot, even >> tourists from the mainland seem to know what "Five-O" means... >> https://kenlevine.blogspot.com/2011/04/how-to-create-hit-network-drama.html >> >> On "Law & Order: Organized Crime," Elliot Stabler works for the "Organized >> Crime Control Bureau." >> Every time I hear that in the intro, I think of the OCB (Organized Crime >> Bureau) which Vinny Terranova worked for on "Wiseguy." >> >> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 2:01:52 PM UTC-5 Tom Wolper wrote: >>> My mother loved NCIS and I used to catch snippets of it while visiting her. >>> I used to laugh when they would approach a suspect, show their badges, and >>> shout “NCIS!” and the suspect would know what that meant. >>> >>>>> On Feb 16, 2022, at 12:59 PM, M-D November <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>> Apparently even CBS wasn't confident in the name when NCIS got spun off >>>> from JAG, as when the show premiered, it was titled "Navy NCIS"; the >>>> "Navy" got dropped because...well, it's redundant and stupid. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 10:46:26 AM UTC-5 Jim Ellwanger wrote: >>>>> I would bet that the VAST majority of Americans also had no idea what >>>>> "NCIS" stood for (or even that it existed) until the original TV series >>>>> debuted. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2022, at 7:44 AM, Doug Eastick <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>> Canadian here..... I had no idea what NCIS stood for until recently. >>>>>> I then learned it was something to do with military law enforcement. >>>>>> Which then made me wonder "how much crime can there be WITHIN the >>>>>> military that they can cover so many stories". I know the latter half >>>>>> of that question is irrelevant because it's television, but the first >>>>>> question still drove me to google and other searching to learn about the >>>>>> scope of NCIS is larger than just within the military. >>>>>> >>>>>> Naval Criminal Investigative Service - Wikipedia >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 9:58 AM Paul Murray <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Yet another NCIS spinoff to ignore. My only idle curiosity is what >>>>>>> accents the actors will have. By logic, they should be American, except >>>>>>> for any locals they work with. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As one who has regularly watched the original, I tried the LA and NO >>>>>>> spinoffs and quickly abandoned them. LA in particular seemed so >>>>>>> tenuously connected to the navy as to be laughable; it's just another >>>>>>> "unconventional law enforcement team" show. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I still watch the original, although I'm currently weeks behind in >>>>>>> streaming it. I think it's the TV equivalent of comfort food for me at >>>>>>> this point. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 10:51:15 PM UTC-5 Doug Fields wrote: >>>>>>>> The show is based inside the Dept. of Defense (and inside the Navy). >>>>>>>> But that shouldn't prohibit shows set outside the US, in the same >>>>>>>> manner that the Navy has bases located in foreign countries all around >>>>>>>> the world. Anywhere there is a concentration of Navy or Marine Corps >>>>>>>> personnel, there will also be field offices of most of the support >>>>>>>> organizations that serve those branches of the military, definitely >>>>>>>> including the NCIS. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Doug Fields >>>>>>>> Tampa, FL >>>>>>>> From: 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 5:41 PM >>>>>>>> To: TVorNotTV <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Subject: [TV orNotTV] NCIS branching outside the US >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I always took this show to be based inside the Defense Dept, if not >>>>>>>> the Navy specifically... and yet Shane Brennan, Aussie by birth, is >>>>>>>> working on a Sydney-based entry in the franchise, which he intends to >>>>>>>> film there with actors therefrom, but also show on Paramount+... the >>>>>>>> streamer also announced a "SEAL Team" feature film... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/ncis-sydney-seal-team-movie-coming-to-paramount-1235093708/ >>>>>>>> (link) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> B >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/71dc1e59-84b6-4976-8b9e-916921a83b78n%40googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/b239be8e-578b-46d9-97fd-3ced88f2d9d1n%40googlegroups.com. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAK5Q1BpxzeqLqoeAO%3DGRw83s97_SNLTx_wcgEWnbgELx2Qe3CQ%40mail.gmail.com. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "TVorNotTV" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>> >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/524a799a-97a5-47fe-830b-8a4cd22fe2a7n%40googlegroups.com. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/bb800d92-9f2f-40bf-8190-ae7951cfac85n%40googlegroups.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAK5Q1BrMNxuca-E-r6pGj%2BYNrjnqRo0C782Atx3_yo2%2BaU08NQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. 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