I believe I have this issue with my AO722 on quantal, though my symptoms
are a little different as I have a cryptsetup root, so I never get to
the passphrase prompt. I do typically get a black screen on first boot,
but can ctrl-alt-del, and boot proceeds normally the second time
through.
My
Thanks. I did try it and it didn't do anything for my symptoms,
unfortunately; I'm probably barking up the wrong tree.
The comments in this bug did prompt me, however, to try blindly typing
my passphrase in to unlock the drive, which worked, surprisingly. And
with that, once X starts, the
@jsalisbury, do you need more testing for this bug? I have an
AO722-0828 on amd64 which appears to be exhibiting this same problem
(see http://www.alsa-
project.org/db/?f=656cead6d2465a600aad164f140dae2303118882); wasn't sure
whether I should use the kernel in the 64bit-patched directory of your
Public bug reported:
The version of gnome-shell-extensions in quantal is not installable:
matt@pitch:~$ sudo apt-get install gnome-shell-extensions
[sudo] password for matt:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not
@Norbert: I know, I am the original bug reporter after all ;-)
I do not know if the amd64 tag is appropriate, though. This is not an
amd64-specific bug; I'm seeing it on my Atom netbook.
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lucid did, in fact, use -o filenames for its version of that for loop
(line 1529).
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@jrtokarz: I originally installed Adobe Reader from the partner
repository... is there another package I'm missing?
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Title:
tab completion no
First screenshot here shows Monitor Preferences. I believe the
netbook's small panel is primary.
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This screenshot shows the logo button (previously obscured) and also a
maximized Firefox window. You can see how the Global Menu bar looks in
this case. The Unity panel has hidden itself for the maximized Firefox,
as expected.
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Disclaimer: incomplete understanding follows :-)
I seem to recall that, in past versions (lucid and maverick at least),
if you expanded your desktop, desktop effects would be switched off for
that session, probably by replacing compiz with metacity? Shadows and
desktop effects did go away.
This
It's working for me now too, but neither bash nor bash-completion were
updated, and /etc/bash_completion.d is mostly full of files from April 4
(I installed from beta2 media). What happened?
I hesitate to mark fixed without understanding how.
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Despite bug 769866 looking inexplicably fixed today, this is still not
working on my system (yet still does work on lucid), using the sudo
mount testcase. mount does work without sudo, though the command
itself fails obviously (only root can do that). :-)
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In maverick, lucid, and other even way older releases, I could use tab
completion on a filename with characters with special meaning to the
shell (e.g. spaces):
matt@lemmankinan:/tmp/complete-test$ ls
File with spaces.txt
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Confirming originally reported behavior. Also see bug 769866 for other
bash completion failures in natty, which include what @Tim Frost is
talking about in comment 2.
** Changed in: bash (Ubuntu)
Status: New = Confirmed
** Summary changed:
- bash doesn't provide auto-completion more
+
Confirming based on comment 2 in bug 742041.
** Changed in: bash (Ubuntu)
Status: New = Confirmed
** Tags added: regression-release
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On my Asus 1000HE netbook, adding a second monitor using the Monitors
panel makes Unity run unusably slowly. I speculate this is because it
seems to be running entirely in software.
It works fine if I disable the internal panel and exclusively
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Switched to Unity 2D from Unity 3D to try to solve the problem of slow
performance in dual-head mode. Was using 3D on a monitor connected to
my Asus 1000HE's VGA port. Once 2D was running, added back the
netbook's LCD panel.
The Unity panel
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Using the natty alpha2 ISO, was trying to install onto an Asus Eee PC
1000HE.
Seemed to be working OK but I went into the manual partitioner to set up
btrfs and the bottom of the window is cut off—right below the dropdown
to select where to
Yeah, I don't know which devices do and don't work offhand, but I do
know for a fact (again, I double-checked this, in case things had
changed since I last tried it back when I opened this bug originally)
that the LifeDrive *requires* the visor module. It's just a matter of
which Palm devices the
@PascalCavy: unfortunately, libusb (a.k.a. PILOTPORT=usb:) is not an
option for all devices. I did just try it again, and was not able to
start a sync. LifeDrive in particular was unsupported in libusb mode by
pilot-link a few years ago, and I believe other Palms had similar
issues:
Looking at GNOME Bugzilla, it seems modem-manager has a blacklist that
includes Palm devices (the lsusb log someone posted matches my
LifeDrive.) Has anyone tested maverick with this yet? Wondering if it
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This seems very similar to the bug I'm experiencing, on an Asus Eee PC
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I can get out of it with magic SysRq R-E.
If it is, in fact, the same, we can at least drop the amd64 tag.
[ 9960.352098] INFO: task i915:246 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
[ 9960.352110] echo 0
Removing the last line,
au GUIEnter * set lines=50 columns=80
works around this problem.
I wonder if it has to do with the fact that a 50-line gvim window won't
necessarily fit on my netbook screen; the window is necessarily
downsized to 40 lines.
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Just discovered this one in the past few weeks.
My typical usage pattern with vim is to have a gnome-terminal window
open and issue 'gvim filename' at the shell. (I'm using vim-gnome.)
Now, when I do this, I get a gvim window with an invisible
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html5lib 0.90 broke etree support; the parser returns None instead of a
document. A patch is available upstream, which I tested locally.
The bug is described here:
http://code.google.com/p/html5lib/issues/detail?id=138
The diff is available here:
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This *appears* to be fixed in lucid (2.6.32-16).
I was shocked to find it completed when I tried it today, so I tried it
four more times (using pilot-xfer -b each time to pull a complete new
backup), and had no system problems.
No longer seeing visor ttyUSB0: visor_unthrottle - failed submitting
Confirming with my 32GB iPod Touch 3G on 3.1.2, including the workaround
in comment #5.
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Oh, sorry, forgot to mention: I'm on lucid. gtkpod is 0.99.14-2ubuntu4,
libgpod4 is 0.7.90git20100216-0ubuntu3.
** Summary changed:
- Crashes when syncing to 64gb iPod Touch 3.1.3 - transfers files but crashes
before database is written
+ gtkpod crashes when syncing db on iPod Touch if
vmc: or, they might still be in /var/cache/apt/archives as well, a very
common trick I use for downgrades.
I pulled 1ubuntu4 builds for all the above packages I listed, installed
them, logged out/in and gnucash is again exhibiting severe UI slowdown.
Downgrading once again to 1ubuntu2 fixed the
Pavel: For the nautilus issue, there's bug #523954.
I'm not sure where the decorations bug is, if there is one; but it
actually breaks (the admittedly really hacky) Firefox Echofon extension,
making it more or less impossible to use as it seems to be impossible to
deliver close/etc. events to it.
Another bit of fallout I think is related: the Firefox Echofon extension
(for Twitter) now has a frame drawn around its popup that ignores all
events sent to it, making the extension useless.
Echofon is *really* hacky, though, as I gather--it's had a number of
focus issues on various platforms
vmc: try
cd /var/cache/apt/archives
sudo dpkg -i gtk2-engines-pixbuf_2.19.5-1ubuntu2_i386.deb
libgail18_2.19.5-1ubuntu2_i386.deb libgail-common_2.19.5-1ubuntu2_i386.deb
libgtk2.0-0_2.19.5-1ubuntu2_i386.deb libgtk2.0-bin_2.19.5-1ubuntu2_all.deb
libgtk2.0-common_2.19.5-1ubuntu2_all.deb
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Sometime between the last time I used gnucash (February 8) and today, it
has started responding very slowly to keypresses in (at least) the
register. I can see it maxing out the CPU if I leave top running and
start typing a formula into an
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This is even weirder... even the autocomplete is having extra characters
added to it now?
I have a category Expenses:Discretionary:Dining Entertainment.
I typed Ex:Dis:Din and press Tab.
I'm asked if I want to create a new category Dinning Entertainment
-- two 'n's. There's literally no way
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Might be related to bug #523949 -- the problem I mentioned with
autocomplete is particularly weird since this Dinning seems to be part
of my autocomplete history even if I type slowly.
** This bug has been
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 523949 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/523949
Downgrading libgtk and friends solved the problem. Marking dup. Sorry.
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2.19.5-1ubuntu2 is sufficient for a downgrade workaround. To avoid
breakage, downgrade all of
gtk2-engines-pixbuf
libgail18
libgail-common
libgtk2.0-0
libgtk2.0-bin
libgtk2.0-common
gnucash and pidgin also suffer from this. gnucash in particular doesn't
cope well, dropping, duping, and
Yeah, this was probably a different package's problem, I'm not sure
which, and can't figure out which... but it is also now working for me
as well. I'll mark g-p-m as invalid, seems like the right thing to
do...
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If the track name is too long (what constitutes too long is
uncertain), sound-juicer will not rip it, silently skipping the track.
If a terminal is open, the following warning appears:
** (sound-juicer:4191): WARNING **: Cannot get file
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Spotted this after my recent alpha 2 install on my Asus EeePC 1000HE.
If I boot it up on battery, the battery icon shows full and on AC.
In an attempt to actually see what my remaining charge was, I did a cat
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FWIW, I've been testing lucid, and there seems to be caching of the menu
now that makes this a non-issue for me.
There are some issues with the cache not being refreshed properly on
occasion, but that is a separate problem. :)
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I'm not able to comment on this bug anymore. I had a hardware failure
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Hopefully someone can confirm, if this bug in fact still exists.
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However, I did note that the powersave workaround was doing the trick
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Binary package hint: gnucash
On a typical netbook screen (600px tall), even with fonts already set to
a dpi of 72, GnuCash's scheduled transaction editor (Actions -
Scheduled Transactions - Scheduled Transaction Editor) renders too tall
and causes the window to jump up and
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Still a problem in 0.2.git.20091014t233208.16f3e00-0ubuntu1 on lucid.
Still work-aroundable by apt-get purge modemmanager; sudo killall modem-
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stopped subscribing some time ago since I wasn't actually losing my
connection anymore) that lucid with 2.6.32 does indeed seem to be good
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Binary package hint: zsnes
SIGSEGV can be caused by pressing d-pad up on either of two gamepads I
have here.
Both gamepads show up on /dev/input/js0 and work fine with jstest from
the joystick package.
Might be an SDL problem?
m...@sampo:~$ gdb zsnes
GNU gdb (GDB)
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Binary package hint: gdm
gdm is crashing if I
1. input the wrong password
2. re-click my username to try again
No password prompt appears the second time.
I'm using an ecryptfs home directory.
[ 193.047774] gdm-simple-slav[1311]: segfault at 28 ip 006e06ef sp bfa3bc40
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Binary package hint: software-center
I was using software-center to install GnuCash on my lucid installation.
With 18-hour-old package lists, I was greeted 3% in (past loading
software list, IIRC) with a dialog informing me a number of untrusted
packages would need to be
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I'm not sure if this is productive or not, but I've been trying to
recompile the i915 drm module with changes from the kernel bug, using
Martin Pitt's procedure at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild#line-10, plus an update-
initramfs because I was under the impression that was necessary
This behavior seems to also trigger after using the Display control
panel. I had done some switching around to try to set up dual-head on
my Eee PC 1000HE, and am now noticing the flickering.
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I am wondering if this is similar to problems I have had in karmic.
Often, I could get them to work by doing a modprobe of the relevant
module.
i.e. if my USB mouse wasn't working, I could press Alt-F2 and type
gksudo modprobe usbhid
or if a USB Flash drive, Alt-F2 gksudo modprobe
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This might be related to the fact that I have two IRC accounts set up in
empathy, but I have been getting duplicate and out-of-order messages
from NickServ (NickServ exists on both servers) and other users of IRC
servers (who do not exist
Software Center is working again with version 1.1.5, from today's
updates.
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rusart: this bug is for Atheros wireless (specifically ath9k), not
RaLink.
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I've finally got around to testing backports-modules-wireless. Tonight
I've been getting fairly good results, but I get occasional pauses of a
few seconds a few times every hour on my ssh session. Doesn't drop,
though.
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No, turning compiz off does not fix the problem. Verified just this
morning.
(glad mine doesn't take 25 seconds at least)
** Summary changed:
- Gnome menu is slow when clicking for the first time
+ GNOME Main Menu panel applet slow to open on first click (NOT compiz
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Just wanted to note that this is still a problem on 2.6.31-14.47; I can
do a quick sync of my Palm but a complete backup will hang at the end.
I have backports 2.6.31-14.16 installed as well since I'm also
occasionally testing ath9k.
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I did for about an hour last night—first time off ndiswrapper since my
last report—had no trouble. I didn't think it was worthy of report yet,
though, since the sample was so short.
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Man, it's been ages since I've used minicom. :)
I cleared the init and reset strings from the config first, left all
other settings at default. In turn, I tested both ttyUSB0 (which is the
HotSync port) and ttyUSB1. I believe the latter is used for serial
applications... it might possibly not
I have no idea about the timing of daily builds, but I'd think it'd be
available by now, since the package has been out nearly three days.
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Looks like I spoke too soon. Left it asleep all night and on resume it
was back to its old tricks.
Sorry if I got anyone excited. :)
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@Fabus: I imagine not. The new packages weren't yet in my update last
night.
Check
dpkg --status initramfs-tools | grep ^Version
as well as for udev and usplash and confirm your versions.
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Seems to, based on a few hours of use each night for two or three nights
now. And I just updated to 10.35 this morning which still seems okay.
That's why I'm curious how everyone else is doing.
Again, no patches, replacement of NetworkManager, backports, etc. are in
play.
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Did this get fixed already, or worked around? I updated this morning,
saw some sysv etc. updates and kernel 10.35, and have booted twice
without nomodeset now without incident.
By the way, when I did have the problem, it was particularly troublesome
on my Eee PC 1000HEB, because it apparently
By way of update, I am seeing a few dis/reassociations in the dmesg:
[ 2256.008126] wlan0: no probe response from AP 00:15:e9:13:47:60 -
disassociating
[ 2257.391225] wlan0: authenticate with AP 00:15:e9:13:47:60
[ 2257.394249] wlan0: authenticated
[ 2257.394262] wlan0: associate with AP
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The recent update of libvte seems to have broken gnome-terminal's
ability to clear to mutt's dark background, over an ssh session with
TERM=xterm.
mutt (running on hardy) will start up on a white screen, drawing text on
dark backgrounds as it updates various portions of the
Jason et al,
I was talking about this driver over at eeeuser's forums a bit and
decided to swap it back in a couple nights ago. I feel like I haven't
had a lot of testing, but it hasn't failed me yet, and it's completely
unpatched... I'm not even using backports.
Version: 2.6.31-10.34
I wonder
Confirming and changing bug subject.
Not sure how to tag as a regression? Maybe I can't :)
** Changed in: vte (Ubuntu)
Status: New = Confirmed
** Summary changed:
- latest update no longer clears to dark background for mutt
+ [regression] clear does not respect color, instead clearing
This should probably at least be confirmed? Apologies if I'm doing this
wrong.
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Status: New = Confirmed
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Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper wrote:
Matt, I'd totally settle for using ndiswrapper, but my attempts thus far
have failed miserably.
For this card:
01:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless
Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
Subsystem: Device 1a3b:1067
I'm using the
If you need a workaround, and you got Windows drivers with your system,
ndiswrapper. That's what I've been using and I've been waiting for good
news before going back to try. It works solidly.
I don't know how to get anyone's attention. LKML? There is a Linux bug
that I linked to this one.
Still a problem in karmic, surprise surprise? ;)
But I did want to add in response to comment #42 that I am not using
compiz.
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Gnome menu is slow when clicking for the first time
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/12040
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Using pilot-link, jpilot, et al. in conjunction with the visor module
(after applying my workaround in bug #421673) on kernel 2.6.31-9 and now
-10 to back up my LifeDrive will eventually time out and completely hang
the system, hard.
I've done this many times on other
** Attachment added: AlsaDevices.txt
http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31564623/AlsaDevices.txt
** Attachment added: BootDmesg.txt
http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31564624/BootDmesg.txt
** Attachment added: Card0.Amixer.values.txt
That appears to be the case, yes. I don't have the output handy, and
would have to reinstall the package to capture it, but while in recovery
mode, I connected my LifeDrive, the visor module allocated ttyUSB0 and
ttyUSB1 to it, verified the LifeDrive was operating properly. I then
ran
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Status: New = Confirmed
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[karmic] visor module crashes PalmOS handhelds (tested: LifeDrive, CLIÉ)
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/421673
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Based on some Web research, it seems that the proper way these days to
use modern Palms with jpilot, pilot-link et al. is to set them to use
the usb: device then let udev (?) link the two up, skipping the visor
module entirely. I think I missed out on this because the visor module
has always
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