Sorry for spamming you guys, but is there any updates on the ubuntu-
document-templates package?
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"Create Document" Templates difficult to
As a long-year Ubuntu and Linux Mint user, I always used to think this
Create New Document menu was a work in progress. Since it is not an
indispensable functionality, it seemed reasonable that this would be
broken. But reading this bug report made me feel sad about it. Why on
earth should it be
One solution that comes to mind would be to add an option to the bottom
of the Create New Document menu called Create New Template. Here,
the user could choose from a list of document types such as LibreOffice
Presentation, LibreOffice Spreadsheet, etc. I'm not sure how the
available template
Echoing comment #63, it's annoying installing Ubuntu, a full-featured
desktop OS, to find that there's no document templates available. I'd
much rather not have it at all than to have something that you have to
actually create the templates yourself.
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This bug affects me as well! No resume templates, no letter heading,
nothing.
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 08:02, Joel Pickett jlkpc...@gmail.com wrote:
Echoing comment #63, it's annoying installing Ubuntu, a full-featured
desktop OS, to find that there's no document templates available. I'd
much
This bug is more than two years long, and still nothing has been done.
Maybe we forgot that the main focus of Ubuntu is to be simple and
intuitive. In this light, the empty Create Document menu is
frustrating for standard and new users (and even for advanced users, as
it seems according to many of
I don't have time to work on this, sorry.
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mpt, is there anything happening with this?
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Personally I do not see any resolution to this stand off given what appears to
me to be narrow-mindedness, coupled with some fear of redundancy in UX.
A simple quote;
A paper cut is a trivially fixable usability bug that the average user would
encounter in default installation of Ubuntu or
This is annoying: I have a bunch of python scripts in directories in my
home folder, and they all appear in this menu, for some reason.
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This is the third iteration of 100 paper cuts for this bug and still no
consensus.
The initial bug report assessed something quite simple. The present
design of the Templates is not user-friendly, and Windows converted
users get confused. The obvious solution seemed to be the more useful
for
unassigning the bug for now since nobody in the team is working on it
and the design is still not really clear. The suggestion listed before
would lead ot a list of templates users could change which means it
wouldn't reflect the softwares an user runs but rather the one the
sysadmin decided to
Still needs-design
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I think Vish is right. Creating a new blank file and opening it with the
associated app is the same as just launching an app. That menu is not an
app launcher. The app launcher is elsewhere. Making this menu an app
launcher would introduce redundancy in UX.
This menu is made to hold user
I feel compelled to give my 2cents: As an experienced computer user it
took me 3 years to figure out the meaning of the 'Template' folder in my
home directory (since I don't read manuals/documentation as nobody does
- except the developers when writing them) - see comment #53. Ok, I did
not really
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Wow! I didn't know what Templates directory is designed for until now!
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I would be happy if I was able to drop a shortcut or launcher into the
folder. Would this not be the easiest fix?
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bran10n, that is the present behavior. The problem is that no one knows
it.
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Yes I realise this. The problem is that these launchers don't open!
If this lack of 'action' remains, well I ask what will have been the point?
If by default I need to 'create new document' in the current folder I'm
browsing, then manually open that document and then possibly move it to the
It is very heartening to see this discussion continue. I assumed from
some of the responses that a decision in this regard had been reached,
and the umpires decision was final. Not so!
To the point, and as an early commenter on this I agree wholeheartedly
with Lonnie: 2009-11-12 and that
If each program provided its own template, then sooner or later, the
user will be facing a list of 20+ templates. This could easily be seen
to be an annoyance, and could actually render any work on templates
useless. I would like to suggest a simple utility which will enable the
user to select
As far as I can see there are the next few options:
1) Create a standard subsets of Templates (5) including the common
Openoffice files and some other.
2) Let the programs copy their templates to the Templates directory
3) Utility to manage templates
4) Utility to mediate in template creation
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Rather than creating a seperate package for templates, wouldn't it be
better to change the appropiate application packages to automatically
generate these filetypes? Ex. when OOo is installed OOo templates are
added during installation and the same happens for the GIMP or any other
(often-used)
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At the bare minimum Create Text Document should be a default template
that resides in the Create Document context-menu-item.
We must not let Microsoft beat Ubuntu in this regard (see attachment).
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Being true that one size doesn't fit all, one size does fit a majority
of people.
A small number of most common filetypes will fit most users. At least
the non-experts. If you know that a template folder exists and what it
is for, probably you will personalize it anyway.
This bug refers to a
Again... this solution is not the right approach. Fixing it as is being
done now , doesnt address the usability issue and we need to fix this
properly, these templates are not specific to the user , one size doesnt
fit all.
FWIW, I'v filed a bug upstream
Not sure which templates to add?
First and most important to most desktop users - office related templates:
OpenOffice equivalents of word, excel powerpoint of course. Both the
OpenOffice and MS Office installers add these templates on Windows. So a patch
to add this functionality to the Linux
fig_wrigth, see bug 285998 if that is what you experienced.
There are several problems regarding templates right now:
- there are no default templates (see this bug 372132 )
- the right click menu is pointless by default right now
- there is no obvious way to make it useful
-- (like an click
The fact that this sorry argument has been going on is good evidence
that the Linux community still doesnt fully get it. Users dont expect
to have to create their own templates and put them in the right place.
They just expect them *to be there*. It's really not a big dealt to have
~15 or so
Ha-ha! OK, I got frustrated and did track down the fix. What did I find?
Well, on my system the default Templates location wasnt even
~Templates, it was just ~
To fix it:
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sudo gedit /home/username/.config/user-dirs.dirs
then edit this line
XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR=$HOME
to
I discussed several design possibilities with Sebastien. We reached the
following consensus:
1. Ship all templates in an ubuntu-document-templates package. Iniitally this
will have templates for .odt and .ods.
+ Easy to uninstall templates package
+ existing MIME applications will
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the suggested solution seems good to me too
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+1
From another user's perspective (have been using Ubuntu since 8.04),
I've never worked out how to add . I have always been confused as to why
there were no default options.
I don't see the big deal in having a longish list - you could have
'create oggcast' and 'create video' there too -
as we discussed
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Might I suggest this:
Create a ~/Templates folder by default (by placing it in /etc/skel), and
populate it with symbolic links to new template files located at
/usr/share/default-templates (this is a new directory, and files in
here do not show up as templates by default, unlike
the previous comment suggestion has already been discussed but it's an
issue because non desktop users don't want they directory to be
cluttered with desktop templates and server guys etc refused to do such
changes
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we discussed the topic on IRC again yesterday, some notes:
* where to ship the templates?
- in each application? in which case you can easily have duplicate office
templates for openoffice and abiword for example
- in a template package? it's easy to install but lack granularity, what to do
if
By the way it seems like lots of users have an empty but visible
~/Templates these days. It would be nice if nautilus explained what
that's for when you browse inside it to at least give a clue in that
context.
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That's what I wanted to say in a comment on a duplicate of this bug:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/387655/comments/12
The top bar of nautilus (like used in Trash) should explain what this folder is
about.
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having a cluebar about how to use the folder would be nice, that would
be a different issue than adding default template though it might be
time to create different bugs there
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there is now
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Karmic/NautilusDocumentTemplates
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If I understood this right,The proposed solution is,Just drop empty
files from various apps in the templates folder?
Dropping the empty files in templates folder , just to add them to the
list is *blatant abuse* of Templates .
*Templates are supposed to be user or company specific* , something
I agree that hiding the command is better than the current experience.
However, I disagree that there is any kind of abuse in dropping in
empty documents. I think this is a totally fine discoverability
mechanism, and some users might use it. If users expect to be able to
create empty documents
After looking at the current behaviour of the Create Document command I
tend to agree with mac_v, in that users want to work with new documents,
not just create them and leave them sitting there. Couldn't we change
the way the command works so that it opens a new document within the
associated app
mac_v didn't take care of one thing: when I'm browsing with nautilus,
and I am in a directory, if I want to create a new document inside it,
I will use the templates menu, and I will create the file INSIDE that
folder. This is the real gain of templates.
If instead of creating the file, the
@Nicolò Chieffo :
NO, Maybe i wasnt clear, I was suggesting that the new file would be opened
in the location where the user chooses,
But only enters the file name , when the user selects Save .
So the user only saves to the directory where he had selected to open the new
document.
The path
As a recent ubuntu convert I can honestly say that the current behavior
of Create Document is completely useless. How often do regular users
want to create an Empty File? At a minimum templates should be
installed for creating:
1. OO Word Processor file
2. OO Spreadsheet
3. Text File (to replace
While I understand the concerns about every app in the world sticking
things in that folder, I think it makes sense that applications that are
installed by default in the standard distro should have some basic
templates also installed by default in the Templates folder. That would
imply that some
I'll recommend some default file types to solve this problem for Ubuntu.
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rick note that the issue is not only a matter of shipping templates,
nautilus has no system directory it can use right now for templates, the
code need to be changed to support that which is something upstream
argued several times again and will not be doing
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again - against
the issue has been discussed on http://mail.gnome.org/archives/nautilus-
list/2008-June/msg00139.html
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.nautilus/3745 for example
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bug 126056 (relict of 2007) has been marked as a duplicate of this.
while i appreciate that something seems to happen here, the xdg-user-
dirs history of this bug should not be forgotten. there are some other
problems with these...
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This is a duplicate of bug 126056. Some templates that could be included
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could the design team do recommendation on what they would suggest to
change to get that papercut solved?
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I think what bra10n is proposing could make an interesting topic for a
longer discussion but that it is in fact a slightly different thing.
In my case, the goal of right click, create whatever-document is to
create a document in that particular folder. If you have a complicated
folder hierarchy,
Firstly I don't want to derail this discussion in any way as some good
points have been made.
However as a relative newcomer to Ubuntu this was one of the first shortfalls I
noticed. Taking Gorka Navarrete's post at the top a little further, I don't see
the point of creating a new document only
I agree with Sancho. This is definitely a paper cut.
The risk-of-tons-of-useless-items-in-template-menu is really NOT justified
IMHO, compared to the bad user experience it gives, as reported here.
I can testify the same with user used to this behavior and bothered.
It's really not a big deal to
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Please also have a look at the comments in Bug #387655, thanks.
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