Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question
It is the rated by the experts as the best of the systems, What experts ? The first reason is that Unix systems are not susceptible by Windows viruses. A protected windows server would not be either - we are not talking desktops here with users surfing the internet all day. From: Dave R [mailto:dave.ra...@juno.com] Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:54 PM To: jpb-u...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [u2u] UV on Windows question Unix has it's own set of administration tools different the windows administration tools, I don't believe they require about the same knowledge to use, if you are a windows engineer you would like a windows platform and if you are a Unix engineer you would prefer Unix. Even thought I use a Windows platform I prefer Unix systems as a platform for a Multi-Value system. If you want to purchase a new system then I would go to Reality (contact Northgate-IS, John Semen or Mark Pick). It is the rated by the experts as the best of the systems, Unidata would be next, and UniVerse would be 3rd. The first reason is that Unix systems are not susceptible by Windows viruses. The second reason is security, Most windows hackers are complete lost in UNIX. The Unix systems are more robust. The file management is improved in Unix and The Unix OS was designed for multi users and by mainframe software engineers who have a far more knowledge of multi user environments. Most companies hire windows network engineers and they don't like the idea of Unix platforms. However most large companies run Unix or Aix or Hpux for the platform for Reality or U2. Some other considerations would be if you are coming from a different Multi-Value package like Pick D2 or mvBase, Reality and UniVerse have switches to creating an environment to run that flavor of Multi-Value, requiring little to no conversion of the software and database. A big cost factor in the conversion. Dave R. 949 757 8519 (work) eFax (815)4259364 -- Original Message -- From: JPB-U2UG jpb-u...@hotmail.com To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [u2u] UV on Windows question Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:00:37 -0500 I've never worked with UV on Windows so I would like to know, apart from the obvious differences of the operating system, is there much difference in administering the database in Windows as compared to Linux/Unix. Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2142/fc/BLSrjpTOVoK8MNQ2jcygQ1UHaGxeSYz U7qCu4EnncAfGU1lK5Ikr5JJDuhy/ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] wIntegrate grid control
I am having problems copying and pasting data within this control, pasting text from any other source works but if I copy data from the grid and paste it back to the grid it does not work. Any ideas? The data looks O.K. in the clipboard. I am using wIntegrate version 6. * This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by * Blairs Email Server, and is believed to be clean. * * This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and * intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they * are addressed. * * If you have received this email in error please notify us at Blairs, * details can be found on our website http://www.blairsltd.co.uk * * Name Registered Office: * -- * Blairs Limited * 9 Baker Street * Greenock * PA15 4TU * Company No: SC132926 * VAT No: 554698690 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Odd permissions error running a vb script using dos /c command
Hi Dave It should take the permissions of whatever user you have logged into UniVerse with. At the risk of asking the obvious, have you logged in as that admin user? Also, it shouldn't make any difference but do you get the same error if you create a verb pointer directly to CSCRIPT.EXE instead of shelling via DOS /C ? Brian _ From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dave Greer Sent: 01 June 2009 19:40 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Odd permissions error running a vb script using dos /c command I have a vb script that updates a filezilla configuration file on another server given a username and password. Universe 10.2 is running on a Windows 2003 Server. The Universe Server has administrator permissions on the other server. If I run the script from the windows command line of the Universe server, it works perfectly. If I run the script from TCL or execute it from Unibasic it throws up a permissions error pointing to the write line of the vbscript. When running from the windows command line, I'm running: cscript.exe d:\newage\createftp.vbs Username Password From UV, I'm running dos /c cscript.exe createftp.vbs UserName Password Windows messages are: Microsoft (R) Windows Script Host Version 5.6 Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation 1996-2001. All rights reserved. [Create FTP v2005.2.0] D:\NEWAGE\CREATEFTP.VBS(542, 3) Microsoft VBScript runtime error: Permission denied ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Triggers and Account Copy
Mark Eastwood wrote: Exactly, dropping the triggers is something Id like to avoid. Id much rather copy and then fix in the new account. I was hoping there were commands to facilitate (similar to SET.INDEX for Indexes). Remember that the logic you put in the DELETE or UPDATE trigger is arbitrary, so it would be difficult to have a general "Rebuild" ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question
Let's see now. I have been working on Unix type systems for 30 years and never had an anti-virus program running on any of them. Can you say the same about Windows? In that time only one of them got hacked. Can you say the same about Windows? I can go on if you wish. Jerry Banker From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:07 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question It is the rated by the experts as the best of the systems, What experts ? The first reason is that Unix systems are not susceptible by Windows viruses. A protected windows server would not be either - we are not talking desktops here with users surfing the internet all day. From: Dave R [mailto:dave.ra...@juno.com] Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:54 PM To: jpb-u...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [u2u] UV on Windows question Unix has it's own set of administration tools different the windows administration tools, I don't believe they require about the same knowledge to use, if you are a windows engineer you would like a windows platform and if you are a Unix engineer you would prefer Unix. Even thought I use a Windows platform I prefer Unix systems as a platform for a Multi-Value system. If you want to purchase a new system then I would go to Reality (contact Northgate-IS, John Semen or Mark Pick). It is the rated by the experts as the best of the systems, Unidata would be next, and UniVerse would be 3rd. The first reason is that Unix systems are not susceptible by Windows viruses. The second reason is security, Most windows hackers are complete lost in UNIX. The Unix systems are more robust. The file management is improved in Unix and The Unix OS was designed for multi users and by mainframe software engineers who have a far more knowledge of multi user environments. Most companies hire windows network engineers and they don't like the idea of Unix platforms. However most large companies run Unix or Aix or Hpux for the platform for Reality or U2. Some other considerations would be if you are coming from a different Multi-Value package like Pick D2 or mvBase, Reality and UniVerse have switches to creating an environment to run that flavor of Multi-Value, requiring little to no conversion of the software and database. A big cost factor in the conversion. Dave R. 949 757 8519 (work) eFax (815)4259364 -- Original Message -- From: JPB-U2UG jpb-u...@hotmail.com To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [u2u] UV on Windows question Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:00:37 -0500 I've never worked with UV on Windows so I would like to know, apart from the obvious differences of the operating system, is there much difference in administering the database in Windows as compared to Linux/Unix. Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2142/fc/BLSrjpTOVoK8MNQ2jcygQ1UHaGxeSYz U7qCu4EnncAfGU1lK5Ikr5JJDuhy/ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question
Right on Jerry. We recently experienced a violent lightning storm here in South Florida. While we have a backup generator and multiple UPS systems, transient protection, etc., we thought it prudent to bring down some systems, do some spring-cleaning and vacuum out the dust bunnies and cat fur from the fans and filters. When bringing up one of the SUSE Linux servers, running uniVerse, I was greeted with the message: System has gone 220 days without a shutdown. To quote Jerry, Can you say the same about Windows? Lee Bacall http://www.binarystar.com - Original Message - From: jpb-u2ug To: 'U2 Users List' Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question Let's see now. I have been working on Unix type systems for 30 years and never had an anti-virus program running on any of them. Can you say the same about Windows? In that time only one of them got hacked. Can you say the same about Windows? I can go on if you wish. Jerry Banker ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Triggers and Account Copy
Triggers on files usually call subroutines that do something, update an audit file or check for consistency or add an item to a queue, for example. As long as the trigger subroutines are accessing local files in the test environment and the main trigger subroutines are cataloged globally, you should be fine. You can substitute any other called subroutines within the main subroutine locally and make them 'stub' programs if necessary. There is no reason to remove the triggers on the files with a plain 'cp' command. Just make sure that the subroutines are not updating production data anywhere and that all file opens are to local files in your test environment. Shaun Ferguson Master Data Systems Analyst/Global Business Applications Wolseley plc - 12500 Jefferson Avenue - Newport News - VA - 23602-4314 T: (757) 989-2916 - F: (757) 989-2801 - E: shaun.fergu...@wolseley.com www.wolseley.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Triggers and Account Copy
Thanks Shaun. Yes, the triggers are simple audits. I'll go ahead and do the cp, and then review everything is working. Mark -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of shaun.fergu...@ferguson.com Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 6:49 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Triggers and Account Copy Triggers on files usually call subroutines that do something, update an audit file or check for consistency or add an item to a queue, for example. As long as the trigger subroutines are accessing local files in the test environment and the main trigger subroutines are cataloged globally, you should be fine. You can substitute any other called subroutines within the main subroutine locally and make them 'stub' programs if necessary. There is no reason to remove the triggers on the files with a plain 'cp' command. Just make sure that the subroutines are not updating production data anywhere and that all file opens are to local files in your test environment. Shaun Ferguson Master Data Systems Analyst/Global Business Applications Wolseley plc - 12500 Jefferson Avenue - Newport News - VA - 23602-4314 T: (757) 989-2916 - F: (757) 989-2801 - E: shaun.fergu...@wolseley.com www.wolseley.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question
My meaning is that you would run uv on windows server behind a firewall and the server would not have a user browsing the internet, or be accepting and opening emails. Viruses do not just appear on a windows box. The difference here being server systems of whatever o/s rarely get the exposure that allows a virus, this is completely different to desktop systems. Viruses for linux do exist but the linux desktop market is very small so the virus market is very small. From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of jpb-u2ug Sent: 02 June 2009 13:58 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question Let's see now. I have been working on Unix type systems for 30 years and never had an anti-virus program running on any of them. Can you say the same about Windows? In that time only one of them got hacked. Can you say the same about Windows? I can go on if you wish. Jerry Banker From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:07 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question It is the rated by the experts as the best of the systems, What experts ? The first reason is that Unix systems are not susceptible by Windows viruses. A protected windows server would not be either - we are not talking desktops here with users surfing the internet all day. From: Dave R [mailto:dave.ra...@juno.com] Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:54 PM To: jpb-u...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [u2u] UV on Windows question Unix has it's own set of administration tools different the windows administration tools, I don't believe they require about the same knowledge to use, if you are a windows engineer you would like a windows platform and if you are a Unix engineer you would prefer Unix. Even thought I use a Windows platform I prefer Unix systems as a platform for a Multi-Value system. If you want to purchase a new system then I would go to Reality (contact Northgate-IS, John Semen or Mark Pick). It is the rated by the experts as the best of the systems, Unidata would be next, and UniVerse would be 3rd. The first reason is that Unix systems are not susceptible by Windows viruses. The second reason is security, Most windows hackers are complete lost in UNIX. The Unix systems are more robust. The file management is improved in Unix and The Unix OS was designed for multi users and by mainframe software engineers who have a far more knowledge of multi user environments. Most companies hire windows network engineers and they don't like the idea of Unix platforms. However most large companies run Unix or Aix or Hpux for the platform for Reality or U2. Some other considerations would be if you are coming from a different Multi-Value package like Pick D2 or mvBase, Reality and UniVerse have switches to creating an environment to run that flavor of Multi-Value, requiring little to no conversion of the software and database. A big cost factor in the conversion. Dave R. 949 757 8519 (work) eFax (815)4259364 -- Original Message -- From: JPB-U2UG jpb-u...@hotmail.com To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [u2u] UV on Windows question Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:00:37 -0500 I've never worked with UV on Windows so I would like to know, apart from the obvious differences of the operating system, is there much difference in administering the database in Windows as compared to Linux/Unix. Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2142/fc/BLSrjpTOVoK8MNQ2jcygQ1UHaGxeSYz U7qCu4EnncAfGU1lK5Ikr5JJDuhy/ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question
I really didn't want the question of the differences in administration of Universe to turn into a Unix vs Windows battle. Jerry Banker Ps: However if you want to then bring it on.:-) On the community list. From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:07 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question It is the rated by the experts as the best of the systems, What experts ? The first reason is that Unix systems are not susceptible by Windows viruses. A protected windows server would not be either - we are not talking desktops here with users surfing the internet all day. From: Dave R [mailto:dave.ra...@juno.com] Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:54 PM To: jpb-u...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [u2u] UV on Windows question Unix has it's own set of administration tools different the windows administration tools, I don't believe they require about the same knowledge to use, if you are a windows engineer you would like a windows platform and if you are a Unix engineer you would prefer Unix. Even thought I use a Windows platform I prefer Unix systems as a platform for a Multi-Value system. If you want to purchase a new system then I would go to Reality (contact Northgate-IS, John Semen or Mark Pick). It is the rated by the experts as the best of the systems, Unidata would be next, and UniVerse would be 3rd. The first reason is that Unix systems are not susceptible by Windows viruses. The second reason is security, Most windows hackers are complete lost in UNIX. The Unix systems are more robust. The file management is improved in Unix and The Unix OS was designed for multi users and by mainframe software engineers who have a far more knowledge of multi user environments. Most companies hire windows network engineers and they don't like the idea of Unix platforms. However most large companies run Unix or Aix or Hpux for the platform for Reality or U2. Some other considerations would be if you are coming from a different Multi-Value package like Pick D2 or mvBase, Reality and UniVerse have switches to creating an environment to run that flavor of Multi-Value, requiring little to no conversion of the software and database. A big cost factor in the conversion. Dave R. 949 757 8519 (work) eFax (815)4259364 -- Original Message -- From: JPB-U2UG jpb-u...@hotmail.com To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [u2u] UV on Windows question Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:00:37 -0500 I've never worked with UV on Windows so I would like to know, apart from the obvious differences of the operating system, is there much difference in administering the database in Windows as compared to Linux/Unix. Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2142/fc/BLSrjpTOVoK8MNQ2jcygQ1UHaGxeSYz U7qCu4EnncAfGU1lK5Ikr5JJDuhy/ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question
I'll second that Printing in Windows is much more seamless than Linux/UNIX. You create a printer and it's there. However what I think you miss out on in Windows is all the great utilities and diverse language support that is native to Linux. Your options to get things done in a native, less hacked together, way on Linux is far stronger than on Windows. Like Brian said though, UV is great at ironing out the differences so really it boils down to how you are going to extend UV. If your going to use Microsoft solutions then the go Windows. If your going to use FOSS solutions to extend, then use Linux. My $.02 Nrom On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk wrote: Hi Generally, UV irons out the differences so in most areas where there are significant underlying differences like socket library etc. you won't need any changes. Others have pointed out the big spooler difference and I can vouch for for SpoolerPlus: it does what it says on tin. Some other changes: - Device configurations e.g. for tapes will be different - Unless you change the registry, user name is reported as DOMAIN\username. - You are connecting through the UniVerse telnet service, so logging on/off is different. - Do remember that since type 1/19 files are regular directories, item names in these will be case insensitive. In general, you may be surprised how close the two implementation are. You can always download the personal edition from IBM for Windows to play before committing yourself to a migration. Brian From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of JPB-U2UG Sent: 30 May 2009 22:01 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [u2u] UV on Windows question I've never worked with UV on Windows so I would like to know, apart from the obvious differences of the operating system, is there much difference in administering the database in Windows as compared to Linux/Unix. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question
I just rebooted my Linux systems last week the first time in about 6 months. The reason, because the windows servers on our network have been changed so many times that they were finally starting to affect Samba on the Linux server. I couldn't just change the IP addresses anymore and restart Samba, I actually had to reboot the system. I have had the system up so long that I got a message like Lee's but I try to reboot at least once a year just so the heads don't weld themselves to the disk surface if I do have to bring them down for some reason. I don't think we have ever had a windows server stay up more than a week so I think you are either lucky or you very seldom install a patch on your server. Jerry Banker From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:04 AM To: 'Lee Bacall'; 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question My main web server running windows server 2003 was last rebooted Feb 2008 ! I think people when you say windows think about their own experience of their desktop whereas when it is on a server the whole usage is very different, that is what i am trying to get across ! Having said all this yes i would prefer linux just because of its ease of tuning using the shell and text based config files is much easier than say a gui and the registry. From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Lee Bacall Sent: 02 June 2009 14:14 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question Right on Jerry. We recently experienced a violent lightning storm here in South Florida. While we have a backup generator and multiple UPS systems, transient protection, etc., we thought it prudent to bring down some systems, do some spring-cleaning and vacuum out the dust bunnies and cat fur from the fans and filters. When bringing up one of the SUSE Linux servers, running uniVerse, I was greeted with the message: System has gone 220 days without a shutdown. To quote Jerry, Can you say the same about Windows? Lee Bacall http://www.binarystar.com - Original Message - From: jpb-u2ug mailto:jpb-u...@hotmail.com To: 'U2 mailto:u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Users List' Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question Let's see now. I have been working on Unix type systems for 30 years and never had an anti-virus program running on any of them. Can you say the same about Windows? In that time only one of them got hacked. Can you say the same about Windows? I can go on if you wish. Jerry Banker ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question
Jerry There's a simple answer to *that* question. Having used AIX, HPUX, DGUX, SCO, Interactive, SunOS, Solaris, Linux and Windows, as well as a plethora of different languages and frameworks.. the best technology is whatever I'm being PAID to work on at the time :) Brian _ From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of jpb-u2ug Sent: 02 June 2009 15:31 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question I really didn't want the question of the differences in administration of Universe to turn into a Unix vs Windows battle. Jerry Banker Ps: However if you want to then bring it on.:-) On the community list. From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:07 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question It is the rated by the experts as the best of the systems, What experts ? The first reason is that Unix systems are not susceptible by Windows viruses. A protected windows server would not be either - we are not talking desktops here with users surfing the internet all day. From: Dave R [mailto:dave.ra...@juno.com] Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:54 PM To: jpb-u...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [u2u] UV on Windows question Unix has it's own set of administration tools different the windows administration tools, I don't believe they require about the same knowledge to use, if you are a windows engineer you would like a windows platform and if you are a Unix engineer you would prefer Unix. Even thought I use a Windows platform I prefer Unix systems as a platform for a Multi-Value system. If you want to purchase a new system then I would go to Reality (contact Northgate-IS, John Semen or Mark Pick). It is the rated by the experts as the best of the systems, Unidata would be next, and UniVerse would be 3rd. The first reason is that Unix systems are not susceptible by Windows viruses. The second reason is security, Most windows hackers are complete lost in UNIX. The Unix systems are more robust. The file management is improved in Unix and The Unix OS was designed for multi users and by mainframe software engineers who have a far more knowledge of multi user environments. Most companies hire windows network engineers and they don't like the idea of Unix platforms. However most large companies run Unix or Aix or Hpux for the platform for Reality or U2. Some other considerations would be if you are coming from a different Multi-Value package like Pick D2 or mvBase, Reality and UniVerse have switches to creating an environment to run that flavor of Multi-Value, requiring little to no conversion of the software and database. A big cost factor in the conversion. Dave R. 949 757 8519 (work) eFax (815)4259364 -- Original Message -- From: JPB-U2UG jpb-u...@hotmail.com To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [u2u] UV on Windows question Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:00:37 -0500 I've never worked with UV on Windows so I would like to know, apart from the obvious differences of the operating system, is there much difference in administering the database in Windows as compared to Linux/Unix. Criminal Lawyers - Click http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2142/fc/BLSrjpTOVoK8MNQ2jcygQ1UHaGxeSYz U7qCu4EnncAfGU1lK5Ikr5JJDuhy/ here. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question
My main web server running windows server 2003 was last rebooted Feb 2008 ! I guess you haven't patched it either, then. Dave Barrett___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question
Jerry: I think I can say yes. Our Windows "servers" only have AV on any directory where someone can "upload" a file onto. They're behind a firewall and there is a very limited number of services available. There are an extreme number of security settings available in Windows and I suspect if the "upload" directory didn't have "execute" privileges that might obviate the need for AV; but I'm just careful and courteous to those downloading files from this directory. Our UniData server seems to run without any problems for as long as I leave it alone. Naturally, when I run Windows update (which I don't run but once every three or four months) it always seems to "reboot" itself. So, I don't really know how well it would run if I just left it alone. But then, in a small business it is often much more cost effective to reboot a server than try to track down which dependency is causing problems. :-) Bill From: jpb-u2ug jpb-u...@hotmail.com Sent: 6/2/2009 5:58 AM To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question Lets see now. I have been working on Unix type systems for 30 years and never had an anti-virus program running on any of them. Can you say the same about Windows? In that time only one of them got hacked. Can you say the same about Windows? I can go on if you wish. Jerry Banker From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:07 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question It is the rated by the experts as the best of the systems, What experts ? The first reason is that Unix systems are not susceptible by Windows viruses. A protected windows server would not be either we are not talking desktops here with users surfing the internet all day. From: Dave R [mailto:dave.ra...@juno.com] Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:54 PM To: jpb-u...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [u2u] UV on Windows question Unix has its own set of administration tools different the windows administration tools, I dont believe they require about the same knowledge to use, if you are a windows engineer you would like a windows platform and if you are a Unix engineer you would prefer Unix. Even thought I use a Windows platform I prefer Unix systems as a platform for a Multi-Value system. If you want to purchase a new system then I would go to Reality (contact Northgate-IS, John Semen or Mark Pick). It is the rated by the experts as the best of the systems, Unidata would be next, and UniVerse would be 3rd. The first reason is that Unix systems are not susceptible by Windows viruses. The second reason is security, Most windows hackers are complete lost in UNIX. The Unix systems are more robust. The file management is improved in Unix and The Unix OS was designed for multi users and by mainframe software engineers who have a far more knowledge of multi user environments. Most companies hire windows network engineers and they dont like the idea of Unix platforms. However most large companies run Unix or Aix or Hpux for the platform for Reality or U2. Some other considerations would be if you are coming from a different Multi-Value package like Pick D2 or mvBase, Reality and UniVerse have switches to creating an environment to run that flavor of Multi-Value, requiring little to no conversion of the software and database. A big cost factor in the conversion. Dave R. 949 757 8519 (work) eFax (815)4259364 -- Original Message -- From: "JPB-U2UG" jpb-u...@hotmail.com To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [u2u] UV on Windows question Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:00:37 -0500 I've never worked with UV on Windows so I would like to know, apart from the obvious differences of the operating system, is there much difference in administering the database in Windows as compared to Linux/Unix. Criminal Lawyers - Click here. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] Personal Edition Modulo Limits
Starting with a disclaimer that I'm a UniVerse newbie: I'm doing some integration work with Universe and I'm having trouble importing some data into my Personal Edition install. I always get this error : Please resize it to modulo = 10007 in order to use it in Personal Edition. On any file of large size - obviously, I don't want to change the modulo on the live data just to import it into PE, but I can't figure out how I can import any of this data into PE from our other UniVerse instance. I actually need neither performance or completeness here, just structural sameness from the live data. I saw in the archives that somebody had said this can be done. - but didn't go into any further detail about how to do it. Tantalizing! Thanks, Stephen ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question
Simple I don't install patches that require a reboot - I am running 24x7 high transaction servers here - reboots are not allowed (not strictly true because of load balancers btw) As i said before if you have a server either linux or windows you don't mess about with it you keep it as stable as poss to run your app on. Similarly we do not install 'patches' on our linux boxes unless we really have to as you do not know what change that will make and you may have to do a reboot, a developer installed php 5 on one of our test boxes recently and broke heaps of stuff ! recently I also had an nfs patch on a dev linux box and had to reboot afterwards for it to work again. People are so keen to get on the lets whip windows bandwagon (personally i think *nix is better as a server os) but i truly believe the biggest set of problems are not caused by the os but by the policy of the IT departments that maintain the boxes. Generally windows is set up to auto patch - this is fine for your desktop but not for your server - you should clearly understand exactly what each patch is for and determine if you really need it. Conversely linux is rarely set to auto patch - probably because you have to pay your subscription in order to do so. Linux will require a reboot for some patches which some people seem to not know or have forgotten ! From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of jpb-u2ug Sent: 02 June 2009 16:08 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question I just rebooted my Linux systems last week the first time in about 6 months. The reason, because the windows servers on our network have been changed so many times that they were finally starting to affect Samba on the Linux server. I couldn't just change the IP addresses anymore and restart Samba, I actually had to reboot the system. I have had the system up so long that I got a message like Lee's but I try to reboot at least once a year just so the heads don't weld themselves to the disk surface if I do have to bring them down for some reason. I don't think we have ever had a windows server stay up more than a week so I think you are either lucky or you very seldom install a patch on your server. Jerry Banker From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:04 AM To: 'Lee Bacall'; 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question My main web server running windows server 2003 was last rebooted Feb 2008 ! I think people when you say windows think about their own experience of their desktop whereas when it is on a server the whole usage is very different, that is what i am trying to get across ! Having said all this yes i would prefer linux just because of its ease of tuning using the shell and text based config files is much easier than say a gui and the registry. From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Lee Bacall Sent: 02 June 2009 14:14 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question Right on Jerry. We recently experienced a violent lightning storm here in South Florida. While we have a backup generator and multiple UPS systems, transient protection, etc., we thought it prudent to bring down some systems, do some spring-cleaning and vacuum out the dust bunnies and cat fur from the fans and filters. When bringing up one of the SUSE Linux servers, running uniVerse, I was greeted with the message: System has gone 220 days without a shutdown. To quote Jerry, Can you say the same about Windows? Lee Bacall http://www.binarystar.com - Original Message - From: jpb-u2ug mailto:jpb-u...@hotmail.com To: 'U2 Users List' mailto:u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question Let's see now. I have been working on Unix type systems for 30 years and never had an anti-virus program running on any of them. Can you say the same about Windows? In that time only one of them got hacked. Can you say the same about Windows? I can go on if you wish. Jerry Banker ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question
From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of jpb-u2ug Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 8:08 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] [u2u] UV on Windows question I just rebooted my Linux systems last week the first time in about 6 months. The reason, because the windows servers on our network have been changed so many times that they were finally starting to affect Samba on the Linux server. Funny, I just rebooted our linux UV server yesterday for almost the same reason. It appeared that some Active Directory replication problems had hosed cached winbind data somewhere and it was affecting users' ability to log into UV. When rebooting the AD servers and clearing the winbind cache files no longer helped, I was forced to reboot the linux server. It had been up for 408 days. My coworker who handles the Windows admin duties joked, up for 408 days and eventually brought down by Windows. All joking aside, both up time and patching policies are important considerations when evaluating the differences between Windows and linux/unix as a platform for UV. The downsides of patching are that it may force a reboot (although moreso on Windows) and carries some inherent risk of breaking key functionality (although moreso on linux/unix). The reason I make the latter assertion is that the wide variety of linux/unix platforms and relatively small individual market share for each results in less thorough patch testing. Windows platforms, on the other hand, are much more vanilla. If you have a Windows 2003 server with service pack 2 and all the latest patches installed, you can be reasonably sure it's nearly identical to all the other fully patched W2K3 SP2 servers out there. If you wait a few weeks to install a Windows patch, there's a good chance any problems with it will have already affected some other poor saps and their complaints will be all over google. That vanilla nature of Windows that makes patching safer also makes it more critical. A virus writer who's discovered a way to exploit a Windows service can be reasonably certain that if the exploit works against one Windows machine, it will work against most of them. Also, simply keeping a Windows server behind a firewall is no guarantee of safety. A desktop user may be become infected via a browser or mail attachment exploit that will scan the network looking for vulnerable servers to propogate to. On the other hand, attempting to write a virus or worm that will reliably exploit a service on various versions of RedHat, SuSe, Ubuntu, HP-UX, AIX, etc. would be a tall order. Virus writing today is a for-profit business, and it just makes more economic sense to target Windows. I don't think that one platform is necessarily better than the other for UV, but I do think one may be a better fit than the other for a given site. I prefer running UV on linux in our environment for a number of reasons (cron scheduler, shell scripting, free OS utilities), but for a site that has mostly Windows expertise and isn't affected by off-hours reboots, UV on Windows might make more sense. -John ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Personal Edition Modulo Limits
Stephen Prater wrote: Starting with a disclaimer that I'm a UniVerse newbie: I'm doing some integration work with Universe and I'm having trouble importing some data into my Personal Edition install. I always get this error : Please resize it to modulo = 10007 in order to use it in Personal Edition. On any file of large size - obviously, I don't want to change the modulo on the live data just to import it into PE, but I can't figure out how I can import any of this data into PE from our other UniVerse instance. I actually need neither performance or completeness here, just structural sameness from the live data. I saw in the archives that somebody had said this can be done. - but didn't go into any further detail about how to do it. Tantalizing! Thanks, Stephen ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users I haven't tried, but my first thought is Distributed File, make it several modulo data sections. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Personal Edition Modulo Limits
Hi. I've made some tests and proved you can workaround palying wirh the sparation. You need to decrease the modulo under 10007. So increase your separation (in power of 2) as you need. For example, a file with a TYPE,MODULE,SEPARATION of 18, 26573, 8 could be resized as 18, 9973, 32 without loosing of performance. Regards, -Augusto Alonso - Original Message - From: Stephen Prater steph...@agrussell.com To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 8:17 PM Subject: [U2] Personal Edition Modulo Limits Starting with a disclaimer that I'm a UniVerse newbie: I'm doing some integration work with Universe and I'm having trouble importing some data into my Personal Edition install. I always get this error : Please resize it to modulo = 10007 in order to use it in Personal Edition. On any file of large size - obviously, I don't want to change the modulo on the live data just to import it into PE, but I can't figure out how I can import any of this data into PE from our other UniVerse instance. I actually need neither performance or completeness here, just structural sameness from the live data. I saw in the archives that somebody had said this can be done. - but didn't go into any further detail about how to do it. Tantalizing! Thanks, Stephen ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Personal Edition Modulo Limits
I'll add to Augusto's response that you will also need to resize any dynamic files that are over the 10007 modulo. rex Augusto Alonso wrote: Hi. I've made some tests and proved you can workaround palying wirh the separation. You need to decrease the modulo under 10007. So increase your separation (in power of 2) as you need. For example, a file with a TYPE,MODULE,SEPARATION of 18, 26573, 8 could be resized as 18, 9973, 32 without loosing of performance. Regards, -Augusto Alonso ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] Digest???
What happened to the digest again? It's back to 2 issues at a time. Thanks, Jan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of u2-users-requ...@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:12 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: U2-Users Digest, Vol 2, Issue 14 Send U2-Users mailing list submissions to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to u2-users-requ...@listserver.u2ug.org You can reach the person managing the list at u2-users-ow...@listserver.u2ug.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of U2-Users digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: [u2u] UV on Windows question (Symeon Breen) 2. Re: [u2u] UV on Windows question (John Hester) Confidentiality Notice: This communication and any accompanying attachments contain privileged and confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. This communication is private and protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby respectfully notified that any disclosures, copying, forwarding or distribution, or the taking of any action based on the contents of this communication is strictly prohibited. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Odd permissions error running a vb script using dos /c command {Unclassified}
Or you could try using the UVRunCommand() function instead of dos
/c.
This was introduced (in 10.1 IIRC) as a result of an E-case I opened,
but is documented only in the 10.2 GCI manual.
Usage is:
!---
---
DECLARE GCI UVRunCommand
!---
---
DOSString = your DOS command
MyStatus = UVRunCommand('c:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe /c
':DOSString)
IF MyStatus NE 0 THEN
handle an error
END
!---
---
The major advantage of UVRunCommand() over DOS /c is that it handles
quoted strings correctly. DOS /c scrambles a quoted string.
Regards
Mike
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brian Leach
Sent: Tuesday, 2 June 2009 11:30 p.m.
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] Odd permissions error running a vb script using dos
/ccommand
Hi Dave
It should take the permissions of whatever user you have logged into
UniVerse with.
At the risk of asking the obvious, have you logged in as that admin
user?
Also, it shouldn't make any difference but do you get the same error if
you create a verb pointer directly to CSCRIPT.EXE instead of shelling
via DOS /C ?
Brian
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dave Greer
Sent: 01 June 2009 19:40
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] Odd permissions error running a vb script using
dos /c command
I have a vb script that updates a filezilla configuration file
on another server given a username and password. Universe 10.2 is
running on a Windows 2003 Server. The Universe Server has administrator
permissions on the other server. If I run the script from the windows
command line of the Universe server, it works perfectly. If I run the
script from TCL or execute it from Unibasic it throws up a permissions
error pointing to the write line of the vbscript.
When running from the windows command line, I'm running:
cscript.exe d:\newage\createftp.vbs Username Password
From UV, I'm running dos /c cscript.exe createftp.vbs UserName
Password
Windows messages are:
Microsoft (R) Windows Script Host Version 5.6
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation 1996-2001. All rights
reserved.
[Create FTP v2005.2.0]
D:\NEWAGE\CREATEFTP.VBS(542, 3) Microsoft VBScript runtime
error: Permission denied
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Re: [U2] Triggers and Account Copy
Sorry I forgot to mention - you should only need to edit the header when the files need to be fnuxi'd (in our case, the source db is AIX and target is Linux). The end changes and you can't fnuxi a file with triggers on them. Otherwise, if you don't have to fnuxi between source target, it should just be a simple copy and restore without dropping the triggers. Stuart Boydell From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Boydell, Stuart Sent: Tuesday, 2 June 2009 13:09 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Triggers and Account Copy ...if it's a 24/7 file (ie you can't drop the trigger as it would compromise data integrity) you can edit the file header once it has been restored. It's fiddly but possible. We do it this way when using a snap copy of the production database. Stuart Boydell From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of John Jenkins Sent: Tuesday, 2 June 2009 07:23 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Triggers and Account Copy If you are using uvbackup / uvrestore drop the triggers first. Regards JayJay From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mark Eastwood Sent: 01 June 2009 20:19 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Triggers and Account Copy Uv 10.2 RH I need to copy a live account to a test account (i.e. cp -r live test), but the live account has Triggers setup on several files. Should I drop these triggers before copying? Or can they be left alone and work in the new account just fine? I know indexes require some cleanup after the copy, just never had to deal with triggers before. TIA, Mark ** This email message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of addressed recipient(s). If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this e-mail to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery and then delete it and your reply. It is your responsibility to check this email and any attachments for viruses and defects before opening or sending them on. Spotless collects information about you to provide and market our services. For information about use, disclosure and access, see our privacy policy at http://www.spotless.com.au Please consider our environment before printing this email. ** ** This email message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of addressed recipient(s). If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this e-mail to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery and then delete it and your reply. It is your responsibility to check this email and any attachments for viruses and defects before opening or sending them on. Spotless collects information about you to provide and market our services. For information about use, disclosure and access, see our privacy policy at http://www.spotless.com.au Please consider our environment before printing this email. ** ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
