Re: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything before DelphiXE ?
My opinion prior to Delphi XE2: Yes My opinion after Delphi XE2: No I've been a big fan of Pascal since Turbo Pascal version 4, and I've followed most of Borland/Inprise/Embarcadero since the late 80's. I've purchased various versions of Pascal and Delphi in my life, and I've been a HUGE fan of Delphi 7 Professional since it came out. I made the mistake of buying Delphi 2007, and I've deliberately not bought any more Delphi since XE2 came out. I refused to pay for something that would give me no actual benefit, and I've been one of those people moaning bitterly about lack of 64 bit compiler support. Along comes Delphi XE2 and blows us all away by not only doing 64 bit compiler support, but also with Firemonkey - which gives us the ability to write apps for Mac. This was a huge surprise for me, and a very nice one since I have many apps I would like to port to Mac. Sure, the IDE is buggy as hell, but you just have to work around them and figure out what not to do, and you'll get good results. I understand other people's reluctance to move to Delphi XE2 - especially if they do not need this 64 bit and Mac support - since Delphi 7 is stable, has a great workspace for creating forms, and creates reasonably decent sized EXE's. I would like to see Delphi claw some market share, because finding sample code to work this is tough as nails in comparison with C++. I also have to look at the other side of the coin, and it's quite a lot to ask people to stick with old technology just because it works well. Time is one of our biggest commodities and if we need to spend it trying to ensure code works with old platforms, it could become counter-productive. Lester -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://lists.elists.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything before DelphiXE ?
What I read from current feedback so far is that approximately 50% wish at least support for Delphi 7 to be continued in a next version. That number is what I had expected and why I didn't recommend to discontinue D7 support, also to Angus and Francois before this survey. Though I like the new language features and Unicode support in 2010/XE+ *very much*, it's realy worth to consider an upgrade to a recent IDE version, for ICS however it is simply too early to discontinue D7 support or any other non-Unicode compiler without losing users. -- Arno -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://lists.elists.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything before DelphiXE ?
Please Support Delphi 7 in the next version, this is the best Delphi version, much more stable than any other. I think that XE2 have a lot of bugs yet, Firemonkey is not good the last version have dozen of bugs in IDE, today 64bit application need power machines and much memory. Cláudio Delphi 7 Developer. 2012/3/29 Arno Garrels arno.garr...@gmx.de What I read from current feedback so far is that approximately 50% wish at least support for Delphi 7 to be continued in a next version. That number is what I had expected and why I didn't recommend to discontinue D7 support, also to Angus and Francois before this survey. Though I like the new language features and Unicode support in 2010/XE+ *very much*, it's realy worth to consider an upgrade to a recent IDE version, for ICS however it is simply too early to discontinue D7 support or any other non-Unicode compiler without losing users. -- Arno -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://lists.elists.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://lists.elists.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything before DelphiXE ?
Hello, True, Delphi 7 is far the best version I used and it's IDE is very light unlike newest IDE that make me feel like running Eclipse, I mean slow to start, need a 1900*1600 screen to work because of so many panels and tools, this is why I still do a lot of D7, not counting about unicode convertion problems, and components (with no source) that don't work anymore. Thursday, March 29, 2012, 11:03:41 PM, you wrote: CP Please Support Delphi 7 in the next version, this is the best Delphi CP version, much more stable than any other. CP I think that XE2 have a lot of bugs yet, Firemonkey is not good the last CP version have dozen of bugs in IDE, today 64bit application need power CP machines and much memory. CP Cláudio CP Delphi 7 Developer. CP 2012/3/29 Arno Garrels arno.garr...@gmx.de What I read from current feedback so far is that approximately 50% wish at least support for Delphi 7 to be continued in a next version. That number is what I had expected and why I didn't recommend to discontinue D7 support, also to Angus and Francois before this survey. Though I like the new language features and Unicode support in 2010/XE+ *very much*, it's realy worth to consider an upgrade to a recent IDE version, for ICS however it is simply too early to discontinue D7 support or any other non-Unicode compiler without losing users. -- Arno -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://lists.elists.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be CP -- CP To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list CP please goto http://lists.elists.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/twsocket CP Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://lists.elists.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything before DelphiXE ?
François Piette wrote: I'm planning the next ICS version. Interesting, I'm planning it since last year as well, namely in the IPv6/FireMonkey beta branch and while porting ICS to XE2 64-bit. What are your actual plans except abandon support for older compilers? Being unable to use any features added to Delphi in the last 10 years is very restricted. Maybe we need to cease support for old Delphi versions ? Abandon Delphi 7 support was just stupid unless someone rewrites ICS to take full advantage of the new and powerful language features at the same time, sorry ( I won't be the guy doing this ). Actually the tweaks required to get current ICS compiled from D7 up to latest RAD Studio version are **very minor** (oh, this property StrictDelimiter doesn't exist in D7? **come on**). BTW: Indy still supports D5! Taking into account that many of the new language features can't be used without problems before XE/2010 (because of bugs), it makes *no sense* at all to abandon D7 if at the same time support for D2007 is kept. It would make sense though to start a _new version from *scratch*, such an incarnation of ICS ;) would then of course support only XE+ or maybe D2010+, is that your plan? -- Arno -- francois.pie...@overbyte.be The author of the freeware multi-tier middleware MidWare The author of the freeware Internet Component Suite (ICS) http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://lists.elists.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything before DelphiXE ?
Still using Delphi 7. -Original Message- From: twsocket-boun...@elists.org [mailto:twsocket-boun...@elists.org] On Behalf Of François Piette Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:59 PM To: ICS support mailing Subject: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything before DelphiXE ? Hi ! Im planning the next ICS version Being unable to use any features added to Delphi in the last 10 years is very restricted. Maybe we need to cease support for old Delphi versions ? Of course ICS V5 and V7 will remains available however, the only changes will be bug fixes. What do you think ? Please keep your answer as short as possible, I just want to have an idea about how many of you are still using an old Delphi version. -- francois.pie...@overbyte.be The author of the freeware multi-tier middleware MidWare The author of the freeware Internet Component Suite (ICS) http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://lists.elists.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://lists.elists.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything before DelphiXE ?
I am still using D2007, and very happy with the current version of ICS. I don't have any problem with a new version of ICS starting fresh at XE or whatever you choose. -Jeff -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://lists.elists.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything before DelphiXE ?
Even though D7 is 10 years old and I have all the versions 1 - XE2, it is by far the most stable, fewest bugs version ever released. When I can, I do it in 7. But then again I can appreciate the effort involved in keeping ICS working over so many versions and would understand having the newer ICS only supporting the last few versions of Delphi. As far as Fire Monkey, not interested in a port however hopefully sometime in the future Linux. -Original Message- From: twsocket-boun...@elists.org [mailto:twsocket-boun...@elists.org] On Behalf Of François Piette Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:59 PM To: ICS support mailing Subject: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything before DelphiXE ? Hi ! I'm planning the next ICS version... Being unable to use any features added to Delphi in the last 10 years is very restricted. Maybe we need to cease support for old Delphi versions ? Of course ICS V5 and V7 will remains available however, the only changes will be bug fixes. What do you think ? Please keep your answer as short as possible, I just want to have an idea about how many of you are still using an old Delphi version. -- francois.pie...@overbyte.be The author of the freeware multi-tier middleware MidWare The author of the freeware Internet Component Suite (ICS) http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://lists.elists.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://lists.elists.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
