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I've reported two new bugs:
Unity at Bug #773037
Nautilus at Bug #773039
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I've reported two new bugs:
Unity at Bug #773037
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Added unity to the list. When you hover over the wastebucket icon in the
left hand corner, it says Trash
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El dt 30 de 11 de 2010 a les 17:24 +, en/na David Stansby va
escriure:
Added unity to the list. When you hover over the wastebucket icon in the
left hand corner, it says Trash
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Importance: Undecided
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Note that if we're talking about
Unity is already tracked in Bug #646669 .
Transmission is Bug #653529
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Fixed as per
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Closing Transmission task, as Bug #653529 has been un-duped and is
tracked separately now.
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El dg 10 de 10 de 2010 a les 14:08 +, en/na melat0nin va escriure:
This bug isn't entirely fixed - the tooltip for Rubbish Bin in the
Nautilus sidebar still says 'Open the wastebasket'.
We've dealt with the bulk of Wastebasket/Deleted Items translations now.
Apart from the ones from Unity
charles, It was marked fixed because the initial bug which was the issue here
was fixed.
The transmission task was added only 2weeks ago.
It is better to file new bug rather than creating metabugs.
If such metabugs are OK for the translations team, This bug will probably take
a while to fix,
Re-closing this ticket to avoid metabugs, and reopening bug #653529
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Reopening this ticket for ubuntu-translations to ask for confirmation
this is resolved for Transmission? Transmission's still listed on this
ticket as triaged rather than fix committed or fix released.
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There was also a reference to Deleted Items in the Unity sidebar in UNE,
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This bug isn't entirely fixed - the tooltip for Rubbish Bin in the
Nautilus sidebar still says 'Open the wastebasket'.
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To be fair I think the inconsistency with the the came about when I
was translating all of the original texts to Rubbish bin I kept a the
when it was a wordy text such Do you wish to send this to the Rubbish
Bin where as if it was an action/command Send to Rubbish Bin I missed
out the the. Could
The problem is that, Sent to Rubbish Bin and Empty Rubbish Bin sound
disjointed and robotic. It's not fair to compare it to trash because
Trash is what what goes in the bin (e.g. Empty Rubbish sounds OK).
Empty Rubbish Bin is understandable, it's just ugly.
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OK, I think my reference to the gnome HIG is a bit unfair over this
issue :-) [maybe a side-effect of replying at 3am on a Sat night :p ]
Because HIG is basically how the _default_ language style needs to be
written in Gnome UI and the default language is US English. So
everything else is just
Hi guys,
Please stick to the HIG with this. Deviating from it will introduce
ambiguities when translating the documentation. I should also point out
that this isn't a localisation issue, it's a stylistic one. We have this
terse style in UK English too (newspaper headlines use something
similar,
Hi everyone,
Thanks to everyone participating in the discussions and applying the
fixes, the original bug about inconsistent naming is now fixed. Good
work!
For any remaining issues such as the need to add an article to the
actions related to the Rubbish Bin, I'd recommend using the British
Thanks David for the update and thanks to everyone who has worked on
this! Hope we have caught every translation and that the updates come
through soon :).
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Looking nicely consistent now - see screenshot.
Thanks everyone.
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However whilst consistent, the previous wording on the applet was:-
Open the Wastebasket - Open Rubbish Bin
Empty the Deleted Items folder - Empty Rubbish Bin
Seems we've lost the the.
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I've added suggested translations in Launchpad including the missing
the in gnome-applets and there is already an existing one in Nautilus
(for the button that appears when you view the rubbish bin). I don't
have magic translation review powers so I can only suggest the change,
can someone go in
In US english it is Open Trash and Empty Trash , there is no the ,
why does UK English need extra the ?
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@vish, because it's grammatically correct ;) In the same way that we
use:- write to me where US English uses write me.
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@popey @Kazade,
Hi,
I've reviewed and 'saved' you're suggestions, they are correct as far as en_gb
is concerned, if there are any other instances where you find this please let
us know!
cheers
Ricey
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I would suggest *against* adding the for this. Menu items are not
about forming grammatically correct complete sentences.
HIG specifies not to overuse these http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdp-
style-guide/stable/grammar.html.en
Also, no other menu items use the/a unnecessarily.
Eg: nautilus
I concur with Vish: for menu items, the determiner 'the' should
typically be omitted. Here's a list of standard menus and menu items:
http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/menus-standard.html.en
None of the menu items listed contain determiners.
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Also, the two menu entries that appear when right-clicking the Rubbish
Bin applet still show Wastebasket and Deleted Items (see Alan's
comment #82)
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Just a follow up to my previous comment, both the strings are translated
in launchpad, just not yet packaged in gnome-applets.
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El dv 01 de 10 de 2010 a les 08:27 +, en/na Kazade va escriure:
Just a follow up to my previous comment, both the strings are translated
in launchpad, just not yet packaged in gnome-applets.
We're starting to build the final language packs today, so they should
be there in a few days and
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OK, I just emptied the Rubbish Bin and a confirmation window popped up
and asked me if I really wanted to empty the Trash. So, there are
obviously some strings still hiding.
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@Michael Fallows: Could you check/correct the two menu items for the
trash-applet that Alan has pointed out?
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Yes it has been changed in the source package (gnome-applets)
translations here
https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/gnome-
applets/+pots/gnome-
applets-2.0/en_GB/+translate?batch=10show=allsearch=wastebasket . Does
this need to be updated anywhere else to become an update
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Looks like there is still two inconsistencies. Nautilus uses trash:// as
the uri to the Rubbish Bin. Okay, accept that this is unlikely to be
easily changeable in the same way that one wouldn't change /home to
/дома or whatever. However the applet at the bottom of the screen still
has two entirely
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Michael Fallows ,Nice work!. Thanks for getting the fix committed.
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In the user guide (within Using Trash, Moving a File or Folder to
Trash and possibly more) need to be changed to using the new Rubbish
Bin wording rather then trash.
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Sorry just for clarification by user guide I meant the Gnome
Documentation that is found in Ubuntu - System - Help and Support.
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Updated gfvs and gnome-applets en-GB translations to Rubbish Bin also.
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Hey all!
I feel happy with (the) rubbish bin.
I have a small confesion.. about an hour ago changed all the wastebasket
entries in
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that were using the term
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Hello again,
I will (if it is OK with the mass consensus, don't want to upset the
group!) rename all wastebasket, deleted items etc to Rubbish Bin
tomorrow (I guess it is tomorrow (I need sleep!)) or Monday on the
Nautilus package even if its just a it will do for now fix?
Michael
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Hi Bruce,
Earlier, you said I'll see if I can get this done for GNOME 2.32, but I
don't promise anything. Thanks, but this is no good. You know exactly
what will happen: people will discuss the issue endlessly and no-one
will ever make a final decision. My top priority is sorting out the
I don't feel I have the authority to change the terminology without
asking at least the other members of the team. I attempted to send a
message to the gnome-uk list yesterday, but for some reason it doesn't
appear to have worked. I'll try again soon.
The thing that irks me is that Ubuntu decide
Bin is great for me, I am from finland and it sounds good for me, I am
speaking brittish and us english.
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Hi Bruce,
Yet again we at upstream were not consulted at all. Thanks for putting
yet another nail in the coffin of upstream collaboration.
I believe the best way to achieve collaboration is communication. As a
representative of upstream, you've been participating in this discussion
all along,
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 14:05 +, David Planella wrote:
If we all agree in the terminology though, and a) the change cannot be
adopted upstream for GNOME 2.32 due to lack of time; b) there are people
in Ubuntu willing to work on this, I'd can see no trouble in adopting a
pragmatic approach
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Please forgive my bluntness, I think a survey would be an unnecessary
act. It's a simple fact that in the UK, people will refer to it as the
bin, dustbin, rubbish bin or for something to be recycled recycle
bin or [put it in the] recycling which is less common.
In reply to Matthew Paul Thomas, it
and could somebody please change the title of this from 'localization'
to 'localisation' :D
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I new here,can anyone help me to know what is going on?
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I agree that its not needed.
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 4:50 PM, unforeseen
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and could somebody please change the title of this from 'localization'
to 'localisation' :D
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I think the problem is that no-one feels that they have the authority to
make a final decision. A survey would choose for us, but I agree that
it's a lot of messing around for little gain.
This bug is 44 comments long already. I say that we decide on rubbish
bin and just leave it at that. This
Personally, rubbish bin seems a little raw. But I suppose I could see
what gnome-uk thinks.
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Google Mail calls it Bin, short and simple. If that wouldn’t suit most
users, they would certainly choose another term.
Rubbish Bin or any other variation of [word] Bin seems too long and
specific.
Disclaimer: I’m not a native speaker. Just believing that design can (and
should) be measured
I think most native speakers are happy with either Bin or Rubbish
Bin. I'd personally prefer Bin (as I wouldn't really refer to deleted
files rubbish) but Rubbish Bin is fine if we are going with the
waste container metaphor. As mentioned above, gmail uses Bin and that
seems very natural.
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I think most native speakers are happy with either Bin or Rubbish
Bin. I'd personally prefer Bin (as I wouldn't really refer to deleted
files rubbish) but Rubbish Bin is fine if we are going with the
waste container metaphor. As mentioned above, gmail
Its bin on mine
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On 26/08/2010 12:01 a.m., Kazade wrote:
I think most native speakers are happy with either Bin or Rubbish
Bin. I'd personally prefer Bin (as I wouldn't really refer to deleted
files rubbish) but Rubbish Bin
On 25 August 2010 13:48, Cody C 406...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
Actually, I think gMail uses Trash, not Bin.
Not when configured to use UK English, which is what we are talking
about here.
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Trash is American usage. What gmail uses is dependant on your English
GB/US setting and here we are talking about GB.
I am in support of Mr Borchardt who said that anything bin is too long.
Just bin would be fine if you don't mind the .bin extension.
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On
About the .bin confusion:
No normal user should ever come upon a .bin file (or file extensions at all but
that’s a different story). Everyone that works with .bin files knows the
difference. So, where is the confusion?
@unforeseen: Compare how often .bin files come up in support cases vs.
how
I completely agree with you. I was just playing devil's advocate :)
Can we agree on Bin then? yes?
On 25 August 2010 14:57, Jan-Christoph Borchardt
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About the .bin confusion:
No normal user should ever come upon a .bin file (or file extensions at all
but that’s
We have the Doc team verdict! Can the Translations team get this fixed
for Maverick ?
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.bin extensions should be fine.
I don't know relevant here but what about /bin?
I wouldn't want any newbie to do a rm * -r -f /bin thinking he was clearing
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On 25 August 2010 21:57, Jan-Christoph Borchardt
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About the
Please, just go with Bin. The majority of native speakers in this
thread seem happy with it. Either go with Bin or do a survey (but I'm
almost positive the outcome of such a survey would be Bin).
Gmail uses Bin, and even Microsoft calls it the Recycle Bin in
Windows. Bin is the common GB term,
Phil asked if I could conduct a survey which I haven't formally done.
However I have taken the opportunity to pester just about everyone I
know in the real world and ask them a simple question or two. what's
that? (whilst pointing at a refuse container on the floor ;) ) . I also
asked what was the
I've sent a message to the gnome-uk list asking on thoughts about bin.
I'll see if I can get this done for GNOME 2.32, but I don't promise
anything.
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Please, just go with Bin. The majority of native speakers in this
thread seem happy with it. Either go with Bin or do a survey (but I'm
almost positive the outcome of such a survey would be Bin).
Gmail uses
Does anyone know how I can unsubscribe from this group?
Gary
dgar...@yahoo.com
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Hi folks,
This bug devolved into bikeshedding long ago. Consistency is the most
important consideration here, not the actual term that's used. It's
important that we make a choice and stick to it, ASAP. So, I'm sure that
alternative choices like bin would be just as good, and I'm sure
everyone
Yet again we at upstream were not consulted at all. Thanks for putting
yet another nail in the coffin of upstream collaboration.
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Hi Popey,
Would you mind organising a survey? It would probably be best to ask a
simple, non-leading question, e.g. What [do|would] you call the place
where files go when you delete them? Non-technical users would be more
valuable participants because they're the ones most likely to be
affected
Ryan,
Thanks for the clarification. I have launchpad set up, and I think
everything is good to go. How can I help with this bug?
- Bryant
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Bryant,
It was sent to the Docs team in general -- not you specifically.
Vish,
I'm new to the Ubuntu Docs group. I was just assigned this new task with you
guys, but I'm not sure how to get this started, or where to log in. I was
trying to find someone under the Ubuntu mentoring program. Any information
you could off I would appreciate!
- Bryant
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010
Bryant,
It was sent to the Docs team in general -- not you specifically. I'm new
also and was just as confused when I first got the email :)
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Vish,
I'm new to the Ubuntu Docs group. I was just assigned this new
Can I push for a decision on this ASAP, please? Not having a consistent
naming convention causes problems for people doing user assistance (docs
etc.), and this discussion has gone on for far too long. A native
British English speaker should make the decision; having a non-native
speaker decide
I'd be happy top help organise such a survey (also a brit).
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I think the general consensus among native British English speakers in
this report is that bin or rubbish bin are suitable terms. e.g.
Move to the rubbish bin, Empty the rubbish bin etc.
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@Phil , I had emailed Martin Meredith, a couple of weeks ago, to take a
decision on this bug. But havent heard back from him yet.
There seems to be no consensus on this. Let's just pick one and get this
fixed for Maverick :-)
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@Phil , I had emailed Martin Meredith, a couple of weeks ago, to take a
decision on this bug. But havent heard back from him yet.
There seems to be no consensus on this. Let's just pick one and get this
fixed for Maverick :-)
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@Phil , I had emailed Martin Meredith, a couple of weeks ago, to take a
decision on this bug.
But haven't heard back from him yet.
There seems to be no consensus on this. Let's just pick one and get this
fixed for Maverick :-)
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If anything was decided, I could probably get this fixed for GNOME 2.32.
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+ The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as
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Trash is a term very rarely used within the United Kingdom. It is very
common to called the items themselves rubbish in such a phrase as
this can belongs in the rubbish. In reference to the folder however,
as wikipedia[0] points out, in place of trashcan the British normally
use the term rubbish
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The delted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as
both Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted
Items' but the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is
also trash:/// in nautilus but this is possibly a
Please change the description back.
It's simply not true that the word 'trash' is in common use in UK
English for this context. It is a term from American English and is just
not appropriate in a GB translation.
I think that most people would agree that the OED is a reliable source of
You could say that the assertion that Trash is used in Britain is utter
rubbish.
Sorry.
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Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626
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