RE: [U2] list vs. email {Unclassified}
It's not only to inhibit Suzy in accounting from wasting time, and it's not only the PHBs [who] will not allow the users to surf the net. Having your desktop PC able to access the internet means that it's accessible from the internet too, at least to some hopefully small degree of risk. My employer requires that PCs which are connected to the Internet be on a separate physical network to all our 'work' PCs. The only exceptions are specified gateway servers, e.g. the external email gateway, which are firewalled to death and heavily protected from intrusion. Our internet web sites are not hosted on our internal network. So to access a web-based forum, I need an 'Internet PC', the nearest of which is down the corridor a bit. So I wouldn't be bothered, I only go to an 'Internet PC' for a specific purpose. Like Jerry said, changing this to a forum would also change me from a participant to an observer. Oh, and Happy New Year! :-) Regards Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MAJ Programming Sent: Friday, 4 January 2008 6:52 p.m. To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] list vs. email [snip] overall corporate policies meant to inhibit Suzy in accounting from wasting time. My 1 cent Mark Johnson - Original Message - From: Jerry Banker [EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] the PHB's will not allow the users to surf the net [snip] in that case I would be an observer and not a participant. [snip] Jerry Banker The information contained in this Internet Email message is intended for the addressee only and may contain privileged information, but not necessarily the official views or opinions of the New Zealand Defence Force. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy or distribute this message or the information in it. If you have received this message in error, please Email or telephone the sender immediately. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] list vs. email
If they can block hotmail, yahoo and myspace, then they can allow www.rainingdata.com and www.ibm.com. The barriers people present aren't technical, but overall corporate policies meant to inhibit Suzy in accounting from wasting time. My 1 cent Mark Johnson - Original Message - From: Jerry Banker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:27 AM Subject: [U2] list vs. email Maybe you didn't get my last message. It doesn't matter around here if a forum is better or not, the PHB's will not allow the users to surf the net even to get email. At one time I was registered on this list as my personal hotmail account but I had to stop using it because they blocked access to hotmail. I also have accounts at yahoo and my space but those are or were blocked so I have to use my business email account to keep from having it blocked. The only other way would be to only look at the questions and responses from home afterhours; in that case I would be an observer and not a participant. Personally I like to think on occasion I have helped someone on this list instead of just gathering the knowledge of these fine people without giving anything back. Jerry Banker Sr Programmer Analyst Affiliated Acceptance Corp Sunrise Beach, MO 1-800-233-8483 www.affiliated.org -Original Message- From: Symeon Breen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:00 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] testing I donbt understand how reading a forum is any different to reading an email ?? - except that the date/time order is always correct and it does not clog your mail, and you get dozens of forum style benefits which of course you do not have to take as it then implies spending time on that darn web thing ? - Infact it takes me longer with the email list as I have to do my own housekeeping and setup my mail client to place all the mails in a separate folder and then go through and delete the emails etc. On a forum I just go to it, look at what has changed since I last logged in and come away again all happy and relaxed. The reason why we all use the list is because everyone is on here, I use the forum as well but no one is on there so it is pointless. The point is if we all used a forum (the existing one or a new one) we would get certain things that people complain about fixed like the time lag - which gets me on virtually every post. Rgds Symeon. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony W. Youngman Sent: 30 December 2007 23:34 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] testing In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill Haskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Wol: I just don't get this attitude. Why is it necessary to pick up our toys and go home? To say, if you don't do things my way I'm quitting the team? There are too many postings that forswear any solution that doesn't result in a complicated mess of things. I don't use forums. I read this mailing list in my spare time, or snatch moments at work. I find forums time-consuming, and a pain, and I have better things to do with my time (like working :-) At the end of the day, all too often I find that the web is a solution in search of a problem. It's the wrong tool for many jobs, and imho this is one of those situations. I rest my case with the fact that other people have pointed out - there ARE fora out there, including those on u2ug. Why are the fora unused while the mailing list carries on regardless? I put it to you - the reason is that most people worth listening to prefer a mailing list. Cheers, Wol -- Anthony W. Youngman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'Yings, yow graley yin! Suz ae rikt dheu,' said the blue man, taking the thimble. 'What *is* he?' said Magrat. 'They're gnomes,' said Nanny. The man lowered the thimble. 'Pictsies!' Carpe Jugulum, Terry Pratchett 1998 Visit the MaVerick web-site - http://www.maverick-dbms.org Open Source Pick --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] list vs. email
Maybe you didn't get my last message. It doesn't matter around here if a forum is better or not, the PHB's will not allow the users to surf the net even to get email. At one time I was registered on this list as my personal hotmail account but I had to stop using it because they blocked access to hotmail. I also have accounts at yahoo and my space but those are or were blocked so I have to use my business email account to keep from having it blocked. The only other way would be to only look at the questions and responses from home afterhours; in that case I would be an observer and not a participant. Personally I like to think on occasion I have helped someone on this list instead of just gathering the knowledge of these fine people without giving anything back. Jerry Banker Sr Programmer Analyst Affiliated Acceptance Corp Sunrise Beach, MO 1-800-233-8483 www.affiliated.org -Original Message- From: Symeon Breen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:00 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] testing I donbt understand how reading a forum is any different to reading an email ?? - except that the date/time order is always correct and it does not clog your mail, and you get dozens of forum style benefits which of course you do not have to take as it then implies spending time on that darn web thing ? - Infact it takes me longer with the email list as I have to do my own housekeeping and setup my mail client to place all the mails in a separate folder and then go through and delete the emails etc. On a forum I just go to it, look at what has changed since I last logged in and come away again all happy and relaxed. The reason why we all use the list is because everyone is on here, I use the forum as well but no one is on there so it is pointless. The point is if we all used a forum (the existing one or a new one) we would get certain things that people complain about fixed like the time lag - which gets me on virtually every post. Rgds Symeon. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony W. Youngman Sent: 30 December 2007 23:34 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] testing In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill Haskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Wol: I just don't get this attitude. Why is it necessary to pick up our toys and go home? To say, if you don't do things my way I'm quitting the team? There are too many postings that forswear any solution that doesn't result in a complicated mess of things. I don't use forums. I read this mailing list in my spare time, or snatch moments at work. I find forums time-consuming, and a pain, and I have better things to do with my time (like working :-) At the end of the day, all too often I find that the web is a solution in search of a problem. It's the wrong tool for many jobs, and imho this is one of those situations. I rest my case with the fact that other people have pointed out - there ARE fora out there, including those on u2ug. Why are the fora unused while the mailing list carries on regardless? I put it to you - the reason is that most people worth listening to prefer a mailing list. Cheers, Wol -- Anthony W. Youngman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'Yings, yow graley yin! Suz ae rikt dheu,' said the blue man, taking the thimble. 'What *is* he?' said Magrat. 'They're gnomes,' said Nanny. The man lowered the thimble. 'Pictsies!' Carpe Jugulum, Terry Pratchett 1998 Visit the MaVerick web-site - http://www.maverick-dbms.org Open Source Pick --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] list vs. email
Hi Jerry - I get that (I was actually replying to WOL in the quote below) - It must be very difficult for you to have limited web access within the office. I for one NEED such access in order to do my job - log calls on the ibm web site, download os patches etc. Your comments on here are most welcome and I am quite sure you have helped many people out over the years. Rgds Symeon. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Banker Sent: 02 January 2008 15:27 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] list vs. email Maybe you didn't get my last message. It doesn't matter around here if a forum is better or not, the PHB's will not allow the users to surf the net even to get email. At one time I was registered on this list as my personal hotmail account but I had to stop using it because they blocked access to hotmail. I also have accounts at yahoo and my space but those are or were blocked so I have to use my business email account to keep from having it blocked. The only other way would be to only look at the questions and responses from home afterhours; in that case I would be an observer and not a participant. Personally I like to think on occasion I have helped someone on this list instead of just gathering the knowledge of these fine people without giving anything back. Jerry Banker Sr Programmer Analyst Affiliated Acceptance Corp Sunrise Beach, MO 1-800-233-8483 www.affiliated.org -Original Message- From: Symeon Breen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:00 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] testing I donbt understand how reading a forum is any different to reading an email ?? - except that the date/time order is always correct and it does not clog your mail, and you get dozens of forum style benefits which of course you do not have to take as it then implies spending time on that darn web thing ? - Infact it takes me longer with the email list as I have to do my own housekeeping and setup my mail client to place all the mails in a separate folder and then go through and delete the emails etc. On a forum I just go to it, look at what has changed since I last logged in and come away again all happy and relaxed. The reason why we all use the list is because everyone is on here, I use the forum as well but no one is on there so it is pointless. The point is if we all used a forum (the existing one or a new one) we would get certain things that people complain about fixed like the time lag - which gets me on virtually every post. Rgds Symeon. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony W. Youngman Sent: 30 December 2007 23:34 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] testing In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill Haskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Wol: I just don't get this attitude. Why is it necessary to pick up our toys and go home? To say, if you don't do things my way I'm quitting the team? There are too many postings that forswear any solution that doesn't result in a complicated mess of things. I don't use forums. I read this mailing list in my spare time, or snatch moments at work. I find forums time-consuming, and a pain, and I have better things to do with my time (like working :-) At the end of the day, all too often I find that the web is a solution in search of a problem. It's the wrong tool for many jobs, and imho this is one of those situations. I rest my case with the fact that other people have pointed out - there ARE fora out there, including those on u2ug. Why are the fora unused while the mailing list carries on regardless? I put it to you - the reason is that most people worth listening to prefer a mailing list. Cheers, Wol -- Anthony W. Youngman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'Yings, yow graley yin! Suz ae rikt dheu,' said the blue man, taking the thimble. 'What *is* he?' said Magrat. 'They're gnomes,' said Nanny. The man lowered the thimble. 'Pictsies!' Carpe Jugulum, Terry Pratchett 1998 Visit the MaVerick web-site - http://www.maverick-dbms.org Open Source Pick --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
