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Evolution virtual trash / real trash on IMAP server
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This problem has returned in Ubuntu 12.10 - Evolution's account options
were simplified and there is no place to set default junk or trash
folder (only drafts and sent).
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Boleslaw, you misunderstand. A protocol has nothing to do with a user
interface. These are two distinct things.
Look at the POP-protocol: it has no folders, it has no trash and it is not
designed to leave mail on the server. But many mail clients have local folders,
local trash, and leave mail
Again, as you noted - there are clients doing that, so this is not a
technical limitation of the IMAP protocol. I admit I have not studied
the RFC for IMAP, perhaps it says that the only accepted way to delete
mail is to mark them as deleted instead of moving it to the Trash
folder.
Be it this
Oh, jofa, man you are so in the dark. Old fashioned technical
arguments is what your Linux is built upon. On open standards, which
are being adhered to. If you want to have user experience to have higher
priority than old fashioned technical arguments, go to Microsoft. They
broke a great deal of
Simply, it has always been a show-stopper for me.
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Don't mind about it. Evolution is history. Canonical has decided to make
Thunderbird the default mail client, and they did it right. The
evolution of evolution got stuck in the last century. If someone is
argueing this is the way how imap is designed to work, he is not
willing to make his piece of
Like Jochen said, this feature is still not supported. I tried with both
IMAP and IMAP+ on Evolution 2.32.2. The mail server is Exchange 2010.
In help manual, it says When you press Delete or click the Trash folder, your
mail is not actually deleted, but is marked for deletion. Your email is
I now have upgraded to Natty, but I cannot find these settings for
Allow normal, non-vFolder, Trash and Junk folder. Where are these new
settings?
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I pulled the package from Natty repository. Not an ideal solution but it
seems to be working fine so far. I needed to update libgtkhtml-editor0
in addition.
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Is it possible to install evolution (2.32.0-0ubuntu1) on Maverick?
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This bug was fixed in the package evolution - 2.32.0-0ubuntu1
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evolution (2.32.0-0ubuntu1) natty; urgency=low
* Upstream release 2.32.0
- Empty reply quotation for HTML messages (LP: #630566, #659513)
- Encrypt to self by default on newly created mail (LP: #326979)
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** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/evolution-data-server
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/evolution
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Since this patch has essentially been forwarded from the upstream bug
tracker, I'm marking this bug as patch-forwarded-upstream.
** Tags added: patch-forwarded-upstream
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Assignee: Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs) = (unassigned)
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Why do people use DELETE as a means to archive emails? Because all I
need to do is click the DELETE button, or press the DELETE key, to
delete the message. I would be happy to archive my email differently, if
it were even mildly convenient. In Evolution, to archive an email, I
need to:
1.
[off-topic, since it this is more of a support response]
John Sullivan and others: When I used Evolution, I used search folders.
I had a special search folder for the unread e-mails. When the e-mail
was irrelevant, I just marked it as read using the keyboard shortcut.
I think it was Ctrl+J.
As
I totally agree. I will never be able to use or recommend Evolution
until this issue is solved.
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I have to agree it is all about freedom...
Ain't this what we are all about freedom
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OMG, this bug is about nine years old, and nothing happend yet -
evolution is still messing up with IMAP and my googlemail-account.
I would _really do_ prefer, if evolution would leave me a choice how to
handle junk and trash (vfolder vs. mapping the real folder).
Thanks in advance
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Just wanted to add, I appreciate Evolution doing things the right way,
but not having the option to have deleting move the message to the
server's Trash folder (and allowing defining what folder to use as the
trash) breaks Gmail's IMAP, since on Gmail IMAP marking a message as
deleted then
I do not see what is the problem with having Evo direct deleted messages
into an IMAP folder. Please, can anyone explain how this is different
from the action of moving the messages from one folder into another???
One can move messages into the IMAP Deleted Items (or whatever the name
of it)
I agree as well. When I set up systems for others I am forced to install
thunderbird because of this issue.
Is there no way to have a poll about this?
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I accept that Evolution is implementing IMAP as intended, however the
YOUR DOING IT WRONG argument is a silly one. Usability is about
producing a system which works in a human natural way, not necessarily
the most sensible. Users of IMAP want to be able to view and manage
their emails in a
There is nothing left to say!
Totally agree!
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From #25 Just lost over 800 deleted emails.
My response: so what? didn't you just deleted them?
If you didn't want to lose them, you shouldn't have deleted them in the first
place.
If you wanted to keep them, just not in your inbox, you should've stored them
in an folder.
TRASH IS NOT AN
What could we do in order to vote for this feature ? I know a lot of
users (including myself) preferring Thunderbird over Evo on Ubuntu
because of the lack of this feature, and despite the better integration
of Evo. What a pity !
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@Carl:
Sorry you didn't understand how Evo works... the Evo-Trash-Folder ist not local
on your client, it is virtual and contains all messages marked with the
DELETED-flag. So the message stays in INBOX.friends, but is marked as deleted.
When Evo lists all the messages of INBOX.friends, it only
It is possible that I have misunderstood how Evu works, but one thing is
for certain, you misunderstood the main point and I will tell this from
a more practical point of view, something reproductive. If anyone wants
to try it out, I will gladly open an email account just for the
research, if we
A note about the directory structure.
As you can see on the picture, the INBOX.Trash is not iconized as trash, but is
actually showing the contents of the trash folder on the server. The Trash
folder on the other hand, is icinized as trash, but is outside the structure of
the INBOX and is not
This bug is not a discussion about the best way to implement IMAP. It
exists two concurrents way of doing, one adds flag and virtual trash,
another one move emails to a trash folder. Of course, I well see the
point of Evo devs: it is faster to marks email as deleted than move
them. But that is
For Delete message Evolution is using:
IMAPv4 EXPUNGE Command
instead of
\Deleted flag set
For search message Evolution is using:
fetch all mail, inclusive body where apply, and do a local search (The POP3
way)
instead of
IMAPv4 SEARCH Command
Here is a fresh example why it is a
not sure what the recent comment is about, evolution does flag delete
emails which is what users complain about on this bug since there are
some to want delete to erase emails rather than flag those
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Sebastien is correct that Carl's message is missing information. Evo
most definitely DOES mark messages as deleted and does NOT expunge them
(unless you use the Expunge action of course; the keybinding for this is
CTRL-E so it's possible Carl hit it by accident). The entire concept of
storing
As we have a patch, it would be great to have package then. Like Felipe,
I have no skills in packaging but I'm really willing to do my best as
tester. Please, can somebody package it in his PPA ?
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Frederik Elwert wrote on 2008-06-19: Evolution is actually correct
here: http://deflexion.com/2006/05/imap-way-of-deleting-message
No, evolution is not correct. The correct behavior would be to not
allow messages to be moved, since IMAP does not support moving messages.
If the Evolution devs
The upstream bug has a patch that has been considered to work. Can this
be targeted for Karmic?
If so, can I as a tester help in any way? I have little to none
packaging skills, but I'm willing to spend a few hours if it will mean
that this patch will make it into Karmic (assuming it's not
** Attachment added: upstream patch - eds part
http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30885841/gn206061_eds.patch
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http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30885863/gn206061_evo.patch
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same problem here, i was about to open a new bug report but i seem to
understand this a problem with evolution (at first i thought it was a
problem with the imap server)... I agree, this is irritating, I am
attaching a screenshot: compare with kmail's behaviour and the web
client: deleted an email
I agree with Guillaume, I'm also a bit disappointed. On my phone I can
easily select the folder that it should threat as trash, but when I
first could not find this feature in Evolution I was very confused. This
should be available. Other than this minor anoyance, I think Evolution
is the best
I still have this problem with Jaunty... Although the bug was posted in
2005 !!! Who I must kill to have an fucking checkbox with Use server
Trash and Junk folders ? Since 2005, nobody finds a fix for this
behaviour
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The comment above you mentions a fix (via plugin) in the upstream
report. Before you go cussing out the developers here, you could at
least try it and say if it works or not.
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Sorry, I didn't find that plugin...The tarball contains Makefile.am and
sources but no configure neither makefile . And, thus I didn't success
to compile it. Maybe you are able to fix that, not me...
I'm sorry to be aggressive but when I see the evolution FAQ (http://www
.go-
Upstream bugreport has eplugin for disabling virtual folders on imap
accounts. (It someone has a few hours to integrate that into evolution
source and upload to his/her ppa, it would be much appreciated...; I
cannot do it ATM unfortunately)
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I have 1 Evolution Trash and one IMAP Trash.
I don't have the correct icons for my IMAP folders also.
I rather would have the Thunderbird/Lightning combination syncing with
gnome-pilot, since Mozilla does more active development IMO.
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Evolution is actually correct here: http://deflexion.com/2006/05/imap-
way-of-deleting-message
But if the users whish for a non-standard way, it might be nice to have
a non-default option to move deleted mails. But be aware that you aks
the developers to implement something wrong.
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I agree that this is very annoying. However, it is possible to do this
currently. Just go into your folder, and then press Ctrl+E. It should
permanently delete all messages that are marked as 'deleted'.
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This 'fix' sounds like a workaround. Why would I want messages marked
for deletion laying around in the inbox in the first place?
If this behaviour is opt-in in other clients, Evolution should at least
make this behaviour opt-out.
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Wouldn't the fix for this problem, be to expunge your messages? Why
do you keep so many delete messages around? Evolution is correct with
the way it handles deleted mail(marked as delete not moved to trash).
Other clients can be configured to work in this way and is the way the
IMAP standard
IMO this behaviour defeats the purpose of IMAP. The main reason for
using IMAP, at least in my case, is to have my mail in sync, wherever I
am. With Evolution I have to download heaps of deleted messages to my
cell phone just because Evolution can't get it right.
If they can't understand that
So that's basically a good luck, nobody's ever going to fix this
horribly broken behaviour then, since Paul already pointed out upstream
seems to have no intention of fixing it?
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There is ten of thousand of bugs opened and this one is not a priority I
doubt that somebody from the Ubuntu team will work on this any time
soon, upstream would be a better place to ask for comments
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I'm sorry to post here instead of upstream, but there have been ~17
duplicates over 6 years and no developer action, leading me to believe
that upstream is *not* the place to get this fixed. Is there anything to
be done to motivate an actual fix? Someone (within Ubuntu, maybe) to
beg, or a bounty
Same bug, but for the Spam folder : Bug #135485
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