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LStranger, this is not a bug, it is a non-specific design suggestion.
Three ways you can tell it is not a bug are that the the summary starts
with please, the summary does not describe a problem, and the
description uses the word usability as a rhetorical bludgeon. I
covered these mistakes in my
I find it very frustrating to have to click on the battery icon to see
how much battery I have left since the icon is so obscure. If it was a
percentage, that'd be even better.
But, more to the point of my post:
Where is this title text option you speak of?
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@netman Not to be rude but:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu+battery+indicator+text
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Cas, linking to lmgtfy.com is rude.
Even worse, the top Google result is out of date, describing the 11.04
battery indicator which was changed in 11.10 to not include an option to
show the battery percentage. The Ubuntu designers currently seem to
think that people would rather see the time
This bug is a very annoying one. I understand it's a new design which you've
decided to have but this is one of reasons to hear from people: Welcome to
Windows, dude, there is no such problems there! And such bugs are why people
are refusing to migrate from Windows unfortunately. Just my 5
May be I missed my point in the comment. I'm using Weather Indicator and
it is the ONLY item in my lxpanel which doesn't have a tooltip and I
don't know any possibility to have it. And I don't like to have some
additional subpanel with very much limited info (it shows only temp in
the price of
FYI, those are two solutions I proposed to give information when mouse
was on-hover the indicators using the top-panel bar.
However unfortunately this won't be accepted for upstream :(
Screencast of my prototype version: http://go.3v1n0.net/tjTi1S
Mockup: http://go.3v1n0.net/vtmqkC
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both solutions look terrific. I like more the on-hover tooltips,
however, it might probably cause some issues with adjusting font sizes
of the tooltip text etc., which should fit different icons and that
might cause problems if the icon theme is changed. I assume this might
have been the reason
@Matthew Paul Thomas (m...@canonical.com)
the menu item never did nothing, but it wasn't obvious
what it did. That's now fixed (bug 699899). If you see any problem with
spacing between icons, please report that as a separate bug.
Glad the menu bug is fixed - thanks.
Spacing between icons was
Stephen Roberts, the menu item never did nothing, but it wasn't obvious
what it did. That's now fixed (bug 699899). If you see any problem with
spacing between icons, please report that as a separate bug.
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treviňo and matthew, what exactly did you mean by clicking?
unconsistency of the animation of the sliding icons, or collision with
the fading part of the window title? well, it is a difficult question, I
am not a developer... but I really can imagine it to work. however, the
second idea treviňo
Ted Howard: Tooltips are not functionality, they are one possible way
of presenting information. Tooltips work well when you can rely on every
item in a group having one (e.g. every button in a toolbar), otherwise
time is wasted in hovering over an item waiting for a tooltip that never
comes. Most
damn, treviňo's idea is a break-through! but I would rather suggest
the extra information to be not the title of the icon, but real extra
info, like volume percentage, wifi signal strength, or all undisplayed
data in the calendar (like weekday, ...). u could also consider putting
(the now
Thanks zsolt.ruszinyák for your appreciation, however I can agree with
MPT about the fact that sliding can cause clicking over the adjacent
indicators harder and time-consuming (but not as much going over an
indicator - click and look for the needed information).
However, another idea that can be
@Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) #202
So, some items don't have tooltips, so remove all the tooltips. I don't
accept that as sensible. Some were showing useful information. Now
they're not.
The alternative, showing things e.g. rhythmbox track information as menu
items on the sound indicator. Well
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 08:30, Oliver Joos 527...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
Sorry for getting off-topic. I just cannot stay calm reading everywhere
that Ubuntu gets ruined. Me too, I liked it out-of-the-box from Breezy
to Jaunty. For Natty I recommend the following 5 commands [...]
Thanks for
Sorry for getting off-topic. I just cannot stay calm reading everywhere
that Ubuntu gets ruined. Me too, I liked it out-of-the-box from Breezy
to Jaunty. For Natty I recommend the following 5 commands, and if anyone
knows a cheap way to bring back tooltips, please share it! Hope this
helps to keep
Alex Mandel, I would be delighted to see a branch that let the battery menu
optionally show time remaining in its title.
That would be much quicker to see than a tooltip would.
MPT, what about supporting on-hover indicator menu title showing? I
mean, when you move your mouse over an indicator
Ha! I just discovered this bug report and now I know why I have been
losing tool-tips on indicator applets over the past few versions. The
decision(s) to remove or drastically change functionality like this
[without giving the user an adequate and easy way to get the
functionality back] are
I have read more comments and other views and have come to the conclusion that
Ubuntu may not be for me.
On the plus side the installation experience was fantastic, the initial
impression from the way it looked was good.
On the minus side an update of the system froze the GUI and required a hard
On 06/06/2011 18:54, Patrik Floding wrote:
I have read more comments and other views and have come to the conclusion
that Ubuntu may not be for me.
I'm sorry to hear that. Have a good trip finding another Linux
distribution.
On the plus side the installation experience was fantastic, the
Unity is not about dumbing down the GUI, but about progressing towards the
ultimate user
interface, that sweet spot that satisfies everyone
There is no such thing. Someone once claimed that everything had already been
invented. That is a very similar statement. But thanks for making a fanboy
Patrick, ur comment is way out of the topic, we are talking about
tooltips and the functionalities removed with them! Regarding Unity, it
has its problems, but it is still very early. I really LOVE Unity, it
shows that Canonical has the brains, unlike the Gnome team. It is a base
for a completely
Coming back to topic then: I just fired up the Mac OSX and the top bar
behaves very much like in Unity. The reason I have never though about
the OSX top bar not having tooltips is that all the needed information
is available without clicking. (This is not on a laptop, so I don't know
what OSX
Alex Mandel, I would be delighted to see a branch that let the battery
menu optionally show time remaining in its title. That would be much
quicker to see than a tooltip would.
Patrick Floding, we have no evidence that a tooltip would make
substantially more people understand that System Settings
@Matthew: thanks for picking up my point!
as far as I can tell wlan power is not shown in any of Network
Manager's windows, either.
That's why I miss its tooltip. I don't agree that it is a bug of panel
applets to rely on their tooltips. The bug is in the new indicator
applet and the report is
Tooltips are a good GUI invention that's been around for ages. I
believed something was wrong with the installation when I installed
Narwal. Generally Ubuntu has improved a lot, but the missing tooltips is
just plain stupid, and it was a pain to find the system configuration
stuff -a tooltop for
somebody earlier promised here, that the next release of ubuntu would
bring back the possibility to check volume percentage, which was some 2
or 3 releases ago and still nothing. I think ubuntu is the only OS on
the world where u can't check the exact percentage of ur volume
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Indeed! Especially the volume-display sucks. No Volume, no battery-load,
no display-informationwhy are you making this so complicated?
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I also miss the popup showing the wlan power! Opening a terminal and
typing 'ifconfig' when video streaming stutters to check why is not for
human beings, is it?
I don't prefer Linux because it's cheaper than MacOS, but because it is
open in many ways: its source as well as its system state! It
Don't just remove something that worked perfectly.
Bring back tooltips!
Stop making me click and click and click and click, just to get a small amount
of info that could and in some cases should be displayed in a simple tooltip.
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i also think that too much clicks are bad idea, even for new users, and
- maybe Open Menu on RollOver (MouseEvent.MOUSE_OVER)
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I can see various pros and cons of the situation. What I would love is
not intentionally limiting customization. Seems that each new version of
ubuntu core UI functions get changed in an attempt to make the interface
better, but I caution against making it really hard for users to switch
or
I updated two days ago to Lucid and I am finding the whole indicator stuff on
the right to be totally annoying even if it is not new anymore.
I miss the tooltips, I hate the bluetooth icon, I hate the me-menu and the
session button without icons.
This indicator technology has potential but is
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:37, Andrea Ratto 527...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
I hate the me-menu and the session button without icons.
This indicator technology has potential but is incomplete and not
customizable to fit all users' needs. It's five years and still this distro
is managed like
Tooltip in indicator-applet session is very important, does anybody can tell me
what is the Text entry used for?
I think No tooltip does hurt the user experience. :)
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On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 02:29, Perky perkys...@gmail.com wrote:
I can see from Mark's view that there needs to be an alternative to
tooltips on tablets. However, at the moment such devices are 'toys'.
Not just at the moment, IMHO. You can't turn a car into an airplane -
that is different
I've read all of Mark Shuttleworth's comments and he didn't say a thing
about transmission transfer rates, battery state or rhythmbox issues...
I guess we will have a bunch of indicators with the required information
cluttering our titlebars, or in the worst case, no information at all.
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I can see from Mark's view that there needs to be an alternative to
tooltips on tablets. However, at the moment such devices are 'toys'.
In comparison to traditional laptops/desktops they are not as good for
getting work done (depending on the work). This will probably change as
they mature
That also may explain the spacing in the indicator applets (room for
finger touch).
I guess we have to be happy with alternative applets - for
upload/download speeds you can use netspeed applet. There are also
alternative battery applets out there, and the gnome-volume-control-
applet provides
Lucid already is using those tooltips :P Although its officially planned
for gtk3 but Ubuntu cherry picked those patches.
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Lucid only seems to use the look of the new tooltips. The really awesome
thing about them is however the way they're placed. And even maveric
isn't doing it yet.
I think if toolkits were placed below the gnome-panel and not randomly
across it ( I think thats whats annyoing Mark, correct me if I'm
Ubuntu is already overweight and bloated. I'll beit, not as much as
Winblows but it is. The reason I stick to Ubuntu is because it just
works.
Though, now, It does not just work a lot of the times and this tool
tip thing has just about done me in on switching back to Winblows. I
have been using
feedback from the community on the matter - that's what Launchpad is
for, right?
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't thing that's right;
that's what the community forums are for. Launchpad Bugs is for
reporting technical problems, FTBFS, regressions, incompatibilities,
wishlist
Dear SABDFL, our very own Self-Appointed Benevolent Dictator For Life,
We should have tooltips, but uncluttered ones which don't overlap the
panel. This will make them better, in your way. I mean the tooltips as
said my Kai in comments 171 and 173.
If you still don't find them fit, then make
I'm in agreement with Evgeny (comment 165).
I'm also starting to think we should mark bug #1 as Wont Fix. Can you
imagine what could happen if Ubuntu gained a majority market share?
Scary.
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I'm always saying that these bugs marked as of low importance are the
reason why people are going back to windows. And also the developers
should listen to the users for the future development. I'm not saying
that what they're planning is bad, but this ignorance is no good.
The panel is the
I don't have a monopoly on right. So I can't claim to know absolute
truth on the matter. But I do know that we've taken a view, and want to
stick with that. If we are wrong, we'll fix it later, and eat humble pie
in the process. It wouldn't be the first time or the last.
But I also know that
I don't have a monopoly on right - you do. Were there any bugs
similar to this one before Lucid with the opposite goal - remove
tooltips? I think not :)
I can't claim to know absolute truth on the matter - that's no excuse
for poor design choices, especially given the feedback from the
community
Are you guys aware of this tooltip improvement in gtk 3.0:
http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2009/11/01/just-leave-it-on-the-counter/
Tooltips then woud look just awesome with the new tray. But right now I
really understand Marks opinion that they are ugylMaybe reconsider
when this patch is
On 12/06/10 19:57, John Doe wrote:
Thx Oliver, that's the first useful thing I have seen, since the Ubuntu
Design Team chose to stuff nails through their heads and fuck up the
useability of the system tray altogether.
John, crass language is not going to win support for your ideas, and is
Actually at first I wanted to phrase my opinion in a non offensive
manner, since I had already filed a bug before about a similar problem
concerning the application indicator, only to discover that my opinion
and in fact the entire bugreport was plainly ignored and the report
marked wont fix. As a
Mark,
your comments on John's report are absolutely valid indeed (especially
the Code of Conduct part), but please consider how upset the user has to
be to express his opinion in such a way, and even more so seeing as how
neither You nor Canonical seem to listen to users that object in more
*nods in agreement*
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Thx Oliver, that's the first useful thing I have seen, since the Ubuntu
Design Team chose to stuff nails through their heads and fuck up the
useability of the system tray altogether.
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I use the battery applet mentioned here
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9271002
gnome-volume-control-applet is fine. Just remove the indicator applet in
its entirely. Job done.
Bluetooth is an app icon in the regular notification area, not one of
the indicator applet entries.
Btw, if
@auxbus and itsjustarumour: please share your knowledge about replacing
the indicator applet!
To get back tooltips on the volume icon I added gnome-volume-control-
applet as startup program (Gnome menu - System - Preferences - Sessions
- Startup Programs). Do you know how to do this for the
I forgot to mention the battery icon! I found a new replacement which looks
promising:
http://www.webupd8.org/2010/05/battery-status-01-released-improved.html
(As always please note, that adding a foreign package source can harm your
system and/or security)
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Thank you Oliver, that one is really great, no more default gnome
battery applets... I'm gonna test it if it's reliable.
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It's completely asinine that the battery status indicator is forced to
show Laptop battery 5 minutes until fully charged as a *menu item*.
This is a classic case of needlessly reinventing the wheel, and doing
something surprising to the user in the process. What happens if I
click on that menu
All a bit of a mess. I've ended up, unconsciously, removing all the new
indicator/status applets and panels, and using replacements. One by one
they fell. I'm even back to Quod Libet to replace Rhythmbox whose
accessibility has been strangled by this change.
I regard this experiment as a failure.
@auxbuss - thats funny, over time I've done exactly the same as you!
One by one they fell... - over time, I've removed every one of the
new-style indicator/status applets and gone back to ones that are more
useable. I too regard this experiment as a failure.
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I too would like the tooltips back. As a laptop user I find this change
quite frustrating and see it as a major step backwards. I can not
believe such a simple request for functionality is essentially being
ignored. After reading all the reports it is painfully obvious that the
development team
I don't understand why would Mark Shuttleworth act so strangely about
this. Tooltips are extremely useful, just the amount of comments and
subscribers for this bug shows, that people really think this as an
imperfection. Who else should persuade him about the usefulness of the
tooltips, if not the
And what is with the faulty design guidelines:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CustomStatusMenuDesignGuidelines#What%20about%20tooltips?
The first sentence is incorrect: Like other menus, status menus do not
have tooltips.
...other menus in Gnome Panel do not have tooltips? Hmm... could have
fooled
Perhaps the design guidelines could go along the lines of:
Menus with text don't need tooltips.
Menus with icons need tooltips.
This is the behaviour of clickable 'things' in applications which are
represented by either text or icons.
(It might be helpful to assume that novice users don't
Another couple inconsistencies: the panel contains lots of other things,
like applets, and a task switch, that aren't menus, and don't behave like
menus, even though they sort of look like they're on a menu bar.
Also, with a menu bar, you can click once to open the menu, and then move or
drag the
The key issues related to the original request have not been addressed
yet:
1. Tooltips provide novice users a way of identifying things. Not
everyone will be able to identify the icon for _every_ application that
uses the Indicator applet - the mockup on Mark Shuttleworth's homepage
is a good
Another use-case where tooltips made the difference is the messaging
menu.
I had evolution open on the background, when suddenly the icon of the
messaging menu turns green. But what does this green color mean?
I can only assume it is because i recieved a new mail message, because
the count
On 13 May 2010 07:56, Alexander Pas m...@dropdev.org wrote:
Another use-case where tooltips made the difference is the messaging
menu.
I had evolution open on the background, when suddenly the icon of the
messaging menu turns green. But what does this green color mean?
For all turns green i
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 01:57, Dmitrijs Ledkovs
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For all turns green i get NotifyOSD bubble notification saying
what's happened. Don't you as well? =)
Doesn't help if you're away from the computer for the ~4 seconds the popup
is there...
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For all turns green i get NotifyOSD bubble notification saying
what's happened. Don't you as well? =)
Doesn't help if you're away from the computer
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 19:36, Dmitrijs Ledkovs dmitrij.led...@gmail.com
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I meant to have the app loaded but without any notification
icons/windows anywhere.
But I also want to be able to activate it by clicking - not only by
hotkey.
Have you looked at the png mockup I did? It is
Saying you don't need a tooltip because it is a menu is like saying you
shouldn't get a speeding ticket because you were wearing a clown outfit
while going 90mph in a school zone (actually a really good analogy)
Look, I see now the fundamental issue is this nonsense with making these
things
Please see (and follow) the HIG:
Are you referring to the out-of date Gnome HIG which hasn't been
revamped for Gnome3 yet?
The HIG is good but remember it is Guidelines not a Law.
Right click = menu
Left click = show/hide main app
Double click = default action (like play/pause for example)
The reason that many of us don't want to let this issue go is because
all of the justifications to remove tooltips don't make up for the loss
of functionality that can't be replaced.
Hover based tooltips are a powerful model that play a much needed role
in a pointer based UI:
- they do not take
On 12 May 2010 23:28, Marck Robinson ma...@powerdata.com wrote:
What is wrong with a win/win solution?
See attached screenshot of a loss/loss situation
1) What's the time date? (I'm hovering over the date/time applet)
2) Is my sound muted, low or high?
3) Do I have any pending messages in the
My momdad have a lot of troubles to understand difference between
left click, right click double click. When I guide them over the
phone to fix something i always tell them the OTHER click to get
their attention to do right click.
You will now have to describe the icon to click on
Dmitrijs, your screen shot is clearly a good example of badly tuned
tooltips.
On my system they do not cover the other indicator icons because I have
them on the top panel and they are correctly set to pop-up below the
panel. This way they do not block your ability to see any of the other
Another quote from Gnome Usability Study:
( http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/ut1_report.pdf )
Two participants missed the ability to click on the GNOME foot icon, one
because there was no tooltip when he
moused over it and another because he missed the small arrow indicating the
foot was
On 11.05.2010, 17:39 + Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
What infomration are you missing in the current desktop?
A few things already identified
1) Time left until battery charged
2) UbuntuOne syncing, up-to-date, failed
Anything else?
More tooltips that I like in Karmic:
3) number of
Trying to get constructivity back in this thread:
I can understand and agree to the intention to reduce system tray icons.
The reason why the system tray came up was (from my understanding): Some
applications run continuously and pollute the task bar as they occupy
a lot of space while not being
On 11 May 2010 09:58, Martin Wildam mwil...@gmail.com wrote:
Trying to get constructivity back in this thread:
I can understand and agree to the intention to reduce system tray icons.
The reason why the system tray came up was (from my understanding): Some
applications run continuously and
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:04, Dmitrijs Ledkovs
dmitrij.led...@gmail.com wrote:
Here shutter needs to be running as a service/daemon. Can you keep it
open on another virtual desktop and assign global shortcuts to do
screenshots?
Don't understand, what you mean. I don't know if I could assign
On 11 May 2010 13:13, Martin Wildam mwil...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:04, Dmitrijs Ledkovs
dmitrij.led...@gmail.com wrote:
Here shutter needs to be running as a service/daemon. Can you keep it
open on another virtual desktop and assign global shortcuts to do
screenshots?
To sum up this bug report
We have a few places to stick additional information
1) New Indicator - notification menu
2) Power button indicator
3) Me menu
4) Messaging menu
Everyone who is subscribed to this bug:
What infomration are you missing in the current desktop?
A few things already
3) Transmission transfer rates
as mentioned in the bug description
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now it 152x200=30400
but in LP and ubuntu situation is this correct?
as i said in #108 all who have transmision on 10.04 are affected by this. so
maybe even more? do we need really to get some statistic precise until this bug
is taken searious till fixed?
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#121 eh what do you mean by that? if u didnt know as i can see here is
democracy. yesterday was mothers day and europes day. also yesterday was Soviet
soldier celebration 65 year aniversary for what they did in berlin to city and
to woman on that day. Also that was start to occupieng countrs.
On 9 May 2010 23:35, Kangarooo kangarooo+b...@gmail.com wrote:
#121 eh what do you mean by that? if u didnt know as i can see here is
democracy. yesterday was mothers day and europes day. also yesterday was
Soviet soldier celebration 65 year aniversary for what they did in berlin to
city
#124: Thanks for the link, but I don't think the owner of that blog is
active in that post anymore :/
Shameless plug: You can find a battery panel applet (with tool-tips!)
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The battery indicator is not an ignorable icon! I think it is a stupid
idea to have everything menus. If the application is not notifying you
then what is it doing when you hover over it and it shows useful
information? Your just making me have to click more! STOP IT! I like
Ubuntu but, I am going
@104, 105, 106 and 108 - An old political maxim is that 1 letter = 200
votes, meaning that out of 200 people who care about an issue and will
vote you in or out of parliament because of your stance/action/lack of
action on that issue, only 1 will write to you about that issue.
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So that's 29600 people who dislike the removal of the tooltips.
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make that +200
29800 and counting...
As said above... totally useless and annoying workspace switcher
tooltips, but no battery indicator tooltip?? This is absurd.
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And another +200.
Ha! That makes 3! Do I win something? An extra tooltip??
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you can have a 2gb ubuntu one account ;-)
*and* a virtual cookie =)
On 7 May 2010 10:18, Oliver Joos oliver.j...@hispeed.ch wrote:
And another +200.
Ha! That makes 3! Do I win something? An extra tooltip??
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Guys, please don't get into a tit-for-tat about who's opinion is more
valid. 144 users registering interest in a bug is very significant.
That's valuable feedback, and it is appreciated.
I know there are are strong opinions on the subject, and debate is
valuable. Please conduct that on the
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