Re: will the installer keep accessible?
On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 03:47:23AM AEST, milton wrote: > Hi, > > As of less than 2 months before the release of Ubuntu 21.10 the installer > seems not accessible with Orca screen reader, I worried about my current > job. Will the installer be accessible with Orca in the LTS-version 22.04 as > in 20.04? I don't think anybody really knows, but at this rate, I would say no. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Uubuntu 21.04 beta has inaccessible installer
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 06:27:41PM AEDT, Vojtěch Polášek wrote: > Hi, > > I don't know the mailing list but I saw some conversation. Yes, Ubuntu > currently has inaccessible installer, unfortunately. They are using flutter > framework. But Flutter developers are aware of it and they are working on Flutter is not yet being used for the Ubuntu installer. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: will installer in the future be accessible with speech?
On Mon, Feb 08, 2021 at 09:25:26AM AEDT, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Mon, Feb 08, 2021 at 12:09:54AM AEDT, milton wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I heard about flutter and future installer of Ubuntu. Hopefully the > > installer then will be like now accessible with Orca? If not I have to start > > looking for another job. > > I highly doubt it. Whilst flutter uses GTk, I believe it only uses it for > window functionality, and > even t hen, flutter itself would need to properly support at-spi. Ok, seems that upstrea flutter devs are aware of the issue. https://github.com/flutter/flutter/issues/23601 So I somewhat take back what I said. Whether this is ready by 21.04 I have no idea. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: will installer in the future be accessible with speech?
On Mon, Feb 08, 2021 at 12:09:54AM AEDT, milton wrote: > Hi, > > I heard about flutter and future installer of Ubuntu. Hopefully the > installer then will be like now accessible with Orca? If not I have to start > looking for another job. I highly doubt it. Whilst flutter uses GTk, I believe it only uses it for window functionality, and even t hen, flutter itself would need to properly support at-spi. Believe me, this disgusts me too. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: dpkg problem using apt
On Sun, Feb 07, 2021 at 04:14:30AM AEDT, Glenn K0LNY wrote: > Hi All, > I'm running Ubuntu 18 in a VmWare session on this computer, and I tried to > install a package that I read from it's web page that it will install into > Ubuntu with apt > sudo apt install gnuradio -y > And I get an error that reads like: > unable to acquire the dpkg front end lockIs another process using it? Something else is open that is using the dpkg database, probably an auto update system of some kind, whether it be an apt cron job, or a GUI update manager. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: xubuntu on Pine64 no audio
On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 11:22:01AM AEDT, Glenn At Home wrote: > It looks like this distro does not support the audio device built into the > board. > I did arecord -l > and it listed no devices > I also did lspci | grep > and it listed no audio devices. > Any ideas? Firstly, such hardware does not always have a PCI bus, and even if it did, it is likely that the audio hardware is in the main SoC chip itself. Check for the existance of /proc/asound. If that doesn't exist, then it is possible that the relevant audio hardware module is not loaded. Check in /lib/modules/$kernel-version to see if any sound modules are present, and try to load them. It is common for board specific kernels to have the audio hardware driver built into the kernel, so you may not find anything, either in lsmod output, or in the modules directory. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Xenial Mate [20170306] built by PINE64
On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 08:44:59AM AEDT, Glenn At Home wrote: > But this does support my board: > Xenial Mate [20170306] built by PINE64 > So my question, is, does Xenial Mate on the desktop version come with Orca? This is rather easy to find out without booting the image. You can loop mount the image, and inspect the files. If the image has multiple partitions, then use the losetup command to create a loop device with the partitions accessible. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: where are orca apps settings saved?
On Wed, Apr 04, 2018 at 03:46:20AM AEST, Pavel Vlček wrote: > Hi, > > I changed some orca's settings for Firefox, but when I go to > .Local/share/orca, I can't find firefox.py file. Where is the file located? > I changed voice speed for general Orca settings for Orca, but the script > saved my original speed, so I need to delete the .py file and do the > settings again. What version of Ubuntu are you running? If 16.04 or later, Orca has been patched to use GSettings. I suggest installing dconf-editor and looking under /org/gnome/orca for Orca settings. Mind you, that patch may have been dropped since I maintained the package some 12 months ago or so. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: ot gnac replacement
On Wed, Apr 04, 2018 at 03:35:23AM AEST, Pavel Vlček wrote: > Hi, > > when I used Arch Linux, I used Gnac to convert multiple files with multiple > multimedia formats. Gnac is outdated and I am searching for some app with > the same functions, but I can't find the best accessible solution. Can you > recommend me some accessible multimedia converter, which can do the same as > gnac, so add files and folders with .avi, .mp4 etc, convert all added files > to .mp3 and delete the original video files? I think Vinux has something > maybe. It is command-line, but I strongly suggest learning ffmpeg's command-line syntax. Once understood it is in credibly powerful. There are GUIs around, but I know of none that are known to be accessible. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
It is time for me to depart.
It is with an extremely heavy heart that I write to you all to announce my departure from free and open source software development. GNU/Linux and free and open source software development has been a part of my life for well over a decade, some high points being my employment at Canonical for over 9 years, and the opportunity to maintain a free software project, Speech Dispatcher. I care very deeply about GNU/Linux accessibility, and free and open source software. I strongly believe that the philosophy behind free software is key to a better future for this world. However, I have lacked motivation of late, and the current state of accessibility on GNU/Linux, as well as the lack of funding for it, has not helped. I also would like to spend more time on other tallants I have, which have been neglected somewhat until recently, and are more likely to bring in a source of income in the future. I am sure I will return one day, with renewed motivation, enthusiasm, and a desire to contribute again. I am also sure I will be keeping watch on what transpires in this community, and since I will still be using GNU/Linux, I may still submit a bug fix from time to time for anything that I find particularly annoying. I step down from my positions as Vinux lead developer, and as Speech Dispatcher maintainer with pride and joy at what has been achieved. I am sorry that I have not fully helped to realize a renewed Vinux distribution based on Fedora, but I am sure that no matter what direction the Vinux project chooses to go, it will be lead well, and received well by the community. I will be closing my patreon campaign. To those who have supported me financially, I thank you deeply. Your support has been much appreciated. You know who you are. I am so grateful for the time I have spent in this community. I have learnt much, and have shared knowledge with others, and both the learning and sharing have always been a pleasure and a joy. It has also been a pleasure to talk to, and work with the free software community at large, but I would particularly like to thank a few people. To Rob Whyte, leader of the Vinux project, I owe a particularly heart felt thank you. You have been a rock and confidant when I have needed someone to talk to, as well as someone who I could blow off steam with, when things have been rough. It has been an honour, and a pleasure, to work with, and get to know you. Feel free to contact me any time if you want to chat. To everybody at Brailcom, particularly Hynek Hanke, Tomas Cerha, and Jan Buchal, I would like to thank for having given me the opportunity to maintain the Speech Dispatcher project. I had many plans to improve Speech Dispatcher, and I am sorry that these were not realized. I am sure the Speech Dispatcher project will still be relevant and developed going forward, and I am sure a maintainer can be found in the community. I wish that maintainer well. I also have to thank Canonical for giving me a chance and a job. I had the opportunitiy to work with some wonderful people while there, and I am happy to have learnt so much, particularly when it comes to building and developing a GNU/Linux distribution. Finally, I would like to thank the community. It has been a pleasure talking with you all, bouncing around ideas, discussing functionality, collectively digging into problems and solving them together. This last decade would have been for nothing if it weren't for all of us, whether we be users, developers, helpers, doc writers, etc. For now, I plan to exit for a while, and watch from the sidelines, but I do hope to return as a more active community member again, in the future. I wish you all well. You will not be forgotten. With kindest regards and best wishes. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
A big in crease of spam hitting the moderation queue, any Windows/Mac users please check your systems.
Hey folks. In the last half a week or so, there has been a massive increase in spam hitting the moderation queue for this list, however there has not been the same increase in the queue of the other Ubuntu lists I moderate. If you are a Windows or Mac user in any capacity, and you read/send email from one or more of those operating systems, please scan your systems and make sure they are clean of malware. My guess could be wrong, but when I am not observing the same behavior on other lists, I suspet someone on this list has been infected. Thanks in advance for your time and consideration. -- Please check out my Patreon campaign and spread the word. https://patreon.com/lukefoss -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Ubuntu 17.04 and orca
On Thu, May 04, 2017 at 12:50:58AM AEST, Alex ARNAUD wrote: > Maybe Luke has information about that. Further to this, I have found a fix, such that Orca will properly read the top indicator menu, and also the menus in Mate should also work properly. The fixes should hopefully be in Ubuntu 17.04 for testing by the end of the week, and then available for users in another week or so, all per Ubuntu's update procedure. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: The launch of my crowd funding campaign on Patreon.
On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 12:14:45AM AEST, Nick Wood wrote: > Hi Sam, > > I'm sure Luke will be along in a little while with more details, but the > following list is from his funding page: Thanks Nick. I did reply to Sam on another list. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
The launch of my crowd funding campaign on Patreon.
Hi all. I am writing to let you all know of my newly launched crowd funding campaign to continue to work full time on Linux accessibility development. Please spread the word if you are able, it would be much appreciated. https://patreon.com/lukefoss If any of you are also able to support financially in any way, it would also be much appreciated. Thanks Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: systemback and no orca
On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 03:59:12AM AEDT, Daniel Crone wrote: > For that reason, I Got systemback, and launched it. I am running ubuntu > 16.04 gnome desktop after removing unity. > For whatever reason, Orca speaks nothing when running systemback. > Could systemback be too much for this old machine? I wouldn't think so. It uses Qt5 for the GUI. You could try running another Qt5 based application, and see if that is accessible. Alternatively, you could use the ncurses based console version. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: gnome-speech-dectalk
On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 04:18:44PM AEDT, Amir wrote: > Hi, > found this on the web. can i use it with orca? > https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/core/yakkety/universe/base/gnome-speech-dectalk GNOME Speech is no longer supported by Orca. In addition, the package you refer to requires that you already have the proprietary DECtalk software speech synthesizer for Linux, which so far as I know is no longer available. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: latest ubuntu zesty
On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 05:48:48AM AEDT, mattias wrote: > i playing around with it on a chromebook > > but the X wont start > > i think there is no graphic driver for ARM Mali-T624 This is likely. I'd also suggest staying on Ubuntu 16.04. There are a few things that are broken in zesty right now, and not all are accessibility related. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Budgie desktop accessibility
On Sat, Jan 07, 2017 at 02:49:35AM AEDT, Pavel Vlček wrote: > Hi, > > when I go to cdimage.ubuntu.com, I can see daily builds for Ubuntu Budgie. > Is the Budgie desktop accessible? It can be an interesting desktop. No idea, and I suspect not, as nobody has looked into making sure accessibility services run under that desktop so far as I know. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Does Minimal ubuntu talk?
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 04:18:38AM AEDT, Martin McCormick wrote: > Does the current minimal ubuntu CD talk? I am pretty sure it does not. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: making a bluetooth speaker work
On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 04:42:12PM AEDT, Glenn / Lenny wrote: > Hi, > I am running Ubuntu 16.04 on an Intel NUC PPYH. > I have been using a regular speaker on it, but I want to use an Anker pocket > Bluetooth Speaker. > I got it found and configured from the Bluetooth manager, and in sound in > control center, I can test it fine. > But I cannot get system sounds or Orca to speak from it, the audio only comes > through connected speaker. It may be that the device does not support sample rates below 44100. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Kodi
On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 11:03:50AM AEDT, Glenn / Lenny wrote: > Hi, > I downloaded Kodi for Windows, and installed it on Windows 7 with Jaws 16, > and it was totally unusable, even with the Jaws cursor. > So I am wondering, how is it in Ubuntu with Orca? It would be no different, i.e not accessible. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Ubuntu 16.04.1, no orca
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 10:59:42AM AEDT, Daniel Crone wrote: > Also, when running the stick again, I get the drumbs, then try super key alt > s, and no orca. Anyone else have that happen? Try pressing Alt first, then super, then s. I've found that sometimes the order matters. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: testing Unity 8
On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 05:24:51AM AEDT, Pavel Vlček wrote: > Hi, > > I successfully upgraded from 16.04 with do-release-upgrade and I found new > session, Unity 8 here, but when I select it and login, I get no speech or no > sound. Default unity 7 works. How can I test the new Unity 8 with Orca? At the moment Unity 8 is not accessible with Orca, and is generally not ready for general use. It has been added for users to test and give feedback. Accessibility of Unity 8 is something I may be working on in the coming couple of cycles. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: How to use the HUD in Xenial with Orca?
On Fri, Sep 02, 2016 at 02:28:20AM AEST, David Hunt wrote: > When I tap the alt key, I get an entry area, typing into this results in > silence from orca until I dismiss the thing. How is this supposed to work? > if, for instance, I type 'settings' into the hud, when a browser window is > focused, is the preferences page supposed to come up? The hud would be useful if it were accessible which it is not, and is not likely to be given the rewrite of Unity in Qt. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Orca not speaking when I install Ubuntu 16.4 into vmware
On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 07:37:47PM AEST, Alex ARNAUD wrote: > What is your plan for speech integration in Ubuntu Server ? > I will be very happy if you could write a tutorial for helping us to install > Ubuntu Server. I do not currently have any plans to integrate any form of text to speech/screen reading into Ubuntu server. To do so would likely introduce security concerns that I am pretty sure the server team would rather avoid. I could however, look into writing a tutorial as to how you could set up an Ubuntu based server using a live desktop image, and by that I don't mean to install the image. I am not sure when I would be able to get to writing such a tutorial however. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Brltty 5.4 backported to Xenial.
Hi all. As some of you are experiencing problems with BrlTTY, I decided to go ahead and backport 5.4 from yakkety to xenial. As per usual, these packages are available from the Ubuntu Accessibility dev PPA, https://launchpad.net/~accessibility-dev/+archive/ppa. BrlTTy will be built and available shortly. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Orca not speaking when I install Ubuntu 16.4 into vmware
On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 10:05:20AM AEST, Pranav Lal wrote: > Hi all, > > I am trying to create a virtual machine using Ubuntu server 16.4 64bit. The > file I am using is called ubuntu-16.04-server-amd64.iso. I can create the > virtual machine using the easy install procedure from within vmware player but > when I hit alt+windows+s to launch orca at the login screen or during the > install, nothing happens. The server version does not ship with any graphical user interface of any kind. You will have to work out a way to set up ssh and connect to the virtual machine remotely to work on it. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Please trim your posts.
Hi folks. Just a reminder that you should trim your posts. If you really feel you must top post, then please trim anything that is not relevant to the conversation and your reply. I've just had to let through some posts because they were too big, and this could have been avoided by doing a little trimming before posting. Thanks. Your friendly list moderator. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Snap packages, what is the accessibility outlook?
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 06:58:21AM AEST, B. Henry wrote: > As the subject says, I'm of course interested in whether or not any, many or > most snap aps are and or will be accessible with orca. For the most part, packaging has nothing to do with accessibility. Everything running in containers is another matter, however its just a matter of ensuring that the accessibility bus is accessible and available to contained applications. As for the rest of your mail, I have no idea. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Ubuntu gnome and ppas
On Sun, May 01, 2016 at 11:20:55PM AEST, Alex ARNAUD wrote: > Dear Pavel, it seems that the Gnome PPA provide for now some 3.18 update and > I'm not sure about the migration to Gnome 3.20. Whether the latest GNOME is usable on Ubuntu depends largely on the version of GTK in Ubuntu, and the GNOME 3 PPA. The problem with shipping the latest GTK in the GNOME 3 PPA is that it will break a lot of applications in the archive, mostly theming, but possibly other things too, given that Canonical heavily, and I mean heavily, patches GTK. I think at this point, if you want the best vanilla GNOME experience, you are better off using another distro, Debian being the most likely candidate, since it uses debs, apt-get, etc. Its also a big stretch for me to try and look after the accessibility of Ubuntu proper, and 2 community flavours, given that they all have their own quirks and issues I have to deal with or work around. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Ubuntu 16.04 Braille users, please help test proposed BrlTTY update.
Hey folks. Further to the email I recently sent about a broken brlTTy package in Ubuntu 16.04, and the subsequent availability of a fixed package in the Ubuntu Accessibility dev PPA, I have submitted the fixed package as an update for 16.04. This fixed package is actually slightly better than what is in the PPA, because I discovered one small issue during testing when getting this update ready for submission. if you could please help test the update, feel free to go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1574538 and read through the bug. The last post contains instructions on how to test the proposed update. Once you have tested, please make sure you reply to the bug and indicate whether the updated package works for you. Do not forget to disable the proposed repository on your system once you have finished testing. I will be testing myself, but the more testers that can verify the update the better. Thanks in advance. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: orca won't start on 16.04
On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 03:51:10AM AEST, chad baker wrote: > Hi just burned 16.04 to disk and orca won’t start when doing control s > Did things change? Urm, yes. Upstream GNOME adopted a different keystroke a while ago, so we followed suit. You now use super + alt + S to start Orca. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] Heads up, Braille in 16.04.
On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 09:56:08PM AEST, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hi Luke, > > Thank you your answer. > If I would like doing a custom live CD with containing custom a11y settings, > not matter if both enabled the RUN_BRLTTY=yes and BRLTTY systemd service? You're probably better to leave the service enabled, and tweak the default file. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] Heads up, Braille in 16.04.
On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 04:48:27PM AEST, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hi Luke, > > In xenial need enabling the /etc/default/brltty file the RUN_BRLTTY=yes > configuration key after the updated package awailable in Xenial repository? > When need using this setting preference? If you have a USB Braille display, Brltty should start when the display is connected, either at boot, or when you connect the display after the system has booted. The RUN_BRLTTy option is for those who may have a particular BrlTTy configuration and are using a display connected via other means, i.e bluetooth or serial port etc. Right now, its easy to enable the systemd service and use the /etc/default/brltty file, but for future releases, that may change to simply using the systemd service, and disabling it by default. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Heads up, Braille in 16.04.
Hi folks. Unfortunately due to some misunderstanding on how some things worked on my part, and properly testing things cleanly at the time, BrlTTY as of the latest version in 16.04 is not properly functional. Neither enabling it in /etc/default/brltty nor plugging in a USB display and having BrlTTY launch will work. This is a result of me trying to fix BrlTTY not working with udev in the first place. I have identified the problems, and have uploaded a fixed package to the Ubuntu Accessibility dev PPA, http://launchpad.net/~accessibility-dev/+archive. The fixes in this updated package will be pushed into Ubuntu proper as soon as possible, and when they are, I will let everybody know. Sorry for the inconvenience, and I thank you in advance for your understanding. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: gnome shell versus mate
On Sat, Apr 02, 2016 at 12:41:20AM AEDT, kendell clark wrote: > Gnome is great if you don't want to have a customized panel with > different applets on it. The gnome panel is set and can't be changed > easily. It requires an extension or gsettings keys to do so. GNOME shell is quite a lot more extensible than I think a lot of people give it credit for. It would be possible for applications to ship their own extensions, and provide UI to enable or disable an icon for their needs on the panel if they so chose. It is disappointing that the GNOME folks decided to exclude a UI to work with extensions from base GNOME, but that doesn't prevent applications from including settings to show themselves in the shell somewhere via an extension. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: will speech be possible with BQ Aquaris M10 convergence?
On Fri, Apr 01, 2016 at 10:20:33AM AEDT, Nolan Darilek wrote: > I feel like the OP's question is a bit different. > > My understanding of these devices is that they become full(er) desktops when > plugged in to external hardware. At this point, would existing desktop APIs > take over and grant a desktop-like level of a11y, even if they don't work in > touch mode? No, because it is not the same code base, sorry I probably didn't make that clear. Its totally new Unity, based on Qt5, based on Mir, no X involved, no Gtk anywhere so far as I know, etc. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Which distro to use was Re: accessibility profiles, what is it and how it works?
On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 10:07:10PM AEDT, Daniel Crone wrote: > Hello. On an external hard drive I have vinux 5, but thought of putting > ubuntu on it. > I welcome anyone’s advice as to which version of ubuntu might be most > accessible. Also, I would like to know if I might do better using gnome or > mate. At this point in time I suggest VInux 5. Vinux 5 comes with 3 desktop environments, Unity, GNOME Shell, and Mate. BTW, you didn't reply to the list, but to me only, so replying to the list which is where I think you meant the post to go. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: accessibility profiles, what is it and how it works?
On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 09:28:59AM AEDT, B. Henry wrote: > Is there now, or will there in the planned future be an easy way to export > and import accessiblity profiles? If you have a profile, you can just drop it in /usr/share/a11y-profile-manager/profiles and it should be picked up. It does not make sense to put them in your home directory because a profile is much more useful if its available system wide. Having said that, it would probably be useful to have a tool that could export, import, and package up profiles to be shared. Editing profiles on the other hand is not likely to be as easy, given you are working with raw gsettings, so putting together a profile will be a matter of knowing the gsettings schema, the gsettings you want to change within that schema, and optionally the schema path, if that particular gsettings schema has a relocatable schema path. This will likely require knowledge of the settings of the applications you want to change. Further to this though, I think there is a way one can monitor for gsettings schema changes, so again it may be possible to make a tool that can monitor for changes, and gather them, and then save them for you into a file. You would then load the tool, run your app, change the settings you want changed, then save the file. At this point in time, there is no mechanism to support other settings systems or configuration file formats. Ini style file formats could be supported, but that would require another file format to define the ini file layout and expected values. Other database based settings systems could be supported if there was enough demand. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: accessibility profiles, what is it and how it works?
On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 09:31:46PM AEDT, Pavel Vlček wrote: > Hi, > after today's update, when I press alt f10 key, I get accessibility > profiles menu. I am using Orca normally, but no profile was selected. > I changed it to screen reader witch speech. What changet? I am using > Ubuntu daily, to install the Ubuntu, I used live dvd from 10th March. Accessibility profiles are a way to facilitate the configuration of the Ubuntu desktop for people with disabilities. An accessibility profile contains settings that improve the usage of the desktop environment for particular assistive technologies. Accessibility profiles have been around for many years now, I think as early as Ubuntu 8.04, if not earlier, however until now, they have not been as easy to work with. For one, they were only available in the live session or the installer, and for another, they were not available post install, and were hard coded in a shell script, that was only present in the live environment. As of Ubuntu 16.04, the accessibility profile system has been much improved. The profiles are available on the live session, and during installation, and also available post install. So for example, you can now create a new user, log into that user, and enable a particular accessibility profile for them, without having to manually tweak a bunch of settings. What you are seeing is the new accessibility profiles indicator. By default, the indicator is enabled when any accessibility profile is enabled, to allow the switching between profiles if the user so desires. The indicator can be turned off from the universal access control panel, under the accessibility profiles tab. One other advantage of the new accessibility profile system is you can now create your own profiles, and they will appear in the indicator alongside other profiles. The profile system allows for any gsettings key to be changed when a profile is enabled. Creating a profile is not yet documented, and thats something I have to work on, and it will likely be put on the Ubuntu wiki under the accessibility section. Unfortunately due to time constraints, I was not able to implement this support for all Gtk/GNOME based flavours of Ubuntu. Doing so would require adding UI to the various desktop environments to allow the profiles indicator or equivalent to be enabled/disabled. I would also have to code extra modules to properly support GNOME shell, and Mate's own panel applet system. Once this work is done however, the design is such that it would then be possible for profiles to contain settings specifically for a particular desktop environment, so you could have settings for mate that would be applied when the profile is enabled, and those settings would not be enabled under Unity or GNOME shell. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Orca 3.20 in ubuntu 16.04 question
On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:06:15AM AEDT, B. Henry wrote: > Is accessibility overall going to be similar in 16.04 to recent Ubuntu > releases? have things changed much on the accessiblity front since 14.04? Beyond what new stuff Orca brings to the table, not a lot. The accessibility profile system has been revamped however, the most noticeable change being a new indicator in the menu bar when you have an accessibility profile enabled. Once this is in a daily image, I will mail the list with more details. Most of the pieces for it have landed, but the package was only moved to main the last 12 or so hours, and there are still a few bugs surrounding its use in the installer, which I am currently working on, although they won't be in the beta due this Thursday. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Orca 3.20 in ubuntu 16.04 question
On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 04:34:14AM AEDT, Pavel Vlček wrote: > Hi, > Orca 3.20.0 is here. Is here a chance to be released in Ubuntu 16.04, > or 3.18.2 will be included in 16.04? I don't know Ubuntu release plan. > Can I read it somewhere? Orca 3.18.2 will be in Ubuntu 16.04. I will make Orca 3.20 available in the accessibility PPA when I get a chance. Unfortunately newer versions of Orca do not work properly with the Unity dash, so I need to work out a fix for that. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Some icons aren't spoken by Orca
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 07:34:47PM AEDT, Pavel Vlček wrote: > Hi, > I installed the latest daily build of Ubuntu to my laptop. I am testing it > again and I found one small issue. Some icons in alt plus f10 panel aren't > spoken by Orca. For example. Go to messages menu. You can see some icons and > if Pidgin is installed, you can see four icons without accessibility > description. Yes, I can confirm this, I'll look into getting that sorted. Thanks. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: No Braillesupport
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 12:31:16AM AEDT, Vdsl Hosting | Jordy wrote: > Hi all, > > I am new to Ubuntu 14.04.3 and Linux in general. > > I installed Ubuntu an hour ago and it works fine, I think. One thing I found > is > very strange! I have no braillesupport in Orca. It is Orca 3.10.x. > > If I check the checkbox that says Enable braille, it doesnt change > anything. > I can wait five minutes an then the checkbox is automatically unchecked. > > Can anyone help me please?! Firstly, it would be helpful if you stated what your Braille display is, and how it connects to your system. If you could reply with this information, that would help us with helping you. Thanks. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Ubuntu phones and accessibility for the blind
On Tue, Mar 01, 2016 at 06:20:18PM AEDT, Michael Pozhidaev wrote: > Hi Luke, > > Luke Yelavich writes: > > > There is much to be done to get this off the ground. Given that > > Canonical is writing its own display server Mir, the first requirement > > is to properly tie in the accessibility infrastructure, mainly at-spi, > > into working properly with Mir to intercept input events, and extend > > at-spi itself to support touch. It would then be a matter of extending > > Orca to work with touch, and not requiring Gtk support. In addition, > > Qt's own linux accessibility support would likely need much work, > > particularly the QML accessibility components. Ubuntu's QML based SDk > > would also need much accessibility work. > > Yes, really a plenty of work to do. Could it be reasonable to try > first getting some features for basic phone functions (just to have > something for the beginning), and, after that try the work you have > described? It is possible, but I am not sure how one would be able to find what they need on screen without some way of the touch inputs being intercepted, to make sure you don't activate something which you did not mean to activate. Simple notifications like who is calling, incoming messages could be done, but the problem as I see it, is then trying to get to the appropriate app to re-read such data. > I know a bit about AT-SPI internals (Mike Gorse helped me a lot with > that), and agree that this work is worthy enough to do, but will it let > us get an accessible phone in observable future? That all depends on the number of developers who are involved to make this happen. Extending at-spi to support touch events will likely need to be done at some point for Wayland, so that could certainly be started now by those of us who are keen to get it done. The real challenge is then tying it in with the Mir display server that Canonical is using on the phone already, which would likely require help from the Mir developers for best results. They already have a high level understanding of what is needed, but getting this working is not a priority for them right now. >From what they told me, they would probably want Mir itself to assume control for input interception, rather than at-spi itself, since they don't want external processes to have access to any of Mir's input event management data. > Is Ubuntu phone already on Mir or it still uses ordinary X.org? I am > really impatient to try something (although don't have this phone > yet). I am ready to try getting this phone, but I need to be sure > that I will be able to have access to its internals. Otherwise, > apparently , I will be unable to do anything at all. As above, Mir is used on the phone now. > I am planning to be in London from April 10th till 18th (and completely > unaware when could get next chance to come to London). May I ask > somebody to meet and let me know about this phone more please? If I get > first understanding, I will purchase it for further experiments. I > support everything what you have write and would be happy to participate > in this development, but just want to have something to use as soon as > possible. Just because I don't see nothing suitable arount instead. I > don't trust Android, Tizen is completely unclear with its accessibility > features, but Ubuntu phone is very inspirable also as a thing which I > can improve myself. Sorry, I am not sure I am able to help here with advice as to who you could contact in London to try and get more info/help with the Ubuntu phone platform. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Ubuntu phones and accessibility for the blind
On Tue, Mar 01, 2016 at 03:12:58PM AEDT, Michael Pozhidaev wrote: > Hi guys, > > A lot of rumors appears around the Ubuntu phone, what is very great news > in itself. I'm just wondering is there any work to make this phone > accessible for the blind? Or it is already suitable now? Anyway, what is > its status regarding its accessibility for the blind? In short, non-existant at the moment. > I'm a totally blind man. Due to very serious concerns on Android's > security, I'd like to find something different. My question is mostly > about basic phone functions, including making calls, maintaining > contacts list and SMS reading, rather than general accessibility in > applications. > If there is nothing ready with that yet, I agree to participate in any > work which potentially could result in necessary features for the > blind. I'm a software engineer working on Linux for a long time, and I > would be happy to be useful. But, of cource, if there are any ideas what > to do. There is much to be done to get this off the ground. Given that Canonical is writing its own display server Mir, the first requirement is to properly tie in the accessibility infrastructure, mainly at-spi, into working properly with Mir to intercept input events, and extend at-spi itself to support touch. It would then be a matter of extending Orca to work with touch, and not requiring Gtk support. In addition, Qt's own linux accessibility support would likely need much work, particularly the QML accessibility components. Ubuntu's QML based SDk would also need much accessibility work. Thats a high level overview, but I hope it sheds some light on what needs doing. Oh... Yeah, Canonical decided to write its own wrapper around Chromium as well, so work is needed there too to add accessibility support, then add support for that to Orca. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Installing Ubuntu without GRUB
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 06:46:51AM AEDT, Glenn / Lenny wrote: > Hi Again, > I have been researching this concern, and it seems to me that I came up with > an idea that might work. > I just don't recall the installation steps to know for sure if I will get my > option to do this step. > I suspect that my Windows partition is going to be /dev/sda1 and the empty > partition will be /dev/sda2. > Do we get the option of which partition to put GRUB onto? If you use the advanced partitioning method, then yes, you can choose where Grub puts its loader. Bare in mind that unless you are using an EFI based machine, your BIOS is not likely to let you select which partition to boot. It will only boot that disk, and then whatever partition is marked as active in the partition table will be booted. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: reporting Unity accessibility bugs
Firstly, this is a list specifically for bug notifications, the general Ubuntu accessibility list would be a better place to post this. As such, I am CCing that list. My reply is inline. On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 06:52:55AM AEDT, Pavel Vlček wrote: > Hi, > I tried a lot of distros, with Gnome, Mate, Xfce, but for usability > reason, I like Unity. Why? Classic menus and working with minimized > apps in tray, absolutelly perfect. But some great features aren't > accessible for example unity-web-apps and online account authorising > service. Can I report these accessibility issues here, Your best bet is to file bugs against the relevant packages in the distro, however they are not likely to be fixed any time soon. All of what you mention, online accounts and webapps are using Qt Webkit, which has no accessibility yet, and not likely to be done any time soon so far as I know. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
At-spi/atk 2.18 and Orca 3.18 available in Ubuntu accessibility dev PPA.
Hey folks. This is just a quick message to let you know that the latest stable GNOME accessibility stack will be available shortly in the Ubuntu Accessibility dev PPA, found at http://ppa.launchpad.net/~accessibility-dev/+archive/ppa. This update includes at-spi2-core, at-spi2-atk and pyatspi, as well as atk, all at version 2.18. In addition, Orca has been updated to version 3.18. These updates are available for Ubuntu versions 14.04, 15.04, and the soon to be released 15.10. To add the PPA from the command line, do the following: 1. sudo apt-add-repository ppa:accessibility-dev/ppa 2. sudo apt-get update 3. sudo apt-get upgrade That should get you the latest goodies. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: is there a development project for the Braille Sense?
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 07:52:00AM AEST, Eric Oyen wrote: hello group. Is there a development project to compile a running version for the braille sense U2? I am trying to find out what ARM chip they are using and a few other specifications. The device currently runs on windows CE 6 (ugh!) and only has a few apps developed for that execution environment. If at all possible, I would like to compile and make a full firmware installation image that would boot up on there and give me a braille supported interface. If the hardware has an Android port, then GNU/Linux would be a possibility. However, if the hardware is only running Windows CE, then its highly likely that it cannot run Ubuntu, since its not likely that the ARM chip supports ARM v7 instructions. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: orca and firefox
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 03:14:10AM AEST, Lucas Radaelli wrote: Folks, Just wanted to say that I gave orca and firefox another try and the experience seems to be much better than i was used to! this is awesome. I am running 14.04. Just to make sure that I got the best that is available, could you confirm to me which is the orca version that I should be running and which firefox version? You can install Orca 3.16.2 for 14.04 from the Ubuntu Accessibility Dev PPA, ppa:ubuntu-accessibility-dev/ppa. To add it and update, do the following: * In a terminal, run sudo apt-add-repository ppa:accessibility-dev/ppa * sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade And you should then get latest stable Orca. This will likely be updated once Orca 3.18 comes out. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: orca and firefox
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 07:58:19AM AEST, kk wrote: Wow, Who maintains this ppa for accessibility devel? I do. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: working with magnification
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 10:47:29PM AEST, Milton wrote: Thank you Luke for the information. It gives me hope for my projects using the LTS 16.04. For now I have to figure out about the Compiz settings for to try out. Do you mean Compiz with the GNOME shell?magnifier No, GNOME shell is a different shell to Unity, thus it will not work alongside compiz. GNOME Shell uses clutter for 3D rendering, so has its own internal magnifier. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: working with magnification
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:49:29AM AEST, Milton wrote: I tried virtual Magnifyer Glass in GNOME Metacity. So my friend has to judge by himself if it is good enough. Last year I tried Compiz but I could not put the settings right. If your friend needs cursor/text tarcking, then the GNOME shell magnifier is likely the best option. GNOME Shell 3.16 will be in Wily, due for release in October, and I am pretty sure that has cursor/textt tracking. Its also in vivid's GNOME shell 3.14, but I am not sure whether 3.16 has improvements in that area or not, so it will need investigation. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: is Ubuntu accessible on the raspberry pi?
On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 04:39:40AM AEST, Milton wrote: Hello everybody, I'm wondering if Ubuntu is accessible with Orca on the raspberry pi? Not that I know of. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Orca on ubuntu 14.04
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 01:10:38PM EDT, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: Hello, I experience known bugs in Ubuntu 14.04 with Orca and Libreoffice. Does a 3.14 orca exist as ubuntu package? How can I have it? PPA? Is there an update? I have just uploaded Orca 3.14, as well as the latest accessibility stack updates, i.e at-spi2-core, at-spi2-atk, and pyatspi into the Ubuntu Accessibility dev PpA found at https://launchpad.net/~accessibility-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ppa. These updates are available for trusty and utopic. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Unmuting Login Greeter Ubuntu Mate 14.10?
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 11:57:15PM EDT, D. A. H. wrote: Hi, I'm running an installation of Ubuntu Mate edition, and cannot seem to unmute the login greeter. the 'ctrl+s' and 'alt+super+s' keystrokes do not result in speech. The desktop talks just fine, thanks; I've added the Orca built from Master. It is likely that the mate remix is not using the unity greeter. I suggest you install the unity-greeter package, and use that as your preferred lightdm greeter, as that has accessibility support. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Why no at-spi2-core update for so long?
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 06:23:16AM AEST, Francesco Fumanti wrote: Hi, I wanted to point out, that at-spi2-core has not been updated for quite some time in Ubuntu. Indeed, Ubuntu utopic is still shipping version 2.10, while 2.14 has just been released. Moreover, I have noticed, that Ubuntu utopic is shipping version 2.12 of libatk. Thus, I wanted to ask if there is a particular reason for at-spi2-core not having been updated for so long? (Please, don't get me wrong: I am not saying that it should be updated; I don't know whether an updated version would fare better. I am only wondering about it not being updated and the version discrepancy between at-spi2-core and libatk.) This is going to be addressed shortly. At-spi was left where it was due to it causing some unexplained and unidentified issues with Phone/touch related work, and so it was downgraded with no questions asked. I didn't want to step on any toes, but now since the phone work is in another repo, these can be updated. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: No audio in Ubuntu Gnome
On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 12:34:51AM AEST, Lenny wrote: Hi, After having total audio problems with Ubuntu Mate, I tried installing Ubuntu Gnome on this laptop, a Compaq Presario 2500, with a GB of RAM. I had audio through the installation with the live DVD. When I booted up and came to the log in screen, I did Super-S and control + S, and then had audio, but it was very slow and choppy. After booting in, there was no audio, I could not get Orca to run, or it was running with no audio. Did that machine previously have a Linux install of any kind present on the HD? If so, did you completely format the hard drive before installing? I've seen weird problems where audio wouldn't work properly in some instances when overriding a previous installation that was not completely formatted. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: ubuntu gnome 14.04 question
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 04:50:46PM AEST, Milton wrote: I'm actually helping sighted people to install Ubuntu on their devices. sometimes I met with laptops which have no super key. How can I start Orca in that case? Tanks. Well, perhaps I'll leave the Control S keystroke in place for the install process only. Everywhere else will be Super + Alt + S. It should be noted that the keystroke is not configurable on the Unity login screen, but it is configurable for the desktop session, and should be configurable for gdm, although I haven't checked. I prefer consistancy, but the amount of code to keep Control S around for the installer is small enough such that it can be left there. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: indicator applet of gnome-session-flashback is not accessible with Orca
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:42:36PM AEST, Milton wrote: Dear developers, Because the Dash is not accessible with Orca in Trusty Unity I tried the gnome-session-metacity after installing: sudo apt-get install gnome-session-flashback I cannot get to the indicator applet, in Unity I did this with Alt_F10. Try Super + S, or Super + M. I think the indicator-applet code should still have those keystrokes in its code. Unfortunately they are not configurable, but should still be there. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: will the Dash be accessible for Orca in Trusty?
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 07:40:47AM AEST, Rob Whyte wrote: Hi, I believe there is a race condition preventing Orca from reading this reliably. A bit of playing with the flat review will sometimes get it accessible. I am aware that Luke has been trying to track the problem down but not sure if there has been any progress. No more progress unfortunately. Unity 3D has a lot of custom code, which is known to break accessibility code, and such problems are hard to track down. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Compiz
On Mon, Aug 04, 2014 at 03:34:46AM EST, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: Hi, Does Ubuntu has a prospective about Compiz? Is it maintained? who maintains? My project is packaging it for Debian, and making it work with MATE or making all its features work with Unity for low-visual impaired people. Ideas about the status of Compiz? Longer term, Ubuntu will be dropping the use of compiz, once the rewrite of unity in Qt for both mobile and desktop is complete. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: LTS release
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 01:13:26AM EST, Tom Masterson wrote: Does anyone know when the 14.04 release should be up on the release update site? I would like to be able to use do-release-upgrade to upgrade to the new LTS release but it is not available yet. Users are offered to upgrade to 14.04 when 14.04.1 is released, to make sure the most critical bugs are ironed out before users are upgraded. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: can't remove partitions in Vinux
On Mon, Apr 07, 2014 at 05:50:08PM EST, blind Pete wrote: Is your hard disk GPT or MBR? You could try gdisk or cgdisk for the former. For the latter try fdisk or cfdisk. I would argue to still use gparted. This is due to modern disks, particularly advanced format drives requiring correct partition alignment for best performance, and I have no idea whether those tools you mentioned do this properly. Gdisk maybe, but GPT has been around longer than advanced format drives. I say gparted, because under the hood it uses libparted, which is known to work properly with aligning partitions properly for newer drives. The Ubuntu and Debian installers also use libparted under the hood for partition management. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Looking for a talking ARM image
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 11:45:25AM EST, Lenny wrote: Hi All, Is there a talking Ubuntu, or talking Arch for the ARM platform? I have an MK802 and I tried the RPI version of Arch, but it did not come up talking. Mind elaborating exactly what hardware this is? Is it a tablet, or some other development board? Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Some time horrible speech in Ubuntu 13.10 awailable Espeak and Speech-dispatcher
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 02:28:28AM EST, Hammer Attila wrote: Hi Nadire, I will be doing a PPA version if you would like this, but I would like waiting Luke answer. Better doing a main archive awailable fix if this is possible, because the fix is officialy reviewed. What fix is this exactly, and in what package? I am aware of audio issues with espeak and speech-dispatcher in 13.10, and its a combination of speech-dispatcher's pulseaudi ocode and pulseaudio itself. Speech-dispatcher is probably not using pulse as well as it could be, at the same time, pulse has had changes made that somtimes cause audio issues. I've tried following this up with upstream, and some work has been done to try and look into this, but it seems we're not there yet. I need to try git master of pulse myself to see if things are resolved. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Estimated what GNOME version will ship with Ubuntu 14.04?
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 08:25:41PM EST, Hammer Attila wrote: Hi, Estimated the Ubuntu 14.04 final release what GNOME version will be ship? GNOME 3.8 or 3.10? How will be happening a11y stack related updates and importanter components related updates (GTK3, Gnome Shell, etc)? Ubuntu 14.04 will be sticking with GNOME 3.8 core components. GTK may be updated to 3.10, I don't know about GNOME shell, it will probably stay with 3.8 as well, given its close ties with gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-control-center. Accessibility wise, it all depends on what is done in the accessibility stack as to whether we can update to the newer versions. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: dreams and schemes
Hi folks, As much as I think this discussion needs to happen, this list is not the place. If you still want to discuss this topic, which IMO is a good thing, plesae consider using another list to do so. My recommendation is the Blinxu list, which is for general blind linux related discussion. You can find the list info page here: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list I appreciate your cooperation. Thanks, Your friendly Ubuntu Accessibility list moderator. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:04:59PM PDT, Hammer Attila wrote: Hi Luke, Usual I get this crash after I launched Firefox 25.0 and doed some heading level navigations and scrolling, for example following webpages: http://vakbarat.index.hu Ok, mind filing a bug in launchpad against at-spi2-core, and attach the crash to that bug? I'll then get the retracers to update the bug with proper tracebacks so we can take this upstream more easily. Thanks Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 09:14:48AM PDT, Nolan Darilek wrote: FWIW, the upgrade went fine under 13.04, no problems whatsoever. That's my biggest criticism with only making LTS releases accessible. The accessibility infrastructure moves on and improves, and browsers rapidly acquire new and game-changing capabilities like Web RTC/Web Audio at a rapid rate. Yet, unless I misunderstand, 12.04 is still stuck on an older AT-SPI that may break when a browser upgrades. If there were more resources, more effort could be put into supporting interim releases. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:13:41PM PDT, Hammer Attila wrote: Hi, I tried renaming my .mozilla folder with an another name to determine an old configuration preference producing this issue or not, and testing this issue an another machine. Unfortunately the .mozilla folder temporary rename is not helped. I looked the /var/crash folder after I try navigating some webpages, and I found the at-spi2-core service is crashed. I attaching the crash file. Are you able to regularly reproduce the crash? If so, does the crash occur at login or when you attempt to load firefox? Thanks for the crash file, I'm just unpacking it now and getting a backtrace from it. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Latest Ubuntu?
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 02:29:47PM EST, Lenny wrote: Hi, I have heard of a Gnome remix, presumably on the latest Ubuntu? Or is the stock version of the latest Ubuntu the most accessible? I would recommend the GNOME based remix of Ubuntu 13.04, and I think Canonical also host it. I think you will find it on http://releases.ubuntu.com. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Build Orca on Ubuntu 12.04
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 01:12:08AM EST, Cameron Wong wrote: Hello, I am trying to make Linux accessible for Chinese blind users. I have developed Ekho Chinese TTS (http://www.eguidedog.net/ekho.php) which works fine with Orca on Ubuntu 12.04. It would be nice to integrate this with speech-dispatcher, see http://www.freebsoft.org/speechd. (Let me know if someone would like to help to put it into Ubuntu's repository). Once we have speech-dispatcher support for it, sure. Now I want to implement an ibus input method plugin to Orca. Without the ability of reading input method, Linux is not quite accessible to east Asian blind users. You probably need to talk to the upstream at-spi maintainers, as that is likely where the support needs to be added, since Orca uses at-spi to deal with all of its input snooping, to determine what keystrokes have been pressed etc. I suggest you mail the GNOME accessibility development mailing list at gnome-accessibility-de...@gnome.org to start a dialog. The mailing list page is at https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-devel. I know few about Orca. All starts from building the source code. I get the source code of version 3.4.1 with following command. $ apt-get source gnome-orca Then $ ./configure To my surprise, the dependency doesn't meets. Not because some packages are missing but the version is not high enough. Can someone explain why source code from apt-get depends on some packages newer than current system? Did you install all the build dependencies for Orca, sudo apt-get build-dep gnome-orca. To make orca be able to build, I make and install following packages: * gnome-common, libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev, libcairo2-dev, libpango1.0-dev, libatk1.0-dev, libxext-dev, libxi-dev, python-dev, libgirepository1.0-dev, python-cairo-dev, libatspi2.0-dev * GTK 3.1.92 ( http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/gtk+/3.1/gtk+-3.1.92.tar.xz) * PyObject 3.0.4 ( http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/pygobject/3.0/pygobject-3.0.4.tar.xz) I choose GTK 3.1.92 and PyObject 3.0.4 because I think they are the most closest version to Ubuntu 12.04 that can meet orca's build dependency. The look-and-feel of desktop windows/widgets has changed now. Yes, because you overwrote the system GTK setup with a custom built one. Now I can build and install orca. All commands I use to build from source are `./configure make make install`. So they are installed in /usr/local/. When I run `orca` in terminal, it complains: ''' Contraction tables for liblouis cannot be found. This usually means orca was built before liblouis was installed. Contracted braille will not be available. Cannot start Orca because it cannot connect to the Desktop. Please make sure the DISPLAY environment variable has been set. The issues you raise are common amongst people who end up having more than one copy of Orca, and other libraries on the system. As I suggested above, you should install all of orca's build dependencies before you try to build it. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: A few questions concerning Ubuntu 13.04
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 01:09:54AM EST, Robert Cole wrote: Hello, everyone. I have enjoyed using fedora over the past year or so, but I just do not have time to solve the big problems which I am having with the system. My wife and family who use my system have run into quite a number of issues, and it makes their experience pretty unpleasant. I am thinking about moving back to Ubuntu, but I have a few questions: 1) Does the problem with the Compiz eZoom plugin on Unity 3D still exist (e.g. only the desktop area si zoomed, but the panel and dash remain unaltered)? Yes, this is still a problem, and won't be solved with the current Compiz+unity code base. At this point I don't know whether a magnifier will be written for the new Unity rewrite in 14.04 either. I will try to push for one, but no promises. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: how good will be the gnome shell edition of Ubuntu 13.04?
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 01:46:39AM EST, Krishnakant Mane wrote: Hello all, I wish to know if the Ubuntu 13.04 gnome edition is worth using for a complete daily desktop? As far as I can understand from the responses to my previous queries, many suggest that Unity is still as good as 12.04. Thats not correct. Ubuntu 13.04 and 12.10 before it do not have Unity 2D, and Unity 3D is still not nearly as accessible as Unity 2D. There are still bugs with navigating the dash and the launcher, to the point where I would not recommend it for day to day use for most users. GNOME shell 3.6 is known to be quite usable. It is quite easy to be productive under GNOME shell 3.6, having almost everything at your fingertips. I don't think you get wireless network strength though, but I think thats a small sisue, and newer versions of the shell will likely have this fixed. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: how good will be the gnome shell edition of Ubuntu 13.04?
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 09:11:38AM EST, Dave Hunt wrote: Hi, When I used a daily build of Ubuntu GNOME 13.04, from 2 days ago, I found that wireless signal strength and battery status were accessible. In my Opensuse installation, which has GNOME Shell 3.6, signal strength is not read, unless I use the fallback mode, but, Suse still has Orca 3.6.3, whereas Ubuntu 13.04 has Orca 3.8, and associated accessibility infrastructure. That makes sense then, and thats the problem with all these updates, they generally need to be made in lockstep. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: how good will be the gnome shell edition of Ubuntu 13.04?
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:16:43PM EST, Krishnakant Mane wrote: Still no confirmation for my query on some thing similar to Heads up display? Is such a feature there in Gnome 3.6? No it is not. I am surprised you use the HUD, because its not as accessible as it could be, and I find it gets in the way. Also, I wish to know from all the eminent list members, is Gnome shell the right path to go for a long terms solution? If you want to use GNOME long term, then yes. Ubuntu will be moving away from the use of GNOME as part of its desktop, and will be using its own Qt based GUI. There will always be the GNOME remix, and I dare say once Ubuntu stops using GNOME completely, then you will see GNOME regularly up to date in future Ubuntu releases. Is it any faster in performance as compared to Unity? Its hard to compare that at the moment, given unity 3D is not fully accessible, and given that Unity is undergoing another rewrite to be Qt5 based. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: is Ubuntu 13.04 going to be any better?
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 11:06:18PM EST, Kyle wrote: I'm just a little concerned that the GNOME edition is still running GNOME 3.6 + Orca 3.8, whereas Ubuntu 13.04 should be running GNOME 3.8 in its entirety. But maybe they will upgrade the GNOME edition to 3.8 after the Ubuntu release is finalized. The GNOME version we base on is decided at the beginning of the cycle. Given there are a few big changes in the 3.8 cycle, and since Ubuntu has rather heavily patched some of the core components, a decision was made to stick with 3.6 this cycle, partly for stability reasons, and partly due to the work required to port the patches to another new release. There are also not enough human resources to keep track of a GNOME development release. The accessibility stack in 13.04 is from GNOME 3.8 however. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: new member
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 04:13:30AM EST, rodney jackson wrote: I just installed Ubuntu 12.1 and I have been able to change settings and set up my printer from the network, but I can not figure out how to read the icons on the desktop I am still trying to figure out how to navigate with orca, I have only had this installed for a few days. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Firstly, welcome to the list. If you are new user to Ubuntu and Linux, I suggest you consider installing Ubuntu 12.04 instead, as it is a long term support release, and has better accessibility out of the box. Unfortunately the Ubuntu accessibility team does not have the resources to make sure all releases of Ubuntu are reasonably accessible out of the box. As for navigating icons on the desktop, this is only possible to do if there are actually icons on the desktop. By default, Ubuntu does not have any icons placed on the desktop for a fresh install. As for learning how to use Orca, I suggest you try out Orca's keyboard learning mode. You can activate this by pressing Orca + h, where Orca is either insert if you are on a desktop, or caps lock if you are on a laptop. Note you need to have the correct keyboard layout configured in Orca's preferences. Hope this helps as a starting point for you. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Future Ubuntu phones and tablets: will be possible using this devices with Orca and other a11y tools?
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 06:37:47AM GMT, Hammer Attila wrote: Hy, Canonical publicate some exciting articles with future awailable Ubuntu phones and tablets related. Some links: 1. http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/tablet The Ars Technica article this topic related: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/02/ubuntu-for-tablets-arriving-on-nexus-7-nexus-10-this-week/ 2. http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone Future with this devices (Nexus 7/Nexus 10 tablets, and future awailable Ubuntu phones) possible using the special Ubuntu release with any a11y tools, for example visual impaired users possible using anyway this devices with Orca Screen Reader? As usual with anything newly released by Canonical showing some new interface, all I can say is that I would really like to get Orca working with this, but at this point I cannot promise anything. I don't work on accessibility full time, and given that the accessibility tools and stack don't support working with touch interfaces yet, it is unlikely there will be anything working any time soon. At this point, my focus is on making sure we have an accessible desktop for 14.04. If I can find time to make the tablet and phone interface work better with accessibility, I will do what I can. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: virtualbox in 12.04 refuses to install a guest
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:16:19PM GMT, Christopher Chaltain wrote: Are you running VirtualBox on a 64-bit system? If so, you might have to install the 32-bit version of the QT accessibility library. I don't have the command handy, but I believe it's the i386 version of the qt-at-spi package. sudo apt-get install qt-at-spi:i386 Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Call for testing, at-spi2-core 2.6.3 for Ubuntu 12.10.
Hey folks, This is a call for testing of at-spi2-core 2.6.4 for 12.10 updates. The update is in quantal-proposed now, and needs testing so that it can be let thorugh to quantal-updates. Please read https://launchpad.net/bugs/1099275 for instructions on how to get the proposed upate and test. Thanks. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: LibreOffice menu accessibility
On Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 03:57:25AM EST, Nolan Darilek wrote: If I pull up the LibreOffice Writer to view a Word document, I can't seem to open any menus. Alt alone brings up the HUD. F10, as well as Alt-f, Alt-t, etc. do nothing. LibreOffice is one of those special case apps that requires specialized code to be written to put its menu bar into the global menu and make it searchable by the HUD. Unfortunately this code is still very buggy, particularly when it comes to keyboard access. I can certainly reproduce the problems you are having, and can use Alt F10 to open the menu bar, but cannot arrow through menus, since whenever I arrow to a menu item, it gets automatically activated. I believe keyboard bugs have been filed against the relevant package that manages the global menu bar support for LibreOffice, however I am not sure what package is responsible for this, it may be LibreOffice itself though. I think the only wayh to work around this properly is to run LibreOffice under an alternate shell. There may also be a way to disable the global menu support for LibreOffice, but I am not sure how this could be done. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Accessibility of kde
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 03:31:24AM EST, Tom Masterson wrote: What is the current state of accessibility with kde? In either 12.04 or 12.10. I believe that there is still much to be done. Some individual applications range from working well to not working at all, but I believe the KDe shell is certainly still not accessible. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Orca is extremely broken
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 05:28:01PM EST, Nolan Darilek wrote: How do I debug this? I get that accessibility of 12.10 isn't guaranteed, but it seems silly that it should work fine, then break utterly with no apparent cause. I'd be interested to know if this problem regularly appears after a restart, and then suspend/resume again. I was using 12.10 all of last week during UDS, and suspended and resumed regularly, with no ill effects with Orca usage and capslock. I also wonder whether capslock and insert behave normally under normal circumstances on the hardware you have. If this has only recently started occurring, there is every chance that an update has broken something slightly somewhere, in which case I can only advise trying a live CD and suspending/resuming with the live CD, and observing behavior post resume. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: UDS session on Accessibility
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 04:56:02AM EST, Alan Bell wrote: The Ubuntu Developer Summit is where the development activities for the next 6 months are planned, the next one is next week in Copenhagen. There is an hour session dedicated to accessibility, this is currently scheduled to be on Monday at 12:00 CET (time may change) the link to the session details page is here: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/meeting/21359/desktop-r-accessibility/ there will be streaming audio for the session This blueprint is mostly focusing on GNOME bits, particularly themes. I have recently created another blueprint, which has a lot to do with the move to try and get ubuntu working on the Nexus 7 this cycle. I am not sure if it will make it onto the schedule yet, but feel free to subscribe and follow along: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-accessibility-touch-gestures Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Ubuntu 12.10
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 01:48:38AM EST, sunny p o wrote: I have installed Ubuntu 12.10. Libreoffice 3.6 in this operating system have many problems. There fore This is not accessible for blinds. It is recommended that you use 12.04 LTS instead. The accessibility team does not have enough resources to make sure every release of Ubuntu is as accessible as it can be, so the team only focuses on the LTS releases. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Accessible login stopped working
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 01:04:32AM EST, Nolan Darilek wrote: As of a couple days ago, Orca stopped launching at my login screen. I don't immediately see anything in /var/log/lightdm when I grep for orca, other than an error from Oct. 11. Nothing from my most recent launches. I'm wondering if whatever configuration file that launches Orca on login might have gotten trashed? Where should I find this file? I see no mention of orca in /usr/share/XSessions. Should I? The login greeter uses GSettings to store its configuration, and its home directory is /var/lib/libhtdm. And has anyone else experienced this? I'm on 12.10 and am regularly applying updates. Accessibility works as well as it always has once I'm logged in, but I'd very much like it back at my login screen. Have you tried pressing Control + S a few times to turn the screen reader option off and on? Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: inaccessible ubiquity
I direct you all to http://launchpad.net/bugs/1056300. Thats where the bug was originally filed, and thats where the actino is. YOu may also be interested in following the progress of the upstrea GTK bug too. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=685453 Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Will be ship Quantal with Liblouis 2.5.0 or 2.5.1 release? Very important packaging a new version to works Orca with contracted braille feature in Ubuntu 12.10.
On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 01:06:22AM EST, Samuel Thibault wrote: Hello, Alan Bell, le Fri 28 Sep 2012 08:58:27 +0100, a écrit : looks like this is 2.4.1 in Debian too http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/liblouis so this is more than a sync request from debian I have just uploaded 2.5.1 into debian experimental. Quantal will not be getting 2.5.1. Quantal is now in hard freeze, and any new upstrea release request will not be approved at this late stage. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: 12.10 accessibility
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 04:01:42AM EST, Christopher Chaltain wrote: I wouldn't consider 12.04 to be a release behind 12.10, especially if you're going to move up to 12.04.1 and 12.04.2 and so on. 12.04 is an LTS release and will be supported for five years. 12.10 will only be supported for 18 months. I'm not saying you shouldn't want to move up to 12.01. I'm just saying that these are different releases with different conditions, so I wouldn't consider one to be behind the other. It depends on what you plan to do with this install. I'd also like to add that since unity 2D is no longer available from 12.10 and beyond, there is somewhat of a regression in desktop accessibility and usability. There will be efforts made to fix this, but our timeframe is the next LTS. In fact, due to the accessibility team's limited resources, we will only be targeting LTS releases so far as overall desktop usability and polish goes. There are far too few developers working on accessibility, and there is far too much to cover and ensure a deacent experience in a 4 month time frame. I say 4 months, because thats approximately how long we have per cycle for feature development, and rest assured most of the functionality work required for better accessibility is not considered a bug fix. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: compiling latest orca from master
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 06:58:24AM EST, Guy Schlosser wrote: This is the exact same error message that I am getting. Exactly as Andy described, whenever I do autogen.sh on the orca folder it says that at-spi2 needs to be 2.5.2 but 2.4.2 is installed. I now have no speech since I compiled 2.5.2 without error. Help!!! Is there something in Orca master that you absolutely want to use? Bare in mind that the master branch in orca git only works using python 3, and in order to use Orca on python 3, you also need to make sure all Orca's python dependencies are set up to be used with python 3 as well. Either way, whether it be git master, or the Orca 3.6 git branch, you do need a newer at-spi, which again brings me back to asking whether you really need to run the latest and greatest. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: pulseaudio device chooser
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 04:15:03PM EST, Peter Vágner wrote: Is there a way to do this with ubuntu 12.04 if yes can you give me some advices? It appears package padevchooser is not available for ubuntu 12.04. Use pavucontrol, padevchooser has long since been deprecated. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] Congratulations Joanie!
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:40:55AM EST, Janina Sajka wrote: On your election to the GNOME Board of Directors! http://lwn.net/Articles/502910/ I must confess it makes me feel just a bit more hopeful for accessibility in this environment! grin This is wonderful news! Congratulations! LUke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Orca 3.4.2 available for testing in Ubuntu precise proposed.
Hey folks, Its that time again. I'm putting out a call for testing to help verify that orca 3.4.2 is in a fit state for general release in precise-updates. You can find more information about how to enable the precise-proposed repository in the launchpad bug for this update, https://launchpad.net/bugs/999399. Please follow the instructions given there, adn report back to the bug with your testing results. Thanks in advance. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
at-spi2-core 2.4.2 available for testing in Ubuntu precise proposed.
Hey folks, As per Orca, at-spi2-core 2.4.2 is available for testing in Ubuntu precise proposed. Instructions on how to enable and test packages from precise-proposed are found in the relevant launchpad bug, https://launchpad.net/bugs/999404. Please test and leave feedback in the bug. Thanks. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] More on desktop shells, 2D vs 3D, and the future.
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 03:49:35AM PDT, Andy B. wrote: In Windows, my graphics card is listed as Intel HD Graphics family video adaptor For some reason I can't get the exact model. What would need to be done to support 3d graphics? I'd need to know your CPU or motherboard modelsw and the age of your machine, but at a guess, 3D graphics should just work in Linux using the Intel X driver. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Ubuntu 12.10 and beyond, Unity 2D will no longer be maintained.
Hi all, So as some of you may have heard, Canonical has plans to stop maintaining unity 2D in future development cycles. This makes sense because spending double the resources trying to keep 2 desktops in feature parity is a lot of work, and those resources can be used much better elsewhere. The downside of course, is accessibility. Unity 3D accessibility still needs some work to get to feature parity with Unity 2D, but once this work is done, it shouldn't be a problem keeping things working in the future. So, i will be working on improving Unity 3D accessibility in the future development cycles. I am not going to promise that it will be done by 12.10, although I would like it to be, but thats not my goal. My goal is to get Unity 3D accessibility ready for 14.04 LTS. I feel that unless you really understand how to get set up, and unbreak your system, and deal with accessibility bugs, you should stick to the ubuntu LTS releases. Once Vinux 4 gets released, there will be a distro based on Ubuntu LTS, that will be kept up to date with all the latest in accessibility fixes, so that you don't need to keep updating to the interim Ubuntu releases, and risk breaking your usable system. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu 12.10 and beyond, Unity 2D will no longer be maintained.
On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 02:58:25PM PDT, Alex Midence wrote: Hi, Luke, Do you or, for that matter, any of the other members on this list know if the terminal is accessible from Unity 3d? yes, GNOME terminal is accessible from Unity 3D, assuming the shortcut to load GNOME terminal is set and working, i.e press Control + Alt + T to load the terminal. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
