Re: [U2] Trouble sending reply emails
Dianne are You sure that the bounce comes from the listserver? ( To check that select show all headers and look for @listserver.u2ug.org in any of the Received - headers.) If they bounce eralier ask Your mail admin. -- mats Dianne Ackerman skrev: Does anyone have any idea why I would be getting the following error message bounced to me when I reply to a message on the list? To send a message to the list, I have to initiate the message, I can't seem to reply. Thanks. -Dianne The message's content type was not explicitly allowed ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Writeseq - getting to the EOF
We have used the SEEK filehandle, 0 2 statement It is literally an exposure of the C seek statement. Yes, it works John Woollam | Group Function Support 1 (Finance Systems) | Travis Perkins PLC | UK -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Don Robinson Sent: 24 March 2010 23:43 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Writeseq - getting to the EOF George, Have you tried the SEEK statement, ie, SEEK filehandle, 0 , 2 The 0 (zero) is the offset and the 2 is relative to the end of the file. Caution, untested code! Good luck, Don Robinson From: George Gallen ggal...@wyanokegroup.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 5:25:31 PM Subject: [U2] Writeseq - getting to the EOF ok. UV 10.0.2 Is there a quick way to get to the end of a file to start appending after an OPENSEQ Otherthan, a loop to READSEQ until it hits the EOF. Right now, that is not a problem, but this file could grow to some considerable size, and that loop might take a little bit to cycle through. I didn't see any options for the OPENSEQ to start at the EOF, and didn't find any commands that would set the eof (other than WEOFSEQ which doesn't seem likely to help). Thanks George Gallen Senior Programmer/Analyst Accounting/Data Division, EDI Administrator ggal...@wyanokegroup.com ph:856.848.9005 Ext 220 The Wyanoke Group http://www.wyanokegroup.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users html head meta http-equiv=Content-type content=text/html; charset=UTF-8 /head body P style=MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0ptSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 8.2pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee only. If you have received this message in error, you must not copy, distribute or disclose the contents; please notify the sender immediately and delete the message. /SPAN/P P style=MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0ptSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 8.2pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'This message is attributed to the sender and may not necessarily reflect the view of Travis Perkins plc or its subsidiaries (Travis Perkins). Agreements binding Travis Perkins may not be concluded by means of e-mail communication. /SPAN/P P style=MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0ptSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 8.2pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'E-mail transmissions are not secure and Travis Perkins accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. Whilst steps have been taken to ensure that this message is virus free, Travis Perkins accepts no liability for infection and recommends that you scan this e-mail and any attachments. /SPAN/P P style=MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0ptSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 8.2pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'Part of Travis Perkins plc. Registered Office: Lodge Way House, Lodge Way, Harlestone Road, Northampton, NN5 7UG. /SPAN/P /BODY /HTML ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] CPU Spikes to 100%
The environment is a virtualized Windows 2003 Server and Universe 10.2.10 On occasion, Ive been notified twice, it may have occurred more often, a Universe process (tl_server.exe) will consume 100% of the CPU. When this happens, support is automatically notified and they need an explanation. As far as the application goes, there is only one background job and all other jobs would execute immediately. I was last notified when it occurred at 2:20am on the 3rd and then again apparently this week. There are some users based in India that could be using the system at the time these occur, but I have not been able to make a connection to a user process yet. Doe's anyone have any ideas why this might be happening or suggestions on how to identify what ever is causing the spike? Is there a Universe log that might be able to give me a clue? Thanks for any suggestions. Curt Stewart TRI-SYS Consulting Integrated Multi-Value Business Solutions ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] CPU Spikes to 100%
Hi Curt, Try PORT.STATUS when the problem occurs. This will tell you where it is in the application. Martin Phillips ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] Unidata Silly Gripe
I know most won't care, but since I'm in the midst of a lot of Unidata migrations... Unidata provides three nifty tools: convcode, convdata and convidx for use in migrating a database. Can anyone tell me why the syntax for the three aren't the same? convdata and convidx use a unix-like -r flag for recursive, whereas convcode does not: convdata -r dirname convidx -r dirname convcode dirname I know this is absolutely trivial, but I've run into problems before scripting a moving and making the incorrect assumption that convcode took a -r flag. Jeff Butera, Ph.D. Manager of ERP Systems Hampshire College jbut...@hampshire.edu 413-559-5556 Life is a giant weenie roast and I'm the biggest weenie. Rose, The Golden Girls ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] CPU Spikes to 100%
I hit a similar problem with the .Net Uniobjects. A .Net application was using an old version. I recompiled the application with the new version and the problem went away. This occurred when a uniobject call took more than 6 minutes to respond. Regards David Jordan ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe
Probably because you would never have subdirectories in your program directory. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Butera Sent: 25 March 2010 10:58 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe I know most won't care, but since I'm in the midst of a lot of Unidata migrations... Unidata provides three nifty tools: convcode, convdata and convidx for use in migrating a database. Can anyone tell me why the syntax for the three aren't the same? convdata and convidx use a unix-like -r flag for recursive, whereas convcode does not: convdata -r dirname convidx -r dirname convcode dirname I know this is absolutely trivial, but I've run into problems before scripting a moving and making the incorrect assumption that convcode took a -r flag. Jeff Butera, Ph.D. Manager of ERP Systems Hampshire College jbut...@hampshire.edu 413-559-5556 Life is a giant weenie roast and I'm the biggest weenie. Rose, The Golden Girls ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe
Really? We have large trees with code placed all around. If we had a single folder it might have 1 files in it-ugly. Sent from my iPhone Jeff Butera jbut...@hampshire.edu On Mar 25, 2010, at 8:35 AM, Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com wrote: Probably because you would never have subdirectories in your program directory. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Butera Sent: 25 March 2010 10:58 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe I know most won't care, but since I'm in the midst of a lot of Unidata migrations... Unidata provides three nifty tools: convcode, convdata and convidx for use in migrating a database. Can anyone tell me why the syntax for the three aren't the same? convdata and convidx use a unix-like -r flag for recursive, whereas convcode does not: convdata -r dirname convidx -r dirname convcode dirname I know this is absolutely trivial, but I've run into problems before scripting a moving and making the incorrect assumption that convcode took a -r flag. Jeff Butera, Ph.D. Manager of ERP Systems Hampshire College jbut...@hampshire.edu 413-559-5556 Life is a giant weenie roast and I'm the biggest weenie. Rose, The Golden Girls ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Trouble sending reply emails
Yes I do! Bill Haskett wrote: Do you use Thunderbird? Bill Dianne Ackerman said the following on 3/24/2010 12:30 PM: Does anyone have any idea why I would be getting the following error message bounced to me when I reply to a message on the list? To send a message to the list, I have to initiate the message, I can't seem to reply. Thanks. -Dianne The message's content type was not explicitly allowed ___ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] CPU Spikes to 100%
Usually because a client has closed their terminal emulator without disconnecting nicely. The process loops attempting to read from the socket. No remedy but to kill the process. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Curt Stewart Sent: 25 March 2010 9:46 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: [U2] CPU Spikes to 100% The environment is a virtualized Windows 2003 Server and Universe 10.2.10 On occasion, Ive been notified twice, it may have occurred more often, a Universe process (tl_server.exe) will consume 100% of the CPU. When this happens, support is automatically notified and they need an explanation. As far as the application goes, there is only one background job and all other jobs would execute immediately. I was last notified when it occurred at 2:20am on the 3rd and then again apparently this week. There are some users based in India that could be using the system at the time these occur, but I have not been able to make a connection to a user process yet. Doe's anyone have any ideas why this might be happening or suggestions on how to identify what ever is causing the spike? Is there a Universe log that might be able to give me a clue? Thanks for any suggestions. Curt Stewart TRI-SYS Consulting Integrated Multi-Value Business Solutions ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2767 - Release Date: 03/24/10 07:33:00 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe
So are you saying you have one program file with multiple subdirectories in it ? How would you then compile or catalog such programs - say if it is BP/typeAprogs/progname Or are you saying in one account you have multiple program files ? - If so then you have to use convcode against each program file not the account. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Butera Sent: 25 March 2010 12:44 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe Really? We have large trees with code placed all around. If we had a single folder it might have 1 files in it-ugly. Sent from my iPhone Jeff Butera jbut...@hampshire.edu On Mar 25, 2010, at 8:35 AM, Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com wrote: Probably because you would never have subdirectories in your program directory. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Butera Sent: 25 March 2010 10:58 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe I know most won't care, but since I'm in the midst of a lot of Unidata migrations... Unidata provides three nifty tools: convcode, convdata and convidx for use in migrating a database. Can anyone tell me why the syntax for the three aren't the same? convdata and convidx use a unix-like -r flag for recursive, whereas convcode does not: convdata -r dirname convidx -r dirname convcode dirname I know this is absolutely trivial, but I've run into problems before scripting a moving and making the incorrect assumption that convcode took a -r flag. Jeff Butera, Ph.D. Manager of ERP Systems Hampshire College jbut...@hampshire.edu 413-559-5556 Life is a giant weenie roast and I'm the biggest weenie. Rose, The Golden Girls ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] e-procurement Transaction with SciQuest
Just wondering if anyone has ever successfully implemented a B2B e-procurement transaction (punchout, punchout response, punch out order message, order) using universe, with SciQuest as the facilitator. I have most of it working but cannot seem to satisfying their reply needs for the POOM. -- Carl Dula Voice: 973-227-8440 X111 Pulsar Systems, Inc.Fax: 973-227-8440 271 Route 46 West, Suite H209 email:c...@pulsarsystems.com Fairfield, NJ 07004-2474http://www.pulsarsystems.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe
See comments in-line. -Original Message- From: Symeon Breen So are you saying you have one program file with multiple subdirectories in it ? [Colin] Sure - why not? How would you then compile or catalog such programs - say if it is BP/typeAprogs/progname [Colin] The same as any other. In UniData you create a VOC entry for the directory and compile and catalog against it. Or are you saying in one account you have multiple program files ? - If so then you have to use convcode against each program file not the account. [Colin] In UniData an account is simply a directory. I'd imagine it would be quite common to have multiple program directories. Although I've only worked with 2 UniData systems - 1 has multiple accounts with many program directories in each although no subdirectories under the program directories, the other has only a couple of program directories but those all have program subdirectories. In both cases it would make life much easier to run commands recursively. Hth Colin Alfke Calgary, Canada ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe
Sorry - i think we were talking at cross purposes there. Yes an account is just a directory but many people refer to the directory in which they run the udt process as the account and this is where the voc resides. - typically the program files would be sub directories inside this account/directory - so you would have SOPprogs, SLprogs, etc It would get messy if inside this account you had say BP as your program directory with programs in it then also inside bp you had subdirectories also with programs, the sub directories would be fine as you could easily set up voc pointers for them, the BP directory would be fine as well, except any selects and commands based on selects i.e. catalog and basic, may go awry because of the sub directories inside it. So i think the reasoning behind the exclusion of -r for convcode is that you would not usually have a directory that had nothing in it except code and also contained subdirectories also with code, the main directory would be an account and as such you would not want to run convcode in the account, but against each of the program files inside that account. There are a million scenarios here the voc is just too flexible .. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Colin Alfke Sent: 25 March 2010 13:47 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe See comments in-line. -Original Message- From: Symeon Breen So are you saying you have one program file with multiple subdirectories in it ? [Colin] Sure - why not? How would you then compile or catalog such programs - say if it is BP/typeAprogs/progname [Colin] The same as any other. In UniData you create a VOC entry for the directory and compile and catalog against it. Or are you saying in one account you have multiple program files ? - If so then you have to use convcode against each program file not the account. [Colin] In UniData an account is simply a directory. I'd imagine it would be quite common to have multiple program directories. Although I've only worked with 2 UniData systems - 1 has multiple accounts with many program directories in each although no subdirectories under the program directories, the other has only a couple of program directories but those all have program subdirectories. In both cases it would make life much easier to run commands recursively. Hth Colin Alfke Calgary, Canada ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe
On unidata ? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of bradley.sch...@usbank.com Sent: 25 March 2010 14:10 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe How would you then compile or catalog such programs - say if it is BP/typeAprogs/progname We have a similar structure. The compile command is BASIC BP,typeAprogs progname U.S. BANCORP made the following annotations - Electronic Privacy Notice. This e-mail, and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws, and is also confidential and proprietary in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you are legally prohibited from retaining, using, copying, distributing, or otherwise disclosing this information in any manner. Instead, please reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and then immediately delete it. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. - ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe
Yes, on UniData (7.1). And our program BP is outside the application account/directory. So in our case we do have a directory with nothing but code in it and convcode -r would make sense. Brad. Symeon Breen On unidata ? bradley.sch...@usbank.com Sent: 25 March 2010 14:10 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe How would you then compile or catalog such programs - say if it is BP/typeAprogs/progname We have a similar structure. The compile command is BASIC BP,typeAprogs progname U.S. BANCORP made the following annotations - Electronic Privacy Notice. This e-mail, and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws, and is also confidential and proprietary in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you are legally prohibited from retaining, using, copying, distributing, or otherwise disclosing this information in any manner. Instead, please reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and then immediately delete it. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. - ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe
Well, I'll certainly concur that an account is simply the location of the VOC. Key word there - typically. Consider: Acct\bp\live\SOprogs Acct\bp\test\SOprogs Acct\bp\custom\SOprogs (OK - so no real pgm directories alongside programs. What about expanding to : Acct\bp\live\SOprogs\includes) Vs. Acct\SOprogs Acct\testSOprogs Acct\customSOprogs Here you're likely mixing Data files/dicts with the program directories. Besides - one is definitely more of a directory tree while the other is more of a directory lawn :) I guess messy is in the eye of the beholder. Plus, I'll certainly agree to the flexibility of the VOC (although it's a double-edged sword). The issue I have with UniData is that it will give you the flexibility with one hand and take it away with the other. Usually, it seems to come down to a typically. I've heard that the origin of UniData came from someone with a very definitive view of the right and wrong way to do things and it really shows every once in a while. My silly gripe is that the OS level commands GUIDE and MEMRESIZE work slightly differently. GUIDE will work on both the actual filename and the VOC name while MEMRESIZE looks at the VOC record. If a local filename has a VOC item that points elsewhere you can easily resize the wrong file or not be able to resize something you think you should be able to. Colin enough of the bad puns and trite colloquialisms already Alfke Calgary, Canada -Original Message- From: Symeon Breen Sorry - i think we were talking at cross purposes there. Yes an account is just a directory but many people refer to the directory in which they run the udt process as the account and this is where the voc resides. - typically the program files would be sub directories inside this account/directory - so you would have SOPprogs, SLprogs, etc It would get messy if inside this account you had say BP as your program directory with programs in it then also inside bp you had subdirectories also with programs, the sub directories would be fine as you could easily set up voc pointers for them, the BP directory would be fine as well, except any selects and commands based on selects i.e. catalog and basic, may go awry because of the sub directories inside it. So i think the reasoning behind the exclusion of -r for convcode is that you would not usually have a directory that had nothing in it except code and also contained subdirectories also with code, the main directory would be an account and as such you would not want to run convcode in the account, but against each of the program files inside that account. There are a million scenarios here the voc is just too flexible .. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe
Really? We have more than 20 subdirectories in our program directory. Each of them is defined as a DIR in Unidata, but at the Unix level (and convcode is a system-level command, not a Unidata verb) each is simply a sub-directory of the source directory. Larry Hiscock Western Computer Services -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 5:35 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe Probably because you would never have subdirectories in your program directory. snip ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe
We're with Larry and have truckloads. As the one who started the thread, let me be clear: i'm grateful these utilies have recursIve option and just curious why syntax might differ between them. Sent from my iPhone Jeff Butera jbut...@hampshire.edu On Mar 25, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Larry Hiscock lar...@wcs-corp.com wrote: Really? We have more than 20 subdirectories in our program directory. Each of them is defined as a DIR in Unidata, but at the Unix level (and convcode is a system-level command, not a Unidata verb) each is simply a sub-directory of the source directory. Larry Hiscock Western Computer Services -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 5:35 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe Probably because you would never have subdirectories in your program directory. snip ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe
I do. Multi-level directory files. Or, maybe, I misunderstand your comment. :-) Bill Symeon Breen said the following on 3/25/2010 5:35 AM: Probably because you would never have subdirectories in your program directory. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Butera Sent: 25 March 2010 10:58 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe I know most won't care, but since I'm in the midst of a lot of Unidata migrations... Unidata provides three nifty tools: convcode, convdata and convidx for use in migrating a database. Can anyone tell me why the syntax for the three aren't the same? convdata and convidx use a unix-like -r flag for recursive, whereas convcode does not: convdata -r dirname convidx -r dirname convcode dirname I know this is absolutely trivial, but I've run into problems before scripting a moving and making the incorrect assumption that convcode took a -r flag. Jeff Butera, Ph.D. Manager of ERP Systems Hampshire College jbut...@hampshire.edu 413-559-5556 Life is a giant weenie roast and I'm the biggest weenie. Rose, The Golden Girls ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe
Just a different way of doing it i suppose - i do have separate sub directories but they are under the dev account and not under say BP -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Larry Hiscock Sent: 25 March 2010 16:23 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe Really? We have more than 20 subdirectories in our program directory. Each of them is defined as a DIR in Unidata, but at the Unix level (and convcode is a system-level command, not a Unidata verb) each is simply a sub-directory of the source directory. Larry Hiscock Western Computer Services -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 5:35 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe Probably because you would never have subdirectories in your program directory. snip ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Trouble sending reply emails
The problem with Thunderbird is that you can't, well, at least I can't, set it up to reply to the U2 list in text mode if you normally respond to email in auto detect mode. I've set everything up to auto detect except email I send to the U2 group. But, if I don't originate the email, i.e. I respond to U2 mail, I have to click on Options Format Plain Text Only before I click [Send], otherwise the email is rejected by the U2 list server. I make this mistake all the time and have found that, as with this issue, there are quite a few quirks in Thunderbird that irritate me. However, not as much as Outlook consuming all the resources on my client machine and not properly connecting to IMAP servers. I must say that Outlook's interface is much smoother than Thunderbirds but the connections to the mail server are disgraceful compared to Thunderbird. Hence, I use Thunderbird because I need to connect to several IMAP mail servers and only want to to use one email client. HTH, Bill Dianne Ackerman said the following on 3/25/2010 5:57 AM: Yes I do! Bill Haskett wrote: Do you use Thunderbird? Bill Dianne Ackerman said the following on 3/24/2010 12:30 PM: Does anyone have any idea why I would be getting the following error message bounced to me when I reply to a message on the list? To send a message to the list, I have to initiate the message, I can't seem to reply. Thanks. -Dianne The message's content type was not explicitly allowed ___ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Trouble sending reply emails
Thanks - this definitely explains it all to me! And this time I'm doing the Option-Format-Plain Text thing :) -Dianne Bill Haskett wrote: The problem with Thunderbird is that you can't, well, at least I can't, set it up to reply to the U2 list in text mode if you normally respond to email in auto detect mode. I've set everything up to auto detect except email I send to the U2 group. But, if I don't originate the email, i.e. I respond to U2 mail, I have to click on Options Format Plain Text Only before I click [Send], otherwise the email is rejected by the U2 list server. I make this mistake all the time and have found that, as with this issue, there are quite a few quirks in Thunderbird that irritate me. However, not as much as Outlook consuming all the resources on my client machine and not properly connecting to IMAP servers. I must say that Outlook's interface is much smoother than Thunderbirds but the connections to the mail server are disgraceful compared to Thunderbird. Hence, I use Thunderbird because I need to connect to several IMAP mail servers and only want to to use one email client. HTH, Bill Dianne Ackerman said the following on 3/25/2010 5:57 AM: Yes I do! Bill Haskett wrote: Do you use Thunderbird? Bill Dianne Ackerman said the following on 3/24/2010 12:30 PM: Does anyone have any idea why I would be getting the following error message bounced to me when I reply to a message on the list? To send a message to the list, I have to initiate the message, I can't seem to reply. Thanks. -Dianne The message's content type was not explicitly allowed ___ ___ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] CPU Spikes to 100%
Doesn't UV have a service/daemon that cleans these up, like UniData? Bill Brian Leach said the following on 3/25/2010 6:19 AM: Usually because a client has closed their terminal emulator without disconnecting nicely. The process loops attempting to read from the socket. No remedy but to kill the process. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Curt Stewart Sent: 25 March 2010 9:46 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: [U2] CPU Spikes to 100% The environment is a virtualized Windows 2003 Server and Universe 10.2.10 On occasion, I’ve been notified twice, it may have occurred more often, a Universe process (tl_server.exe) will consume 100% of the CPU. When this happens, support is automatically notified and they need an explanation. As far as the application goes, there is only one background job and all other jobs would execute immediately. I was last notified when it occurred at 2:20am on the 3rd and then again apparently this week. There are some users based in India that could be using the system at the time these occur, but I have not been able to make a connection to a user process yet. Doe's anyone have any ideas why this might be happening or suggestions on how to identify what ever is causing the spike? Is there a Universe log that might be able to give me a clue? Thanks for any suggestions. Curt Stewart TRI-SYS Consulting Integrated Multi-Value Business Solutions ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Trouble sending reply emails
Well that explains why you seem to be replying to yourself all of the time ;) and I thought talking to myself was bad Colin -Original Message- From: Bill Haskett The problem with Thunderbird is that you can't, well, at least I can't, set it up to reply to the U2 list in text mode if you normally respond to email in auto detect mode. I've set everything up to auto detect except email I send to the U2 group. But, if I don't originate the email, i.e. I respond to U2 mail, I have to click on Options Format Plain Text Only before I click [Send], otherwise the email is rejected by the U2 list server. I make this mistake all the time and have found that, as with this issue, there are quite a few quirks in Thunderbird that irritate me. However, not as much as Outlook consuming all the resources on my client machine and not properly connecting to IMAP servers. I must say that Outlook's interface is much smoother than Thunderbirds but the connections to the mail server are disgraceful compared to Thunderbird. Hence, I use Thunderbird because I need to connect to several IMAP mail servers and only want to to use one email client. HTH, Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] CPU Spikes to 100%
Not disconnected sessions. Just locks. However, UniAdmin has a configurable keepalive facility. Check it out. LeRoy Sent from my iPhone 3Gs On 25 Mar 2010, at 7:11 PM, Bill Haskett wphask...@advantos.net wrote: Doesn't UV have a service/daemon that cleans these up, like UniData? Bill --- - Brian Leach said the following on 3/25/2010 6:19 AM: Usually because a client has closed their terminal emulator without disconnecting nicely. The process loops attempting to read from the socket. No remedy but to kill the process. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Curt Stewart Sent: 25 March 2010 9:46 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: [U2] CPU Spikes to 100% The environment is a virtualized Windows 2003 Server and Universe 10.2.10 On occasion, I’ve been notified twice, it may have occurred more o ften, a Universe process (tl_server.exe) will consume 100% of the CPU. When this happens, support is automatically notified and they need an explanation. As far as the application goes, there is only one background job and all other jobs would execute immediately. I was last notified when it occurred at 2:20am on the 3rd and then again apparently this week. There are some users based in India that could be using the system at the time these occur, but I have not been able to make a connection to a user process yet. Doe's anyone have any ideas why this might be happening or suggestions on how to identify what ever is causing the spike? Is there a Universe log that might be able to give me a clue? Thanks for any suggestions. Curt Stewart TRI-SYS Consulting Integrated Multi-Value Business Solutions ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users To read FRSTIA’s disclaimer for the e-mail go to http://www.frstia.co.za/ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] U2 Users Group - UniData LOG file placement requests
Here is what I collected from postings regarding UniData log and error log placement. Feel free to forward anything I missed. Note - some of the comments strayed into application architecture and log level determination and reporting - beyond the original discussion of log placement. If we make log location configurable, we will have to think thru things like: - Are these udtconfig settings that are fixed for all users until the UniData daemons are stopped and restarted? - Are these environment variable settings that could vary per user session? (I don't think so). - What happens to one set of logs when the settings are changed and startud is run? Do we remember the old location and migrate the saved_logs to the new location? I'm sure there are many more. Additional comments welcomed, Regards Wally My original posting on 3/15/10 (responding to a general comment): I would be happy to entertain (and formally register) a detailed, coherent proposal for logs, error logs, diagnostic logs - location and management. Do you still want the saved_logs directory concept? (20 or configurable? Iterations saved) What happens at 'startud'? Anything happen at 'stopud'? Is the trunclog command useful? Should the detailed UniBasic run-time error message logging provided by 7.2.0 /usr/ud72/include/msglevelconfig be placed separate from udt.errlog? Should RFS have a separate log for error messages? Should RFS Archiving - have a separate log for offload messages? Client/server debug logs are inconsistent in configuration and activation. What would you propose in this area? Locations must be discoverable by tools that collect information for diagnostics (such as udtdiag). What else am I missing? Whereas I am constantly requesting more usable content of the messages, can we just focus on the overall architecture for this specific proposal? This would be something to be considered by PM for UniData.NEXT and prioritized with the rest of the enhancements. Other venues for proposals such as this are u2-users better and better forum and the UniData CAB (just recently formed by PM). From Dan McGrath on 3/15/10: Location, if fixed: $UDTHOME/log[s]/server/ $UDTHOME/log[s]/client/ This allows client and server logging to be on separate mount points if the admin desires, without needing the configuration options If configurable, just make the parameter a path relative to $UDTHOME Saved_logs: Yes. Saved_logs is the right concept. Having it either in the log[s] directory or configurable relative to $UDTHOME would be an acceptable option. Trunclog: I do believe it is useful. We have at least 1 application here that would have benefitted from this command. One caveat, however. Having the possibility of log data being lost is not acceptable in a production environment. Maybe instead of 'trunclog' a 'SwitchOutLog' would be better. This would instead to processes that are logging to close there current log file, move it out to the saved_logs directory and open a new one. A slightly more complex solution of writing to a temporary log file while the trunclog/switchoutlog was in process would prevent data loss without causing a system to pause while the logs are processed. RFS: Having RFS logging separate would make any automation of monitoring them easier to tune. If something is considered a separate sub-system, it should either have its own log file, or the log file contents should be structured in a manner where the particular sub-system in question can be found in a consistent manner/location. I cannot really speak about RFS logging however, as we are not running it so I have no idea of the volume of logging data being generated. This isn't a detailed proposal (or perhaps even coherent), as I'm not sure work would be happy with me doing it on the clock, but it is some general ideas on the architecture. From Steve Romanow on 3/16/10: Nothing prevents us from using syslog right? Ive been thinking about logging a lot lately. Specifically, syslog-ng or rsyslog. Any unix db should log to syslog. From Bill Haskett on 3/16/10: What's wrong with syslog? We use Windows. I don't have a problem with UD logging to the event log, but many applications log to their own standard area. UD logging needs to be configured, so having that in the same area would be nice too. cross-platform? I suspect, all U2 logging should configure in one location/directory and write to one location/directory. Every logging needs archiving and I understand @UDTHOME/bin/saved_logs does that, although @UDTHOME/logs/saved_logs would be a better location. It could be nice to have a structure like: @UDTHOME + config + logs + saved_logs ...and one could have an environment variable names @UDTCONF and @UDTLOGS where one could offload these directories somewhere else. From Susan Lynch on 3/16/10: Just because I have not
Re: [U2] CPU Spikes to 100%
Right. I use that in all our UniData installations. Bill Leroy Dreyfuss said the following on 3/25/2010 12:01 PM: Not disconnected sessions. Just locks. However, UniAdmin has a configurable keepalive facility. Check it out. LeRoy Sent from my iPhone 3Gs On 25 Mar 2010, at 7:11 PM, Bill Haskett wphask...@advantos.net wrote: Doesn't UV have a service/daemon that cleans these up, like UniData? Bill --- - Brian Leach said the following on 3/25/2010 6:19 AM: Usually because a client has closed their terminal emulator without disconnecting nicely. The process loops attempting to read from the socket. No remedy but to kill the process. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Curt Stewart Sent: 25 March 2010 9:46 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: [U2] CPU Spikes to 100% The environment is a virtualized Windows 2003 Server and Universe 10.2.10 On occasion, I’ve been notified twice, it may have occurred more o ften, a Universe process (tl_server.exe) will consume 100% of the CPU. When this happens, support is automatically notified and they need an explanation. As far as the application goes, there is only one background job and all other jobs would execute immediately. I was last notified when it occurred at 2:20am on the 3rd and then again apparently this week. There are some users based in India that could be using the system at the time these occur, but I have not been able to make a connection to a user process yet. Doe's anyone have any ideas why this might be happening or suggestions on how to identify what ever is causing the spike? Is there a Universe log that might be able to give me a clue? Thanks for any suggestions. Curt Stewart TRI-SYS Consulting Integrated Multi-Value Business Solutions ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users To read FRSTIA’s disclaimer for the e-mail go to http://www.frstia.co.za/ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe
In message 031801cacc3b$feb964a0$fc2c2d...@com, Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com writes Just a different way of doing it i suppose - i do have separate sub directories but they are under the dev account and not under say BP Just a little point - bearing in mind I've never used genuine Pick but I think Larry et al are describing *TYPICAL* Pick usage. You couldn't do that on Pr1me so anybody (like me) only used to the Pr1me approach this would seem strange. We had three (actually four) main program directories on our system, called CBP, GBP and RBP. But on a Pick system they would typically have been defined as subfiles of BP, eg BP,COL BP,GEN and BP,REM. Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Larry Hiscock Sent: 25 March 2010 16:23 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe Really? We have more than 20 subdirectories in our program directory. Each of them is defined as a DIR in Unidata, but at the Unix level (and convcode is a system-level command, not a Unidata verb) each is simply a sub-directory of the source directory. Larry Hiscock Western Computer Services -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 5:35 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe Probably because you would never have subdirectories in your program directory. snip ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Anthony W. Youngman pi...@thewolery.demon.co.uk 'Yings, yow graley yin! Suz ae rikt dheu,' said the blue man, taking the thimble. 'What *is* he?' said Magrat. 'They're gnomes,' said Nanny. The man lowered the thimble. 'Pictsies!' Carpe Jugulum, Terry Pratchett 1998 Visit the MaVerick web-site - http://www.maverick-dbms.org Open Source Pick ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe
Actually, you COULD do this on the Pr1me. Our application was migrated to Unidata from Pr1me Information. We always kept program sub-directories segregated by application (e.g. AR, AP, GL, etc). --Larry -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Anthony W. Youngman Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 3:08 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe In message 031801cacc3b$feb964a0$fc2c2d...@com, Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com writes Just a different way of doing it i suppose - i do have separate sub directories but they are under the dev account and not under say BP Just a little point - bearing in mind I've never used genuine Pick but I think Larry et al are describing *TYPICAL* Pick usage. You couldn't do that on Pr1me so anybody (like me) only used to the Pr1me approach this would seem strange. We had three (actually four) main program directories on our system, called CBP, GBP and RBP. But on a Pick system they would typically have been defined as subfiles of BP, eg BP,COL BP,GEN and BP,REM. Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Larry Hiscock Sent: 25 March 2010 16:23 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe Really? We have more than 20 subdirectories in our program directory. Each of them is defined as a DIR in Unidata, but at the Unix level (and convcode is a system-level command, not a Unidata verb) each is simply a sub-directory of the source directory. Larry Hiscock Western Computer Services -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 5:35 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe Probably because you would never have subdirectories in your program directory. snip ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Anthony W. Youngman pi...@thewolery.demon.co.uk 'Yings, yow graley yin! Suz ae rikt dheu,' said the blue man, taking the thimble. 'What *is* he?' said Magrat. 'They're gnomes,' said Nanny. The man lowered the thimble. 'Pictsies!' Carpe Jugulum, Terry Pratchett 1998 Visit the MaVerick web-site - http://www.maverick-dbms.org Open Source Pick ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Not Consistent Failure
In message snt141-w2040511e4ab89e0e961de1c2...@phx.gbl, Dan Fitzgerald dangf...@hotmail.com writes One thing you could do is to make that sleep like 30 seconds, find that pid, then use the AIX truss command against it while it's sleeping, and see what bombs. When they drop to AIX, are they in the directory specified in /etc/passwd, or somewhere else? And how are you invoking UV? From the local .profile? And are you just running UV, then logging out from inside the .profile? What we did when running on nix (Pr1me RISCoS) was to 'exec' UV (or PI) from the .profile. That way, UV overwrites .profile in memory - a sort of chain - and when it quits the login session quits. At least that will (or should) stop your users dropping to nix - a login failure should simply dump them straight out of the system again. Cheers, Wol -- Anthony W. Youngman pi...@thewolery.demon.co.uk 'Yings, yow graley yin! Suz ae rikt dheu,' said the blue man, taking the thimble. 'What *is* he?' said Magrat. 'They're gnomes,' said Nanny. The man lowered the thimble. 'Pictsies!' Carpe Jugulum, Terry Pratchett 1998 Visit the MaVerick web-site - http://www.maverick-dbms.org Open Source Pick ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe
In message 00c201cacc68$af62e700$0e28b5...@com, Larry Hiscock lar...@wcs-corp.com writes Actually, you COULD do this on the Pr1me. Our application was migrated to Unidata from Pr1me Information. We always kept program sub-directories segregated by application (e.g. AR, AP, GL, etc). But I'm guessing you had *separate* VOC entries for AR, AP etc. At the OS level they were under one sub-directory but inside of PI they were separate FILEs. What I'm talking about - what I think Pick has - is where you have - at the *PICK* level, one BP FILE, and then loads of subfiles in it. Which is stored (by default) as one directory with sub-directories at the OS level. In other words, in PI you're talking about the OS level - nothing to with PI. In Pick you're actually IN PICK, it's nothing to do with the OS. --Larry Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Anthony W. Youngman Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 3:08 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe In message 031801cacc3b$feb964a0$fc2c2d...@com, Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com writes Just a different way of doing it i suppose - i do have separate sub directories but they are under the dev account and not under say BP Just a little point - bearing in mind I've never used genuine Pick but I think Larry et al are describing *TYPICAL* Pick usage. You couldn't do that on Pr1me so anybody (like me) only used to the Pr1me approach this would seem strange. We had three (actually four) main program directories on our system, called CBP, GBP and RBP. But on a Pick system they would typically have been defined as subfiles of BP, eg BP,COL BP,GEN and BP,REM. Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Larry Hiscock Sent: 25 March 2010 16:23 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe Really? We have more than 20 subdirectories in our program directory. Each of them is defined as a DIR in Unidata, but at the Unix level (and convcode is a system-level command, not a Unidata verb) each is simply a sub-directory of the source directory. Larry Hiscock Western Computer Services -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 5:35 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata Silly Gripe Probably because you would never have subdirectories in your program directory. snip ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Anthony W. Youngman pi...@thewolery.demon.co.uk 'Yings, yow graley yin! Suz ae rikt dheu,' said the blue man, taking the thimble. 'What *is* he?' said Magrat. 'They're gnomes,' said Nanny. The man lowered the thimble. 'Pictsies!' Carpe Jugulum, Terry Pratchett 1998 Visit the MaVerick web-site - http://www.maverick-dbms.org Open Source Pick ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
