Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
http://databases.about.com/od/sqlserver/a/mssql_editions.htm SQL Server 2008 Workgroup per processor (not per core) = $3899 That's unlimited client access. Where are the UniData licensing options that really compete with that for small business? (as you pointed out U2 on a single connection pool, single user is not really going to cut it) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Doug Sent: Sunday, 6 February 2011 10:44 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP? Hi Bill: Maybe there is a SQL Service license for 3,500. Maybe you can run U2 on a single connection pool with a single U2 user . We know that both statements are not true. The base software they purchased is 595.00 per user on SQL Server plus a multitude of other options. How much they forward to Microsoft for SQL Server I don't know. What I do know is they are using SQL version 2005. So they have limited maintenance on the database and have missed many releases, bug fixes, and security patches. And you need those on SQL Server. Because they were not running on our Web CRM and Distribution software for the last 3 years we lost maintenance and enhancement revenue, which we did not plow back into the product. So, it did have an impact. We had to fund that development internally. We spent hundreds of hours changing our interface to make it look relevant and new. We added additional options of skins. We spent countless hours improving our speed between Apache Tomcat and the client (browser). We added grid to grid drag and drop, so they can move data from one multi-value field to another. We added the ability to make different layouts of the grids such as 3 horizontal or 3 vertical. We added contextual menus to grids as well. These may not seem much but when we went in and demonstrated the software they had already seen years before, they did not recognized it. We got the oh wow factor and we closed the sale. As they say in the restaurant business: Presentation is everything. We need to learn that in the U2 world as well. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com Eclipse based tool developer for U2 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 2:48 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP? Doug: I believe what you're saying. You ought to believe many of us who point out that we're familiar with partners and competitors who put their enterprise .NET applications for small businesses on an SQL Server machine with a single CPU license for $3,500. They run the application on an IIS server and pay nothing for connectivity because it's all part of the MS framework. Clearly this is a different scenario from you and has a serious impact on smaller businesses attempting to host their application, although it appears to have no impact on your business. Bill Doug said the following on 2/4/2011 3:49 PM: HI Bill: We are replacing a CRM and Distribution system running on Microsoft SQL Server that cost 10 times what Unidata does. The irony of this replacement is they are still running Unidata and could never get this software to running the way their current system does after 3 years. We are migrating them to the Web using our U2WebLink middleware in just 2 months. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 2:07 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP? Doug: Let me point out an alternative perspective. An ISV's job is to sell our applications. If we can't compete in our business marketplaces, we need to make adjustments or look at alternatives. Competition mostly means we need to offer a product that benefits our customers at a price that is usually less than our competitors. From my perspective, your statement that you pay much higher rates for Oracle and Microsoft databases doesn't apply to my experiences. In fact, a number of our competitors use Microsoft technology and have much lower deployment costs in the small business environment than we do. I'm only saying my experiences differ from yours on this point, which is critical to our business. Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ This email has been scanned by the
Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
From: Doug Here what you do in your PHP code and really it is that easy: // Load Include and open session in Apache Tomcat: ?php require_once(java/Java.inc); [snip great example] With respect and appreciation for the solutions presented, if you have any interest in using U2 with other languages, consider that so far the solutions for python, Java, and PHP are completely different. This is why I created the standardized API mentioned earlier. A standardized API makes code in all languages look the same. This allows anyone familiar with the API to be helpful to other developers regardless of the target language. It allows anyone familiar with the API to transfer their skills quickly to another language. It abstracts out the communications tier, so that application code doesn't need to be bothered with How data is exchanged with a back-end server, it just is. And it allows us to write code which can be used for multiple MV platforms - something important to those of us who need it, and for anyone who thinks a migration could be in their future. So as we see these great examples of solutions created by individuals, generously provided here, just remember that we can (and IMO should) just have one way of doing it, in a consistent MV connectivity framework with any number of language bindings. When enough people get the itch for that elegance we can talk about what it will take to make this available for all of us to use. ( LOL We have SO many subthreads here that should all be in their own threads. This is far far from CallHTTP... ) Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog Visit PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP (and everything)?
I couldn't agree more Tony. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: Monday, 7 February 2011 9:02 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP? From: Doug Here what you do in your PHP code and really it is that easy: // Load Include and open session in Apache Tomcat: ?php require_once(java/Java.inc); [snip great example] With respect and appreciation for the solutions presented, if you have any interest in using U2 with other languages, consider that so far the solutions for python, Java, and PHP are completely different. This is why I created the standardized API mentioned earlier. A standardized API makes code in all languages look the same. This allows anyone familiar with the API to be helpful to other developers regardless of the target language. It allows anyone familiar with the API to transfer their skills quickly to another language. It abstracts out the communications tier, so that application code doesn't need to be bothered with How data is exchanged with a back-end server, it just is. And it allows us to write code which can be used for multiple MV platforms - something important to those of us who need it, and for anyone who thinks a migration could be in their future. So as we see these great examples of solutions created by individuals, generously provided here, just remember that we can (and IMO should) just have one way of doing it, in a consistent MV connectivity framework with any number of language bindings. When enough people get the itch for that elegance we can talk about what it will take to make this available for all of us to use. ( LOL We have SO many subthreads here that should all be in their own threads. This is far far from CallHTTP... ) Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog Visit PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ### The information transmitted in this message and attachments (if any) is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. The message may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. The intended recipient of this e-mail may only use, reproduce, disclose or distribute the information contained in this e-mail and any attached files with the permission of IMB. ### ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] PickWiki
I seem to recall a while ago that there were plans to upgrade PickWiki to utilise MediaWiki. What ended up happening? Was the idea scrapped? (Question spurred from Tony's sig) ### The information transmitted in this message and attachments (if any) is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. The message may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. The intended recipient of this e-mail may only use, reproduce, disclose or distribute the information contained in this e-mail and any attached files with the permission of IMB. ### ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
In a message dated 2/6/2011 2:02:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, 3xk547...@sneakemail.com writes: So as we see these great examples of solutions created by individuals, generously provided here, just remember that we can (and IMO should) just have one way of doing it, in a consistent MV connectivity framework with any number of language bindings. When enough people get the itch for that elegance we can talk about what it will take to make this available for all of us to use. I just don't think Tony, the store will come to you. We need a dozen more salespeople with fire in their eyes for the Pick/MV world. And I'll hire one. W ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Pick Salespeople was... something else
I am not a salesperson. I can be technical sales support however. I can convince the customer how wonderful *this* system is, but for some reason I'm not a closer. Anyone looking to hire someone like me? Or should I be now looking for a partner who can get out and sell *me* to some new businesses who need a system? New businesses start up all the time, they have to invoice at some point. That means they need software, or eventually will. They can't all be using QuickBooks. I know there are solutions out there for Pick /MV that need installers and support and so on. How come I don't get more cold calls? I think I've gotten one in the past two years for a Pick related product. I've get at least a dozen a month to sell me other non-Pick related things. I keep getting my Spectrum so I know I'm on at least one mailing list. I think Cache or somebody actually sent me a free skateboard... who was that? I don't skate but what a promo gift! That's gotta cost some gold. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PickWiki
From: Dan McGrath I seem to recall a while ago that there were plans to upgrade PickWiki to utilise MediaWiki. What ended up happening? Was the idea scrapped? (Question spurred from Tony's sig) That's another community project that stalled, but this one was my fault. :) Ian McGowan still hosts the existing site. Rex Gozar, Ian, and I discussed and started the migration process, which then stalled in Jan/2010. See the prototype here: remove.thisNebula-RnD.com/mediawiki Where it says remove.this ... remove that part. That's not a new permanent home, that's just where I was staging the migration. Please don't update pages there, changes will be lost in the next conversion. Click the Random Page link to see various pages. From the Special Pages link you can find All Pages and more. Search for To Do to see what else needs to be done. MediaWiki is much better than the software being used now, and I still think this migration is a worthy project. The roadblock was converting from the current markup codes to MW-specific markup. We were doing this with BASIC, parsing documents and re-writing them in the new format, then importing them into MySQL. As you can see, most of the pages converted quite nicely. As with any programmatic language conversion however, there were some codes there were more difficult to convert than others, and lots of metadata needed to be generated from scratch. When pressed to generate income I put that project on hold, and there it now sits with a dozen other community projects just like it. If I can find some time (ha!) I'll try to publish code and notes on the live pickwiki.com so that others can help. This is a one-shot, and once all pages are migrated we don't need the code anymore. For as long as this has taken, it might have better to finish some of the document conversions manually. That said, considering the number of people who participate in community projects, I didn't think I could count on much human assistance for this one. Thanks for asking. T Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog Visit PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PickWiki
Error [39207] occurred on server. Possible client-side licensing failure. Make sure the LANG environment variable is set to C *both* where you startudt *and* where you run the UOJ code Oh U2 licensing... Refreshing it took me to a page that worked and it does look a heck of a lot friendlier/cleaner. remove.thisNebula-rnd.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=CodingStandards Regards, Dan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: Monday, 7 February 2011 3:21 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] PickWiki From: Dan McGrath I seem to recall a while ago that there were plans to upgrade PickWiki to utilise MediaWiki. What ended up happening? Was the idea scrapped? (Question spurred from Tony's sig) That's another community project that stalled, but this one was my fault. :) Ian McGowan still hosts the existing site. Rex Gozar, Ian, and I discussed and started the migration process, which then stalled in Jan/2010. See the prototype here: remove.thisNebula-RnD.com/mediawiki Where it says remove.this ... remove that part. That's not a new permanent home, that's just where I was staging the migration. Please don't update pages there, changes will be lost in the next conversion. Click the Random Page link to see various pages. From the Special Pages link you can find All Pages and more. Search for To Do to see what else needs to be done. MediaWiki is much better than the software being used now, and I still think this migration is a worthy project. The roadblock was converting from the current markup codes to MW-specific markup. We were doing this with BASIC, parsing documents and re-writing them in the new format, then importing them into MySQL. As you can see, most of the pages converted quite nicely. As with any programmatic language conversion however, there were some codes there were more difficult to convert than others, and lots of metadata needed to be generated from scratch. When pressed to generate income I put that project on hold, and there it now sits with a dozen other community projects just like it. If I can find some time (ha!) I'll try to publish code and notes on the live pickwiki.com so that others can help. This is a one-shot, and once all pages are migrated we don't need the code anymore. For as long as this has taken, it might have better to finish some of the document conversions manually. That said, considering the number of people who participate in community projects, I didn't think I could count on much human assistance for this one. Thanks for asking. T Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog Visit PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ### The information transmitted in this message and attachments (if any) is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. The message may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. The intended recipient of this e-mail may only use, reproduce, disclose or distribute the information contained in this e-mail and any attached files with the permission of IMB. ### ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PickWiki
It turns out to be at that threshold where it interferes with the day job. Setting up mediawiki isn't a big deal, but the conversion from the current format is a semi-manual process. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dan McGrath Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 2:10 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] PickWiki I seem to recall a while ago that there were plans to upgrade PickWiki to utilise MediaWiki. What ended up happening? Was the idea scrapped? (Question spurred from Tony's sig) ### The information transmitted in this message and attachments (if any) is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. The message may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. The intended recipient of this e-mail may only use, reproduce, disclose or distribute the information contained in this e-mail and any attached files with the permission of IMB. ### ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
