As of early August, this bug report can be set to fix released. I will
do so now.
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With today's kernel update: 3.2.0-32.51 it looks much better: 0.04 0.07
0.08 after 2-3 idle minutes with few open softs.
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top does __NOT__ explain the loadavg (if it did, I would not have complained):
non-0 CPU users account to 10-15% at most.
(this, however, is absurd in itself! why does compiz take 3-4% of CPU on a
2.7GHz system
when twm/fvwm/gwm/scwm never took more than 1% on a 200MHz system?!)
moreover, top
sds: first of all, loadavg is not about CPU:
Yes, thanks for pointing that out. The issues were in the is the cpu busy or
idle counting portion of the code, but the overall load average includes
pending processes and I/O wait.
And yes, top does not always explain loadavg. Sorry for misleading
Let me just repeat an off-topic comment:
PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND
2295 sds 20 0 1486m 52m 14m S9 0.7 43:10.59 compiz
2398 sds 20 0 527m 21m 5632 S3 0.3 24:08.33 unity-panel-ser
1340 root 20 0 281m 24m 4468 S
sds: Perhaps you could use vmstat to check your reported load average.
Your system was reporting 0.41 (post #99), but only 0.20 is accounted
for in your post above.
Example: I have 3 processes running at a load of 0.44 each (1.32 total
(the 5 and 15 minute reported averages have not had time to
no good:
3.2.0-29-generic #46-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 27 17:03:23 UTC 2012 x86_64
load average: 0.49, 0.66, 0.46
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Sudhir: I do not know anything about real increased power consumption. I
only know about the reported load averages issue. However, I have
observed many comments about real increased power consumption on other
launchpad bug reports and various forums threads.
sds: You claim the kernel 3.2.0-29-46
load average: 0.37, 0.35, 0.41
I am not running anything, so I expect it to be 0.
they have a lot more stuff running
what is the full list of the stuff running this very second?
when I see non-0 loadavg, I want to be able to determine,
quickly and painlessly, the exact list of applications which
Run top to see what is running and what CPU it is using and total CPU it has
used over time.
I do not know the list of tasks that typically run with the desktop edition, as
I don't use it.
If you are not doing anything with the computer, it still has operating system
overhead to deal with. The
With the last kernel update (to 3.2.0-29-generic-pae) problem is fixed
for me. System monitor chart shows it:
http://susepaste.org/view/raw/97494002
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perfect but much better: 0.36 0.40 0.31 with chromium and gedit open.
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Guy: How do you know the reported load average is not perfect? What is
your actual load average?
The method for determining reported load average is extremely
undersampled. Accuracy expectations should be within about 20% for the
15 minute reported load average. The 1 minute reported load average
You're right Doug, in fact the point that I used to compare is in
reality only my experience with the previous release but not an
objective way. With Gnome 2 it was near by 0.02 - 0.08 (15 min).
Sincerely I was allway surprised by so low charge and I have not the
knowlege and the utils to confirm
When the computer is idle, load should be 0. This is the source of its
usefulness.
I.e., non-0 loadavg means that
either the comp is thrashing,
or backup is running,
or R is partitioning a graph,
or emacs is being compiled
or a file db is being rebuilt
or
normal ui operation (editing a
3.2.0-29 has fixed it for me!
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I am wondering if kernel developers are aware of increased power
consumption or if this bug only concerns load average. I am stuck with
3.3 or pre-3.4 kernel. Please let me know what information is required
to sort this out. Thanks.
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Seems to be fixed in 3.2.0-29.45 for me, or at least improved a lot,
after booting, without opening any application, after some minutes the
load dropped to ~0.15. With the system using about 25% of one core (I
have 2 cores, 4 threads), the load is between 0.3 and 0.5, which seems
fairly
Yes, the patch was backported to upstream kernel 3.2.24, which in tern was
included in Ubuntu as mentioned. See also bug #1029431 (search for load-ave)
and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/linux/3.2.0-29.46 (seach for
load-ave)
I don't think it is generally released yet.
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The reboot after yesterday's kernel update seems to have fixed my
problem (load is now below 1). I am glad about that; trying unreleased
kernel patches on a machine I need for work is a bit scary.
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1.20 1.22 1.14.
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Hi Guy: Thanks for your attention to this one. No, this patch has not
migrated to Ubuntu yet. At the upstream level (kernel.org) people have
been testing the patch backported to the 3.2 series kernels. I think
(but am not sure) that the patch will be reviewed for possible inclusion
in kernel
Thank you Doug for the informations. I see, and problably the only way
to include the patch in the current ubuntu kernel would be to compile
the kernel with the patch, isn't it?
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I am willing to test the patch mentioned in post #80, but I have no idea
how to install it (without risking to break everything because of doing
something wrong). My load on idle is aroud 15 (4 cores).
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The patch mentioned in posting # 76 is included in kernel 3.5-rc7, available
here: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.5-rc7-quantal/
It would be good if someone with a 12.04 desktop edition could try this kernel
and comment.
Myself, I am not interested in what the 1 minute
Hi doug,
I am not using Ubuntu 12.04 but Arch Linux. Load average is
significantly down.
[donnie@arch ~]$ uptime
09:37:29 up 6:44, 1 user, load average: 0.20, 0.16, 0.13
[donnie@arch ~]$ uname -a
Linux arch 3.5.0-rc7-mainline #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Jul 15 07:24:17 UTC 2012
x86_64 GNU/Linux
I do see some significant reduction in both temperature and power. The
load is still around or over 1.
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The patch is not in kernel 3.5-rc6. I assume it missed some cut-off time
for rc6. Hopefully it will be in rc7, perhaps in one week.
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The proposed patch, mentioned in a couple of postings above, now has a Commit
I.D. 5167e8d5417bf5c322a703d2927daec727ea40dd
As mentioned above, that patch is for the 3.5 series kernels and hopefully will
be in 3.5-rc6, hopefully Sunday.
All of my testing was done with that patch (and two other
Thanks a lot for your efforts Doug, because it whas not easy!!! Now
Ubuntu distro have all the keys in theyr hands, hope they will move the
patch to the kernel in use... Once again, thank you for your efforts!
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Hi,
same problem here. What seems interesting to me is the loads uniform up
and down which you can see on this munin chart, one wave every 2-3
hours: http://paste.opensuse.org/71588251
Special here is, that my ubuntu runs as a virtual machine.
Perhaps special too: I also have an FreeNX server
Experiencing high loads with this CPU too, even using nohz=off, kernel
Ubuntu kernel 3.4.0 from mainline builds:
processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 42
model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2467M CPU @ 1.60GHz
stepping: 7
microcode
The kernel run time parameter nohz=off is not the same as a kernel
compiled with CONFIG_NO_HZ=n. The actual related code that is executed
in the two cases is different. Yes, the last time I tested it, which was
in about February/March, the run time parameter nohz-off had no effect
.
For those
Doug: thank you for the information. We hope that the issue will be
resolved soon.
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A fix for continuing issues with incorrect Reported Load Averages (both
too high for light loads, and it turns out, still too low for very high
loads and high frequencies) is being tested now. To try to cover all the
senarios, I would anticipate about another week of testing. The proposed
solution
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I have the same problem here
I have Core i5 quad cores 8G Ram and a GeForce 9500 GT (1G).
My load average is about ~0.62 whe I don't do anything, If I'm watching a
movie I get 2.8 minimum
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In Kernel 3.5 RC2 there were changes in the load calc area of the code.
However, no difference with respect to this bug report.
There is another proposed patch, that actually makes things worse, at least
with respect to this bug report.
The maintainers of this area of code upsteam at kernel.org
Thanks Doug, good to know that the maintainers are informed, let see how
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I have installed ubuntu 12.04 now on my laptop and I have this constant
high load averange :-(
top - 20:28:23 up 1:10, 1 user, load average: 0.87, 0.81, 0.86
Tasks: 165 total, 1 running, 163 sleeping, 0 stopped, 1 zombie
Cpu(s): 7.5%us, 1.9%sy, 1.8%ni, 86.5%id, 2.2%wa, 0.0%hi,
Per comment #62 this issue appears to be an upstream bug. Would it be
possible for you to open an upstream bug report at bugzilla.kernel.org
[1]? That will allow the upstream Developers to examine the issue, and
may provide a quicker resolution to the bug.
If you are comfortable with opening a
I am experiencing this too - it seems to be more prevalent when running
on battery only, and not connected to AC power, but I can't really
isolate that effect.
Also, to be clear, in my case it is NOT just a reporting problem. My
machine (quad i7) is so slow that it's unusable when in this
tested Kernel 3.5 RC1. It is the same with respect to this issue.
doug@s15:~$ cat /proc/version
Linux version 3.5.0-030500rc1-generic (apw@gomeisa) (gcc version 4.6.3
(Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.3-1ubuntu5) ) #201206022335 SMP Sun Jun 3 03:36:00 UTC 2012
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Load on 12.04 after upgrade average 0,8
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This is still happening with kernel 3.2.0-25
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With the Kernel update from this morning, nothing better, even worst, I
reach 2.50 of load, and right now 1.88 1.56 0.99
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#57: I can confirm this as well:
08:47:22 up 23 min, 1 user, load average: 2,60, 1,79, 1,58
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I made some tests, I removed catalyst 12.4 and rebooted. The load was
lower then before the kernel update around 1.10 -1.20. So to be shure
that the catalyst driver was the problem of the incrased load, I
installed it again and rebooted. The load was still by around 1.10
-1.20, and right now by
attaching a revised reported load averages tests results png (best
viewed at zoom of 1:1 and scroll down as you read and look at graphs.
I looked at and compared the relevant code area of kernel 3.4 verses the 3.2.0
that I have been using for my tests. The code is identical.
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On my machine the high load is gone after installing the Nouveau driver
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Interesting Rutger, I have the same hardware (AMD with catalyst) seens a
while and under ubuntu 10.10 the load was near by 0.0 with Gnome 2,
upgrading to Xubuntu 11.10 (minimal installation) the load grows to ~
0.40, then upgrading to Xubuntu 12.04 I'm now by 1.20 and in // the
load of X is
Ok, now kernel 3.4.0 is released:
top - 18:39:07 up 10 min, 1 user, load average: 1.03, 1.14, 0.80
Tasks: 182 total, 2 running, 180 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
Cpu(s): 2.3%us, 1.5%sy, 0.8%ni, 48.3%id, 46.5%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.5%si, 0.0%st
Mem: 3948812k total, 2279864k used, 1668948k
So it sounds like this bug is fixed upstream. Adding tag kernel-fixed-
upstream.
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Status: Incomplete = Triaged
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Ubuntu has updated the kernel today. The 'load average' is more better :)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3104528/load_average.jpg
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Does it appear that this bug is fixed with the latest updates?
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I woudn't say fixed... A bit better but right now by writing the htop
load is: 0.95 0.86 0.46 with the update kernel.
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Right now with chromium: 1:24 1:14 0:80, it's like waves ~ up and
down... And /usr/bin/X -nolisten tcp beetwen 3-14%! Anyway, for me, not
fixed.
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Sorry guys, but I wrote rashly, because the 'load average' is high again after
an hour usage. :(
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3104528/high_load_again.png
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Also tracked at ArchLinux:
https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/29850
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Sorry but there is only one _all.deb in your link v3.4-rc7-precise.
Where are the other .deb, or do I don't understand something? Thanks
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when typing and scrolling. Core i5 2500K 16GB...
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This could be a dup of bug 995284
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Importance: Undecided = Medium
** Tags added: kernel-da-key
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Would it be possible for you to test the latest upstream kernel? Refer
to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMainlineBuilds . Please test the latest
v3.4kernel[1] (Not a kernel in the daily directory). Once you've tested
the upstream kernel, please remove the 'needs-upstream-testing' tag(Only
that
I can confirm with the 3.3.0 kernel the load average is smaller
(currently with chromium 0.15 0.45 0.40)
Linux afi 3.3.0-030300-generic #201203182135 SMP Mon Mar 19 01:36:20 UTC
2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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additionally, the battery dies very quickly - can this be related?
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The attached file should be viewed with zoom set to 1:1 and then scroll
down as you read and view the graphs.
** Attachment added: test results including lower load averages
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I only know of the related commit number as:
c308b56b5398779cd3da0f62ab26b0453494c3d4
I would argue that the commit results in more accurate reported load
averages, overall.
One has to look at the reported load averages over the entire range of
operation. Meaning over all frequencies of cpu's
See also Launchapd bug 838811
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/838811
I wish I had known about this bug report before now.
Reverting the above mentioned commit will fix this issue yes, but then
break the massively low reported load averages under other conditions.
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I can confirm that following commit is responsible: sched: Fix nohz load
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SHA: 3a50863f6706ece7719a68be0ae57957164a0f0c
It is introduced between following tags:
* Ubuntu-3.2.0-21.34
* Ubuntu-3.2.0-22.35
All tags after Ubuntu-3.2.0-22.35 are affected and reverting this commit fixes
Same problem here on Xubuntu 12.04 without compiz installed and kernel:
3.2.0-24-generic, Phenom x6.
The load everage (iddle) in htop: 1.02 0.92 0.95 and it jump to 1.80
with just chromium window opened! Far away from compiz bug!
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I narrowed it down to a change in kernel 3.2.0-22. With 3.2.0-21 the
load is normal
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Looking at the 3.2.0-22 changelog: '* Revert sched: tg-se-load
should be initialised to tg-shares' looks to me like it could be a
candidate for the cause?
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@douglas: googling a bit that change upstream seem to be related with
the 200 lines patch ... anyway, could someone change properly the tag
in this bug? I still seems a compiz bug ..
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** Tags removed: compiz-0.9
** Tags added: kernel
** Package changed: ubuntu = linux (Ubuntu)
** Changed in: xubuntu-desktop
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On Xubuntu 12.04, I tried the following kernels:
3.2.0-20-generic - load avg dropped close to 0.0
3.2.0-22-generic - load avg hovers close to 1.0
Could the high load avg be due to changes introduced between 20-generic
and 22-generic?
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I can confirm that it is kernel related.
3.2.0-24 high load
3.2.16-030216 normal load (from kernel ppa)
Pse change this bug to the kernel.
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It's seems it related to X-server.
I have a high load (0.8) even in login screen, but when I stop lightdm, load
drops to near zero.
Note that highl load occures all the time, but cpu usage is low (few percent)
I googled this problem, the problem may be with kernel drivers. I used power
top and
Same issue here. My machine is doing nothing but running a few gnome-terminal
sessions, and the load average is:
1.12, 1.00, 1.05
The top few items in top are almost always:
1094 root 20 0 327m 136m 15m R 11 6.8 45:20.30 Xorg
1754 jamesj20 0 1329m 85m 37m R5 4.3
UPDATE: My bug fixed with reveting back kernel to 3.0.0-19
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I am also experiencing this bug with 12.04 server. Therefore, I don't
believe that compiz is the source, at least not for me, since there is
no x server installed on this machine.
** Also affects: compiz-core
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
** No longer affects: compiz-core
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@taha-jahangir I workarounded installing kernel from
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will revert to 3.2 when this bug will be officially fixed! :)
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Appears to be a problem with kernel. I had the same high average load
problem with idle pc running only terminal with top (around 1.0 or even
higher). After installing 3.3.4 load average under same conditions is
like this: 0.03, 0.09, 0.08. Thanks for the hint, luca!
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Load average is a measure of runnable processes and not CPU usage. Probably a
good way to find the cause of high load average is to run ps auxw and look
for processes with STATus R (running).
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_(computing)#Unix-style_load_calculation]
** Package changed: compiz
I also confirm the problem with kernel. I also installed the v3.3.4 from
mainline to test and the problem was solved. The load average returned
to lucid conditions like 0.01, 0.07, 0.06.
However I uninstalled it because it is not prepared for restricted
drivers like my wireless broadcom.
It
This affects my system as well. Core I7 with a load around 1 to 2.5
Ubuntu 12.04
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I'm also affected, NVidia graphic card, core 2 Duo CPU and 8GB RAM. The
load average is high in Ubuntu with Unity+Compiz 12.04 Xubuntu 12.04
with Xfce+Compiz
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Here is my Compiz profile, exported using CCSM (the default value are
omitted).
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Same here my laptop is constantly hot. Load is very high compared to
ubuntu 11.10..
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I tried Xubuntu and the load is also much to high.
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High load average
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Same problem here with load average:
0.63, 0.70, 0.53
Before with Lucid it was near 0.1
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High load average
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These screenshots are in gnome shell and ubuntu sessions. Maybe the
problem is not compiz, I don't know...
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https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/985661/+attachment/3115675/+files/Captura%20de%20pantalla%20de%202012-04-29%2017%3A16%3A34.png
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The ubuntu session screenshot (Unity)
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Screenshot after 30 minutes only with chromium (gmail and launchpad)
** Attachment added: Captura de pantalla de 2012-04-29 17:56:16.png
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/985661/+attachment/3115691/+files/Captura%20de%20pantalla%20de%202012-04-29%2017%3A56%3A16.png
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same here...high load average even when in idle.
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Almost Idle after login
16:36:29 up 28 min, 1 user, load average: 0.60, 0.81, 0.80
3.2.0-24-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 25 08:43:22 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64
x86_64 GNU/Linux
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E7400 @ 2.80GHz
Mem: 3826 1543 2283 0174
I have gone back to 11.10 and here is load average:
10:30:00 up 2:55, 1 user, load average: 0.12, 0.13, 0.09
There seems to be a problem with 12.04 at the moment.
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