RE: [U2] FW: Uonet Timeout

2005-12-09 Thread Brian Leach
Bob You need to update the unirpcservices file to have a sensible timeout value for the server. This can time out without notifying the client in a manner that can be easily trapped. Look for the lines headed udcs and defcs and change the final column. Note that the values are in 1/10th seconds

RE: [U2] Deciphering Pick UniBasic statement

2005-12-09 Thread Brian Leach
Caleb, Just to point out - as a newbie don't think all MV coding is like this! It's this sort of rubbish that gives our industry a bad name. (Mind you I've seen worse C++ code...) :) Brian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caleb Ng

[U2] RE: Program code parsing...

2005-12-09 Thread Gary Gowans
Hi Caleb wrote... The general consensus of replies confirms my findings of how this was originally meant to be nested. Thanks for all your help. Caleb [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/08/05 12:09PM IF P(2)-AR(12)=28 THEN CC=CC+1 INS 0 BEFORE AR(14)1,1 DEL AR(14)1,9 END ELSE IF

[U2] F2 Screen Accept

2005-12-09 Thread Bjorn Behr
Hi Does anybody know what the F@ / Screen Accept Character on SB+ is? T.I.A Many Thanks Bjorn Behr Programmer (TSD) Tel : +27 11 523 4202 Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: www.supergrp.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit

Re: [U2] SOX question (United States only, I believe)

2005-12-09 Thread Marc Hilbert
Good Morning Charlie, No only a US issue, but also an issue for multinationals with US home offices. We are in Argentina and have clients that must comply and frankly we DO separate the DBA role from the programmer role and I am in favor of this although it is an administrative pain at times.

Re: [U2] RE: Program code parsing...

2005-12-09 Thread Mecki Foerthmann
Now I want to be really pedantic :-P and therefore here it is, the probably ultimate piece of code: IF AR(13) NE DATE() THEN INS (P(2)-AR(12)) LE 28 BEFORE AR(14)1,1 DEL AR(14)1,9 CC=CC+AR(14)1,1 END Mecki Gary Gowans wrote: Hi Caleb wrote... The general consensus of replies

Re: [U2] RE: Program code parsing...

2005-12-09 Thread Mecki Foerthmann
Sorry, sent this too early Should be:. IF AR(13) NE DATE() THEN INS (P(2)-AR(12)) GT 28 BEFORE AR(14)1,1 DEL AR(14)1,9 CC+= (P(2)-AR(12)) LE 28 END Mecki Foerthmann wrote: Now I want to be really pedantic :-P and therefore here it is, the probably ultimate piece of code: IF AR(13) NE

RE: [U2] PHANTOM question

2005-12-09 Thread Rex Gozar
Glen, I ran into this issue a couple of months ago. The issue with -U when starting a phantom appears to be a bug in the command line parser. When I type in the command: PHANTOM DAILY-UPDATE The command line parser thinks -U is the user option (for the PHANTOM command), and subsequently

Re: [U2] SOX question (United States only, I believe)

2005-12-09 Thread Steven M Wagner
Marc How do the programmers to customer support if they cannot look at the data in the production data-base? It would be hard to research problems if you cannot look at live data. Steve At 08:49 AM 12/9/05 -0300, you wrote: Good Morning Charlie, No only a US issue, but also an issue for

Re: [U2] SOX question (United States only, I believe)

2005-12-09 Thread Lance Jahnke
What happens when the programmer is the dba? One person developing and managing universe... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri Dec 09 05:49:55 2005 Subject: Re: [U2] SOX question (United States only, I believe) Good Morning Charlie, No

RE: [U2] PHANTOM question

2005-12-09 Thread Glenn Herbert
Ahhh. Since I don't have access to 10 I couldn't get the problem. Good option though once this bug gets repaired __ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rex Gozar [EMAIL

RE: [U2] PHANTOM question

2005-12-09 Thread Patricia Wilson
IBM Release notes - 7894Prior to this release, UniVerse incorrectly interpreted any command line argument to the PHANTOM command containing a -U to indicate that the PHANTOM command should be run as a different user, and that the user name would follow the -U

RE: [U2] SOX question (United States only, I believe)

2005-12-09 Thread Peter Gonzalez
SOX SUCKS! (we have tee shirts with 'SOX SUCKS' on the front) Our productivity has gone way down. If there is a problem here is what we have to do now. And there are plenty of internal and external auditors to make sure we do the following. 1. Create a request to modify. 2. Copy the records

Re: [U2] SOX question (United States only, I believe)

2005-12-09 Thread Gordon J Glorfield
You mean you don't separate them? Absolutely there needs to be a division of labor here. As a developer I have no time to keep up with mundane tasks as password verification, file resizing and maintenance, upgrades, etc... That doesn't even touch on the security and accountability issues.

RE: [U2] SOX question (United States only, I believe)

2005-12-09 Thread David Wolverton
The difference is that you have access to LOOK, but not in any way CHANGE... How do the programmers to customer support if they cannot look at the data in the production data-base? It would be hard to research problems if you cannot look at live data. Steve --- u2-users mailing list

RE: [U2] SOX question (United States only, I believe)

2005-12-09 Thread Brian Leach
Is it sufficient to formally separate the roles and procedures, even if they are carried out by the same person? and just think, you could put in for two pay rises :) Brian SOX-Free here -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Jahnke

[U2] Prime ED, (sort of)

2005-12-09 Thread aegerton
I'm on a different machine than the one where I read the question regarding a unix version of the PRIMOS ED, so can't reply to the thread directly. However, Dec's TECO editor was pretty similar to Pr1me's ED, and has been ported to unix. Couple pointers that *might* help are:

Re: [U2] SOX question (United States only, I believe)

2005-12-09 Thread Andy Pflueger
On 12/9/05, Peter Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SOX SUCKS! (we have tee shirts with 'SOX SUCKS' on the front) Our productivity has gone way down. If there is a problem here is what we have to do now. And there are plenty of internal and external auditors to make sure we do the

Re: [U2] Deciphering Pick UniBasic statement

2005-12-09 Thread Jerry Banker
Actually it looks like some case tool code to me not a programmers code. - Original Message - From: Brian Leach [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 3:01 AM Subject: RE: [U2] Deciphering Pick UniBasic statement Caleb, Just to point out

RE: [U2] SOX question (United States only, I believe)

2005-12-09 Thread Les Hewkin
Is that all there is to it We have to do all that now... We also produce diff items of the programs. This details all the changes made. But I do have access to the live machine as well. Les -Original Message- From: Peter Gonzalez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 December

RE: [U2] Emails into AIX

2005-12-09 Thread karlp
quote who=Larry Hiscock We've done it on Linux SCO, but not AIX, although the concepts should be the same. Under AIX, the locations and names of the files will undoubtedly be different ;-) There are a couple of issues: 1) I'm not sure I'd expose my application server's to receive email

RE: [U2] SOX question (United States only, I believe)

2005-12-09 Thread Gordon J Glorfield
I am surprised by all the differing methodology's for being SOX compliant. For data fixes we have an audit approved process as below. 1. All changes must be requested from the user. Artifact: User Request (Can be a hard copy of an email.) 2. LIST.ITEM hard copy of the data before the

Re: [U2] SOX question (United States only, I believe)

2005-12-09 Thread Results
Gordon, I used to work for a $500M company (multi-national, multiple office) where I was the Unix Admin, the secondary DBA, the Hiring Manager, an Area Manager, Head of Computer Security and QC, and a hands on programmer simultaneously. The primary DBA also ran the operations department,

RE: [U2] SOX question (United States only, I believe)

2005-12-09 Thread Peter Gonzalez
Les, I didn't include the MMDIFF program that we run. It too, prints the difference, if any, on LIVE and DEVEL. Our understanding of SOX is not to have one or two people involved in software administration and conspiring to hard the system. The more people that are involved, the less chances

OT [U2] SOX question (United States only, I believe)

2005-12-09 Thread Robert Paterson
Believe me - I think there are quite a few of us globally who agree with that sentiment! On another note, I'm really sorry to hear that overseas companies have to deal with SOX. Or as I call it, The Great Productivity Reduction Act of 2002. Charlie Rubeor This e-mail is for the use of the

RE: [U2] Deciphering Pick UniBasic statement

2005-12-09 Thread Gyle Iverson
Hello, Charles. Charles Stevenson wrote... Everyone's going to jump in with the answer, but here's a way to figure it out yourself (on UV, but not UD): Use VLIST. I don't know which is more painful, the original code or the VLIST output. ;-) I decompiled Caleb's code using the srs4uv.com

RE: [U2] SOX question (United States only, I believe)

2005-12-09 Thread Bob Witney
I know that SOX is a US thing but the change management process you describe is very close to that used by government departments in the UK So its all over, not just you yanks that have to put up with it :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of

RE: [U2] Emails into AIX

2005-12-09 Thread Scott Ballinger
Check out postie at infradig.com ($75). It is a command line mailer; you can send email (with attachments) through any smtp mail server, and you can retrieve/process pop3 or imap mail from anywhere, and even copy/move/delete messages from your imap folders. All command-line, all scriptable, all

RE: [U2] SOX question (United States only, I believe)

2005-12-09 Thread Allen E. Elwood
Marc How do the programmers to customer support if they cannot look at the data in the production data-base? It would be hard to research problems if you cannot look at live data. Steve The thing that always cracks me up is that all one has to do in a U2/PICK environment is to create q

RE: [U2] SOX question (United States only, I believe)

2005-12-09 Thread David A. Green
I wrote a package for MANAGE-2000 clients that addressed these issues. I call it DTS (Development Tracking System). It does a great job separating Programmer from Live Data. To use it one would create a Development Account and an end-user testing account. My software would run on the

Re: [U2] SOX question (United States only, I believe)

2005-12-09 Thread Marc Hilbert
Steve, If you have a good set of test data the user can frequently replicate the problem in a test environment. You must regularly update your test data. As a last resort, there is an emergency password for a programmer to have access, in read-only mode to the production data. Sounds tedious,

Re: [U2] SOX question (United States only, I believe)

2005-12-09 Thread Marc Hilbert
Peter, I am frequently frustrated at having to spend 2 to 3 times as much time to fix something thanks to SOX or SOX-like norms. However if you put yourself in the place of a director of a large company who doesn't know the IT staff personally, you must bear in mind that your department (IT)

Re: [U2] SOX question (United States only, I believe)

2005-12-09 Thread Richard Brown
The thing that always cracks me up is that all one has to do in a U2/PICK environment is to create q pointers to the main account from the test account. You can look and even modify without having access to that account unless it is locked down by logon at the OS level, which I have yet to

RE: [U2] SOX question (United States only, I believe)

2005-12-09 Thread Gordon J Glorfield
That why we have triggers on our basic program files and on the voc. If you do copy something from dev to live, it will show up in the logs. Then your supervisor comes to you not in a very genial mood. You then have to end up doing the paperwork anyway. Gordon J. Glorfield Sr. Applications

RE: [U2] SOX question (United States only, I believe)

2005-12-09 Thread Allen E. Elwood
Ahh, but if one were to copy just the object code to the same path as the voc that already existed in the main account, no trigger would be activated. Doing this, someone could potentially 'cry war and wreck havoc'. Or, someone could quickly disable the trigger, do the dirty work and re-enable,

RE: [ ] - RE: [U2] SOX question (United States only, I believe) - Found word(s) list error in the Text body

2005-12-09 Thread Bob Woodward
So if you're use to working with triggers, you know how to take the trigger off the file, do the dirty deed, then put the trigger back on. The bottom line of SOX is that someone in authority is ultimately responsible for the accuracy of the financial reports that get published, there-by giving

RE: [U2] SOX question (United States only, I believe)

2005-12-09 Thread Bill_H
Allen: Which makes one wonder why in the world security was pulled out of the dbms. There's something illogical about an O/S administrator knowing better how to set up security in the application than the application vendor. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [U2] SOX question (United States only, I believe)

2005-12-09 Thread Bruce Nichol
At 17:04 09/12/05 -0800, you wrote: Allen: Which makes one wonder why in the world security was pulled out of the dbms. There's something illogical about an O/S administrator knowing better how to set up security in the application than the application vendor. Bill Might it have something

RE: [U2] Deciphering Pick UniBasic statement

2005-12-09 Thread Stevenson, Charles
I have not had occasion to use the src4uv.com decompiler service. Probably worth the price when you really need it. I am thankful for the wonderful www.src4uv.com freebie download, SRC.UV.HEADER, that allows access to info about the object file from an I-descriptor subroutine. Besides VLIST, but