Re: DisplayConfigGtk

2007-11-14 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas

On Nov 4, 2007, at 4:46 PM, Sebastian Heinlein wrote:


Am Sonntag, den 04.11.2007, 02:47 + schrieb Tristan Wibberley:


I plan to add a Store configuration permanently checkbutton to the
main window, see http://glatzor.de/filesink/displayconfig/restore.png


Store configuration is an irrelevant implementation detail. What is 
important is what's happening to the computer's display.


Also, when adding a checkbox, always ask yourself: How obvious is the 
unchecked state? Here, what does it mean for Store configuration 
permanently to be unchecked? Would it store the configuration until 
the next full moon? :-)


If a checkbox's unchecked state can't be obvious from the label, use 
radio buttons instead. For example:


Use these settings: (*) Indefinitely  ( ) Until I log out

That said, after reading this thread I don't understand the use case 
for applying settings only for the current session anyway. I suggest 
addressing that question first, as it will help you compose the rest of 
the design.


I never liked that sort of thing - it's not a part of the settings, 
but rather what to do with them upon clicking an action at the 
bottom. What do you think of changing OK to something like Use for 
this session and, if the user is a member of admin, adding another 
button along side it Set as default?

...
We would only need a better wording. The term session should not be
used since it is too technical. Using default seems to be to generic.

I am not sure about the future of the test button. Currently we launch 
a second x server with the new config file. But many drivers and cards 
do not support this correctly and things tend to break. If we can 
apply

changes instantly a confirmation dialog with keep and revert button
would appear after hitting one of the apply buttons. So the button 
order for the main window would be the following one:


[Apply Permanently] [Cancel] [Apply Temporarily]
...


The same problem applies here as with the checkbox. What does 
Temporarily mean?



But we would still need at least tooltips:

Restore the chosen configuration after starting the computer and
Revert configuration after shutting down the computer?
...


A control that already has a text label, such as a command button or 
checkbox, should not need a tooltip to be understandable to most of the 
target audience.


Cheers
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Matthew Paul Thomas
http://mpt.net.nz/


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Re: Panel resizing

2007-11-14 Thread Ted Gould
[Sorry about the late reply, sent with the wrong address which made the
list unhappy]

On Tue, 2007-11-13 at 23:21 +0100, Sebastian Heinlein wrote:
 AFAIK the panel will be rewritten for GNOME 2.22. Such discussions
 should go upstream.

I guess I don't see this as entirely a panel issue, it seems to be more
of an Applications that use the panel issue.  Many of those are in the
panel packages, but folks like NetworkManager are some of the most
notable problems and not part of the panel package.

 Furthermore the font size should not change. If you choose to have a
 larger font the panel will be larger automatically.

That seems to be what everyone's leaning towards.  Should we be
specifying the panel size in points instead of pixels?

--Ted



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