Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
Bill Eclipse is a pain, but at the moment it provides a base that works for windows and linux offerings. It is a standard base for Rocket tools including datavu, webservices, restful servives, EDA, etc. I support David's comments that rather than putting down products, we need to work with Rocket in how to improve the products. There are many opportunities for test tools and other development tools to be integrated with BDT that could help developers productivity. However Rocket will not invest in this product if we constantly put it down. It is also something as developers should look at how they manage source code. Maybe the source code that is to be edited should be taken out of a library and stored in a development spot which would have a local directory. Whilst there is still work to go on BDT, it is an evolving product and something that makes U2 look more professional something that the community has had to battle with in the eyes of management and consultants Regards David Jordan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: Sunday, 11 March 2012 5:32 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Thanks, Doug. Not much of a tool, especially when you have to download and install all the junk that goes with it! :-( Bill - Original Message - *From:* dave...@gmail.com *To:* U2 Users List *Date:* 3/10/2012 9:55 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] New U2 BDT > Hi Bill: > > After testing BDT, I'm wrong. BDT does recognize environment variables. > However, you cannot open or edit any files that are not "DIR" files. > So you are trying to edit an LD file and it does not let you. > > I figured this out when our editor allowed editing of those files. So > there really is not a bug but a BDT feature. > > Regards, > Doug > www.u2logic.com > "XLr8Editor the other Eclipse editor" > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
Thanks, Doug. Not much of a tool, especially when you have to download and install all the junk that goes with it! :-( Bill - Original Message - *From:* dave...@gmail.com *To:* U2 Users List *Date:* 3/10/2012 9:55 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Hi Bill: After testing BDT, I'm wrong. BDT does recognize environment variables. However, you cannot open or edit any files that are not "DIR" files. So you are trying to edit an LD file and it does not let you. I figured this out when our editor allowed editing of those files. So there really is not a bug but a BDT feature. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com "XLr8Editor the other Eclipse editor" ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
Hi Bill: After testing BDT, I'm wrong. BDT does recognize environment variables. However, you cannot open or edit any files that are not "DIR" files. So you are trying to edit an LD file and it does not let you. I figured this out when our editor allowed editing of those files. So there really is not a bug but a BDT feature. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com "XLr8Editor the other Eclipse editor" ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
You should at least raise a case to Rocket about this -- they fix problems
based on issues from customers --But to my knowledge, they NEVER address
'forum based' issues as they don't have an 'eCase number'!
Once you've raised the case and gotten an eCase number, post that
information so that other similarly situated can ALSO log a case and refer
to YOUR eCase -- the more people that have the same issue, the sooner and
more likely it gets addressed. People trying, giving up and then skulking
back into darkness has the side effect of leaving the issue broken with
Rocket possibly not aware of the impact of the break-- Unreported issues do
not help raise the quality level...
I've never felt that U2 ignored issues that rendered the product 'unusable'
- those are usually pretty high up the list -- especially a high-profile
tool like BDT -- they've been trumpeting that thing. NOW -- they may
'document' the shortcoming -- but at that point, it becomes the 'omission of
a feature -- not a bug' Heheh
SO, for the good of humanity (at least, the U2 subset of humanity) -- log
this as an issue before you move back to WED -- and everyone else similarly
situated, do the same.
(off box... back to work)
DW
-Original Message-
From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 11:59 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
Thanks Doug.
Just another product that forces me to dance to their tune rather than
letting me work in the most efficient manner that 20 years of experience has
taught me. Yes, they're much smarter and better than me.
But then, my daughter informs me just how stupid I am on a daily basis! :-)
So, I guess WED is my editor of choice. After all the crap I'm forced to
download and install, one would think simple editing functions would work.
I guess not. [sigh]
Bill
- Original Message -
*From:* dave...@gmail.com
*To:* U2 Users List
*Date:* 3/9/2012 6:11 PM
*Subject:* Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
> Hi Bill:
>
> BDT uses UOJ for connection which does not support environmental
variables.
> You would have to shell out to get them and convert the files
> manually. I looked in the manuals and did not find an alternative.
>
> BDT does not have a keep alive. The default for a UOJ session is an hour.
> If you do not do anything in that hour you have to reconnect again.
> BDT's advance settings do not allow you to change the default even
> though UOJ supports changing this parameter.
>
> Regards,
> Doug
> www.u2logic.com
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Bill Haskett
wrote:
>
>> I installed the new U2 BDT (Basic Developer's Toolkit) and attempted
>> to use it. In the U2 resource tab (after I created a server
>> connection) one gets a list of accounts. Drilling in one gets a list
>> of files. These include links ('Q'-files). When I click on one of
>> the program links I get the message:
>>
>> "Could not get contents of directory
>> "E:\UDAccounts\Dev\@ABO_SYS\**BP" on server "devserver". Error message:
Unable to find the directory."
>>
>> Ok, the file link I'm accessing looks like:
>>
>> 7 Dev (0)-> AE VOC ABOBP
>> Top of "ABOBP" in "VOC", 3 lines, 28 characters.
>> *--: P
>> 001: LD
>> 002: @ABO_SYS\BP
>> 003: @ABO_SYS\D_BP
>> Bottom.
>>
>> ...so it appears the tool is appending the file path onto the VOC
>> information. Unfortunately, in UD on Windows we use environment
>> variables, so the reference "@ABO_SYS" is a defined environment
>> variable path. It appears, therefore, that one cannot reference programs
and data from links.
>> Secondly, there doesn't seem to be any timeout manager (or
>> keepalive
>> setting) because my RPC times-out because I've set it to do so.
>>
>> I guess this alone makes use of this tool problematic for me. Can
>> anyone inform me that I'm mistaken and simply have to make a few
>> settings to overcome these basic impediments? I guess I just have to go
back to WED.
>> :-(
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --
>>
>> Bill Haskett
>>
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Re: [U2] Calling U2UG Members
As a board member for the past four years and one who is standing for Vice President I will respond. The user group is for all the members of the U2 community whether they are Rocket employees, end users, ISVs, consultants, Distributors or anyone else. The user group has a number of principles or aims but, to be honest, it is not really fulfilling any of them very well currently and that needs to change. A major problem is lack of resource, the board meet for an hour every other week, everyone is busy, things take a long time to happen and that needs to be addressed. I believe that it can only change by working with other organisations in the U2 space whether that be Rocket, Distributors, ISVs or whoever else. The group needs to find a role that is complementary to the other parts of the community but not beholden to any one of them, including Rocket, but our aims are the same, we are all interested in the success of U2. Rocket are supportive of U2UG but aside from this list, which technically is not part of the user group, and the website there is little to support and that needs to change. I feel that the most powerful role the group can take is to facilitate a community not just for the exchange of technical information but also for commercial details. For example how many people really understand the case to be put forwards commercially and technically to support the use of U2? We need to work with the people who have that information and get it into the community. The provision of information on where to find things like training and consultancy, information on who uses U2 and what they use it for, these are all things that I believe that the U2 community would benefit from but to unlock that we need to work with the people who have the information. It is hard because I'm not sure many people think about what they want from the group, to a certain extent the board needs to lead by action and see what take up we get. Any ideas on what people think the group should do would be very welcome. I hope people will vote and obviously I hope they will vote for me! But whoever you vote for please be free with your comments on the direction the group should take, with a new President in David Jordan we have an opportunity to review the direction and I'm sure I speak for the whole of the board when I say that we would welcome any comment or debate on what that direction should be. George Land (And apologies if you get this twice, my first sending of it seems not to have made it) On 09/03/2012 17:12, "Daniel McGrath" wrote: > Hi Brian/U2UG, > > Now that I work for Rocket, I'm not sure if I should still vote. Thoughts? > > If I can, I'd like to reiterate the questions I posed this time last year > before I do vote. > > " Hi all, > > I've posted an open letter regarding the U2UG elections to the nominees. I'd > love to see more dialogue around these elections as I feel I don't really > know what I'm voting for when I place my votes. > > http://u2tech.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/u2ug-elections-2011/ > > Along with this, I also wonder how many people on this list are members of > the U2UG and how many actually vote? I've never seen any numbers. I know I'm > one of two out of the roughly 20 U2 people at my work who know of the U2UG > and am the only member. Not the greatest odds. On the positive side, it > leaves a lot of room to expand. :) > > Regards, > Dan" > > > -Original Message- > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org > [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brian Leach > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 3:56 AM > To: 'U2 Users List' > Subject: [U2] Calling U2UG Members > > All, > > > > To those of you who are U2UG members (and if not, why not?) - a reminder that > the elections for the 2012-13 board are under way. If you didn't receive an > email about this, please (please) check your profile on the website - I've had > a lot of bounces because email addresses are out of date. > > > > All U2UG members are eligible to vote, just cast your vote by logging in at: > www.u2ug.net and selecting the U2UG Elections link between now and next > Wednesday. > > > > If you don't see the link, you haven't confirmed your registration. > > > > Why does this matter? > > > The U2UG is the recognized body for representing all users of U2 products - > whether end users, developers or ISVs. The board meets fortnightly with Rocket > to discuss concerns and future plans for U2 and to represent the views of the > whole user community. > > > > > Thanks all, > > > > Brian > > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing li
