Re: jbicha wants to join

2011-04-07 Thread Piotr Drozdek
Dnia 2011-04-06, o godz. 12:26:59 Rodrigo Moya rodrigo.m...@canonical.com napisał(a): Oh yeah, mate. Something is wrong there, isn't? :D the mail was sent to ubuntu-desktop, which is the admin, not you :-) Of course, i know. To: ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: jbicha wants to

[Oneiric-Topic] Integrate unity-2d/Qt / install media space

2011-04-07 Thread Martin Pitt
Hello all, I hear that next cycle we will probably be required to ship unity-2d, and with it Qt. This means we'll need yet another round of where to get the space from?. Next cycle we'll drop Python 2.6, but at the same time add Python 3, so the python-* library packages won't shrink. In the

[Oneiric-Topic] Clean up language support

2011-04-07 Thread Martin Pitt
Priority: low Rediscuss the structure of language-support-* metapackages vs. language-selector's dynamic detection of missing packages; right now this is a wild mix, and I'd like to consistently use language-selector for everything. This is only little actual work, but needs a bit of thought

Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Integrate unity-2d/Qt / install media space

2011-04-07 Thread Evan Broder
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Martin Pitt martin.p...@ubuntu.com wrote: In the last years we fell victim to an ever-growing set of language runtimes and toolkits, but I realize that getting rid of each of them is hard. So if we want to keep adding new features without removing others, we

Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Integrate unity-2d/Qt / install media space

2011-04-07 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le jeudi 07 avril 2011 à 10:06 +0200, Martin Pitt a écrit : I hear that next cycle we will probably be required to ship unity-2d, and with it Qt. This means we'll need yet another round of where to get the space from?. Hi, We should probably discuss dropping classic GNOME (i.e the GNOME2

Re: [Oneiric-Topic] GTK3/GNOME3

2011-04-07 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le jeudi 07 avril 2011 à 09:59 +0200, Martin Pitt a écrit : kind of obvious topic, but next cycle we'll need to move to GTK3 and GNOME3. Aside from the obvious update the package versions, I see the following particular challenges: Hello, (You stole my topic! ;-) Joke aside we should do the

Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Integrate unity-2d/Qt / install media space

2011-04-07 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 10:06:54AM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: So if we want to keep adding new features without removing others, we might also eventually reconsider moving to 1 GB USB images and entirely stop shipping CD images (on mirrors/shop/Loco distribution, etc.) This would be something I

Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Integrate unity-2d/Qt / install media space

2011-04-07 Thread Evan Broder
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 1:40 AM, Martin Pitt martin.p...@ubuntu.com wrote: I expect that in practice pretty much everyone uses usb-creator and USB sticks with the current ISOs anyway. The 700 MB limit still serves as a good boundary because with every 100 MB it grows we'll lose some people who

Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Integrate unity-2d/Qt / install media space

2011-04-07 Thread Christophe Sauthier (Huats)
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Martin Pitt martin.p...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hello all, In the last years we fell victim to an ever-growing set of language runtimes and toolkits, but I realize that getting rid of each of them is hard. So if we want to keep adding new features without removing

Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Integrate unity-2d/Qt / install media space

2011-04-07 Thread frederik.nn...@gmail.com
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:25, Sebastien Bacher seb...@ubuntu.com wrote: Le jeudi 07 avril 2011 à 10:06 +0200, Martin Pitt a écrit : I hear that next cycle we will probably be required to ship unity-2d, and with it Qt. This means we'll need yet another round of where to get the space

Re: [Oneiric-Topic] GTK3/GNOME3

2011-04-07 Thread Vishnoo
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 10:32 +0200, Sebastien Bacher wrote: Le jeudi 07 avril 2011 à 09:59 +0200, Martin Pitt a écrit : kind of obvious topic, but next cycle we'll need to move to GTK3 and GNOME3. Aside from the obvious update the package versions, I see the following particular challenges:

Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Reducing number of patches in our packages

2011-04-07 Thread Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Rodrigo Moya rodrigo.m...@canonical.com wrote: [...] So, for next cycle, I would suggest a small goal of trying to do patch upstreaming/cleaning days, maybe once a week or every 2 weeks. Great idea :) Also, some Ubuntu-specific patches, like the appindicators

[Oneiric-Topic] Desktop-side networking enhancements

2011-04-07 Thread Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre
Hi all, As you may be aware, the next release will most likely bring in the new version of NetworkManager (0.9 now) with all kinds of fun stuff, like WiMAX and me porting the indicator patch to any changes that may have been made to nm-applet for 0.9, unless it makes it upstream before then ;)

Re: [Oneiric-Topic] GTK3/GNOME3

2011-04-07 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le jeudi 07 avril 2011 à 11:22 +0200, Krzysztof Klimonda a écrit : Hmm.. I'd like to propose bringing back the idea of the Stracciatella session, and making it possible to get both GNOME3 and Gtk+3 applications to look and behave as close as possible to what users get in other distributions.

Re: [Oneiric-Topic] GTK3/GNOME3

2011-04-07 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le jeudi 07 avril 2011 à 17:00 +0530, Vishnoo a écrit : Is Getting GNOME3 really worth it? GTK3 maybe for the parts which are required for Unity.. Yes, we need to move away from old unmaintained and deprecated technology for their modern equivalent (gtk2 to gtk3, gconf to dconf, dbus-glib to

Re: [Oneiric-Topic] GTK3/GNOME3

2011-04-07 Thread Krzysztof Klimonda
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 15:03 +0200, Sebastien Bacher wrote: Le jeudi 07 avril 2011 à 11:22 +0200, Krzysztof Klimonda a écrit : Hmm.. I'd like to propose bringing back the idea of the Stracciatella session, and making it possible to get both GNOME3 and Gtk+3 applications to look and behave as

Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Reducing number of patches in our packages

2011-04-07 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 08:30 -0400, Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Rodrigo Moya rodrigo.m...@canonical.com wrote: [...] So, for next cycle, I would suggest a small goal of trying to do patch upstreaming/cleaning days, maybe once a week or every 2 weeks.

Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Firefox translations in Launchpad/Language packs

2011-04-07 Thread Martin Pitt
Chris Coulson [2011-04-07 9:25 +0100]: - Firstly, I think we should kill po2xpi entirely. It's basically doing what the Firefox build system is already very good at doing (building xpi's from source). We should be using the Firefox build system to build the language pack xpi's that we ship.

Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Desktop-side networking enhancements

2011-04-07 Thread Martin Pitt
Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre [2011-04-07 8:42 -0400]: - NM integration with proxy configuration +1 on that (I was actually about to bring that up myself, but you beat me to it :) ). GNOME 3 already solves this very nicely. Martin -- Martin Pitt| http://www.piware.de Ubuntu

[Oneiric-Topic] Default Browser

2011-04-07 Thread Micah Gersten
Since now both Firefox and Chromium have committed to rapid release schedules, I think it's time to reevaluate the default browser in Ubuntu. I am concerned that some of these upgrades might break system integration at some point. While the security team does its best to prevent regressions, we

Re: [Oneiric-Topic] GTK3/GNOME3

2011-04-07 Thread Robert Ancell
On 04/07/2011 05:59 PM, Martin Pitt wrote: Hello all, kind of obvious topic, but next cycle we'll need to move to GTK3 and GNOME3. Aside from the obvious update the package versions, I see the following particular challenges: * Review our patches, and be rather aggressive about removing

Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Reducing number of patches in our packages

2011-04-07 Thread Robert Ancell
On 04/07/2011 09:23 PM, Rodrigo Moya wrote: Priority: medium? While working on the GNOME3 PPA during this cycle, I found we have a lot of patches in many packages, which makes things harder when upgrading to major versions, and also introduces new ways for the apps to fail, as the fixes are

Re: [Oneiric-Topic] GTK3/GNOME3

2011-04-07 Thread Robert Ancell
On 04/07/2011 05:59 PM, Martin Pitt wrote: Hello all, kind of obvious topic, but next cycle we'll need to move to GTK3 and GNOME3. Aside from the obvious update the package versions, I see the following particular challenges: * Review our patches, and be rather aggressive about removing

Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Reducing number of patches in our packages

2011-04-07 Thread Jorge O. Castro
Also, some Ubuntu-specific patches, like the appindicators ones are duplicated in lots of packages, so it would be good if we could find a better way to make upstream apps use them, like, for instance, patching gtk_status_icon_* in GTK itself to use the indicators when available, instead of

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-07 Thread Brian Curtis
Hi all, I think I can offer some opinions on this without repeating what others say too much. I want to compare this to the decision a few releases ago to make Empathy the default IM client in Ubuntu. Then why I think Unity should become the default desktop session and not classic GNOME.

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-07 Thread Jorge O. Castro
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Rick Spencer rick.spen...@canonical.com wrote: 1. There are key feature regressions, for example, there is no systray support for many important applications. According to the AppIndicator Design document the notification area will be phased out:

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-07 Thread Alex Launi
I can honestly say that when I am not in a unity environment, I don't feel at home. I bounce back and forth between ubuntu and osx, and when nvidia was broken, and when I'm in osx, I often find myself trying to 4 finger slide, throwing my mouse to 0,0, tapping super, and generally evoking unity