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What is your test case? Are you sure this is the same bug?
On Friday, August 28, 2015 01:21:14 AM Aaahh Ahh wrote:
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What is your test case? Are you sure this is the same bug?
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Maybe installing TLP is a workaround?
http://askubuntu.com/questions/285434/is-there-a-power-saving-
application-similar-to-jupiter
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Maybe installing TLP is a workaround?
http://askubuntu.com/questions/285434/is-there-a-power-saving-
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High
For me, it's that the OS leaves insane hardware mfr defaults of hdparm
-B=128 in place even on AC power. I believe this was fixed in 12.04 but is
back for some reason in 14.04 for me... Installing TLP changes to B=254 on
AC and retains the B=128 on battery (with the addition of clustering hdd
For me, it's that the OS leaves insane hardware mfr defaults of hdparm
-B=128 in place even on AC power. I believe this was fixed in 12.04 but is
back for some reason in 14.04 for me... Installing TLP changes to B=254 on
AC and retains the B=128 on battery (with the addition of clustering hdd
Right? This is just sad.
On Aug 27, 2015 9:41 PM, Ryan Waldroop 59...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
Seriously? That's how many years? Come on!
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Aaahh Ahh woohoomo...@gmail.com
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Right? This is just sad.
On Aug 27, 2015 9:41 PM, Ryan Waldroop 59...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
Seriously? That's how many years? Come on!
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Seriously? That's how many years? Come on!
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I gave to my wife a new Samsung N150 Plus Netbook last year. Last month
the hard drive died but the warranty covered a new hard drive, so it was
fine. Now with the new hard drive i was able to hear every 6 seconds
that the heads are parking, and i tried many things and i cannot make it
stop. Now i
I forgot to say that the version of ubuntu is 11.10 oneiric and the
drive has 660 power on hours. he 6 seconds interval between parks is
when using battery
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But the head parking is part of the normal drive operation. So why avoid
it?
It's actually beneficial as it unloads the head, thus protecting the
disk from shocks (and saving some power). Not a heavy operation like
starting/stopping the disk.
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It is normal only if done not too frequently. Because otherwise, it can
kill a drive. And that is not just theoretical, it can happen much more
quickly than you may think: I had a drive with that issue, but very
quiet so I did not notice. The result: the drive died in a
SolidSlash (solidslash): it might be that recent kernel tweaks for ACPI
(and other power management) support may have triggered a fix for this
issue. If that's true, any distribution with a recent enough linux
kernel should be fine.
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Guys, I don't want to jinx it but... about 5 hours ago I installed Ubuntu 12.04
alpha 2 on my laptop (WD2500BEVT hdd) and, without further configuring it (no
changes to apm or anything like that) it WORKS. Just WORKS.
The temperature stays at 45'C and the load_cycle_count didn't increase even by
(!) really? ..wow.
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It looks like WD BEVT-series was not mentioned here and the kernel.org is still
down.
I just noticed huge Load_Cycle_Count on the WD1600BEVT-80A23T0. It almost
reached 300 000 when I stopped it (299 252 to be precise) with
hdparm -B 255 /dev/sda
-B 254 didn't help, it just _ignored_ it.
6 Month ago I upgraded a previous 2.5 laptop internal WD Sata 320GB
5400rpm HDD for another WD (scorpio black?) 750GB 7200rpm:
cat /proc/scsi/scsi
labels it as:
WDC WD7500BPKT-0 Rev: 01.0
The 320GB one was responding to various hdparm -B VALUE values... with
254/255 shutting off
Ocassionaly frequent load-unload cycles happens under Oneiric 11.10 Beta 1
usually when watching youtube.
This happened from 10.04 and up on every ubuntu distro. 10.04 clearly tried to
kill my hard drive, fortunately the never versions are less cruel :) As I know
there still isn't a 100%
I think the workaround for the problem is to install laptop-mode-tools and in
/etc/laptop-mode/laptop-mode.conf change line:
BATT_HD_POWERMGMT=1
to
BATT_HD_POWERMGMT=254
This of course sets default disk APM to 254, but with laptop mode tools my WD
Scorpio Blue 500GB stays pretty cool (about 43
I usually writehdparm -B 254 /dev/sda to the /etc/rc.local to set
the APM 254 or 255, so if laptop-mode-tools only do the same
unfortunately it won't be enough.
For example my harddrive is Seagate ST9120822AS. If you check
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielHahler/Bug59695
it shows there is no
Unfortunately, the dirty fix of setting APM to 254 doesn't end this issue. My
hard disk is WDC WD2500BEVT-75ZCT2 (Dell Studio 1555) and, on Ubuntu 11.04, it
gets really hot on the default settings. (up to 50 C on idle and even 54 C when
copy/pasting) The load_cycle_count doesn't seem to go up
Same here on Ubuntu 11.04 Natty with a Western Digital Scorpio Blue.
Every 7-8 seconds the load_cycle_count increases.
Additionally, ff I activate HDD spin down when running on battery in the
power manager, I hear a clicking noise of my hdd every second. I can
gurantee that this clicking sound is
Not sure if it's related or simply common knowledge - the WD EcoGreen
EARS Advanced Format drives unter natty still park their heads every
eight seconds smartctl in rc.local does lower the Load_Cycle_Count
but does not fully help. There is a linux version of wdidle3 that also
did not help much
I've been getting some of these LinkedIn spam invites lately, but how
are they being sent to this bug's address? This is getting ridiculous.
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I've been getting some of these LinkedIn spam invites lately, but how
are they being sent to this bug's address? This is getting ridiculous.
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and actual reasons. Thanks!
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Just installed lucid. Still got lots of load cycling, even though I've
turned stopping the hard drive off. Any (hopefully) helpful information
I can post?
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Oh yeah. Running Lucid 64 bit.
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+ The kernel wiki gathers info about drives with too aggressive power saving
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i have been living with this problem for years, never occurred to me it
could be resolved through software. i have a sony vaio pcg-tr3a with
hitachi HTC426040G9AT00 disk drive. i don't think it keeps track of the
load cycle with a human readable number, but it is definitely
increasing:
$ date;
The bug still exists in any ubuntu (9.04/9.10, x86) and I'm using a desktop
computer with two WD6401AALS drives. Every minute, or every few minutes, four
clicks occur. This is annoying to say the least, and if it will go on, I will
simply walk away from linux. I have tried every solution
Hi.
I have a XPS M1530 and I have the strange HD clicks 1 or 2 times per
minutes.
I am on ubuntu 9.04 x64. I don't understand why this bug is marked as
fixed.
I don't understand what I have to do to fix this problem. The bug report
is huge. What can I do to save my HDD and do not lost my data ?
ktulu77 wrote:
Hi.
I have a XPS M1530 and I have the strange HD clicks 1 or 2 times per
minutes.
I am on ubuntu 9.04 x64. I don't understand why this bug is marked as
fixed.
I don't understand what I have to do to fix this problem. The bug report
is huge. What can I do to save my HDD
If the intention is to enable a apm setting of 128 when on battery, where is
the rationale and evidence explaining how
1. it actually protects the hdd from shocks
2. it actually saves power
3. evidence (even anecdotal) of drives overheating otherwise
my understanding and experience is that
On Jun 7, 2009 10:00 PM, ethanay ethan.y...@gmail.com wrote:
If the intention is to enable a apm setting of 128 when on battery, where is
the rationale and evidence explaining how
1. it actually protects the hdd from shocks
2. it actually saves power
3. evidence (even anecdotal) of drives
This bug was fixed in the package pm-utils - 1.1.2.4-1ubuntu8.1
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Concerning pm-utils 0.99.2-3ubuntu10.1 from Hardy-proposed :
targeted behaviour achieved here.
Hdparm -B 128 on battery and hdparm -B 254 on AC, also persistent after
resuming from STR or hibernation and switching from bat. to AC and back.
HP Pavilion tx1000
HD: FUJITSU MHY2120BH
Ubuntu Hardy
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This bug has very recently come back in Jaunty specifically when I
resume without power attached and then attach the power cable. More
importantly, issuing a sudo hdparm -B 254 doesn't fix it when it
happens. I've opened bug #361680 for it since it seems to be otherwise
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On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 12:18:43PM -, Nicolò Chieffo wrote:
Well. I think that hdparm -B 128 is a too low value... This is the
problem!
I've set it to 200 and now I don't have an infinite number of head
parking as before!
Because setting it to 200 is defined to not permit spin-down. It
This bug is far from being fixed. I am using the latest -proposed
packages in intrepid. Same behavior for me as for other reporters: When
I boot up on AC power - no problems.
When I go to battery, the issue appears and will STAY even when I
reconnect AC power. I get around 10 load/unload cycles
Well. I think that hdparm -B 128 is a too low value... This is the
problem!
I've set it to 200 and now I don't have an infinite number of head
parking as before!
you have to edit the files named 90-hdparm.sh in the directories and
replace 128 with 200
/etc/acpi/ac.d/
/etc/acpi/start.d/
I really don't understand why there are still these kind of files under
/etc/acpi while there is the the new infrastructure under /usr/lib/pm-
utils/. These kind of problems should be adressed only in one place to
keep the solution simple and maintainable.
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I've just installed a brand new kubuntu 8.04 on a Dell Latitude D630;
after the first boot I did an upgrade (without upgrading to 8.10
though), and the clicking problem is NOT there, load cycle NEVER
increased in hours...
However, laptop mode is not enabled, so this was fixed somewhere else?
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ehm... I gave it for granted: my laptop's HDD is affected by this bug,
in fact, in previous versions of kubuntu I was using the ugly fix. (I
started with 7.04 and then upgraded the system up to 8.04.)
Then today, I decided to install 8.04 from scratch and the bug is not
there anymore (of course,
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 04:52:42PM -, Lorenzo Bettini wrote:
On battery the cycle counts is more than 100 per hour, is this
reasonable?
Is it reasonable: no, but I don't think we can fix the problem of frequent
un-parking from any of the power management packages.
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I'm on acpi-support 0.119 and pm-utils 1.2.2.4-0ubuntu2
When I'm on battery I hear very frequently the spin down noise. I bought
my new laptop 1 month ago and the load cycle is 5180. Do you think I
suffer this bug?
Now I set up /etc/laptop-mode/laptop-mode.conf using
Nicolò Chieffo wrote:
I'm on acpi-support 0.119 and pm-utils 1.2.2.4-0ubuntu2
When I'm on battery I hear very frequently the spin down noise. I bought
my new laptop 1 month ago and the load cycle is 5180. Do you think I
suffer this bug?
Probably. But 5180 in one month is fine: that's about
Thanks for the information. Anyway I noticed that leaving for 15
minutes my laptop on battery (with 128 as -B configuration), the
Load_Cycle raised of 15 (more or less). So I get one load cycle a
minute (fortunately only on battery). Is this the same case of you?
Why is my disk woken up once a
Hi Nicolò,
Nicolò Chieffo wrote:
Thanks for the information. Anyway I noticed that leaving for 15
minutes my laptop on battery (with 128 as -B configuration), the
Load_Cycle raised of 15 (more or less). So I get one load cycle a
minute (fortunately only on battery). Is this the same case of
It's ok for me that my disk saves power while on battery, but I cannot
understand why once the read head is unloaded, every minute it is
loaded again. If the PC is idle who is causing the load cycle?
There might be a process that every minute accesses the disk, which is
not ok (in my opinion)
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Nicolò Chieffo wrote:
It's ok for me that my disk saves power while on battery, but I cannot
understand why once the read head is unloaded, every minute it is
loaded again. If the PC is idle who is causing the load cycle?
There might be a process that every minute accesses the disk, which is
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Nicolò Chieffo 84ye...@gmail.com wrote:
It's ok for me that my disk saves power while on battery, but I cannot
understand why once the read head is unloaded, every minute it is
loaded again. If the PC is idle who is causing the load cycle?
There might be a
That's right, sorry. Yung-Chin thanks for the page. I will try to find
out which is the process that accesses the disk.
Bye
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After latest acpi-support update bug looks like fixed on my 8.10 but with
one exception. When I close my laptop screen disk start to load/unload
cycles again.
Is it a rule on laptop hard disk with closed screen? Is it Your idea to make
something like protection of moving laptop with closed screen
SirLancelot wrote:
After latest acpi-support update bug looks like fixed on my 8.10 but with
one exception. When I close my laptop screen disk start to load/unload
cycles again.
Is it a rule on laptop hard disk with closed screen? Is it Your idea to make
something like protection of moving
Reducing the frequency of unparking is nearly impossible in Ubuntu, at least
for the developers atm.
It isn't enough to higher the DIRTY_RATIO like laptop-mode does or exit or
disabling hal-polling. If apps like Firefox are used they poll very often.
I personally got longer sleep times (nearly a
Wouldn't it be the task of DeviceKit-disks to check for the drive's
health and disable parking when it's happening too often or when the
disk is near its end of life? I know it already does some SMART checks,
so it could be easy to add this feature, and IMHO it's the place where
things like that
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Hi Adam,
That seems like a good idea to me. I have this problem on two thinkpads,
a 600E and an X40.
I gave the 600E to my sister a while back and it now runs XP, but it
still has the clicking problem. It has a Hitachi drive similar to the
one in my X40, but I don't recall the exact number.
The Thinkpad X40 uses 1.8 hard drives that have clicking (and failing)
issues all of themselves. Your issues are probably unrelated to the bug
at hand.
I am getting this issue with my new X200s Thinkpad using stock BIOS. It
has a Seagate SATA ST91660827AS hard drive, firmware version: 3.CMF. The
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doesn't appear to be anything actionable here on linux/linux-meta,
marking these tasks 'invalid'.
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May I suggest that anyone who still has issues and comments on this
bug should include this information:
Laptop make and model
BIOS version
Hard disk make, model, and firmware revision (available from smartctl)
Perhaps we can discover a pattern of manufacturers or models which
handle certain
Maybe it is/was better to poll the hard drive on effected systen every x
seconds to prevent spinning down but still let use the ohter features of apm.
Maybe the hardware vendors/ hard driver producers should be contacted how they
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Not solved for me either. Noticed by loud clicks. Laptop mode disabled.
Seems to only appear once I suspend the computer and bring it back from
suspend. Load cycle counter increase of about 60 in 15 minutes.
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Would it be possible for some influential ubuntu developer to talk to
manufacturer and ask what policy would they use on their drives? It
seems to me that there are too many unsolved problems and this bug is
the second most commented bug on launchpad.
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Hi,
This problem really exist on Ubuntu 8.10 and it's even worse than earlier
because some packages was updated to fix this problem, some system files
works different than earlier to fix this problem and effect of this fixes
is that people simly couldn't solve clicking their hard drives because
Steve Langasek: sure, there's a tradeoff... but with sufficient
knowledge, perhaps we could make it less bad. Suppose the hard-drive is
specced to 60 load-cycles. With smartctl we can measure the current
number of load-cycles. Suppose there have already been 70 load-
cycles: wouldn't
@ Łukasz Graczyk:
I attach unmodified version of my Intrepid /etc/laptop-mode/laptop-mode.conf.
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Thanks Michał.
For this moment only issue that really works for me in 8.10 is:
1/ sudo gedit /etc/default/acpi-support
ENABLE_LAPTOP_MODE=true
2/ sudo gedit /etc/laptop-mode/laptop-mode.conf
http://wklej.org/id/44454/
Every other issues for me don't stop clicking even on AC.
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On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 06:13:26PM -, Isaac Dupree wrote:
- hard drives seem to be quite uncooperative: there might not be *any*
good way to tell one don't park any more often than X times an hour,
In fact there isn't. Parking is handled by the drive itself according to
the APM power
the bug it's not solve!
i have increment of cycle when my laptop work with battery
please solve!
thanks
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It is intented that the hard drive be parked when running on battery,
there's a trade-off between hard drive longevity and power usage. We do
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Steve Langasek, ok the hard drive can be parked when running on battery,
but sometimes it is too much (particularly when you do nothing, you let
the computer alone on battery).
Last time, it parked about 400~500 times in 1 hour.
That's why I reapplied the fix which always set hdparm to 254.
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2009, ®om wrote:
Last time, it parked about 400~500 times in 1 hour.
That would be once every 7-9 seconds. Is it even parking spinning down that
qiuckly?
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High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695
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Using the fix/updated acpi-support, my hdd gets very hot while idling.
hddtemp says:
$ sudo hddtemp /dev/sda
/dev/sda: TOSHIBA MK1637GSX: 55°C
which is its maximum operating temperature. I don't want to think about
what could happen if I make this drive doing sth.
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On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 01:05:20AM -, Cyberlion wrote:
The bug solved, but the problem with the battery use is critical. And
the HD is working in high temperature.
There is nothing in this change that should cause battery use to increase.
I think you should file a new bug report providing
I had the Cycle Count increased by more than 800 since yesterday.
I reapply this fix :
cmd='hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda';sudo $cmd echo -e '#!/bin/sh\n'$cmd
/tmp/hdfix sudo install /tmp/hdfix /etc/pm/power.d/00-hdparm.sh sudo
install /tmp/hdfix /etc/pm/sleep.d/00-hdparm.sh
to avoid the problem.
The bug is mostly resolved, but there is still the problem sometimes
when I let the laptop alone on battery (without doing anything). This
morning I had the cycle count incremented by 30 in 2 minutes, and
yesterday about 400 in (??? I don't know, but not a very long time).
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