[Bug 264196] Re: [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on
I suggest to open a bugreport in upstream's X.Org freedesktop bug tracker, as I did for the (related) bug #278078. -- [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/264196 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 264196] Re: [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on
I'm the author of the bug #278078 post. Reading this current bug description comments, I can see that both bugreports seems to be closely related. Unfortunately, I haven't got luck with the upstream developers since I opened the bugreport in freedesktop on 2008-10-06: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17925 The xset r rate 500 25 workaround serves as a method to ease the reproduction of the left, down end keys issue. -- [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/264196 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 264196] Re: [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on
Okay, so I've discovered that on my laptop the in-built keyboard and the USB keyboard are behaving differently. Initially they both had the small delay problem. The xset command affects them both in the same way as the keyboard options dialog (i.e. only slightly and with the delay too small). However, the kbdrate command successfully increases the delay on the laptop keyboard but does not affect my USB keyboard. Furthermore, if I do: kbdrate -r 2 -d 500 then the laptop keyboard behaves as expected and has a very slow repeat rate. But if I do kbdrate -r 2 -d 1000 and hold down a key I get a fast repeat for a second or so and then it becomes as slow as it should be. Again, kbdrate does not affect my USB keyboard. I hope these observations help someone find the root of the problem. -- [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/264196 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 264196] Re: [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on
I am also affected by this bug. I have installed Ubuntu 8.10 through the alternate CD, and afterwards installed Xubuntu-desktop. The keyboard repeat delay was too short, and I could not change it with the Xfce GUI, the Gnome GUI or with the xset command. Interestingly, typing xset q does reflect the changes made with either the GUI or with the xset r rate command, but the actual keyboard behavior is *not* affected. I have yesterday installed Kubuntu 8.10 (through the final release alternate CD) in a friend's computer, and updated it shortly after install. Same problem there. However, I the command kbdrate *does* work in my computer. After I type sudo kbdrate -r 25 -d 500 in an rxvt, the keyboard starts to behave (have not tested yet if the fix lasts after a reboot) -- [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/264196 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 264196] Re: [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on
I thought I would give a xset a try but I don't understand the syntax. I think it is clear enough in the man page. The xset manpage has two paragraphs for the r option. The second paragraph says If the server supports the XFree86-Misc extension, or the XKB extension, then a parameter of ’rate’ is accepted and should be followed by zero, one or two numeric values. The first specifies the delay before autorepeat starts and the second specifies the repeat rate. In the case that the server supports the XKB extension, the delay is the number of milliseconds before autorepeat starts, and the rate is the number of repeats per second. If the rate or delay is not given, it will be set to the default value. So if you want a reasonable delay of 500ms a a repeat rate of 25 characters per second, you would type xset r rate 500 25 Typing xset q (which shows the parameters in effect) then reflects the change. I does *not*, however, make an actual difference in keyboard behavior (which is probably due to this very bug). My workaround for this problem is adding the line kbdrate -r 25 -d 500 to the file /etc/rc.local This fixed the problem for me, with no visible side effects so far. -- [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/264196 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 264196] Re: [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on
I thought I would give a xset a try but I don't understand the syntax. When I type xset this is how it tells me to use the parameter: r rate [delay [rate]] So what are you actually supposed to type to set a delay and a rate? -- [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/264196 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 264196] Re: [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on
Thank you @Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto! That is the best work-around so-far. It was getting to be almost impossible to work effectively because of this bug, and now I can. My keyboard acts exactly as I expect it to now, without repeating characters/spaces, and I can use my arrow keys (another bug discussed earlier). -- [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/264196 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 264196] Re: [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on
(In reply to the immediately previous comment, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/264196/comments/27) You are welcome. I welcome everyone else to test this workaround, and, if you all like it better than the one involving editing xorg.conf, someone could add it to the topmost (first) post of this bug report, to help people with the same problem who browse this page (assuming it is possible to edit an already-submitted post). And the importance of this bug should be changed from undecided to at least medium or the like (I don't know what are the selectable values), as it makes the computer use quite annoying, and I imagine would be a show-stopper for disabled people with poor hand dexterity. -- [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/264196 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 264196] Re: [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on
** Description changed: go to System Preferences Keyboard General The controls under Repeat Keys are failing to properly adjust the timing of how fast keys are repeated when held down. I filed under gnome, but a person there thinks its an xorg bug in ubuntu: http://bugzilla.gnome.org show_bug.cgi?id=550242 It has become quite clear that this is a problem with the xorg-evdev driver, and intrepids new hotplug architecture. Here is a workaround for this: Temporarily add the following to your xorg.conf: Section ServerFlags Option AutoAddDevices off EndSection Restart X, and you will be able to change the settings. Once changed, you can remove those lines from your xorg.conf (which is recommended since setting AutoAddDevices to off can interfere with your keyboard) + + Another workaround is to set the repeat rate manually, see this comment + for directions: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg- + input-evdev/+bug/264196/comments/26 + + This bug may also be related to bug 278078 ** Description changed: go to System Preferences Keyboard General The controls under Repeat Keys are failing to properly adjust the timing of how fast keys are repeated when held down. I filed under gnome, but a person there thinks its an xorg bug in ubuntu: http://bugzilla.gnome.org show_bug.cgi?id=550242 It has become quite clear that this is a problem with the xorg-evdev driver, and intrepids new hotplug architecture. + Here is a workaround for this: Temporarily add the following to your xorg.conf: Section ServerFlags Option AutoAddDevices off EndSection Restart X, and you will be able to change the settings. Once changed, you can remove those lines from your xorg.conf (which is recommended since setting AutoAddDevices to off can interfere with your keyboard) - Another workaround is to set the repeat rate manually, see this comment - for directions: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg- - input-evdev/+bug/264196/comments/26 + + Another workaround is to set the repeat rate manually, see this comment for directions: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/264196/comments/26 + This bug may also be related to bug 278078 ** Description changed: go to System Preferences Keyboard General The controls under Repeat Keys are failing to properly adjust the timing of how fast keys are repeated when held down. I filed under gnome, but a person there thinks its an xorg bug in ubuntu: http://bugzilla.gnome.org show_bug.cgi?id=550242 It has become quite clear that this is a problem with the xorg-evdev driver, and intrepids new hotplug architecture. Here is a workaround for this: Temporarily add the following to your xorg.conf: Section ServerFlags Option AutoAddDevices off EndSection Restart X, and you will be able to change the settings. Once changed, you can remove those lines from your xorg.conf (which is recommended since setting AutoAddDevices to off can interfere with your keyboard) - Another workaround is to set the repeat rate manually, see this comment for directions: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/264196/comments/26 + Another (and possibly better) workaround is to set the repeat rate manually, see this comment for directions: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/264196/comments/26 This bug may also be related to bug 278078 -- [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/264196 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 264196] Re: [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on
Great find! Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto. I am setting this too. First impression: Awesome. Will post anything abnormal IF found. Thanks again, Sarath. -- [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/264196 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 264196] Re: [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on
Quote: Once changed, you can remove those lines from your xorg.conf (which is recommended since setting AutoAddDevices to off can interfere with your keyboard) If i remove the lines and restart X, again the keys ignore the repeat settings. I found another way of dealing with this. In the same settings Accessibility tab, enable slow keys and set the delay to very less, It will simulate the expected experience -- [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/264196 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 264196] Re: [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on
Well, it seems silly (that we have to resort to this)- but Sarath's solution works very well. Just be sure to set the delay all the way to short. -- [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/264196 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 264196] Re: [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on
One small annoyance with using the Accessibility work-around, which at this point is less of a problem for me than the insanely repeating keys I'm otherwise experiencing... For some reason, enabling slow keys is disabling the repeat completely on my down and left arrow keys. It is a trade-off I'm willing to live with for now, but I hope this bug gets fixed soon. -- [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/264196 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 264196] Re: [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on
God! wolfwitch is right. It does take off your clothes on down and left keys. I looked up, it is another bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/278078 -- [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/264196 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 264196] Re: [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on
I've actually decided, after doing some coding this morning, that it is a trade-off I'm NOT willing to live with. It's unfortunate that with all the advances Linux has made over the last couple of years, we now have to deal with a stupid flaky keyboard driver. Will my mouse stop working next? -- [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/264196 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 264196] Re: [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on
Just confirming that I the Slow Keys workaround does the same thing for me too. With it enabled on the lowest setting typing is perfect but there is no repeat on left and down cursor keys. I agree, wolfwitch, that it is ridiculous that these bugs exist. I hope that when they are fixed the developers don't consider that alone as some kind of triumph. They should instead examine how it was possible for the bugs to appear and get through to a final release and how that can be avoided in the future. Not to be too harsh, though. Intrepid was an excellent release for me in general but for Ubuntu to compete in the mainstream as it wishes to do it cannot afford for too many glitches of sort to appear and remain unsolved for more than a few weeks. -- [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/264196 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 264196] Re: [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on
I've got this problem too. Tried using the disable AutoAddDevices temporarily workaround and this fixed the problem but only until I restarted. I've also noticed, that the delay slider in Keyboard Preferences does have some effect, but it is very slight. Try comparing the lowest setting with the highest. The highest will have a long delay but it's still way too short. I keep typing liiie thisss when I let my guard down. -- [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/264196 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 264196] Re: [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on
I have an odd twist on this. For me, it seems like there are two settings. If I set the delay to minimum, and the speed to max, I get the following behavior: Immediately repeat is very fast, until the default (unconfigurable) delay time expires, at which point the repeat rate slows down again. Not sure where the second, unconfigurable delay time and repeat speed settings are coming from. -- [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/264196 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 264196] Re: [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on
I noticed the same problem as Nolan. Further, I was able to modify my settings using the System Preferences Keyboard GUI until today. I tried changing the repeat rate with kbdrate and then noticed that the settings in the GUI didn't have any effect any more. I've been tracking down keyboard repeat bugs since Friday. I wonder if this bug might be somehow related? http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17925 -- [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/264196 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 264196] Re: [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on
I find that before using the workaround, setting the keyboard delay slider all the way to the right *does* increase the delay time, but not by as much as it should. -- [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/264196 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 264196] Re: [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on
Same here. This is really annoying. In my case that workaround does the trick, but as someone reported lots of my keys won't work. But here, if I remove those lines the issue will happen again no matter what I trie :( -- [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/264196 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 264196] Re: [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on
Per the comments later on- disable AutoAddDevices TEMPORARILY. Adjust the key delay/repeat until it is what is desired, then re-enable AutoAddDevices. It's a PITA if it takes you awhile to tweak your keyboard repeat just-right, but it works. Once you re-enable AutoAddDevices- your multimedia, laptop function, and other special keys should work again (assuming they did to begin with). Also- remember to restart X after each step. -- [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/264196 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 264196] Re: [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on
thanks for the comments guys. Hopefully the description is accurate at this point. and also: /me crosses fingers and hopes that this bug gets some attention ** Summary changed: - [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust + [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on ** Description changed: go to System Preferences Keyboard General The controls under Repeat Keys are failing to properly adjust the timing of how fast keys are repeated when held down. I filed under gnome, but a person there thinks its an xorg bug in ubuntu: http://bugzilla.gnome.org show_bug.cgi?id=550242 It has become quite clear that this is a problem with the xorg-evdev driver, and intrepids new hotplug architecture. - Here is a workaround for this, which is to disable the AutoAddDevices - server flag. + Here is a workaround for this: - In xorg.conf: + Temporarily add the following to your xorg.conf: Section ServerFlags Option AutoAddDevices off EndSection - - This workaround disables the evdev driver (your keyboard and mouse driver). This is know to cause problems like disabling multimedia keys. + Restart X, and you will be able to change the settings. Once changed, + you can remove those lines from your xorg.conf (which is recommended + since setting AutoAddDevices to off can interfere with your keyboard) -- [intrepid] keyboard Repeat Keys is failing to adjust, when AutoAddDevices is on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/264196 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
