Hi Robbie, yes, I have an ATI/Radeon RV350 AS [Radeon 9550] graphics
card.
Possibly due to this, I can't boot normally; I lose the use of the
keyboard mouse at the sign-on stage have to use the restart button
do the following. (I submitted bug report #580755 on this, but I am the
only
Intel IGP here, Q33/Q45/Q43.
As I've stated in #543506, this affected 20 machines on the day that we
were due to send them to site; only the /dev/console work-around allowed
these machines to boot reliably, and start our application.
In those circumstances, try explaining to your boss why you
It occurs to me that if you want to force the /dev/console bug, it might be
as simple as adding console output to all the /etc/init/*.conf files.
If successful it could leave the installation unbootable, so I would
advise doing this in a disposable installation on a separate partition.
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Still trying to recreate...and failing. Is anyone seeing this with the
LATEST kernel, which is 2.6.32-24-generic (-pae if needed) #39...not
#38. Running a 'uname -a' will tell you if you have #39.
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#39.
I upgrade the Dual CPU Pentium 3 server (see comment 151, 162 and 195)
yesterday to test this, and it failed to enter runlevel 2:
$ runlevel
unknown
$ uname -a
Linux aa39.uk.fabit.net 2.6.32-24-generic-pae
John Edwards, thanks!
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Alas, I too am being regularly bitten by this bug. I have a fully up to
date version of Lucid, V10.04. Computer: mobo Asus M2N-SLI DELUXE,
nVidia chipset, CPU dual core Athlon 64, main memory 1GiB, video chipset
nVidia 7600GS, monitor 19-inch Hitach CM766ET CRT. Computer was built by
me in 2006,
Oops, hasty proofreading. In comment #208 of mine, the sentence:
This suggests that the Upstart job /etc/init/rc.rc-sysinit.conf is not
running.
should read:
This suggests that the Upstart job /etc/init/rc-sysinit.conf is not
running.
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I agree about Critical being the right category. Even people knowing the
workaround will have problems when they supervise a system where not
every user can sudo. Which would be EVERY system where some new user is
being helped by someone else (partner, friend, co-worker). This new
users will
I will third the Critical. Even though I was able to get it booting
quickly again reliably with one of the workarounds (thanks Mike and
others) it is disconcerting to me to know that it could just start doing
this again pretty much whenever. This is a server that we shipped out
to a client site
This bug is marked High in accordance to our guidelines:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance.
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I'm going to try and recreate this using a 32bit Ubuntu Server
installation. Can those experiencing the problem confirm that this
occurs on fresh installs, as well as upgrades? I need to determine if I
need to install 9.10 and upgrade, or just 10.04 directly.
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As a very average nonexpert user, I want to point out that I have been
switching to Windows for 2 months now, each time I wanted to print,
because I didn't have time to hunt for the forums. It is only a couple
of days ago that I got so frustrated with Lucid Lynx not printing, that
I finally found
Fresh and upgrades of 32bit lucid confirmed
I'm going to try and recreate this using a 32bit Ubuntu Server
installation. Can those experiencing the problem confirm that this
occurs on fresh installs, as well as upgrades? I need to determine if I
need to install 9.10 and upgrade, or just 10.04
I've had the issue on both fresh installs and upgrades from 9.10.
On 08/04/2010 04:38 PM, Phil Went wrote:
Fresh and upgrades of 32bit lucid confirmed
I'm going to try and recreate this using a 32bit Ubuntu Server
installation. Can those experiencing the problem confirm that this
occurs on
Also effected a server that was upgraded from Ubuntu 8.04 - see comments 151,
162 and 195:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/554172/comments/151
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/554172/comments/162
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/554172/comments/195
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Critical vs High
For example, if the system fails to boot, or X fails to start, on a
certain make and model of computer
This is not a certain make and model. It appears to be any make and
model. It also appears that it can occur almost spontaneously as a
response to even normally very benign
* Confirmed for fresh Lucid 64bit with amd dual and quad core machines.
* Not confirmed for fresh Lucid 32bit on old intel single core.
As suggested in
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/543506/comments/83
the problem was solved by removing console output in all
Thanks for the confirmation. Since it will make people happy, I'll
change to Critical, but please understand that doing this doesn't
trigger some sort of all points bulletin or ninja bug fixer squad to
jump on itas acting release manager, and lead of the Canonical team
responsible for the OS
One more question, does anyone affected by this bug NOT have an nvidia
graphics card, i.e. ATI/Radeon or Intel?
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The Dual CPU Pentium 3 server (see comment 151, 162 and 195) that has this
problem has a very old ATI Rage chipset on the motherboard:
$ runlevel
unknown
$ lspci | grep -i vga
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage XL AGP 2X (rev 27)
It does not enter
What? No Ninja's?
The Dell R200 dual core server I was using has a ATI ES1000 (Rage not
Radeon I guess). However, with the Dell Remote Administration Card,
output on the ATI is disabled and is instead sent through the DRAC. Not
sure what that means for you. Further, I did not install X at
The machine I had with the problem had a Radeon 4xxx card.
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I'll try to recreate on my laptop this week, which has an Intel card.
I'm currently away from my machine with nvidia, but will be home this
weekend...where I can do a recreate there as well. If possible, does
anyone have the time/resources to try and recreate with 10.10 Alpha 3,
which is
On Wed, Aug 04, 2010 at 11:15:32PM -, Robbie Williamson wrote:
I'll try to recreate on my laptop this week, which has an Intel card.
I don't understand all this concern about which video card is in the
machine.
The evidence is that if /sbin/init tries to write to /dev/console too
early,
On Tue, Aug 03, 2010 at 02:38:04AM -, Lindsay Barclay wrote:
... and for some reason it worked. It has been two days and I have done 10
cold restarts and cups has loaded each time. I can't explain it, ...
This bug, which at its base is unreliable boots where scripts in
/etc/init/*.conf and
I managed to eliminate this issue merely by commenting out all the
console output lines in the five init files mentioned above. What is
also interesting is this
I did not have any problems with this machine while it was on my desk.
I booted it countless times without problems while
. . .Could the lack of a monitor actually plugged into
the DRAC have anything to do with it (Dell Remote Administration Card)?
I would say yes. While working out that /dev/console was part of the
problem I did many boots with verbose turned on and could see that
order of the start-up
Hello Robbie,
If you plan to dive into this quagmire now you should have a look at bug
543506 as well (if you haven't already). It was marked a duplicate of this
one.
In 543506, Mike Bianchi posted some lines from his logs (May 26 email):
May 26 09:37:42 autoaud-broad1 init: Failed to spawn
On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 03:24:28AM -, Robbie Williamson wrote:
:
2) It has *something* to do with when lo0 is activated, i.e. a race condition
I disagree, it has something to do with not being able to write /dev/console.
See my analysis in bugs 581291 and 543506.
3) There are
Workarounds are hocus pocus and should not be distributed. They do not work
in all cases, so are at best an indicator of where to look for a developer.
Shouting even when frustrated does not solve problems faster. I will wait
patiently for a fix that works reliably, or use something else for the
On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 12:16:08PM -, Phil Went wrote:
Workarounds are hocus pocus and should not be distributed. They do not work
in all cases, so are at best an indicator of where to look for a developer.
Shouting even when frustrated does not solve problems faster. I will wait
I forgot about the /dev/console bit, thanks for the reminder. I did
recall an issue where /dev/console was being created, but not writable
at creation, which I believe would be a kernel bug. I will talk to our
plumbing and kernel developers this week to try and find the problem and
a proper fix
On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 03:58:54PM -, Robbie Williamson wrote:
I'm sorry if you disagree with the policy, but I feel it's a
good one to have and don't want to waste bug comment space defending it.
I made my argument and have been heard. My argument did not convince.
That's the way it is
I'll place this comment here with great trepidation. I've had this
problem for some time and I've been starting cups manually. I do not
have the skill to do the work arounds that have been suggested. My
initial approach was to try the old uninstall reinstall using synaptic
on my kubuntu 64bit
Ubuntu 10.04 32 bit with the latest kernel.
Brian Burch's circumvention in post 190 works for me.
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** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Lucid)
Importance: Undecided = High
** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Lucid)
Status: New = Confirmed
** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Lucid)
Assignee: (unassigned) = Canonical Foundations Team
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Importance: High = Medium
** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Lucid)
Importance: Medium = High
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To summarize the 190+ comments on this bug:
1) There is definitely a problem that needs fixing...no arguing this.
2) It has *something* to do with when lo0 is activated, i.e. a race condition
3) There are apparently a few hacky workarounds, but no fix
4) There is no concrete evidence that this is
Same problem here with this Kernel. This problem shows up more
frequently on the faster systems here too. All the fast systems we
setup exhibit this problem intermittently see my post #158 above for
typical specs
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Robbie Williamson - I can confirm occasional problems entering runlevel
2 with the 2.6.32-24 kernel.
$ uname -a
Linux aa39.uk.fabit.net 2.6.32-24-generic-pae #38-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jul 5
10:54:21 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
$ runlevel
unknown
This is on a Pentium 3 server with
I have the latest kernel:
Linux version 2.6.32-24-generic (bui...@yellow) (gcc version 4.4.3 (Ubuntu
4.4.3-4ubuntu5) ) #38-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jul 5 09:20:59 UTC 2010
This version worsened the bug. Before cups randomly refused to start, but now
it never starts at boot time.
Further symptoms that
I've done 20 installs if 10.04, mostly upgrades from 9.10, all 32 bit.
Initially only 2 machines were problem machines. My computer at home and my
co-workers computer at the office. None of the others had this issue for
months. The upgrades were done shortly after 10.04 was released. On the
** Also affects: linux (Ubuntu Lucid)
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
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I had this problem on one of my systems after upgrading to lucid - about
50% of boots left cups not running and nothing meaningful in the logs.
It would always start manually. I have several other lucid systems that
never encounter this problem.
I applied the circumvention from my own bug report
RE: Mike Bianchi Yes, I tried ALL of the instructions suggested:
commenting out 'console output' in /etc/init/*.conf files, adding the
rsyslog config line to /etc/init/rc-sysinit.conf, and adding the
init='/sbin/init --verbose' line to the grub config. This didn't
solve my problem: I still
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 03:18:10PM -, phireph0x wrote:
RE: Mike Bianchi Yes, I tried ALL of the instructions suggested:
... I still have services that don't start on reboot,
Thanks for all your efforts.
Do you get runlevel unknown or N 2 when your services do not start?
If they
Ubuntu 10.04 32 bit. I have two USB printers. If both printers are off
at boot time CUPS does not start and turning on a printer fails to start
it. If a printer is on at boot time then CUPS starts and both printers
are available (even though one of them may be turned off). This was not
a problem
I never had an issue with there being any difference whether the printers were
on or not on boot. On 1 computer cups would not be started 80% of the time. On
another about 30% of the time. The workaround in:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9480172postcount=20
has worked flawlessly for me
I found today that a third computer that I upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04
is also having this same issue.
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I don't think that any workarounds could really fix this - the
workarounds just modify timing or reduce impact. I think the problem
is really much more lowlevel - device nodes that are not ready, or
events emitted by upstart in wrong order or wrong timing.
I don't want to be mean, but I'd suggest
My understanding of the problem is that /dev/console exists but isn't
writable.
Also, it appears it becomes writable after a little while.
Would waiting for /dev/console to become writable be a possible workaround?
For example by adding something like this to the relevant /etc/init/*
scripts:
Ok installed 10.04 Server AMD64 fresh on a brand new Dell 2950 dual
6-core AMD Opteron box with 16GB of ram.
Report:.
Sometimes on boot i get a hang right after this message.
init: ureadahead-other main process terminated with status 4
Sometimes the server will boot up fully to the console
The workaround described in
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9480172postcount=20 doesn't work
for me. I still have services that don't start on system reboot.
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On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 08:04:03PM -, phireph0x wrote:
The workaround described in
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9480172postcount=20 doesn't work
for me. I still have services that don't start on system reboot.
See
I applied the first two items of
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/543506/comments/83
and that seems to have helped.
This seems like a well understood problem, why is it not well fixed?
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I did things listed here in the link in Post 165:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9480172postcount=20
My co-workers computer which would only load the printers at best 50% of
the time has loaded has loaded them every time in 15 boots.
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First, for Till and Post 170, thank you so much for your clarification. With
that help I have done all of the items suggested by Sepero in post 165 above at
this link:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9480172postcount=20
on the machine that has given me the most problems. I've done 3
On 07/16/2010 04:34 PM, Don Myers wrote:
I'll do the second machine tonight and keep you updated on how both are
doing.
Please don't. This is a bug report and not a personal support forum. I
have no idea how you Ubuntu users expect developers to sift through bug
reports when you constantly
I had no idea I was spamming this board. I'm sorry. The computer I put
this work around on is a co-worker's computer who has been frustrated
enough to tell me to put Windows back on his machine at least 3 times
and forget Ubuntu and Linux. For 2 1/2 months now I've convinced him to
hang in there.
I have had another instance of the titleless message box with the text:
Another instance of Camera Monitor is already running!
runlevel reports: N 2
Is there any way to tell if this bug, when it doesn't cause daemons to
fail to start, attempts to start them more than once?
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Don Myers, enter each of the shown lines completely, one after the
other, into a terminal window and press Enter after each line.
First enter:
sudo su -
You will get asked for your password, after entering it correctly you
will get a root prompt, which means that all subsequent commands in this
Some behaviors I'm seeing on my system that might be related to this
problem:
Occasionally I get a message box saying Camera Monitor is already
running. Camera Monitor is only started via Startup Applications
Preferences and should only start once. When this happens, cupsd is
running, and
It looks like the problem in my case has disappeared after replacing kernel
version 2.6.32-23 by version 2.6.32-24.
I am not absolutely sure, it could be a coincidence and it could also be caused
by some other system modification or software upgrade - my usual procedure is
to install updates
If this bug is related to
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/consolekit/+bug/544139 you should
have a message like:
WARNING: Error waiting for native console 5 activation: Invalid argument in
your daemon.log. Could somebody please check?
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everytime when I found that runlevel returned unknown, some services
must have not started at booting.
But if I delete the file of /var/run/utmp and reboot, runlevel will
return 'N 2'. It means all services have started as usually.
As far as I know, the runlevel command is an indicator of this
In response to Sepero, message 165 above, could you please clarify the
instructions in the second link in your post.
When I run sudo su -, it puts me in root.
In the next step, I'm assuming the words done exit are not to be included in
what I enter into the terminal.
When I run:
sed -i
Upgrading to Ubuntu 10.04 and trying to get printing to work must be
really frustrating for new Ubuntu users.
I had to deal with 2 bugs:
First was bug #595650 (error message: Printer 'hp-LaserJet3030' may not
be connected) related to package libusb. The fix listed worked for me.
Second was bug
A Possible Solution
This bug seems very related to this one:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/consolekit/+bug/544139
This solution here is what worked for me and a few others. If it works for you,
please help spread it to others.
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I'm running 10.04.
This problem only started in the last two weeks with me. I noticed one 'update'
recently included 'cups' since then its been a problem. Apparently the 'CUPS
service is stopped' and has to started via terminal. Initial a 'restart' would
get it working but now it never seems
I have tried booting my Pentium 3 server (see comment 151 and 157 above)
with both a generic and generic-pae, and both have problems entering run
level 2.
Closer inspection of the kernel messages shows that ureadahead,
plymouthd and init were being killed during boot by the kernel's out-of-
The cups update didn't change anything relative to this problem for me
with the printers not being available after a startup. The machines that
have had the problem continue to have the problem. The ones that don't
have the issue haven't had a problem yet. But one thing I have noticed
as compared
Hi,
I did a clean install on a new computer about 3 weeks ago. It had never
had an issue of the printers not being loaded. I booted this morning,
and about 15 minutes ago went to print for the first time today, and no
printers. Doing the 'sudo start rc-sysinit' and the 'ps aux' commands
per
In reply to comment #104 - I just couldn't start a VirtualBox virtual
machine so I did start rc-sysinit. ps aux showed me the following
processes: VirtualBox, CouchDB, CUPS, Apache2 and ondemand which hadn't
been initialized before.
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Hi Graham,
A fast boot time is not critical for me ( I think that we are only
talking of seconds, anyway). In any case, my current boot process with
10.04 involves using several steps in the fail-safe mode, so it is not
only slow, but requires my interaction several times.
However, I am not an
So /dev/console exists but isn't immediately ready for work. It appears it
becomes fully functional later (otherwise it would not be possible to start
the failing services manually).
Can we figure out at what point /dev/console becomes functional?
In the meantime two workarounds seem doable, both
On 07/01/2010 10:18 AM, Wout wrote:
So /dev/console exists but isn't immediately ready for work. It appears it
becomes fully functional later (otherwise it would not be possible to start
the failing services manually).
Can we figure out at what point /dev/console becomes functional?
In the
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 11:09, Michael Goetze mgoe...@mgoetze.net
wrote:
On 07/01/2010 10:18 AM, Wout wrote:
So /dev/console exists but isn't immediately ready for work. It appears
it
becomes fully functional later (otherwise it would not be possible to
start
the failing services
On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 04:42:53AM -, Andy wrote:
This is a serious problem. At this point 10.04 is not production worthy. ...
I agree.
But the evidence is that Canonical is just not paying any attention to this
line of bugs OR somehow does not think they _are_ serious.
I have a service
I agree also. Most of you are much better than I when you are getting
deep into the working of an operating system. I have not tried the
comment 83 fix for fear of breaking something and creating a royal
mess.
I was new to Ubuntu and Linux in February 2009. Since then I've
installed Ubuntu on 20
I think the problem is that nobody really wants to take responsibility for
that. I have another bug open which describes Xorg not starting because it
cannot open the console (which is probably the same why cups does not start
sometimes). I posted this bug against upstart, but it was rejected as
I had the problem after installing NVIDIA proprietary driver. Deinstalling this
driver solved the problem. May be it is not a special cups problem: As already
mentioned above virtual consoles did not work while NVIDIA proprietary driver
was installed.
This happend on a 64bit machine with
I don't think this is an NVIDIA bug though, I don't have NVIDIA drivers
installed and I'm still affected.
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I've upgraded about 20 machines from Ubuntu 8.04 to 10.04 and have only
seen this problem on one machine.
That was on a old Pentium 3 machine running a linux-generic kernel on
a 32-bit install. The other machines which do not show this problem were
either running a 64-bit install or a
On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 07:26:47PM -, John Edwards wrote:
So has anyone seen it on a machine which is not a 32-bit install running
a generic (not generic-pae) kernel?
In my case, I was running a quad-core AMD with a 64-bit Linux. For a while I
thought it was a problem that showed up on
For Mike Bianchi - what kernel was your 64-bit machine running? To find
out run 'uname -a' and post the output.
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I found that I have the same problem yesterday. I do not need my printer as
much but I think when I install Lucid (fresh install) printing worked. I was
very surprised when there was no printer in my kmail printing dialog yesterday.
I tried the workaround in
Occasionally Cups is not started after boot.
As far as I have noticed, this always coincides with runlevel 'unknown'.
The problem occurs randomly, as if the system is throwing a dice at each system
start.
System: AMD Athlon 64 X2 dual core 3800+, 2GB DDR2 memory
A remark to my fellow reporters:
On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 08:06:52PM -, John Edwards wrote:
For Mike Bianchi - what kernel was your 64-bit machine running? To find
out run 'uname -a' and post the output.
I don't have access to that machine now, but this from a syslog kept while
debugging. You can see the Linux version and
Menno, it's not just CUPS. The server I met this problem with does not
even have CUPS installed.
If runlevel 2 is not entered then it is *all* services that are started
by rc scripts that fail. That is almost everything.
The only things that are running are udev, rsyslog and sshd. You don't
even
On a new AMD quadcore 4GB ram box with nVidiaGeForce 6150 integrated
graphics running 10.04 AMD64 I had a problem with X not starting up on
boot (black screen). it was just booting to a console logon. If I
logged on to the console and ran /etc/init.d/gdm start then X would
startup without issue.
On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 22:14:43 -
John Edwards john-ubu...@cornerstonelinux.co.uk wrote:
Menno, it's not just CUPS. The server I met this problem with does not
even have CUPS installed.
If runlevel 2 is not entered then it is *all* services that are started
by rc scripts that fail. That is
As I mentioned in #543506, I'm also seeing this issue on Ubuntu Server
10.04. I've tried some of the workarounds mentioned in this thread
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/543506/comments/83),
including commenting out console output in all /etc/init/*.conf files.
This had no
That doesn't sound like the exact same issue. Well over 500 restarts
here and absolute consistency found, in that either I get runlevel N 2
and all services started fine or I get runlevel unknown and services not
started (in my case proftpd and cupsd).
No doubt they are similar and most likely
This is a serious problem. At this point 10.04 is not production
worthy. How can one deploy machines and not know if a service will
start or not? 10.04 is turning out to be a disaster on the order of
Vista. Services not starting up. Black screen on boot. HP printer
regressions, scanner
I agree it's probably not the exact same issue, but definitely in the
upstart has a race condition bucket of issues.
I'm kinda impressed that you've gone through the heroics of rebooting
your machine 500 times in the name of bug-squashing... that's
persistence :-P
That doesn't sound like the
Do you people with the CUPS problem also have no sound/audio and no
shutdown option after login? I could be totally wrong, but to me it
seemed inappropriate to merge this bug with this one
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/543506?
The problem I have with sound/shutdown is now
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