[Bug 34282] Re: [Feisty Edgy Dapper] language-support-any CJK language doesn't set up a way to input this language with scim if the session doesn't correspond to this particular CJK (Chinese, Japane

2007-10-22 Thread Loïc Martin
Hi,
Is anybody having scim problems in Ubuntu Gutsy?

Even in gedit, selecting scim input from the contextual menu doesn't 
work (even though scim is sitting idle in the taskbar), not to talk 
about the Ctrl+Space method in other applications.

I installed support for Chinese, English and French and am under a 
French session, and I also checked the Enable support to enter complex 
characters (I unchecked and checked it a few times, restarting X in the 
process to be sure).

Since then, it borked my keyboard, but didn't give me any access to scim 
input,
Thanks,
Loic (yes, the ¨on the i doesn't work anymore, unless I copy/paste it)

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[Bug 34282] Re: [Feisty Edgy Dapper] language-support-any CJK language doesn't set up a way to input this language with scim if the session doesn't correspond to this particular CJK (Chinese, Japane

2007-09-22 Thread Jan Ask
Bump :)

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[Bug 34282] Re: [Feisty Edgy Dapper] language-support-any CJK language doesn't set up a way to input this language with scim if the session doesn't correspond to this particular CJK (Chinese, Japane

2007-08-23 Thread Jan Ask
Hi all,

It _finally_ seems like we can close this one. In the newest Gutsy
tribe, CJK installation works as it is supposed to.

Tested using Ubuntu gutsy-desktop amd64 on a vmware machine.

Could someone else test this (preferably on a Kubuntu setup)?

Thanks

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[Bug 34282] Re: [Feisty Edgy Dapper] language-support-any CJK language doesn't set up a way to input this language with scim if the session doesn't correspond to this particular CJK (Chinese, Japane

2007-08-11 Thread Jan Ask
Hi all,

This bug is still present in Gutsy Tribe 3. Tested on Kubuntu.

Steps taken:
After installation, under System Settings - Regional and Language, install New 
LanguageJapanese
Add Japanese to Languages
(adept batch completes successfully)
Set keyboard to Japanese and logout
Login and setup Skim to use Japanese
Logout and relogin
Fire up Kate and Openoffice.
Try to switch to Japanese input... unfortunately I cannot switch.

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[Bug 34282] Re: [Feisty Edgy Dapper] language-support-any CJK language doesn't set up a way to input this language with scim if the session doesn't correspond to this particular CJK (Chinese, Japane

2007-06-16 Thread Loïc Martin
Just an update on current situation (Feisty) when using only the
Language Support tool in Administration :

I noticed that if you remove Open Office, then reinstall it without the
Open Office Gnome package, you can't input with scim in OO (it still
works for Firefox and other apps where it worked before). Once you
install the package, it works again.

So it seems some apps needs their own settings (I didn't test, but I'm
under the impression that the brute force im-switch manual configuration
would still work whan OO Gnome support package isn't installed.

I don't know what to make out of it, though :)

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[Bug 34282] Re: [Feisty Edgy Dapper] language-support-any CJK language doesn't set up a way to input this language with scim if the session doesn't correspond to this particular CJK (Chinese, Japane

2007-06-13 Thread Loïc Martin
** Also affects: language-support-zh (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: Unconfirmed

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[Bug 34282] Re: [Feisty Edgy Dapper] language-support-any CJK language doesn't set up a way to input this language with scim if the session doesn't correspond to this particular CJK (Chinese, Japane

2007-04-30 Thread Ming Hua
Recent discussions start to make me think this is actually a problem
with the installer or the language-support-* packages, instead of a
problem with scim.  Maybe this bug should be reassigned to appropriate
package?

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[Bug 34282] Re: [Feisty Edgy Dapper] language-support-any CJK language doesn't set up a way to input this language with scim if the session doesn't correspond to this particular CJK (Chinese, Japane

2007-04-29 Thread Jan Ask
Thank Loic! I think I got it now. It does work... to a degree.

I just did a new install of Feisty, and did -
SystemAdministrationLanguage support Check Japanese. The script
starts, and the packages are downloaded successfully. After making sure
that complex characters is checked, I click OK. Now here comes the
funny part, if you open Language support again, complex characters is
now unchecked. Not until you click APPLY instead of OK, does the
complex characters stay checked.

After doing this and logging out and in, I can use Japanese. Looks like
we are getting closer to a solution. Can you confirm?

I am using en_US as my locale

(By the way, after the Language support script has run, from a usability
standpoint, there should be a You may need to login again for the
changes to take effect message, but that is a different story)

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[Bug 34282] Re: [Feisty Edgy Dapper] language-support-any CJK language doesn't set up a way to input this language with scim if the session doesn't correspond to this particular CJK (Chinese, Japane

2007-04-27 Thread Emmet Hikory
Thanks for the detailed review.  How about supporting all UTF8
locales by default?  This avoids the non-UTF-8 problem, and should work
for the standard default installation.  Of course, it will cause
additional issues for scim users in non-UTF-8 locales :(

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[Bug 34282] Re: [Feisty Edgy Dapper] language-support-any CJK language doesn't set up a way to input this language with scim if the session doesn't correspond to this particular CJK (Chinese, Japane

2007-04-27 Thread Loïc
This problem seems to have been fixed for me in Feisty final release.
However, it could be only in my locale (fr_FR).

Steps to do after a clean install to verify:

- SystemAdministrationLanguage support
Check Chinese then Apply
UNCHECK Activate ... complex characters (the box below Input Method then 
Apply
Check it again (the box should be in a  checked state) then Apply

-Reboot the computer

You should now be able to use the shortcut CTRL-Space to activate scim
input in Open Office and Firefox

Can you please tell us if it doesn't work for your locale (please also
indicate what your locale is)?

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[Bug 34282] Re: [Feisty Edgy Dapper] language-support-any CJK language doesn't set up a way to input this language with scim if the session doesn't correspond to this particular CJK (Chinese, Japane

2007-04-26 Thread Ming Hua
On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 11:43:38PM -, Emmet Hikory wrote:
 I see three ways to address this:
 
 1)  im-switch is add the current (or requested) locale to
 /SupportedUnicodeLocales

This is a very fragile solution.  The file /etc/scim/global which
contains the /SupportedUnicodeLocales configuration is a conffile of
package scim.  In principle im-switch shouldn't touch other package's
conffile.

Also locales can be generated by user actions, whether installing
language support packages, or explictily run dpkg-reconfigure locales
(or something similar in Ubuntu).  The only current situation
im-switch can know is when it is installed, which can be very different
from the situation when scim is run.

 2)  /etc/scim/global to include all locales by default (my least
favorite)

I don't like it either.  There are just too many UTF-8 locales.  And
keeping a duplicate list which may get updated from time to time is
never a good idea.

 3)  scim itself to ignore /SupportedUnicodeLocales always attempt to
 support the current locale

Some non-UTF-8 locales just can't be supported, such as en_US
(ISO-8859-1 encoding).  Even if we only consider UTF-8 locales, this
still needs knowledge about both the scim code and locale handling.
This is close to what I have in mind when I say patches are always
welcome, changing the way scim handles locales.

 I'm not very familiar with the architecture of im-switch and scim,
 and so am unsure of the ancillary effects that might develop as a result
 of any of these choices.  From my quick review, I would suspect that the
 first is the least intrusive (although not necessarily correct), and
 would involve parsing (or creating) ~/.scim/global to include the
 appropriate locale.

If you want to modify ~/.scim/global instead of /etc/scim/global, you
have the problem of only being able to change setting on a user-by-user
basis, but not system-wide.

Also, if scim is already running, it will ignore changes to
~/.scim/global and rewrite its internal settings back when it exits.
That's another issue that needs consideration.

Ming
2007.04.26

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[Bug 34282] Re: [Feisty Edgy Dapper] language-support-any CJK language doesn't set up a way to input this language with scim if the session doesn't correspond to this particular CJK (Chinese, Japane

2007-04-23 Thread Emmet Hikory
I see three ways to address this:

1)  im-switch is add the current (or requested) locale to 
/SupportedUnicodeLocales
2)  /etc/scim/global to include all locales by default (my least favorite)
3)  scim itself to ignore /SupportedUnicodeLocales always attempt to support 
the current locale

I'm not very familiar with the architecture of im-switch and scim,
and so am unsure of the ancillary effects that might develop as a result
of any of these choices.  From my quick review, I would suspect that the
first is the least intrusive (although not necessarily correct), and
would involve parsing (or creating) ~/.scim/global to include the
appropriate locale.

For which of these (if any) should a patch be generated?
Alternately, is this more complicated than it looks, and does the patch
need to be somewhere else?

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[Bug 34282] Re: [Feisty Edgy Dapper] language-support-any CJK language doesn't set up a way to input this language with scim if the session doesn't correspond to this particular CJK (Chinese, Japane

2007-04-22 Thread Jan Ask
Just a final confirmation that this bug is still present in the final
Feisty.

Whats more,  im-switch -z LOCALE used -s scim  doesn't seem to work
anymore.

Lets see if we can get this fixed for Gutsty

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[Bug 34282] Re: [Feisty Edgy Dapper] language-support-any CJK language doesn't set up a way to input this language with scim if the session doesn't correspond to this particular CJK (Chinese, Japane

2007-04-22 Thread Ming Hua
Jan Ask wrote:
 Whats more, im-switch -z LOCALE used -s scim doesn't seem to work anymore.

I wonder why that is the case.  If a UTF-8 locale is used, scim should
work just fine if you set /SupportedUnicodeLocales properly.  Read
/usr/share/doc/scim/README.Debian.gz for details about setting
/SupportedUnicodeLocales.

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[Bug 34282] Re: [Feisty Edgy Dapper] language-support-any CJK language doesn't set up a way to input this language with scim if the session doesn't correspond to this particular CJK (Chinese, Japane

2007-04-09 Thread Jan Ask
Sorry to do a follow up, but it seems this bug isn't moving forward. I
just did a fresh install of Feisty with all the updates. The bug is
still present.

It would be great for all the users that need CJK language support to
have this fixed for Feisty Final.

Let me know if you need help with testing

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[Bug 34282] Re: [Feisty Edgy Dapper] language-support-any CJK language doesn't set up a way to input this language with scim if the session doesn't correspond to this particular CJK (Chinese, Japane

2007-04-09 Thread Loïc
Jan, you're right and moreover there's a new problem (regression) which
makes the situation in Feisty worse than it was already in Edgy/Dapper:
see bug #93221 which doesn't seem to be taken care atm (and that one
doesn't have any manual fix).

I think what might be needed would be an external developer willing to
fix the bugs, even though the problem arise in core packages.

Even a small reply informing us that nothing will be done and that we
shouldn't bother doing any testing and filling bug reports would be
nice. Maybe the only way to get an answer would be to ask Mark if
there's any plans to support CJK languages in a future version of
Ubuntu.

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[Bug 34282] Re: [Feisty Edgy Dapper] language-support-any CJK language doesn't set up a way to input this language with scim if the session doesn't correspond to this particular CJK (Chinese, Japane

2007-04-09 Thread Jan Ask
Hmm. Doesn't sound good.

In my opinion, this is more than a Medium Importance bug, as it affects
all users in China, Korea and Japan who use (K)Ubuntu in English.
Potentially a lot of people.

Since nobody seems to be involved in fixing this bug (CJK input has been
broken since Hoary!), I think we do need to escalate it somewhere
-Though going to Mark might be a bit too much. Do you know how to get
the attention of the developers?

I even considered putting up a Bounty, just to get this fixed :)

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[Bug 34282] Re: [Feisty Edgy Dapper] language-support-any CJK language doesn't set up a way to input this language with scim if the session doesn't correspond to this particular CJK (Chinese, Japane

2007-04-09 Thread Loïc
I think best is to write a specification for next milestone
(contributors welcomed) AND email Mark so there's a slight chance it
could be considered as a targeted feature (hopefully with high priority)
for Feisty+1, and that has to be done before next summit.

I don't think emailing Mark once we have a good-looking specification is
over the top - we had main (core) developers looking this bug once and a
while, but without a clear understanding of priorities, I guess other
bug work takes precedence - at least a release critical bug is going to
attract more attention.

If anybody here has some experience about specifications and more
important about the schedule to get the specification discussed at next
summit, I'll be happy to have some help.

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[Bug 34282] Re: [Feisty Edgy Dapper] language-support-any CJK language doesn't set up a way to input this language with scim if the session doesn't correspond to this particular CJK (Chinese, Japane

2007-04-09 Thread Martin Pitt
What we would need for bugs like this is a developer who actually speaks
and uses these languages. I do agree that it is very important to have a
good CJK support out of the box, but we simply do not have anyone who
cares for it at the moment.

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[Bug 34282] Re: [Feisty Edgy Dapper] language-support-any CJK language doesn't set up a way to input this language with scim if the session doesn't correspond to this particular CJK (Chinese, Japane

2007-04-09 Thread ZhengPeng Hou
Sorry for my previous comment, qt now can use xim.
I can do about 3-4 times fresh install with kubuntu, using alternate cd, IM can 
be used after I configured it using language-selctor.

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[Bug 34282] Re: [Feisty Edgy Dapper] language-support-any CJK language doesn't set up a way to input this language with scim if the session doesn't correspond to this particular CJK (Chinese, Japane

2007-04-09 Thread Loïc
As far as I understand, a developer speaking Chinese could be handy to
backport any changes done by by a CJK-oriented specific distribution of
Ubuntu. However, I'm not aware there's any yet (and the RPC already have
these kind of distributions, but not Ubuntu-based), nor am I aware that
they wouldn't use English as the development language.

For example, scim developers use English as their main language. Using
another language would require either Korean and Chinese to learn
Japanese, or Chinese and Japanese to learn Korean, or ... :)

Martin, if you look at the step needed to solve this bug, any English
speaking developer can handle it. We already provide you with the steps
required to make it work (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SCIM).

To summarize, a python script could query the user's locale, then run 
im-switch -z “your locale” -s scim. To revert the changes : im-switch -z 
“your locale” -s default
Then, using gtk/qt/whatever_is_best to create a front-end to the script - 
either incorporate a check box Do you want to enable SCIM in your locale? in 
SCIM control panel, or create a application whose simple purpose would be to 
ask that.

And, to solve bug #93221, no need to speak or understand Chinese either.
One doesn't even have to be in a Chinese session to squat the bug, and
booting a live cd in Chinese keep the menus in English while still
showing the bug (all OO menus are in English till the user install full
Chinese support from the Internet).

On the other hand, we acknowledge the fact that we simply do not have
anyone who cares for it at the moment. The amount of high importance
bugs that main developers have to fix before each release is daunting
enough, and we all appreciate the amount of efforts everyone is making.

Thus the idea to have this bug set as a specification (and hopefully
feature critical) for Feisty+1. The problem is well documented and ,as
it is, we only need an English speaking developer to take the task.
Apparently, Michael Vogt has made some work on it (sadly we don't have
access to it, nor do we know what's happening) so the developer could
start with some already existing code.

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[Bug 34282] Re: [Feisty Edgy Dapper] language-support-any CJK language doesn't set up a way to input this language with scim if the session doesn't correspond to this particular CJK (Chinese, Japane

2007-04-09 Thread Loïc
ZhengPeng, I'm not sure I understand your comment.

Chinese input under a Chinese session has been working for quite a while
(worked in Dapper/Edgy). Now, does it work under a different locale
(neither CJK nor the default en_US - even though the locale can be
English :) but not US) in Open Office/Firefox? If it works in Open
Office/Firefox after installing the support for Chinese with
AdministrationLanguage Support, does uninstalling this support remove
scim input (i.e. CTRL-Space won't start scim) which would be the
required behavior?

Thanks

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[Bug 34282] Re: [Feisty Edgy Dapper] language-support-any CJK language doesn't set up a way to input this language with scim if the session doesn't correspond to this particular CJK (Chinese, Japane

2007-04-09 Thread Loïc
Yes, I did notice :)

However, during Feisty's development cycle, this has been more like a
yo-yo thing : sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, sometimes it
only works for a few days :)

OTOH, I do notice that once it works, unchecking the option usually
doesn't work (that habit being more stable than the other way around).

However, we had no input regarding the fact that this option was there
to solve the bug or not :) and I don't really think just hope does the
trick. That said, I'll be happy if the 2 bugs are solved in RC, because
there could then be a possibility the bug aren't reintroduced before the
final release comes out.

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[Feisty Edgy Dapper] language-support-any CJK language doesn't set up a way 
to input this language with scim if the session doesn't correspond to this 
particular CJK (Chinese, Japanese or Korean) language
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/34282
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