Re: [TV orNotTV] Our condolences to Kevin...

[Kevin M.]

Welcome to the TDF team!

This has indeed been a good race this year; next year being an Olympic
year, it will be less dramatic as riders get extra cautious to avoid injury
so they can try to go for the gold. To me that’s dumb because the Tour de
France is considered the biggest event in cycling, but a gold medal is a
gold medal.

As for the announcers trying to eliminate Lance from the race history, Phil
remains supportive of Lance and has even had him do some guest commentating
during the race in recent years. But his wins are void in the eyes of the
race, so yeah he doesn’t get the mention in moments where he used to shine
(those long, treacherous mountain climbs, for instance).

In terms of the doping, it’s always going to be an element of cycling, both
the potentiality and the actuality. I’ve joked here and elsewhere that
there’s simply no way a normal human can ascend multiple Alps in record
times over the course of a few days without some degree of performance
enhancement. So either the doping is happening, or the cyclists ain’t human.

They’ve made a big deal of having access to the team radios this year, but
whenever they broadcast it, it is underwhelming. I guess I expected more
discussion of strategy, but it’s mostly guys saying “you’re doing great”.

Time trials are Tuesday after the rest day. It’s a very different vibe than
the traditional stages, so I’ll be interested in your perception of that
day.

On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 10:13 PM PGage  wrote:

> Thanks to the Netflix show, I finally have a (very) basic understanding of
> the structure and strategy of the TDF. I was otherwise committed the first
> week, but had not heard any spoilers, so last Saturday I started watching
> the first leg. I got hooked, and have watched almost all of every stage
> (about 85-90% - I find there are periods when you can tell that nothing
> much is going to change for like 30 or 60 minutes, then I FF, and if
> nothing has changed I might FF a little more, if something has changed I go
> back). I just caught up today, and can now take a well earned day off from
> the Tour tomorrow.
>
> I gather not every year is quite as magnificent as this one has been, so I
> guess I am spoiled now and will be bummed when future Tours don’t match up.
> But I am really digging it.
>
> It is interesting to see how the commentators (I watch on Peacock) have
> completely erased Lance Armstrong from the history of the event. They have
> gotten in a Greg LeMond reference at least once a day, but even when
> discussing the decline in popularity of cycling in the US in the last 10 or
> 15 years they don’t acknowledge Armstrong or the whole doping scandal. They
> have had segments on breakthroughs in technology and nutrition and training
> which allow increases in performance, which without saying as much I take
> it are attempts to allay suspicions of people like me that part of the
> explanation for the amazing performances we are seeing is doping. It is
> only kind of working.
>
>
> On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 at 9:37 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>
>> Kevin is not the only person in this group gutted by the Cavendish news.
>> Still, the overall race is going so strongly that it's almost as though it
>> was being scripted for the next series of the Tour de France Netflix
>> documentary!
>>
>> My side hustle is being one of the producers on this podcast:
>> https://thecyclingpodcast.com/
>>
>> I'm currently in France, and tomorrow will be riding the route of Stage
>> 15 of this year's Tour in an event called L'Étape du Tour, alongside 16,000
>> other amateur riders. The weather is currently forecast to reach 34C (93F)
>> which should be fun for 100m route that covers around half the height of
>> Everest in altitude - 4,200m.
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Jul 2023, 18:03 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV, <
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> No live viewing, even on weekends? Guess he doesn't get up early... I
>>> don't either... B
>>>
>>> Kevin M, to moi, July 8th:
>>>
>>> Dude, spoilers… it’s literally the only sports event I watch all year
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Our condolences to Kevin...

[PGage]

Thanks to the Netflix show, I finally have a (very) basic understanding of
the structure and strategy of the TDF. I was otherwise committed the first
week, but had not heard any spoilers, so last Saturday I started watching
the first leg. I got hooked, and have watched almost all of every stage
(about 85-90% - I find there are periods when you can tell that nothing
much is going to change for like 30 or 60 minutes, then I FF, and if
nothing has changed I might FF a little more, if something has changed I go
back). I just caught up today, and can now take a well earned day off from
the Tour tomorrow.

I gather not every year is quite as magnificent as this one has been, so I
guess I am spoiled now and will be bummed when future Tours don’t match up.
But I am really digging it.

It is interesting to see how the commentators (I watch on Peacock) have
completely erased Lance Armstrong from the history of the event. They have
gotten in a Greg LeMond reference at least once a day, but even when
discussing the decline in popularity of cycling in the US in the last 10 or
15 years they don’t acknowledge Armstrong or the whole doping scandal. They
have had segments on breakthroughs in technology and nutrition and training
which allow increases in performance, which without saying as much I take
it are attempts to allay suspicions of people like me that part of the
explanation for the amazing performances we are seeing is doping. It is
only kind of working.


On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 at 9:37 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:

> Kevin is not the only person in this group gutted by the Cavendish news.
> Still, the overall race is going so strongly that it's almost as though it
> was being scripted for the next series of the Tour de France Netflix
> documentary!
>
> My side hustle is being one of the producers on this podcast:
> https://thecyclingpodcast.com/
>
> I'm currently in France, and tomorrow will be riding the route of Stage 15
> of this year's Tour in an event called L'Étape du Tour, alongside 16,000
> other amateur riders. The weather is currently forecast to reach 34C (93F)
> which should be fun for 100m route that covers around half the height of
> Everest in altitude - 4,200m.
>
> On Sat, 8 Jul 2023, 18:03 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV, <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> No live viewing, even on weekends? Guess he doesn't get up early... I
>> don't either... B
>>
>> Kevin M, to moi, July 8th:
>>
>> Dude, spoilers… it’s literally the only sports event I watch all year
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] ItllBeOnTV: Tay-Tay first woman with four albums in top 10 on Billboard 200

[Kevin M.]

It’s a formula, but it takes skill to pull it off. Among the best to set
the template for it is the Grateful Dead who made more money as de facto
cult leaders than they did as musicians. Madonna, Prince, and Lady Gaga
managed to be successful with both album sales and touring (Gaga was the
one who finally tipped the Dead in concert sales) as well as establishing a
rabid fandom. Several pop artists have worked it in the short term (Bieber,
Spice Girls, and even early acts like Elvis and the Beatles). What Swift
has done better than most is position herself to be a long term player. In
fifty years, Swift will still sell out stadiums, not necessarily because
she’s the best at what she does, but because she and her management know
how to adapt to changing times and to simultaneously attract different aged
audiences.

Personally I find her music utterly forgettable… not bad, but not good
either. Some bad music thrives as an earworm. Some bad music thrives
because of the character of the performers. Swift music is just innocuous
and barely worth criticizing… it is perfect for a dentist’s waiting room or
a SuperBowl halftime show, inasmuch as it can exist regardless of whether
anyone is paying it any attention. It is nebulous. It is pop personified.

On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 5:46 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> The Taylor Swift phenomenon is something I have never seen. I wonder if
> it’s a template for the future, where pop stars can rev up armies of
> obsessive fans, or if she is a one-time celebrity and after she passes from
> the pop scene record companies and publicists will be pushing each new star
> as “The next Taylor Swift” but it will be clear that’s not the case.
>
> On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 7:56 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Herb Alpert and Prince also achieved the feat. She also passed Streisand
>> with her twelfth career #1 longplayer...
>>
>> https://variety.com/2023/music/news/speak-now-chart-taylor-swift-first-woman-four-albums-top-10-1235671562/
>>  (link)
>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] ItllBeOnTV: Tay-Tay first woman with four albums in top 10 on Billboard 200

[Tom Wolper]

The Taylor Swift phenomenon is something I have never seen. I wonder if
it’s a template for the future, where pop stars can rev up armies of
obsessive fans, or if she is a one-time celebrity and after she passes from
the pop scene record companies and publicists will be pushing each new star
as “The next Taylor Swift” but it will be clear that’s not the case.

On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 7:56 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Herb Alpert and Prince also achieved the feat. She also passed Streisand
> with her twelfth career #1 longplayer...
>
> https://variety.com/2023/music/news/speak-now-chart-taylor-swift-first-woman-four-albums-top-10-1235671562/
>  (link)
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[TV orNotTV] Someone asked Neil Gaiman last week...

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

...if watching movies/TV constitutes crossing the picket lines:
https://www.tumblr.com/neil-gaiman/722696522150641664/hi-mr-gaiman-i-always-thought-if-i-were-to?source=share
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[TV orNotTV] ItllBeOnTV: Tay-Tay first woman with four albums in top 10 on Billboard 200

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

Herb Alpert and Prince also achieved the feat. She also passed Streisand 
with her twelfth career #1 longplayer...
https://variety.com/2023/music/news/speak-now-chart-taylor-swift-first-woman-four-albums-top-10-1235671562/
 (link)
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[TV orNotTV] "Golden Bachelor" to be revealed tomorrow (7/17)

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

On "GMA," apparently... 
Mark J  
(link) and Brad 
 (link) 
reported on it previously... but a back-of-head shot is in this...
https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/the-golden-bachelor-abc-first-look-1235671462/
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[TV orNotTV] "We know who said that, and we know where he [bleeping] lives... Be careful"

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

So said Ron Perlman, in a since-deleted Instagram post, to an unnamed 
studio exec who, in a Tuesday interview with Deadline, said the writers' 
strike should drag on until it causes walkers to lose their apartments and 
houses...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoniopequenoiv/2023/07/14/be-careful-ron-perlman-releases-menacing-message-blasting-executive-who-said-wga-strike-will-cause-home-losses/?sh=486d0fc35df6
 (link; 
soft paywall)
https://deadline.com/2023/07/writers-strike-hollywood-studios-deal-fight-wga-actors-1235434335/
 (exec 
interview)
https://twitter.com/hearinladotcom/status/1679944957984133120?s=20 (a 
screenshot of Perlman's very-NSFW post)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "Gilmore Girls" co-star b!tches about lack of residuals

[Mark Jeffries]

Gunn seems to be claiming that before Netflix commissioned the mini-series
continuation, Warners (two owners ago) was handling the syndication of
"Gilmore" and paying out residuals, but since Netflix claimed streaming
exclusivity over the series (although it's sold to the indie Up! and
Paramount's Logo cable channels) the residuals have been slow in coming if
at all.

Mark Jeffries
spotligh...@gmail.com


On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 5:57 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

> A regular on "Orange is the New Black" showed her residual payments. It
> was for $27. It appears the original TikTok has been taken down. It's not
> clear about the time period for these payments.
>
> https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8RFGSYn/
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 6:32 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Not of the Girls, but Sean Gunn, brother of the DC boss, who played the
>> quirky Kirk... he gets paid the same paltry sum whenever and wherever the
>> show is streamed...
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/sean-gunn-netflix-residuals-gilmore-girls-1235536762/
>>  (link)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "Gilmore Girls" co-star b!tches about lack of residuals

[Steve Timko]

A regular on "Orange is the New Black" showed her residual payments. It was
for $27. It appears the original TikTok has been taken down. It's not clear
about the time period for these payments.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8RFGSYn/


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> Not of the Girls, but Sean Gunn, brother of the DC boss, who played the
> quirky Kirk... he gets paid the same paltry sum whenever and wherever the
> show is streamed...
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/sean-gunn-netflix-residuals-gilmore-girls-1235536762/
>  (link)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: ACC sports added to CW portfolio

[Brad Beam]

Fortunately, the Brawl is scheduled for a night game on ABC 9/16; Morgantown falls under the Pittsburgh market (though with a couple Clarksburg stations piped in).On Jul 15, 2023, at 17:38, Tom Wolper  wrote:Pittsburgh has announced at least one football game will air on WPCW, which by fall will be the former CW station.On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 2:26 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV  wrote:Sidechannels (whether available on cable or not), here we come...     BBrad Beam, to moi, July 15th:Also, it becomes more of a scramble in Pittsburgh and Atlanta (Georgia Tech) to line up replacement affiliates.The Bunch/Raycom thingie had already been sending games to either over-the-air stations or the NBC RSN in Philly... who sometimes had to push them to their Plus channel, which only Service Electric and nobody else carries where I am in the northern reaches of the market...     B



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[TV orNotTV] "Gilmore Girls" co-star b!tches about lack of residuals

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

Not of the Girls, but Sean Gunn, brother of the DC boss, who played the 
quirky Kirk... he gets paid the same paltry sum whenever and wherever the 
show is streamed...
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/sean-gunn-netflix-residuals-gilmore-girls-1235536762/
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[TV orNotTV] Dolly Parton: "I'll just hopefully drop dead..."

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While on stage. She's one of those people...
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/music-news/dolly-parton-no-plans-retirement-1235537651/
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[TV orNotTV] So long, Jane Birkin

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

Born in Britain, but a French legend, almost from jump going full-frontal 
in 1966's *Blow-Up, *but mainly for her years with Serge Gainsbourg (their 
seductive hit "Je t'aime... moi non plus" from 1967 was made into an erotic 
film by actress her and director him in 1976)... she stayed active 
practically to the end, performing with Iggy Pop (I wonder what) on 
Fallon's Tonight Show 3/4/2020... and let's not forget those namesake 
handbags you ca(i)n't just walk into a Hermés store and grab... at her 
French home; 76.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12304011/Jane-Birkin-died-report.html
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