Re: [twsocket] TWSocket and data packet length
Thanks for your help... I found why it didn't work anymore, the device was connected on a 10Mb Hub, and at the beginning I made the tests with the device connected on a 100Mb switch. This makes a huge difference ! This explains why it worked at a time and didn't work for the last days... The real problem is that the device is too sensible to packet fragmentation and anyway we cannot assume we can always have the best MTU size ! I will try to get the device behavior modified (not sure how many chances I have !!) PS: The TCPOptimizer seems an interesting tool ! Thanks again ! Regards Frédéric SCHENCKEL * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * cab technologies za Nord du val de Moder 67350 Niedermodern Tél: + 33 3 88 72 25 01 / Fax: +33 3 88 72 25 02 Notre site en Français: www.cab-technologies.fr Adresse support: supp...@cab-technologies.fr * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -Message d'origine- De : twsocket-boun...@elists.org [mailto:twsocket-boun...@elists.org] De la part de P-E Envoyé : mercredi 20 février 2013 22:14 À : ICS support mailing Objet : Re: [twsocket] TWSocket and data packet length Hello, In addition to François answer, the max packet size is something you may change in tcp settings at system level. Usually the packet size (called MTU) has a 1500 byte default size. If you try to send a 2500 byte packet then this packet will probably be fragmented into 2 packets as you wireshark dump showed. I recommend you to use TCPOptimizer from http://www.speedguide.net/downloads.php This tool will show your actual System level TCP settings and MTU size and eventually change it. Default should be 1500 but you may increase this size but think that this may have some side effects especially if the machine also need to communicate over Internet as packet fragmentation may not be managed very well (web page don't show up, POP3 may not receive full mail...). TCP Optimizer also have a function to test largest packet you can send to destination (MTU/Latency tab and then Largest MTU button). You may also manually do this test by sending non-fragmented pings with forced size to detect if your destination can fully receive big packet. example : ping -4 -f -l 1472 192.168.0.1 This will do a ping to IP 192.168.0.1 with 1472 packet size (1500 - 16 of ethernet encapsulation) and -f say no packet fragmentation allowed. This basic test should work but you may set bigger packet (try the packet size you need +16). regards. FS Thanks François for your help ! FS I will try this tomorrow... Just to be sure I'm not asking in the FS wrong direction, this already worked with my program a few weeks FS ago... And now without changing anything (or nothing consciously FS at least !) it doesn't work anymore. FS Attached just 2 wireshark captures (at the time it worked !), you FS can see the length of the data is 2114 in one capture and 2348 in FS the other one. Today I cannot go over 1500 (the rest comes then in FS another chunk) The problem is that the hardware at the other end, FS takes this as several answers. Of course this is also a problem on FS this hardware but I cannot change it, and again it has already FS worked... FS Can the network topology (different switches or hub) give FS different results about this ? FS Thanks FS Best regards FS Frédéric SCHENCKEL FS * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * cab FS technologies za Nord du val de Moder FS 67350 Niedermodern FS Tél: + 33 3 88 72 25 01 / Fax: +33 3 88 72 25 02 Notre site en FS Français: www.cab-technologies.fr Adresse support: FS supp...@cab-technologies.fr FS * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * FS -Message d'origine- FS De : twsocket-boun...@elists.org FS [mailto:twsocket-boun...@elists.org] De la part de François Piette FS Envoyé : mercredi 20 février 2013 17:54 À : 'ICS support mailing' FS Objet : Re: [twsocket] TWSocket and data packet length I need to send a data packet in one chunck. Today the datas are splitted in two chunks, one of 1500 (the MTU limit) and FS another one for the rest. I'm not able to go over this 1500 limit. I know it's possible because I FS have another program how does it like this FS What you ask is to use Jumbo Frames which is available on some gigabit ethernet systems. Jumbo frames are handled by the OS, not Winsock API (TWSocket make use of Winsock API of course). FS Altough not tested, you should probably do the following: FS - Set SocketSndBufSize to some large value FS - Set BufSize to at least the same large value FS - Send your data as usual. FS -- FS francois.pie...@overbyte.be FS Embarcadero MVP FS http://www.overbyte.be FS http://francois-piette.blogspot.com FS -- FS To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list FS please goto FS
Re: [twsocket] TWSocket and data packet length
Hello, Packet fragmentation is something you may not fully control whenever you trick MTU size on both client and server side as many devices in between may also fragment your packets. For example a firewall with different MTU size set on its Ethernet interfaces. I regularly have such problem (I work for an French ISP). regards. FS Thanks for your help... FS I found why it didn't work anymore, the device was connected on a 10Mb Hub, and at the beginning I made the tests with the device connected on a 100Mb switch. FS This makes a huge difference ! FS This explains why it worked at a time and didn't work for the last days... FS The real problem is that the device is too sensible to packet fragmentation and anyway we cannot assume we can always have the best MTU size ! FS I will try to get the device behavior modified (not sure how many chances I have !!) FS PS: The TCPOptimizer seems an interesting tool ! FS Thanks again ! FS Regards FS Frédéric SCHENCKEL FS * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * FS cab technologies FS za Nord du val de Moder FS 67350 Niedermodern FS Tél: + 33 3 88 72 25 01 / Fax: +33 3 88 72 25 02 FS Notre site en Français: www.cab-technologies.fr FS Adresse support: supp...@cab-technologies.fr FS * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * FS -Message d'origine- FS De : twsocket-boun...@elists.org [mailto:twsocket-boun...@elists.org] De la part de P-E FS Envoyé : mercredi 20 février 2013 22:14 FS À : ICS support mailing FS Objet : Re: [twsocket] TWSocket and data packet length FS Hello, FS In addition to François answer, the max packet size is something you may change in tcp settings at system level. FS Usually the packet size (called MTU) has a 1500 byte default size. FS If you try to send a 2500 byte packet then this packet will probably be fragmented into 2 packets as you wireshark dump showed. FS I recommend you to use TCPOptimizer from http://www.speedguide.net/downloads.php FS This tool will show your actual System level TCP settings and MTU size and eventually change it. Default should be 1500 but you may increase this size but think that this may have some side FS effects especially if the machine also need to communicate over Internet as packet fragmentation may not be managed very well (web page don't show up, FS POP3 may not receive full mail...). FS TCP Optimizer also have a function to test largest packet you can send to destination (MTU/Latency tab and then Largest MTU button). FS You may also manually do this test by sending non-fragmented pings with forced size to detect if your destination can fully receive big FS packet. FS example : ping -4 -f -l 1472 192.168.0.1 FS This will do a ping to IP 192.168.0.1 with 1472 packet size (1500 - 16 of ethernet encapsulation) and -f say no packet fragmentation allowed. This basic test should work but you may set FS bigger packet (try the packet size you need +16). FS regards. FS Thanks François for your help ! FS I will try this tomorrow... Just to be sure I'm not asking in the FS wrong direction, this already worked with my program a few weeks FS ago... And now without changing anything (or nothing consciously FS at least !) it doesn't work anymore. FS Attached just 2 wireshark captures (at the time it worked !), you FS can see the length of the data is 2114 in one capture and 2348 in FS the other one. Today I cannot go over 1500 (the rest comes then in FS another chunk) The problem is that the hardware at the other end, FS takes this as several answers. Of course this is also a problem on FS this hardware but I cannot change it, and again it has already FS worked... FS Can the network topology (different switches or hub) give FS different results about this ? FS Thanks FS Best regards FS Frédéric SCHENCKEL FS * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * cab FS technologies za Nord du val de Moder FS 67350 Niedermodern FS Tél: + 33 3 88 72 25 01 / Fax: +33 3 88 72 25 02 Notre site en FS Français: www.cab-technologies.fr Adresse support: FS supp...@cab-technologies.fr FS * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * FS -Message d'origine- FS De : twsocket-boun...@elists.org FS [mailto:twsocket-boun...@elists.org] De la part de François Piette FS Envoyé : mercredi 20 février 2013 17:54 À : 'ICS support mailing' FS Objet : Re: [twsocket] TWSocket and data packet length I need to send a data packet in one chunck. Today the datas are splitted in two chunks, one of 1500 (the MTU limit) and FS another one for the rest. I'm not able to go over this 1500 limit. I know it's possible because I FS have another program how does it like this FS What you ask is to use Jumbo Frames which is available on some gigabit ethernet systems. Jumbo frames are handled by the OS, not Winsock API (TWSocket make use of Winsock API of
Re: [twsocket] TWSocket and data packet length
Can the network topology (different switches or hub) give different results about this ? Yes, it can. Jumbo frames must be supported end-to-end. Each device has to support it and be configured for it. -- francois.pie...@overbyte.be Embarcadero MVP http://www.overbyte.be http://francois-piette.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://lists.elists.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
