Re: Staying on GTK/GNOME 3.8 next cycle/for the LTS?

2013-10-02 Thread Marc Deslauriers
On 13-10-02 05:25 AM, Adam Dingle wrote: On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Sebastien Bacher seb...@ubuntu.com wrote: Le 01/10/2013 21:16, Adam Dingle a écrit : I've used Ubuntu every day for 7 years and am active in the GNOME community. The fact that Ubuntu lags one release behind

Re: Staying on GTK/GNOME 3.8 next cycle/for the LTS?

2013-10-02 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le 02/10/2013 13:45, Tim a écrit : That was a mistake, the commits/bugs all refered to GTK2 so I figured it wouldnt be a problem. Well, that patch was maybe a mistake, but GTK 3.10 still drops support for those options: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/log/?qt=grepq=Deprecate+and+ignore

Re: Staying on GTK/GNOME 3.8 next cycle/for the LTS?

2013-10-02 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le 02/10/2013 01:45, Tim a écrit : Either way some concerns I have - Ubuntu will keep holding back on GNOME updates until QML/Touch stack is ready and then just dump it That's not going to be the case, I think that staying one release behind is a fair tradeoff and that we should keep doing

Re: Staying on GTK/GNOME 3.8 next cycle/for the LTS?

2013-10-02 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le 02/10/2013 11:25, Adam Dingle a écrit : Right. I'm not concerned about specific features from GNOME 3.10 as much as staying closer to the upstream codebase so that developers and users can work together. That's an understable position, the reality though is that we are trying to stay

Re: Staying on GTK/GNOME 3.8 next cycle/for the LTS?

2013-10-01 Thread Brian Curtis
Hi to all, I personally think staying at GNOME 3.8 would not be a great decision. In my opinion Ubuntu is starting to turn into a Redhat. I think it used to be the leader in the latest and greatest in the community of free and open source software, and ever since a majority of canonical has been

Re: Staying on GTK/GNOME 3.8 next cycle/for the LTS?

2013-10-01 Thread Dylan McCall
I see where you're coming from and I don't want to take up much of anyone's time, but I can't help but worry about an impending integration nightmare as you continue to dawdle with GNOME's APIs. Do we know what is going to happen with Ubuntu-specific system utilities with 14.10 and Unity 8? In

Re: Staying on GTK/GNOME 3.8 next cycle/for the LTS?

2013-10-01 Thread Adam Dingle
I've used Ubuntu every day for 7 years and am active in the GNOME community. The fact that Ubuntu lags one release behind GNOME is already a significant burden for me. I often spend time building the newest version of GNOME apps, which can be challenging since Ubuntu's libraries lag behind.

Re: Staying on GTK/GNOME 3.8 next cycle/for the LTS?

2013-10-01 Thread Marc Deslauriers
On 13-10-01 01:45 PM, Sebastien Bacher wrote: I think we should stick with GNOME 3.8 another cycle, here are the reasons why: I think this is a great idea, and will give us time to iron out all the current bugs before the LTS. For one, screen locking is all broken _again_, and really needs to

Re: Staying on GTK/GNOME 3.8 next cycle/for the LTS?

2013-10-01 Thread Adam Dingle
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Marc Deslauriers marc.deslauri...@canonical.com wrote: On 13-10-01 03:16 PM, Adam Dingle wrote: I've used Ubuntu every day for 7 years and am active in the GNOME community. The fact that Ubuntu lags one release behind GNOME is already a significant burden

Re: Staying on GTK/GNOME 3.8 next cycle/for the LTS?

2013-10-01 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le 01/10/2013 21:16, Adam Dingle a écrit : I've used Ubuntu every day for 7 years and am active in the GNOME community. The fact that Ubuntu lags one release behind GNOME is already a significant burden for me. I often spend time building the newest version of GNOME apps, which can be

Re: Staying on GTK/GNOME 3.8 next cycle/for the LTS?

2013-10-01 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le 01/10/2013 20:23, Dylan McCall a écrit : Do we know what is going to happen with Ubuntu-specific system utilities with 14.10 and Unity 8? In particular, I'm curious about Software Centre / Updater, Ubuntu One, Startup Disk Creator, Jockey and Ubuntu Online Accounts. Incidentally, those are

Re: Staying on GTK/GNOME 3.8 next cycle/for the LTS?

2013-10-01 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le 01/10/2013 20:17, Brian Curtis a écrit : I'm not going to claim to know what workload is entailed with going to 3.10 next cycle, but what drew me into Ubuntu in the first place was that it wasn't afraid to have the latest and greatest software available to all desktop users. I hope that

Re: Staying on GTK/GNOME 3.8 next cycle/for the LTS?

2013-10-01 Thread Bryan Quigley
With a personal hat on... I just started maintaining Gnome Nibbles and the 3.8 release has some serious issues Obviously a game not shipped by default isn't a big issue.. I'd definitely like to see a more up-to-date version of Rhythmbox specifically. It's had various issues that are fixed

Re: Staying on GTK/GNOME 3.8 next cycle/for the LTS?

2013-10-01 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le 01/10/2013 22:46, Bryan Quigley a écrit : With a personal hat on... I just started maintaining Gnome Nibbles and the 3.8 release has some serious issues Obviously a game not shipped by default isn't a big issue.. If your game works with GTK 3.8 I see no reason to not update it in

Re: Staying on GTK/GNOME 3.8 next cycle/for the LTS?

2013-10-01 Thread Tim
On 02/10/13 03:45, Sebastien Bacher wrote: Hey everyone, I know this cycle is not finished yet, but in case some of us start thinking about next cycle, I wanted to start a discussion on the GNOME version to use for the lts. I think we should stick with GNOME 3.8 another cycle, here are