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2008-05-22 Thread Claude Masseron
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[U2] Missouri Multi-Value Users Group

2008-05-22 Thread JPB-U2UG
I have been informed that I was a little off on my time to the borders of
Missouri. We are actually about 3 hours to any border of the state. I'm glad
that I've gotten some responses, keep them coming in.

 

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Re: [U2] execute code/proc question HELP!!!!!!!!

2008-05-22 Thread Kritan
The best would be to have a development account to separate the code. 
Without that option, the easiest would be to rename the program in DOUG.BP 
to something a bit different (I.e. DOUG.DEV).  compile and catalog the 
original DOUG in EURO.BP and DOUG.DEV in DOUG.BP.  Users could run the 
original DOUG.  When you are done fixing DOUG.DEV, copy it over DOUG in 
DOUG.BP and recompile.


Steve

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From: doug chanco [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 6:20 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] execute code/proc question HELP

is there any way in Universe 10.x (running on AIX) to path how universe 
finds code to execute?  For example I have a program called


DOUG in EURO.BP and copy it to DOUG.BP and compile/catalog it there, so 
that now the VOC entry points to DOUG.BP but I would like other users to 
be able to run the original version while I fix my version.


For those familiar with jBASE this is easily solved by modifying each 
users path to that they search for the object code in a specific order.

for example

PATH=$PATH:/usr2/zircon/DOUG.O:/usr2/zirocn/EURO.BP.O

this way it looks in DOUG.BP.O and if the object code is found executes it 
otherwise look in EURO.BP.O and if found there execute it.  Now all I have 
to do is modify other users PATH to NOT search DOUG.BP.O or move EURO.BP.O 
in front of DOUG.BP.O and it will find EURO.BP.O first (and stop looking)


I am hoping that there is something equivalent in universe or some way 
that I can duplicate this (I am even willing to look at doing it with 
basic code  if possible)


ANY and ALL suggestions are welcomed!

thanks

dougc
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RE: [U2] execute code/proc question HELP!!!!!!!!

2008-05-22 Thread Dan Goble
Why not just catalog the original in EURO.BP for the end users, and do a
RUN DOUG.BP DOUG when testing your changes.

Dan Goble
RATEX Business Solutions, Inc.

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Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:21 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] execute code/proc question HELP

is there any way in Universe 10.x (running on AIX) to path how 
universe finds code to execute?  For example I have a program called

DOUG in EURO.BP and copy it to DOUG.BP and compile/catalog it there, 
so that now the VOC entry points to DOUG.BP but I would like other users

to be able to run the original version while I fix my version.

For those familiar with jBASE this is easily solved by modifying each 
users path to that they search for the object code in a specific
order. 

for example

PATH=$PATH:/usr2/zircon/DOUG.O:/usr2/zirocn/EURO.BP.O

this way it looks in DOUG.BP.O and if the object code is found executes 
it otherwise look in EURO.BP.O and if found there execute it.  Now all I

have to do is modify other users PATH to NOT search DOUG.BP.O or move 
EURO.BP.O in front of DOUG.BP.O and it will find EURO.BP.O first (and 
stop looking)

I am hoping that there is something equivalent in universe or some way 
that I can duplicate this (I am even willing to look at doing it with 
basic code  if possible)

ANY and ALL suggestions are welcomed!

thanks

dougc
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RE: [U2] execute code/proc question HELP!!!!!!!!

2008-05-22 Thread Edward Brown
That wouldn't work if DOUG was a subroutine.

Sometimes, for debugging in-use code I put in a line like 'IF @PORT =
(my current port) THEN DEBUG' - remembering to take it out afterwards!
Often this is enough to help track down issues without affecting other
users...

Edward

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Subject: RE: [U2] execute code/proc question HELP

Why not just catalog the original in EURO.BP for the end users, and do a
RUN DOUG.BP DOUG when testing your changes.

Dan Goble
RATEX Business Solutions, Inc.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of doug chanco
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:21 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] execute code/proc question HELP

is there any way in Universe 10.x (running on AIX) to path how 
universe finds code to execute?  For example I have a program called

DOUG in EURO.BP and copy it to DOUG.BP and compile/catalog it there, 
so that now the VOC entry points to DOUG.BP but I would like other users

to be able to run the original version while I fix my version.

For those familiar with jBASE this is easily solved by modifying each 
users path to that they search for the object code in a specific
order. 

for example

PATH=$PATH:/usr2/zircon/DOUG.O:/usr2/zirocn/EURO.BP.O

this way it looks in DOUG.BP.O and if the object code is found executes 
it otherwise look in EURO.BP.O and if found there execute it.  Now all I

have to do is modify other users PATH to NOT search DOUG.BP.O or move 
EURO.BP.O in front of DOUG.BP.O and it will find EURO.BP.O first (and 
stop looking)

I am hoping that there is something equivalent in universe or some way 
that I can duplicate this (I am even willing to look at doing it with 
basic code  if possible)

ANY and ALL suggestions are welcomed!

thanks

dougc
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RE: [U2] execute code/proc question HELP!!!!!!!!

2008-05-22 Thread Doug Chanco
Yeah we discussed the separate account idea 9we did that at my last job)
but here its more difficult and for ,whatever reason people are against
it sigh

Your other idea is not bad, but then we would have to change it in any
calling programs BUT I suppose that may be the best I can get out of
universe.

Hopefully there is some super genius lurking around that might have some
additional thoughts (I hope)

Thanks for the response

Dougc

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kritan
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:14 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] execute code/proc question HELP

The best would be to have a development account to separate the code. 
Without that option, the easiest would be to rename the program in
DOUG.BP 
to something a bit different (I.e. DOUG.DEV).  compile and catalog the 
original DOUG in EURO.BP and DOUG.DEV in DOUG.BP.  Users could run the 
original DOUG.  When you are done fixing DOUG.DEV, copy it over DOUG in 
DOUG.BP and recompile.

Steve

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From: doug chanco [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 6:20 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] execute code/proc question HELP

 is there any way in Universe 10.x (running on AIX) to path how
universe 
 finds code to execute?  For example I have a program called

 DOUG in EURO.BP and copy it to DOUG.BP and compile/catalog it there,
so 
 that now the VOC entry points to DOUG.BP but I would like other users
to 
 be able to run the original version while I fix my version.

 For those familiar with jBASE this is easily solved by modifying each 
 users path to that they search for the object code in a specific
order.
 for example

 PATH=$PATH:/usr2/zircon/DOUG.O:/usr2/zirocn/EURO.BP.O

 this way it looks in DOUG.BP.O and if the object code is found
executes it 
 otherwise look in EURO.BP.O and if found there execute it.  Now all I
have 
 to do is modify other users PATH to NOT search DOUG.BP.O or move
EURO.BP.O 
 in front of DOUG.BP.O and it will find EURO.BP.O first (and stop
looking)

 I am hoping that there is something equivalent in universe or some way

 that I can duplicate this (I am even willing to look at doing it with

 basic code  if possible)

 ANY and ALL suggestions are welcomed!

 thanks

 dougc
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RE: [U2] execute code/proc question HELP!!!!!!!!

2008-05-22 Thread Israel, John R.
Write a simple tester subroutine that passes the name of the
original/standard program.

This subroutine reads a control record that uses your
user_id:*CODETESTING as the key (thus unique to each user).  If not
found (which would be the case for most users), return the original
program name.  If found, do a LOCATE in F1 for the original program
name.  If not found, return the original program name.  If the original
program name IS found in F1, return the optional program name from the
associated position in F2 (if F2 is missing, return the original pgm
just in case).

F1 = multi-valued list of original pgms
F2 = multi-valued list of test pgms

Use the @ logic for doing a dynamic call to the returned pgm name.

Granted, this is a bit of work up front, but once you have this tester
subroutine written and the coded added to your program(s), you could
leave this test in place anywhere you want.  Add this logic as you need
it.  You just disable it by removing the program names from F1/F2.  If
this control record ever becomes empty, you could even delete it.

Optionally, you could do this test at login time and save the info in
some common named variable(s).  You just need to log out/in to reset
this stuff.

I have used something like this in the past and it worked VERY well.  By
using these control records, you can even give selected other users
access to this program for testing before rolling it out to the rest of
the world.  Just remember to delete the stuff from the control record(s)
once you switch it over.




John Israel
Sr. Programmer/Analyst
Dayton Superior Corporation
721 Richard St.
Dayton, OH  45342
937-866-0711 x44380

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Chanco
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 11:36 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] execute code/proc question HELP

Yeah we discussed the separate account idea 9we did that at my last job)
but here its more difficult and for ,whatever reason people are against
it sigh

Your other idea is not bad, but then we would have to change it in any
calling programs BUT I suppose that may be the best I can get out of
universe.

Hopefully there is some super genius lurking around that might have some
additional thoughts (I hope)

Thanks for the response

Dougc

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kritan
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:14 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] execute code/proc question HELP

The best would be to have a development account to separate the code. 
Without that option, the easiest would be to rename the program in
DOUG.BP 
to something a bit different (I.e. DOUG.DEV).  compile and catalog the 
original DOUG in EURO.BP and DOUG.DEV in DOUG.BP.  Users could run the 
original DOUG.  When you are done fixing DOUG.DEV, copy it over DOUG in 
DOUG.BP and recompile.

Steve

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From: doug chanco [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 6:20 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] execute code/proc question HELP

 is there any way in Universe 10.x (running on AIX) to path how
universe 
 finds code to execute?  For example I have a program called

 DOUG in EURO.BP and copy it to DOUG.BP and compile/catalog it there,
so 
 that now the VOC entry points to DOUG.BP but I would like other users
to 
 be able to run the original version while I fix my version.

 For those familiar with jBASE this is easily solved by modifying each 
 users path to that they search for the object code in a specific
order.
 for example

 PATH=$PATH:/usr2/zircon/DOUG.O:/usr2/zirocn/EURO.BP.O

 this way it looks in DOUG.BP.O and if the object code is found
executes it 
 otherwise look in EURO.BP.O and if found there execute it.  Now all I
have 
 to do is modify other users PATH to NOT search DOUG.BP.O or move
EURO.BP.O 
 in front of DOUG.BP.O and it will find EURO.BP.O first (and stop
looking)

 I am hoping that there is something equivalent in universe or some way

 that I can duplicate this (I am even willing to look at doing it with

 basic code  if possible)

 ANY and ALL suggestions are welcomed!

 thanks

 dougc
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[U2] speaking of MUG's

2008-05-22 Thread doug chanco
any close to NC?  I am very close to Raleigh and would be interested in 
joining one and/or starting one if anyone in the NC area is interested.


dougc
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Re: [U2] execute code/proc question HELP!!!!!!!!

2008-05-22 Thread doug chanco

hmmm this is a very interesting idea ..

thank you very much, its not as elegant as the path command but I think 
it will do what I need


but if I understand it correctly there 2 things that have to be done

1. logic added to each program for this tester subroutine
2. the program would have to have a different name from the original program

while step one would be a lot of work, I can see it working  pretty well 
once the logic is in most of the programs


thanks!

dougc

Israel, John R. wrote:

Write a simple tester subroutine that passes the name of the
original/standard program.

This subroutine reads a control record that uses your
user_id:*CODETESTING as the key (thus unique to each user).  If not
found (which would be the case for most users), return the original
program name.  If found, do a LOCATE in F1 for the original program
name.  If not found, return the original program name.  If the original
program name IS found in F1, return the optional program name from the
associated position in F2 (if F2 is missing, return the original pgm
just in case).

F1 = multi-valued list of original pgms
F2 = multi-valued list of test pgms

Use the @ logic for doing a dynamic call to the returned pgm name.

Granted, this is a bit of work up front, but once you have this tester
subroutine written and the coded added to your program(s), you could
leave this test in place anywhere you want.  Add this logic as you need
it.  You just disable it by removing the program names from F1/F2.  If
this control record ever becomes empty, you could even delete it.

Optionally, you could do this test at login time and save the info in
some common named variable(s).  You just need to log out/in to reset
this stuff.

I have used something like this in the past and it worked VERY well.  By
using these control records, you can even give selected other users
access to this program for testing before rolling it out to the rest of
the world.  Just remember to delete the stuff from the control record(s)
once you switch it over.




John Israel
Sr. Programmer/Analyst
Dayton Superior Corporation
721 Richard St.
Dayton, OH  45342
937-866-0711 x44380

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RE: [U2] execute code/proc question HELP!!!!!!!!

2008-05-22 Thread Israel, John R.
Not really a lot of work.

Once your tester program is written (should not be very big), your code
would change FROM something like:
  CALL (ARG1, ARG2...)
To
  CALL VERSION.TESTER()
  CALL @(ARG1, ARG2...)
(or something like that)

Off the top of my head, this should not be too bad.  Just make sure you
find ALL the programs that call  and change them at the same time.

The one place this does NOT work well is with I-Desc because they are
hard-coded to use the name .  However, I would not worry about these
until they become an issue.  As long as you keep the limitations of this
in mind, it works amazingly well.


John Israel
Sr. Programmer/Analyst
Dayton Superior Corporation
721 Richard St.
Dayton, OH  45342
937-866-0711 x44380

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of doug chanco
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 4:42 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] execute code/proc question HELP

hmmm this is a very interesting idea ..

thank you very much, its not as elegant as the path command but I think 
it will do what I need

but if I understand it correctly there 2 things that have to be done

1. logic added to each program for this tester subroutine
2. the program would have to have a different name from the original
program

while step one would be a lot of work, I can see it working  pretty well

once the logic is in most of the programs

thanks!

dougc

Israel, John R. wrote:
 Write a simple tester subroutine that passes the name of the
 original/standard program.

 This subroutine reads a control record that uses your
 user_id:*CODETESTING as the key (thus unique to each user).  If not
 found (which would be the case for most users), return the original
 program name.  If found, do a LOCATE in F1 for the original program
 name.  If not found, return the original program name.  If the
original
 program name IS found in F1, return the optional program name from the
 associated position in F2 (if F2 is missing, return the original pgm
 just in case).

 F1 = multi-valued list of original pgms
 F2 = multi-valued list of test pgms

 Use the @ logic for doing a dynamic call to the returned pgm name.

 Granted, this is a bit of work up front, but once you have this tester
 subroutine written and the coded added to your program(s), you could
 leave this test in place anywhere you want.  Add this logic as you
need
 it.  You just disable it by removing the program names from F1/F2.  If
 this control record ever becomes empty, you could even delete it.

 Optionally, you could do this test at login time and save the info in
 some common named variable(s).  You just need to log out/in to reset
 this stuff.

 I have used something like this in the past and it worked VERY well.
By
 using these control records, you can even give selected other users
 access to this program for testing before rolling it out to the rest
of
 the world.  Just remember to delete the stuff from the control
record(s)
 once you switch it over.




 John Israel
 Sr. Programmer/Analyst
 Dayton Superior Corporation
 721 Richard St.
 Dayton, OH  45342
 937-866-0711 x44380
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RE: [U2] Test Account for Development.

2008-05-22 Thread Garry Smith
How do you make critical program changes for update routines against
your production databases? The creation of a separate account for
testing and training is a keystone for good program development. The
ingrained mindset needs to changed by you the new kid to take the shop
forward in basic software development practices. It will be a lot of
work up front since probably like our own garage built system most of
the VOC file pointers are hard-coded to a directory. If not then there
should be some cheap used IBM hardware systems that you could purchase. 

The perennial question is how much money would it cost the company to
hand enter all the transactions for one day, if some program corrupts
your data? 


Garry L. Smith
Dir Info Systems
Charles McMurray Company
V# 559-292-5782   F# 559-346-6169

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Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 8:36 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] execute code/proc question HELP

Yeah we discussed the separate account idea 9we did that at my last job)
but here its more difficult and for ,whatever reason people are against
it sigh

Your other idea is not bad, but then we would have to change it in any
calling programs BUT I suppose that may be the best I can get out of
universe.

Hopefully there is some super genius lurking around that might have some
additional thoughts (I hope)

Thanks for the response

Dougc

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:14 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] execute code/proc question HELP

The best would be to have a development account to separate the code. 
Without that option, the easiest would be to rename the program in
DOUG.BP to something a bit different (I.e. DOUG.DEV).  compile and
catalog the original DOUG in EURO.BP and DOUG.DEV in DOUG.BP.  Users
could run the original DOUG.  When you are done fixing DOUG.DEV, copy it
over DOUG in DOUG.BP and recompile.

Steve

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From: doug chanco [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 6:20 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] execute code/proc question HELP

 is there any way in Universe 10.x (running on AIX) to path how
universe 
 finds code to execute?  For example I have a program called

 DOUG in EURO.BP and copy it to DOUG.BP and compile/catalog it there,
so 
 that now the VOC entry points to DOUG.BP but I would like other users
to 
 be able to run the original version while I fix my version.

 For those familiar with jBASE this is easily solved by modifying each 
 users path to that they search for the object code in a specific
order.
 for example

 PATH=$PATH:/usr2/zircon/DOUG.O:/usr2/zirocn/EURO.BP.O

 this way it looks in DOUG.BP.O and if the object code is found
executes it 
 otherwise look in EURO.BP.O and if found there execute it.  Now all I
have 
 to do is modify other users PATH to NOT search DOUG.BP.O or move
EURO.BP.O 
 in front of DOUG.BP.O and it will find EURO.BP.O first (and stop
looking)

 I am hoping that there is something equivalent in universe or some way

 that I can duplicate this (I am even willing to look at doing it with

 basic code  if possible)

 ANY and ALL suggestions are welcomed!

 thanks

 dougc
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RE: [U2] execute code/proc question HELP!!!!!!!!

2008-05-22 Thread John Jenkins
You could use an indirection in the I-Descriptor as well - use a SUBR which
then constructs a subroutine name and uses CALL @ syntax.For preference
I would resolve all these at the start of a user session in one fell swoop
and store the names in a dimensioned named COMMON block, using EQUATES.
 
On the real plus side, I've used the technique in the past to dry-run code
without having to use real-world interactions - a test harness.  The
harness reads parameters in a  file with a set sequential order and calls
the named subroutine with set arguments and/or COMMON variables. 

The result from each call (argument or COMMON or this-record-in-this-file
is then retrieved using a rule-based schema and compared with an anticipated
result. The answer is either pass or fail (reason). It's a good way of
bench-checking complex code and also regression testing. 

Rather than a parameter file to see if a program is running in test mode
or not, I much prefer an Environment variable. This is also useful with
UniData as you can include Environment variables in VOC file pointers - a
different user running in the same account can be using totally different
files to someone else. Both UniData and UniVerse allow you to query an
Environment variable ..E.g.

F
D_CUSTOMER
@FILE_LOCATION/CUSTOMER

(You may want to look at UDT.OPTIONS 87 as well if you use this technique).

Regards

JayJay


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Not really a lot of work.

Once your tester program is written (should not be very big), your code
would change FROM something like:
  CALL (ARG1, ARG2...)
To
  CALL VERSION.TESTER()
  CALL @(ARG1, ARG2...)
(or something like that)

Off the top of my head, this should not be too bad.  Just make sure you
find ALL the programs that call  and change them at the same time.

The one place this does NOT work well is with I-Desc because they are
hard-coded to use the name .  However, I would not worry about these
until they become an issue.  As long as you keep the limitations of this
in mind, it works amazingly well.


John Israel
Sr. Programmer/Analyst
Dayton Superior Corporation
721 Richard St.
Dayton, OH  45342
937-866-0711 x44380

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Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 4:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [U2] execute code/proc question HELP

hmmm this is a very interesting idea ..

thank you very much, its not as elegant as the path command but I think 
it will do what I need

but if I understand it correctly there 2 things that have to be done

1. logic added to each program for this tester subroutine
2. the program would have to have a different name from the original
program

while step one would be a lot of work, I can see it working  pretty well

once the logic is in most of the programs

thanks!

dougc

Israel, John R. wrote:
 Write a simple tester subroutine that passes the name of the
 original/standard program.

 This subroutine reads a control record that uses your
 user_id:*CODETESTING as the key (thus unique to each user).  If not
 found (which would be the case for most users), return the original
 program name.  If found, do a LOCATE in F1 for the original program
 name.  If not found, return the original program name.  If the
original
 program name IS found in F1, return the optional program name from the
 associated position in F2 (if F2 is missing, return the original pgm
 just in case).

 F1 = multi-valued list of original pgms
 F2 = multi-valued list of test pgms

 Use the @ logic for doing a dynamic call to the returned pgm name.

 Granted, this is a bit of work up front, but once you have this tester
 subroutine written and the coded added to your program(s), you could
 leave this test in place anywhere you want.  Add this logic as you
need
 it.  You just disable it by removing the program names from F1/F2.  If
 this control record ever becomes empty, you could even delete it.

 Optionally, you could do this test at login time and save the info in
 some common named variable(s).  You just need to log out/in to reset
 this stuff.

 I have used something like this in the past and it worked VERY well.
By
 using these control records, you can even give selected other users
 access to this program for testing before rolling it out to the rest
of
 the world.  Just remember to delete the stuff from the control
record(s)
 once you switch it over.




 John Israel
 Sr. Programmer/Analyst
 Dayton Superior Corporation
 721 Richard St.
 Dayton, OH  45342
 937-866-0711 x44380
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