RE: [U2] spammed
gerry wrote: imo - the solution to this problem is simple - the posters email address should not be included in the distributed postings. i know the list address , the list address knows my address and nobody else knows anything. From: Glen B Something else to consider, is the presence of your e-mail in cross-posting on lists/newsgroups and web forums. Spiders can pull e-mail addresses from just about anything now-a-days. Part of the problem is when you post to a forum and then someone replies to your note, and their e-mail client puts in: From: persons name [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can't stop someone else from inserting your live mail like this, which then gets put into the web archive and becomes visible to the world. (BTW, Glen's comment about using a dynamically generated image to challenge people on a web site can be applied to the forum archive to help with this problem.) People should be dilligent about not posting other people's e-mail addresses, but in the real world people don't think about this until They get spam or a virus. The only way to stop your e-mail addresses from getting published is simply to not use your real e-mail addresses for anything except direct correspondence. With the exception of this list, which was simply an error on my part, I use http://sneakemail.com for creating disposable e-mail addresses for forums and other untrustworthy sources, and I strongly encourage others to use this service as well. Basic service is absolutely free. Extended service is only $2/month. Please feel free to send me mail to ask about this service if you have any questions. Regards, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] (And please don't publish my addresses in your responses!) --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] spammed
Hi Tony , all i can say is , well - no. you are being very naive on this subject. don't blame this on replies to the list. you post your address yourself everytime you post to this list just like the one i am replying to - take a look at the From: header. this is where the replying mail reader gets its info from, this is also where spammers get their info from - they do not wait to harvest from replies. imo , all mail sent from this list to subscribers should have no other address than the list address itself. the 'friendly' name in the address can be set to reflect the poster's friendly name, but that has nothing to do with the originating email address. real address or not , the same problem still exists as long as the list sends out the originators email address with every post. I control my own mail server and can generate as many different email addresses as I want, just like the unique address i use for this list. but what good does it do now that the list has been infected ? i can drop that address and start using a new one which means I have to unsubscribe resubscribe to the list, but since the list is infected, the very next post will simply get the new address right back on the spammer list again !! gerry - Original Message - From: Tony Gravagno [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 03:05 am Subject: RE: [U2] spammed gerry wrote: imo - the solution to this problem is simple - the posters email address should not be included in the distributed postings. i know the list address , the list address knows my address and nobody else knows anything. From: Glen B Something else to consider, is the presence of your e-mail in cross-posting on lists/newsgroups and web forums. Spiders can pull e-mail addresses from just about anything now-a-days. Part of the problem is when you post to a forum and then someone replies to your note, and their e-mail client puts in: From: persons name [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can't stop someone else from inserting your live mail like this, which then gets put into the web archive and becomes visible to the world. (BTW, Glen's comment about using a dynamically generated image to challenge people on a web site can be applied to the forum archive to help with this problem.) People should be dilligent about not posting other people's e-mail addresses, but in the real world people don't think about this until They get spam or a virus. The only way to stop your e-mail addresses from getting published is simply to not use your real e-mail addresses for anything except direct correspondence. With the exception of this list, which was simply an error on my part, I use http://sneakemail.com for creating disposable e-mail addresses for forums and other untrustworthy sources, and I strongly encourage others to use this service as well. Basic service is absolutely free. Extended service is only $2/month. Please feel free to send me mail to ask about this service if you have any questions. Regards, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] (And please don't publish my addresses in your responses!) --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] spammed
www.mailinator.com can also be used for a quick temp account to signup for stuff that may just be junk. You don't need a password so security is non-existent, but you don't have to setup an address ahead of time. I don't remember how long it keeps the information and you can't send stuff out from the site. It just receives stuff in and you don't have to worry about someone using the address you provided to spam you. But it is a valid email address for receipts. Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] spammed gerry wrote: imo - the solution to this problem is simple - the posters email address should not be included in the distributed postings. i know the list address , the list address knows my address and nobody else knows anything. From: Glen B Something else to consider, is the presence of your e-mail in cross-posting on lists/newsgroups and web forums. Spiders can pull e-mail addresses from just about anything now-a-days. Part of the problem is when you post to a forum and then someone replies to your note, and their e-mail client puts in: From: persons name [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can't stop someone else from inserting your live mail like this, which then gets put into the web archive and becomes visible to the world. (BTW, Glen's comment about using a dynamically generated image to challenge people on a web site can be applied to the forum archive to help with this problem.) People should be dilligent about not posting other people's e-mail addresses, but in the real world people don't think about this until They get spam or a virus. The only way to stop your e-mail addresses from getting published is simply to not use your real e-mail addresses for anything except direct correspondence. With the exception of this list, which was simply an error on my part, I use http://sneakemail.com for creating disposable e-mail addresses for forums and other untrustworthy sources, and I strongly encourage others to use this service as well. Basic service is absolutely free. Extended service is only $2/month. Please feel free to send me mail to ask about this service if you have any questions. Regards, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] (And please don't publish my addresses in your responses!) --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] spammed
Or charge for sending bulk mail... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Don Kibbey Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 8:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] spammed Oh, if only they could tax spam (politicians everywhere dreaming) --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] spammed
you post your address yourself everytime you post to this list just like the one i am replying to - take a look at the From: header. Sorry folks, but this is a limitation of Majordomo/Sendmail. We can't change the From: header, it's actually part of the RFC. After all the mail isn't from Majordomo or the list, it's only relayed from there. Larry Hiscock Moderator --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] spammed
I type at about 120wpm, and my 10 key is about 14000kph. In the time it took for me to write this message, I could have probably identified and deleted about 25 spams. I don't really think it is a big deal at this point in time. :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Larry Hiscock Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 09:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] spammed you post your address yourself everytime you post to this list just like the one i am replying to - take a look at the From: header. Sorry folks, but this is a limitation of Majordomo/Sendmail. We can't change the From: header, it's actually part of the RFC. After all the mail isn't from Majordomo or the list, it's only relayed from there. Larry Hiscock Moderator --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] spammed
You can change the default distribution header and remove the Sender: line, since it is not required by the RFC for proper mail transfer. This will eliminate possible harvesting. You can also mangle the $sender variable to make it spam-proof. There's always a way.. http://www.greatcircle.com/lists/majordomo-users/mhonarc/majordomo-users.200 312/msg00015.html Glen http://picksource.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Larry Hiscock Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 12:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] spammed you post your address yourself everytime you post to this list just like the one i am replying to - take a look at the From: header. Sorry folks, but this is a limitation of Majordomo/Sendmail. We can't change the From: header, it's actually part of the RFC. After all the mail isn't from Majordomo or the list, it's only relayed from there. Larry Hiscock Moderator --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] spammed
You can change the default distribution header and remove the Sender: line, since it is not required by the RFC for proper mail transfer. This will eliminate possible harvesting. You can also mangle the $sender variable to make it spam-proof. The Sender: is [EMAIL PROTECTED], the From: is the original sender, so if we removed or munged the Sender: header line, then all you would see is the From: address, which doesn't solve the problem. Larry Hiscock Moderator --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Spammed
You got that right. The U.S. Postal Service managers get orgasmic just thinking about it. Why, if bulk E-mail were taxed, they might even lower the price of a stamp. Nah, no way! In Russia, is not important how the people vote; is important who counts the votes. - Josef Stalin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debster Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] Spammed Or charge for sending bulk mail. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Kibbey Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 8:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] Spammed Oh, if only they could tax spam (politicians everywhere dreaming) --- CONFIDENTIALITY This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and also may be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, or have otherwise received this communication in error, please delete it from your inbox, notify the sender immediately, and do not disclose its contents to any other person, use them for any purpose, or store or copy them in any medium. Thank you for your cooperation. --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] spammed
What I meant was, you can remove Sender: altogether and make From: be the list e-mail address. Glen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Larry Hiscock Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] spammed You can change the default distribution header and remove the Sender: line, since it is not required by the RFC for proper mail transfer. This will eliminate possible harvesting. You can also mangle the $sender variable to make it spam-proof. The Sender: is [EMAIL PROTECTED], the From: is the original sender, so if we removed or munged the Sender: header line, then all you would see is the From: address, which doesn't solve the problem. Larry Hiscock Moderator --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] spammed
The list server strips attachments, and may determine, based on the filetype among other things, that it was a virus. When it does so, it returns a notification to the sender. If you forward a copy of the notification directly to me at larryh[at]wcs-corp.com I can determine if it was indeed sent from our server. Larry Hiscock Moderator -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gerry Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 8:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] spammed i just received a viral mail delivery notification notice sent to my email address that is used solely for the u2 list and absolutely nothing else. anyone else get this ? gerry --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] spammed
considering I have numerous traps prior to my inbox...(cut it out!) I never received any along this line. This is aside from the fact tht I generally delete mail with funky headers/subject lines that my isp neglects to weed out -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of gerry Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 11:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] spammed i just received a viral mail delivery notification notice sent to my email address that is used solely for the u2 list and absolutely nothing else. anyone else get this ? gerry --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] spammed
NET*SKY.*P and Net*sky.*P I got this morning on the address I use for this list. (asterisks added to avoid getting filtered away into the bit bucket) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of gerry Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 08:13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] spammed i just received a viral mail delivery notification notice sent to my email address that is used solely for the u2 list and absolutely nothing else. anyone else get this ? gerry --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] spammed
All it takes is for a bot to sign up for the list and begin harvesting. Without any decent bot-stops in place, everyone on the list is on a harvester buffet bar. If the only authorization required, is a 'reply' to the authorization response, then most harvesters can join without anyone realizing it. That is why our(All-Spec) commercial mailing list registration requires you to read an authorization code from the response e-mail and type it into a web form. Then, a human has to interpret a skewed/pixilated GIF and type in the visualized code into a separate web form. That stops most harvesters. Something else to consider, is the presence of your e-mail in cross-posting on lists/newsgroups and web forums. Spiders can pull e-mail addresses from just about anything now-a-days. Glen http://picksource.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood (CA) Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 12:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] spammed NET*SKY.*P and Net*sky.*P I got this morning on the address I use for this list. (asterisks added to avoid getting filtered away into the bit bucket) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of gerry Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 08:13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] spammed i just received a viral mail delivery notification notice sent to my email address that is used solely for the u2 list and absolutely nothing else. anyone else get this ? gerry --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] spammed
Hi Larry , it didn't come from your server. but it did get sent to an address is not and has never been used for anything by the U2 list. see Allen's repsonse for 2nd confirmation. it never occurred to me to look - I assumed that originating email addresses were not included in posts distributed from this list , but on closer look it is - that's a shame. gerry - Original Message - From: Larry Hiscock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 12:17 pm Subject: RE: [U2] spammed The list server strips attachments, and may determine, based on the filetype among other things, that it was a virus. When it does so, it returns a notification to the sender. If you forward a copy of the notification directly to me at larryh[at]wcs-corp.com I can determine if it was indeed sent from our server. Larry Hiscock Moderator -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gerry Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 8:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] spammed i just received a viral mail delivery notification notice sent to my email address that is used solely for the u2 list and absolutely nothing else. anyone else get this ? gerry --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] spammed
that's the one - Original Message - From: Allen E. Elwood (CA) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 12:43 pm Subject: RE: [U2] spammed NET*SKY.*P and Net*sky.*P I got this morning on the address I use for this list. (asterisks added to avoid getting filtered away into the bit bucket) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of gerry Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 08:13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] spammed i just received a viral mail delivery notification notice sent to my email address that is used solely for the u2 list and absolutely nothing else. anyone else get this ? gerry --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] spammed
And just got one to my email address that I use for this list from [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject Re:Is that your password. Deleted without opening. Wasted bandwidth...however Time Warner is coming out tomorrow to upgrade my cable connection to 3mbps. So who cares about a couple of spams :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of gerry Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 12:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [U2] spammed that's the one - Original Message - From: Allen E. Elwood (CA) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 12:43 pm Subject: RE: [U2] spammed NET*SKY.*P and Net*sky.*P I got this morning on the address I use for this list. (asterisks added to avoid getting filtered away into the bit bucket) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of gerry Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 08:13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] spammed i just received a viral mail delivery notification notice sent to my email address that is used solely for the u2 list and absolutely nothing else. anyone else get this ? gerry --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] spammed
Well, on my side of the fence, it's good to see that Australia is finally clamping down on [locally produced] spam. I have the impression it's virtually illegal now. (Perhaps someone could confirm this.) I still wonder why governments around the globe didn't put a stop to spam long ago. My 2c. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood (CA) Sent: Tuesday, 21 September 2004 7:30 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] spammed Importance: Low And just got one to my email address that I use for this list from [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject Re:Is that your password. Deleted without opening. Wasted bandwidth...however Time Warner is coming out tomorrow to upgrade my cable connection to 3mbps. So who cares about a couple of spams :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of gerry Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 12:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [U2] spammed that's the one - Original Message - From: Allen E. Elwood (CA) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 12:43 pm Subject: RE: [U2] spammed NET*SKY.*P and Net*sky.*P I got this morning on the address I use for this list. (asterisks added to avoid getting filtered away into the bit bucket) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of gerry Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 08:13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] spammed i just received a viral mail delivery notification notice sent to my email address that is used solely for the u2 list and absolutely nothing else. anyone else get this ? gerry --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
