Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] Video playback?
Le 05/10/2011 06:17, Robert Ancell a écrit On 05/10/11 10:07, Luke Yelavich wrote: On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 06:41:17AM EST, Jeremy Bicha wrote: On 4 October 2011 14:49, Sebastien Bacherseb...@ubuntu.com wrote: We probably don't want to switch video players in a lts cycle but not sure if we should go with the new version (we staying on 3.0 which still uses xv for Oneiric). Clutter-gst might introduce issues (vblank was mentioning as a potential issue with compiz during this cycle when we discussed it), not sure how much it got tested on i.e armel or how much it could be an issue on some video drivers... Should we go for the new version and deal with issues or stay safe with the old version using xv, or look for a different video player to use? Banshee plays videos too. Banshee git just got DVD support so maybe we can use one app for music videos. Because it's new, DVDs probably don't work as well in Banshee yet but maybe it'll be fine once it gets more testing and use. I am of the opinion that we should allow users to play back video separate to their media library, should they choose to do so. This is possible on OS X with Quicktime Player and iTunes. I know if I want to look at a video thats not in my library or from a podcast, its much easier to find the video in Nautilus and open with totem. Luke It would be a big saving in CD size and complexity to have one audio/video playing application (like Banshee). As long as it can run in a simple mode (much like Shotwell does for browsing photos) is can cover both the managed and ad-hoc use cases. There's also some convergence going on with photos/music/videos that we need to think about for the future. I'm not sure picking banshee as the default video player is the right direction. There seem to have a lot of pushback from banshee as an audio player already. People trying to use video have the same critics that when they don't look the audio support: slow to start, confusing interface and so on. I would be more in favor in KISS on the video player (we can see that in new devices where the media player is always very simple and have no complex UI). Even KDE is going this road: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kdemultimedia#Dragon_Player and the latest QML version: http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2011/08/07/dragon-player-3/ I am by no mean suggesting that we should switch to another video/audio player for LTS (that would be crazy), but maybe something to keep in mind for the future if we can't upgrade Totem because of clutter. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] Video playback?
Hey Didier, People trying to use video have the same critics that when they don't look the audio support: slow to start, confusing interface and so on. Well there is a bit of an interesting give and take here and it should be talked about. The people who complain about a player being slow to load are not the people that are really in the target any more its people who want more features but dont care if it takes 2-20 seconds to open. Also along that line if it has a confusing interface that should also be looked at and also wouldnt having 1 media player be helpful because at least they would have a consistant interface for everything? For every argument against banshee as the one and only player you could argue a good few positives to switching in my opinion. The biggest positive I see and maybe not everyone would view it this way is just the library support, I know totem supports playlists but it isnt really the same. In many ways using totem is really just using nautilus in banshee you could have it pulling in all of your music and video and bypass the file browser which is a huge win for users. I would support having a simplified version maybe for when video is being played but I really dont know if it would be that much of a performance gain or a user interface gain. Id say that should be discussed if we do end up going this way. Anyway id hate to start a huge debate on shipping a simpler video player vs a more complicated one but I think we should be thinking about it. Shane -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] Working VNC (or no VNC)
Le mardi 04 octobre 2011 à 14:00 -0700, Bryce Harrington a écrit : Pitti had mentioned a couple months ago that this is an -fglrx specific issue, which well could me; if that can be confirmed, we could just have Alberto add it to the AMD bug escalation list for 12.04. What do you think? In fact https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/353126 would have been a better bug to point, comments in both bugs list users having the issue on nvidia, ati and intel. There is not a lot of intel users comment so maybe those are another issue or bogus and it might be that the nvidia issue is fixed. In any case it would be nice to at least do a call for testing on Oneiric to see where we stand and if it's driver specific. If the issue is fglrx specific then escalating to amd seems a good idea indeed Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] Desktop performances
Le mardi 04 octobre 2011 à 17:13 -0700, Evan Broder a écrit : But at the very least, I would like for us to start tracking live session boot performance in the same way we already track post-install boot times, so that we remain aware of it as an issue. Hey, Well in practice I think it doesn't make a real difference on the work we do, we want to do less IOs and use less CPU during the boot and not have unrequired delays, the numbers will show differently with different optimization but the work to do should be rather similar for both scenarios. It's nice to have a first try good experience but I think most users are not going to be bothered a lot but the installation media being a bit slow to load, it's a one time thing, they probably care about the daily boot speed of their computer though. Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] Working VNC (or no VNC)
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 11:13 +0200, Sebastien Bacher wrote: Le mardi 04 octobre 2011 à 14:00 -0700, Bryce Harrington a écrit : Pitti had mentioned a couple months ago that this is an -fglrx specific issue, which well could me; if that can be confirmed, we could just have Alberto add it to the AMD bug escalation list for 12.04. What do you think? In fact https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/353126 would have been a better bug to point, comments in both bugs list users having the issue on nvidia, ati and intel. There is not a lot of intel users comment so maybe those are another issue or bogus and it might be that the nvidia issue is fixed. In any case it would be nice to at least do a call for testing on Oneiric to see where we stand and if it's driver specific. If the issue is fglrx specific then escalating to amd seems a good idea indeed FYI, On Natty, I experienced the issue on my Intel laptop, but not on my Nvidia laptop. I've added the xdamage workaround before upgrading to Oneiric, so I don't know if it's fixed or not. I use the remote desktop functionality both when I'm not at home, and for tech support to my family, so if it gets removed, it would be nice to have an alternative take it's place... Marc. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
[Destkop12.04-Topic] OneConf enhancement for LTS
Hey, having a lot of thoughts on what can be OneConf (even it the scope of the post is more than a cycle I guess), I gathered them on this blog posts: http://blog.didrocks.fr/post/OneConf-in-Oneiric-and-the-way-forward%E2%80%A6 Cheers, Didier Roche -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] Multi-screen setups
Le 05/10/2011 17:00, Dereck Wonnacott a écrit : I use a laptop with an external monitor on a daily basis, I've upgraded from 11.04 to 11.10 in hope of finding better multi-screen support but was quite disappointed. My laptop has an Nvidia card and I was not able to activate my external monitor with unity 3D. [BUG 864784] HOWEVER, Unity 2D is surprisingly pleasant! I don't feel like I'm using second class software in the slightest. In fact, I rarely notice that I am using unity 2D. It's terrific, thank you guys! I miss the window snap function on the shared edge of the screens. Snap only seems to work on the far edges of the workspace. I would REALLY like display hot-plugging to turn on my external monitor when it's plugged in, but I've adjusted to using the nvidia-settings tool every time I boot my laptop. As for the questions posed by Bryce, here's my two cents as a user: * Should Unity be mirrored across the monitors? I'd be much happier if unity reflected the application use on that screen. * Should expo appear on all monitors, but only show windows for the monitor it's displayed on? yes! * Should the launcher be displayed on all monitors, and if so, how should it be shown with a mouse? Perhaps as the mouse approaches the top left corner of the screen, it could slide out much like how the the window snap works. * Should the dash, expo, spread view, etc, be displayed only on the monitor where the mouse pointer is, or a window has focused? I think it makes the most sense to follow the mouse, rather than mirroring on both screens. I know that design worked on that the past 3 weeks to look at the multimonitor cases in Unity and it's a target for Oneiric. So yeah, will likely to be discussed at UDS (you can also suggest your ideas on the ayatana mailing list (see http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/) to reach them. Didier -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] Desktop applications selection
Regarding pitivi, I know that the gst folks won't be around because UDS conflicts with the GStreamer Conference... However, if you wish it, I'd be glad to attend the session through VoIP (be it skype or empathy if it works these days) so that I may answer any questions/concerns that may arise. My goal would not be to nag/coerce you guys, only to be available as a member of the project that can answer questions regarding its direction and progress. Let me know if you'd be interested. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
[Bug 550847] Re: Impossible to answer kernel error questions
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Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] Working VNC (or no VNC)
Le mercredi 05 octobre 2011 à 11:17 -0700, Bryce Harrington a écrit : It looks to me like it basically works, modulo maybe a bug or two. So removing it seems unnecessary; just need to isolate and prioritize those bugs. I'm not convinced about that, the bug has a count of 325 users having the issue (which is quite high compared to most desktop bugs we get) and it's a point that comes often on user forums as something being broken in Ubuntu, I would like to get extra datas ... maybe we should do a call for testing on it during the Oneiric rc testing? Testing that feature regularly in the feature seems a good idea indeed -- Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] Accessibility pollish.
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 05:07:08PM EST, Didier Roche wrote: Can we add to the list installation and setup process? I had met some people with disabilities during the RMLL in France (French FLOSS event) and tried with them ubiquity, + setup Orca + magnification and I clearly saw that it's was quite buggy and not really helpful when you don't know all the shortcuts. This kind of tracking would be helpful. I have a full detailed list of issues we got. Great to hear, I'd be very interested in having a look at that list, as I am interested to see what you found. Luke -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
