OK Leandro,
I just sent an email to Ayatana list with your mockup and presenting
the argument on the possible security flaw. Let us see how it goes.
However, I would not be very hopeful, it seems like people in
Canonical are convinced that the new behavior is good.
best,
Paulo
On Wed, Nov 18,
On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 13:13 +, Paulo J. S. Silva wrote:
OK Leandro,
I just sent an email to Ayatana list with your mockup and presenting
the argument on the possible security flaw. Let us see how it goes.
However, I would not be very hopeful, it seems like people in
Canonical are
On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 08:11 +, Lionel Dricot wrote:
Graeme the number of duplicates speaks for itself. But it seems that,
for some reason, no usability is involved in this bug
What is intriguing with Graeme's user scenario is, why have the users
been ignoring the window which was popping
Disabling the updater daemon is now part of my installation routine for
newbies. (well, I'm still looking for someone that will find that
useful so I do it only when they tell me they have a bug with a window
appearing all the time).
Why disable it? Just use gconf and recover the old (and good)
mac_v wrote:
What is intriguing with Graeme's user scenario is, why have the users
been ignoring the window which was popping up?
Why were they not updating when the window opened and dismissing it
instead?
On all computers I've installed Karmic (and Jaunty before) the
update-manager
As a personal sidenote, I want to add that, during the early discussion, I
was not opposed to the idea. I had a lot of doubt but it has to be tried. I
was kind of agnostic so let's try and see. Now, I can say that I've seen.
It's not a matter of personal preferences : it's a matter when user you
What is intriguing with Graeme's user scenario is, why have the users
been ignoring the window which was popping up?
Users ignore this kind of popup behavior because the internet, and viruses
do this crap all the time.
The same way you filter out ads online, in the store, on tv, wherever you
2009/11/17 Leandro leandromartine...@gmail.com:
Also, can you imagine the security absurd for a
unexperienced user which gets used to the system
popuping something AND asking for root privileges?
How easy is to mimic that with a website popup?
That is a major point. If there anyone can
Le mardi 17 novembre 2009 à 21:17 +, Paulo J. S. Silva a écrit :
That is a major point. If there anyone can mimic the pop-up behavior
using a website maybe, and I mean just maybe, we can get the
developers attention on this possible security role.
This should *NOT* be a developer
Lionel,
Whoever made the decision (in this case probably some usability
expert), will have to at least reconsider his/her decision in face of
a real security risk even if to confirm it later. In my email, please
read developer in a more general sense, as someone in the development
team who is
On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 15:04 +, Rajeev Nair wrote:
Any user who knows the admin password can install updates,
That's a pretty long stretch -- assuming that all users have the admin
password. This is *exactly* the mentality that has lead to millions of
windows machines being exploited and
On lun, 2009-07-06 at 13:36 +, Chauncellor wrote:
A quote from my friend on his Mac's notification system:
I find the bouncy icon annoying and all, but if it weren't there I'd
probably never update. When it does bounce, I see all the updates and if
I don't use some programs in the list
I can certainly agree with and appreciate that. It is true that the
notification area in the average Ubuntu installation is nowhere near as
cluttered as the system tray in the average Windows installation, and it
is better to solve a problem *before* it becomes a problem rather than
after. I'd
In what way will the way the pop under change in the way it is
presented? It really doesn't matter how it is presented, if it pops up
in the users space it is going to be hated by most people. Media
center PC's, presentations, people doing real work will always find it a
huge annoyance if it uses
When I reported the bug I thought it might be a security issue and I
still think it might. In my case the window opened spontaneously and I
got notification of updates but when I closed that window without
updating and clicked on update manager to deliberately open the window
and check for
Just my 2 cents, but I consider we're going right into a wall if we design
intrusive tools, even if the intrusiveness (does this word exist ?) is
legitimate. Remember what about to Windows' UAC.
Imo, it should be ok to use a notify-osd notification + a systray icon for
updates as soon as they're
Steve Dodier wrote:
Imo, it should be ok to use a notify-osd notification + a systray icon for
updates as soon as they're available, and to pop-up the window only on
extreme cases :
@ Steve:
The pop-up window seems like a reasonable option in the scenario's
you've given... But i feel that
I had been very vocal here opposing the change but i went with it...
And *even though it might not have been the intended purpose* for the
removal of the icon, *I have found the icon removal useful* ...
*Now I dont think much about the updates* , there is no icon nagging me
about the
Paulo J. S. Silva wrote:
* When the user has chosen not to download updates , These
notification repeat again at a later
time[10mins/30mins/1hr/4hrs/1day/7days],which the user chooses from a
drop-down menu and if the user tries to shutdown before updating he is
reminded again via the
On 14/06/2009 Chauncellor wrote:
After realizing this, I've found out that MPT was right: I don't think
that any icon will suit the notification area for a casual user. There
is something that needs to be done. HOWEVER, I still don't agree that
the pop-up is the necessary solution.
I
Il giorno lun, 15/06/2009 alle 22.55 +, bdoe ha scritto:
The same could be said for Windows. Since Windows XP SP2, automatic
security updates are turned on by default, and users have to
specifically opt out of it to turn it off.
I want to point out the following to the many who think
To use automotive analogies in this... If our check engine light comes
on our car taking us in a straight line to the dealership, not following
roads, going straight through forest, lakes, streams etc. Its just
ludicrous devs hijacking the desktop with unsolicited pop-ups. Update
manager is going
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Subject: Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would
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Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 09:59:50 -
I am in all ways against automatic updates because I think the user must
be aware of when something delicate
Il giorno dom, 14/06/2009 alle 04.56 +, bdoe ha scritto:
Regarding automatic updates: I'm with Martin on this one; I believe it
should be turned on by default
I am in all ways against automatic updates because I think the user must
be aware of when something delicate is happening. E.g. in
I have marked Leandro's Brainstorm Idea as a duplicate of:
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/19283
Best Regards
Lanoxx
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Regarding automatic updates: I'm with Martin on this one; I believe it
should be turned on by default. If you are on a pay-per-use Internet
plan or a plan that places a cap on your usage, you can simply go in and
turn off the automatic updates. After all, if Canonical is so concerned
about the
MPT.. so if I am hearing this right... popup/popunder is here to stay
and there is no amount of griping in any fashion, organized or
unorganized that can get that virus... erm feature removed going
forward?
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getut wrote:
MPT.. so if I am hearing this right... popup/popunder is here to stay
and there is no amount of griping in any fashion, organized or
unorganized that can get that virus... erm feature removed going
forward?
sad to say that feature seems here to stay ! since mostly they dont
have
Il giorno ven, 12/06/2009 alle 20.34 +, mac_v ha scritto:
concerns *need* to be made at https://launchpad.net/~ayatana
subscribe to this mailing list and voice your concerns... its no use
here...
Subscribe to that mailing list if you are interested in constructive
discussion, not to
Il giorno mer, 10/06/2009 alle 04.52 +, mb_webguy ha scritto:
Ubuntu is likewise
a free distribution, and so market share doesn't really figure into
it.
I think you didn't notice the hype around preinstalled ubuntu and OEM,
which is where all this mess came from :) It is clear that
I know this is probably no consolation for a lot of us in the short
term, but there IS an option here: Like any other free open-source
software, source code for all of what makes up Gnome is available. If
Gnome is taking a turn in an undesirable direction, there's no reason
why Gnome can't fork.
Really? So the majority of the PC users, and a good portion of the open
source market decided that they liked a certain model...
And you come and proclaim that they all have it wrong? Very bold of you,
sir.
I really don't icare/i what you think about the notification area...
What I care about
I have to agree here. What will happen to programms like pidgin or
Skype. Can we not send them to the notification area any more? That
would be really disappointing. What other place will there be to have a
permanent place of putting apps that run in the background, if you
ultimately remove the
Leandro: This looks nice but only works if you have a SYSTEM menu. UNR
users don't and users who remove or move this menu (as I have on a
notebook) will not see the notification indication.
Walt
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Il giorno gio, 04/06/2009 alle 14.41 +, Matthew Paul Thomas ha
scritto:
yurx cherio: People had already been trying to find an effective icon
for years, from one that looked like a cigarette packet (Ubuntu 5.04)
to
a red pinwheel (5.10) to an orange square (6.06, 6.10, 7.04, 7.10) to
Il giorno mer, 03/06/2009 alle 19.36 +, mb_webguy ha scritto:
This one, however, was -- in
many users' opinions -- for the worse, and the response to negative
user
feedback on this issue has made it seem as if the developers are
determinedly ignoring it.
No the feedback has not been
Il giorno mar, 02/06/2009 alle 15.30 +, braddock ha scritto:
What happened to the wide-spread usability principle that modal
dialogs
(aka, an unwanted update window) are BAD?
\begin{acid*}
It has been argued (in my opinion, very imprecisely) that no system can
go on without
On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 13:55 +, Toralv wrote:
I think it's rather communistic of those responsible for this change to
impose their personal preference on everybody.
Hrm. You don't seem to understand the concept of communism and are
making the common mistake of calling what you characterize
True. I believe the correct term would be fascism; but we are getting
way off topic.
FWIW, I noticed that the behavior of the update window seems to have
changed since I first installed Jaunty. Instead of opening as a
popup/popunder, it is opening minimized in my task panel. Though this is
not as
On Mon, 2009-05-11 at 22:19 +, Ricardo Pérez López wrote:
Interestingly, the client of the Canonical's recently released UbuntuOne
service puts a persistent applet icon in the notification area:
https://ubuntuone.com/support/installation/
Well, I don't see any evidence there one way or
Jonathan Marsden wrote:
I'm slightly bewildered that so many here apparently feel that bothering
to read the Jaunty Release Notes and doing what they suggest, to restore
the old approach, is impossibly difficult... or something?
I'm pretty sure most of us are aware of how to bring back the old
Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
mac_v: A notification that a window has popped up? You mean something
like this screenshot? That's how Mac OS 9 did it a decade ago. Its main
problem was that there was no direct way to get from the notification to
the actual window, violating the principle of direct
C. Cooke wrote:
Paulo J. S. Silva :
About updates in the indicator applet: I've been working on a proof-of-
concept that does just that. It currently implements indicator messages
for updates and needing to reboot.
You can find it at http://earth.gkhs.net/ccooke/indicator/
Note that
Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
bdoe: If you are still having this problem, I suggest subscribing to the
http://www.ubuntu.com/usn feed, and then reporting a bug the next time
a package you have installed shows up there without Update Manager
opening within a day. We'd take that very seriously.
I'm
On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 16:12 +, scar wrote:
open the update manager on
all desktops at least
Oh yeah, that's much better. Annoying * $number_of_desktops. Talk
about getting right in somebody's face.
Surely it's obvious by now that this was a very ill-thought out
decision. I've said
Uwe Schilling wrote:
Well, it need not be a ticker, it need not be animated,Or it could be
animated by default and there is an option to turn off the animation. Or
the ticker is moving through just once and then stays still until the
mouse hovers over it, or ... I basically just wanted to
Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
bdoe: If there are security updates waiting in the archive and Update
Manager doesn't open within a day, please report a separate bug about
that. However -- and I apologize in advance if this affects your sleep
-- it has never been true that if there's no icon up
On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 17:00 +, Richard Thomas wrote:
Also I would like to point out that if you make use of virtual desktops
feature
I have 9 desktops It very very easy to miss the pop up as on my machine it
shows on desktop one
while i tend work on other desktops and have firefox
2009/5/1 Richard Thomas xpd...@gmail.com:
Also I would like to point out that if you make use of virtual desktops
feature
I have 9 desktops It very very easy to miss the pop up as on my machine it
shows on desktop one
while i tend work on other desktops and have firefox open on full screen
On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 17:56 +, mac_v wrote:
+1 .but the only thing would be to drop beneath in a few seconds * only
when the user is working * but *remain persistent until the users
returns to the system* and starts to work.
That seems a good idea. However, there are a couple use cases
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+1 this is a very nice idea.
Also I like to state AGAIN: Why is choice such a big problem for you
design people, if you want to remove the icons from the notificaion area
by default, ok go ahead. But then give people who do like it the option
to
Peter Whittaker wrote:
Watching a full screen video, for example.
i dont think that full screen video/any video are a problem, since
gnome-screen saver recognizes when videos are playing, something similar
probably could be worked in for detection.
but the real problem will be with flash firefox
2009/4/30 Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com:
Matt Wheeler, LanoxxthShaddow: We removed the icon because we're trying
to reduce the number of items in the notification area, and update-
notifier was an easy one to start with because Notify OSD forced us to
solve the 'Click the icon'? What
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas
m...@canonical.comwrote:
John Clemens: The issue of trying to guess when is the best time to
interrupt people is a tricky problem for notifications in general.
As getut pointed out, you're conflating interruption with notification.
On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 15:49 +, getut wrote:
The issue of trying to guess when is the best time to interrupt people
MPT... never IS a perfectly valid answer to INTERRUPTING a user.
+1, mod parent up, etc.
At the risk of seeming like I am in love with my own ideas, this was why
I proposed
Peter Whittaker wrote:
On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 15:49 +, getut wrote:
The issue of trying to guess when is the best time to interrupt people
MPT... never IS a perfectly valid answer to INTERRUPTING a user.
+1, mod parent up, etc.
At the risk of seeming like I am in love with my own
Self appointed benevolent dictator for life ;)
Torben wrote:
It is sad to see, but I think this will not be the last big
dissapointment. Sure you can't satisfy all users at any time, but what
is claimed to be leadership here is the kind of spirit I wouldn't
expect from a linux distribution
Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
Jamin W. Collins: By gratuitously difficult I meant you had to (1)
notice the icon, (2) recall that orange starburst = updates available
(possibly assisted by a notification bubble, if you happened to look
during the time the bubble was visible), (3) click on it (the
I was initially opposed to this change as a default, but having spoken to a
friend who upgraded to Jaunty just after the release I am much happier about
the idea of testing it on 'the masses'.
My friend, who is quite technical (works in the IT department in a school),
said he preferred the new
Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
Jamin W. Collins: By gratuitously difficult I meant you had to (1)
notice the icon, (2) recall that orange starburst = updates available
(possibly assisted by a notification bubble, if you happened to look
during the time the bubble was visible), (3) click on it (the
Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
I have seen no evidence, in this bug report or anywhere
else, of the simple need for a form of persistent notification for
software updates.
have u considered that these update windows WONT GET NOTICED, when the
user is working in other windows and only noticed
Stanislaw Pitucha wrote:
2. (in case of us) Think - did I forget to close it after the last
upgrade, or was I waiting for package list update to finish, or is it
notifying me about new upgrades
so i'm not the only one this happened to me when i got the firefox
security update! when previously i
Matt Wheeler wrote:
My friend, who is quite technical (works in the IT department in a school),
said he preferred the new system because before he would just ignore the
orange icon (even though he knew what it meant).
quite technical but doesnt update? wow! and works in the IT department!
getut wrote:
Can anyone give a definite answer on how long the gconf command to
revert to old behavior will be supported going forward?
AFAIK, the gconf method is currently not *supported*. It does work but
it is not a *supported* option. So, I believe we have our answer.
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Matt Wheeler wrote:
My friend, who is quite technical (works in the IT department in a school),
said he preferred the new system because before he would just ignore the
orange icon (even though he knew what it meant).
quite technical but doesnt update?
On Apr 29, 2009 10:10am, Matt Wheeler m...@funkyhat.org wrote
He doesn't teach, but that is irrelevant, and confirms my point. If even
IT staff are ignoring updates unless they are prompted by a window
opening, how many normal users are doing the same?
Unlike mac_v, I will not disparage your
Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
mac_v: As I explained in the very text you quoted, we are not creating
such security holes: that problem already exists, regardless of Update
Manager. As for your food analogy, you are confusing perfect with
better. We switched to Notify OSD, with the necessary
hurga wrote:
manager window means, so nothing gained.
Put the issue up for a vote, where the majority of ubuntu users can vote
and don't decide over peoples head.
@hurga
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/19283/
this voting has already been going on regarding this notifier at
brainstorm...
There was one dev that came here and stated (and to which I agree)
that if the devs kept listening to everyones complaints Ubuntu
wouldn't have changed since 4.10. There are those that are truly
resistant to change and constantly badger devs because they didn't get
what they wanted. On that
James Dowden wrote:
I had thought this was just a bug in the beta version, but I did not
know which package to report it against. Now I've read this and I am
totally outraged by this deliberate regression.
As for Mark Shuttleworth's ludicrous assumption that only coding experts
want the
On Sun, 2009-04-26 at 21:38 +, mac_v wrote:
a bit too harsh there pal...
Harsh? Perhaps. But given the comparative levels of user frustration and
development intransigence, the frustration is understandable.
asking the devs for an apology, is way out there!!!
Absolutely not. At this
Il giorno ven, 24/04/2009 alle 09.43 +, hurga ha scritto:
Revert this, and whoever signed off on that change should be spanked,
hard.
I would not want _these persons_ to be spanked. In any case ubuntu
developers have done an extremely good job across the years. Dapper was
nothing more
Just to give my two cents on the subject: I'm in favour of keeping the
notification icon for a simple reason. Someone (I don't remember if
Mark or someone else) mentioned, from what I got, that the
notification area has been used by applications, and to avoid
confusion we should remove it from
I believe Roshan was talking about the notificaion area:
I cannot imagine why getting rid of an updates _notification_
in a _notification area_ was reasonable. This is very annoying.
Maybe you should read his post again.
Jonathan Davies wrote:
Roshan: That is a separate issue - see bug #356152
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Stanislaw Pitucha wrote:
Yeah... affects me too.
why doesnt canonical add a voting system where the users can vote for a
feature...
the new notification system is good, but poorly planned...
the *devs could have held off the app push atleast
2009/4/20 mac_v drkv...@yahoo.com:
why doesnt canonical add a voting system where the users can vote for a
feature...
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/
Just because something is popular, doesn't make it right.
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2009/4/20 mac_v drkv...@yahoo.com:
why doesnt canonical add a voting system where the users can vote for a
feature...
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/
Just because something is popular, doesn't make it right.
I'm not sure building a feature everybody dislikes is better...
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Alan Pope wrote:
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/
Just because something is popular, doesn't make it right.
@alan
i'v know about brain storm...
but its for new ideas and implementation...
i suggest for voting already implemented new features...
i understand that popular doesnt mean right...
xpd259 wrote:
a simple notification bubble been shown every x min is more then enough
to notify a user to update with out intruding on the users desktop
+1
^ this is a lovely idea... xpd i hope u can add this to the notify-osd
comments section
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s/everybody/a vocal minority/
Regarding the number of duplicates and comments, I don't believe it's a
vocal minority. And regarding all the opposition, maybe a kind of survey
would be nice to be sure the feature is benefic to Ubuntu users or not.
At least I find it's premature to enable this
2009/4/20 Philippe Escarbassière phil_...@club-internet.fr:
I'm not sure building a feature everybody dislikes is better...
s/everybody/a vocal minority/
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+1 please do a survey or make a poll available for users to vote. There
are currently about 20 bugs with (from what I see) the majority of the
people complaining about it. This is not a minor thing.
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Il giorno lun, 20/04/2009 alle 09.27 +, Alan Pope ha scritto:
I'm not sure building a feature everybody dislikes is better...
s/everybody/a vocal minority/
This comment is anti-scientific. Either you invent a survey and convince
users (ubuntu or launchpad users, and it makes a
xpd259 wrote:
a simple notification bubble been shown every x min is more then enough
to notify a user to update with out intruding on the users desktop
@Matthew Paul Thomas , Alan Pope
consider this idea instead of the pop-under... i understand this is not
immediately possible, but hope
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Alan Pope wrote:
2009/4/20 Philippe EscarbassiÚre phil_...@club-internet.fr:
I'm not sure building a feature everybody dislikes is better...
s/everybody/a vocal minority/
yeah maybe we are the minority who think that they can improve this
Alan Pope wrote:
2009/4/20 Philippe EscarbassiÚre phil_...@club-internet.fr:
I'm not sure building a feature everybody dislikes is better...
s/everybody/a vocal minority/
yeah maybe we are the minority who think that they can improve this
linux flavor , but signing up for an account ,
Il giorno lun, 20/04/2009 alle 14.37 +, xpd259 ha scritto:
simple answer .. unofficial answer but
here is a poll
http://www.doodle.com/h7shad47ffgpxpyq
Am I reading Mark Shuttleworth voting for the old-style notification?
Perhaps a poll with launchpad authentication would be
@Jonathan
I didn't speak about developers. I'm a developer myself and I try not to
bash other developers and respect their work. But I listen to users
feedback too.
In this case, even if 221 votes are not a proof (plus other forum posts
and wiki comments), it's clearly an indication this new
2009/4/20 xpd259 xpd...@gmail.com
simple answer .. unofficial answer but
here is a poll
http://www.doodle.com/h7shad47ffgpxpyq
Well, it's conclusive, obviously - 25 people have voted in favour of the old
system so far, including Bill Gates, The Real Slim Shady and the Big Bird
off of Sesame
Vincenzo Ciancia wrote:
Il giorno lun, 20/04/2009 alle 14.37 +, xpd259 ha scritto:
simple answer .. unofficial answer but
here is a poll
http://www.doodle.com/h7shad47ffgpxpyq
Am I reading Mark Shuttleworth voting for the old-style notification?
Perhaps a poll with
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 15:01 +, Philippe Escarbassière wrote:
@Jonathan
I didn't speak about developers. I'm a developer myself and I try not to
bash other developers and respect their work. But I listen to users
feedback too.
I wasn't picking you out in particular, I'm just hoping to
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 15:34 +, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
Philippe, if we made only changes that were welcome to everybody, we
wouldn't have changed anything since Ubuntu 4.10.
s/everybody/most people/ or s/everybody/majority of users/ as I think
the original intention of everybody was
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 09:26 +, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
ami_nakata: Not only is it an implementation detail whether an
automatically-opening window is from a newly-running application or an
already-running application, it's an implementation detail whether *any*
window is from a
A few suggestions i'd like to add,
-maybe they should popunder, then if the X is clicked push it to the
messaging menu
-the user then controls priority (its popped under as a high priority
item), then if nothings done (an X (close) is clicked) it lowers in
priority to the messaging menu
-maybe
Peter Whittaker wrote:
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 19:55 +, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
I think it's important that we not treat the OS specially,
Mark, thanks for your comments. I think this one area where there is
considerable disagreement: The OS is different - when the computer needs
Il giorno gio, 09/04/2009 alle 07.38 +, Mark Shuttleworth ha
scritto:
My point is that we should have clear guidelines about what
constitutes
each mode of operation, and we should follow those as rigorously with
the OS as we would hope apps do, as well.
I dreamed of clear guidelines
On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 08:38 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
Peter Whittaker wrote:
The OS is different - when the computer needs
to tell me something, I probably shouldn't ignore it. Think firealarm.
Yes, that's true. But there are some apps that have fire alarms too -
imagine, for
Peter Whittaker wrote:
If you read my comments on the wiki page, you'll see I make clear
distinctions between system and user notifications: Let's apply that
distinction consistently. A user notification is a doorbell, it appears
in the user notification area, near where the user keeps their
Vincenzo Ciancia wrote:
What would be the place to participate in the design of the
notification-area related changes?
Join the Ayatana team mailing list on Launchpad!
Mark
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On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 11:41 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
Peter Whittaker wrote:
If you read my comments on the wiki page, you'll see I make clear
distinctions between system and user notifications: Let's apply that
distinction consistently. A user notification is a doorbell, it appears
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