[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter is not making money

2009-07-20 Thread Vision Jinx
Re: "Twitter is not making money" I wasn't going to add to this thread being a developer group and all, but according to Twitter... (we spend more money than we make) http://twitter.com/about#money Q: How do you make money from Twitter? A: Twitter has many appealing opportunities for generatin

[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter is not making money

2009-07-19 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Jennie Lees wrote: > I've been working on commercialising sentiment analysis research, > specifically tuned to microblogs and social media, and my investigations - > both academic and talking to potential customers - lead me to believe it > really is worth doing.

[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter is not making money

2009-07-19 Thread Jennie Lees
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:02 AM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > Man, it is so good to hear this from someone who's actually done it! > The other point, though, is that the "real thing", even traffic / > social network analysis, is compute-resource intensive and requires a > kind of programming k

[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter is not making money

2009-07-19 Thread Andrew Badera
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 4:47 AM, Andrew Badera wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 6:57 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky > wrote: > >> >> On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:53 AM, Kevin Mesiab >> wrote: >> > A per follower charge is a fast way to obliterate the value of Twitter >> as a >> > platform. >> >> I d

[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter is not making money

2009-07-19 Thread Andrew Badera
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 6:57 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:53 AM, Kevin Mesiab > wrote: > > A per follower charge is a fast way to obliterate the value of Twitter as > a > > platform. > > I disagree. Businesses are using Twitter to listen to their customers > and

[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter is not making money

2009-07-18 Thread Nick Arnett
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 4:02 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > > Netflix, even without the contributions of the contest teams, is doing > pretty well too. ;-) Different problem - they're aggregating votes, not trying to interpret language. Although it is certainly possible that some of the co

[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter is not making money

2009-07-18 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: > If you think there are no well-funded, successful companies in this domain, > take a look at Nielsen/Buzzmetrics.  They've been at this for more than 10 > years.  They acquired my patents, from a startup where we demonstrated basic > sentiment

[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter is not making money

2009-07-18 Thread Chad Etzel
Bayesian filters are actually pretty good at "sentiment analysis" - of course the quality of the classification is based upon the corpus of information fed into the filters. I implemented this for a while with http://flixpulse.com for movie review tweet analysis. It wasn't perfect, but the filte

[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter is not making money

2009-07-18 Thread Nick Arnett
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 3:53 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > > > And there is > http://twittersentiment.appspot.com/, a research project by some grad > students at Stanford. Perhaps you've heard of two other Stanford grad > students, Sergey Brin and Larry Page? Gilt by association? Nick

[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter is not making money

2009-07-18 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:53 AM, Kevin Mesiab wrote: > A per follower charge is a fast way to obliterate the value of Twitter as a > platform. I disagree. Businesses are using Twitter to listen to their customers and to engage with them. I think a business should be allowed to follow as many cus

[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter is not making money

2009-07-18 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:49 AM, David Fisher wrote: > > Show me these killer companies doing great NLP with social networks. NLP, especially sentiment analysis, is hard. The fact that tweets aren't English but an evolving language makes it harder. But there are certainly companies, for example

[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter is not making money

2009-07-18 Thread Nick Arnett
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:49 AM, David Fisher wrote: > > Show me these killer companies doing great NLP with social networks. I > find the ones that are doing stuff right now themselves are far behind > the curve and not really pushing stuff to the edge. They are often > marketing companies that

[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter is not making money

2009-07-18 Thread Kevin Mesiab
A per follower charge is a fast way to obliterate the value of Twitter as a platform. However, if any of you think that Twitter hasn't already defined and begun executing upon their monetization strategy, you are woefully naive. ;) On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:29 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: >

[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter is not making money

2009-07-18 Thread David Fisher
Show me these killer companies doing great NLP with social networks. I find the ones that are doing stuff right now themselves are far behind the curve and not really pushing stuff to the edge. They are often marketing companies that have hired one NLP guy (and underpaid them) and are just pushing

[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter is not making money

2009-07-18 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
On Jul 16, 1:14 pm, Stuart wrote: > Twitter have a business plan, we're just not worthy enough to know all > the details. What we know so far is that they're planning to launch a > premium account type with a bunch of tools to aid brand and engagement > tracking. I've got news for you ... Twitt

[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter is not making money

2009-07-16 Thread David Fisher
Don't feed the trolls. Name a Venture backed startup that DOESNT run on VC for the first few years. Ok? Right. Stupid topic. Lets move on and talk about things that matter (ie. development) On Jul 16, 4:34 pm, Andrew Badera wrote: > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: > > > On T

[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter is not making money

2009-07-16 Thread Andrew Badera
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Stuart wrote: >> >> >> Twitter have a business plan, we're just not worthy enough to know all >> the details. What we know so far is that they're planning to launch a >> premium account type with a bunch o

[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter is not making money

2009-07-16 Thread Nick Arnett
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Stuart wrote: > > > Twitter have a business plan, we're just not worthy enough to know all > the details. What we know so far is that they're planning to launch a > premium account type with a bunch of tools to aid brand and engagement > tracking. If Twitter can ma

[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter is not making money

2009-07-16 Thread Stuart
2009/7/16 Michael Yardley : > > They are just running on Venture Capital.When the money runs out they > will have to start chraging.You cannot run a business for FREE.People > should have to pay to Twitter.So much a Tweet. LOL You really need to do some research before trolling like this. Twitte

[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter is not making money

2009-07-16 Thread Dale Merritt
charge per API query? Oopps On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Michael Yardley > wrote: > >> >> They are just running on Venture Capital.When the money runs out they >> will have to start chraging.You cannot run a business for FREE.Peo

[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter is not making money

2009-07-16 Thread Nick Arnett
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Michael Yardley wrote: > > They are just running on Venture Capital.When the money runs out they > will have to start chraging.You cannot run a business for FREE.People > should have to pay to Twitter.So much a Tweet. LOL Yeah, just like Google started charging

[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter is not making money

2009-07-16 Thread Peter Denton
OMG, I had no idea. Are you the Kroll guy? On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Michael Yardley wrote: > > They are just running on Venture Capital.When the money runs out they > will have to start chraging.You cannot run a business for FREE.People > should have to pay to Twitter.So much a Tweet. LO