[Bug 186186] Re: web page background render errors

2008-01-28 Thread Tony Yarusso
I can also confirm this - see the screenshot at 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonyyarusso/2219270945/.
Like Dean, I have not been able to establish a pattern, but it has happened 
multiple times.  I have actually had the same problem in both Epiphany and 
Firefox 3.0, both of which I believe use Gecko 1.9.

** Also affects: firefox-3.0 (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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Re: Bring back the "System Tools" menu?

2008-01-28 Thread Adam Petaccia

On Mon, 2007-11-19 at 12:45 -0800, Corey Burger wrote:
> On Nov 19, 2007 8:54 AM, Sebastien Bacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Le jeudi 27 septembre 2007 à 23:14 -0300, Evandro Fernandes Giovanini a
> > écrit :
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > "System Tools" is a standard category of the XDG spec that is not used
> > > in a default Ubuntu desktop. Applications that usually go in that
> > > category have been moved to other places, such as "Accessories" or
> > > "Administration", or simply hidden by default.
> > >
> > > Looking at Gutsy, I think the Accessories menu is too crowded with
> > > applications that don't belong there (Bluetooth Analyzer, Disk Usage
> > > Analyzer, Terminal). Another problem with Ubuntu ignoring the XDG spec
> > > is that third party applications might install an entry in that
> > > category, so the user will end up with the extra category anyway.
> > >
> > > I'd like to suggest that Ubuntu reconsiders this change and reverts back
> > > to upstream behaviour.
> >
> > hi,
> >
> > That's something which has been discussed already and there is no easy
> > way to make the menus easier to browse. Using the System Tools is one
> > option, what people subscribed to the list thing about this change?
> 
> Bluetooth analyzer can be hidden, as I believe it merely allows users
> to look at the bluetooth messages floating around. With that gone, the
> next big target is the Tracker search thing. I think we should replace
> the Search for Files at the bottom of the places menu with the Tracker
> Tool (yes, I realize this would create an Ubuntu specific patch. We
> can push it upstream or at least start a discussion about it upstream.
> Ideally we want a single search UI driving into either Beagle or
> Tracker, depending on the distro/user). I also vote we hide "Manage
> Print Jobs" or move it to the Administration menu.

This does nothing to solve the problem that many third party
applications place things in System Tools; a (power) user may want to
unhide something (Like GConf editor for me) that ships as hidden.  When
this happens you wind up with a rather scrawny unappealing System Tools
menu with one or two items in it, which is much worse.

While I agree that Ubuntu should look nice "out of the box", it should
continue to stay that way throughout its use, not degenerate as some
other OSs might.

Another solution may be to patch Gnome panel so that everything that
would appear under Applications --> System Tools would instead show up
under System --> Administration, but that may not be an appealing
solution to some as it would still involve diverging from upstream, but
it would be an easier solution in the long run that hacking every other
package that violates the convention, and still falling down when a 3rd
party app comes along.

> 
> Corey
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[Bug 186186] Re: web page background render errors

2008-01-28 Thread Dean Sas
I can confirm this, it's not as simple as it happening on some pages and
not on others though. Sometimes a webpage goes crazy, and then seconds
later it's completely normal. I haven't yet noticed a pattern.

** Changed in: epiphany-browser (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => Medium
 Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Desktop (ubuntu-desktop)
   Status: New => Confirmed

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Re: Xchat: the exception that confirms the rule?

2008-01-28 Thread Marcus Wagenaar

On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 16:11 +0100, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:
> It's very difficult to configure it. What is a screen name, what's
> local alias? Where do I enter my nickname? Ok, I enter the same in all
(...)
> Don't get me wrong. I absolutely love Pidgin, and I use it for
> everything related to IM, but let's be honest: it's _horrible_ when it
> comes to IRC! IRC and IM are two different things in any case. Let's
> have good tools for both. Especially when we recommend it to new
> users...

I have to second that. I once tried to use pidgin as an IRC client but
the experience made me so frustrated I even stopped using pidgin
altogether for a short while. 

Nowadays pidgin really is a great IM application, heck, even on MS
platforms I consider it to be the best multi-protocol IM client
available. Sadly pidgin fails horribly as IRC client. Whether this is
because that feature shouldn't be in an IM client at all or because
pidgin's IRC implementation simply sucks is open to debate. I'm inclined
to think an IM client could actually have a decent IRC implementation
but on the other hand I don't have any examples or references to back it
up. As of now there is no decent IRC application by default so a
separate application would definitely be an improvement.   

Regards,

Marcus Wagenaar 


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Re: Xchat: the exception that confirms the rule?

2008-01-28 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
On 28/01/2008, Sebastien Bacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On lun, 2008-01-28 at 00:47 +0100, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:
> > XChat isn't included in Ubuntu by default, and I guess that's because
> > of the rule of one application for each task. However, I feel that
> > even though Pidgin can be used for IRC, it does the job so poorly
> > compared to XChat, that it isn't a real option.
>
> Could you describe why you think that pidgin doesn't do an acceptable
> easy to use IRC client?
>
> Sebastien Bacher

It's very difficult to configure it. What is a screen name, what's
local alias? Where do I enter my nickname? Ok, I enter the same in all
the fields, and hope that'll work. I now seem to be connected. I have
a window called freenode-connect, which sais «freenode-connect:
Received CTCP 'VERSION' (to aintmynick) from freenode-connect» and I
have another window that's called NickServ, telling me that my
nickname is owned by someone else. Ok, so I've read RFC 1459 and know
that there is a command called NICK that's used to change nicknames. I
also know of a command named JOIN, which will enable me to join
something called a channel, which Pidgin doesn't seem to know anything
about, until you type /join #.

I'm now in the channel, which pidgin has renamed "Room". I have a list
of 1300 users, each having their own color, so it's impossible to read
the text. Pidgin has changed my nickname to aintmynick2 internally,
while people on IRC see my nickname as aintmynick. So, if someone
calls me by my Pidgin-nickname, then the message comes out golden, but
if someone calls me by my IRC-nickname, then the message comes out so
light-green that I cannot see their nickname. Actually, only the
nickname of the user sending it, not the entire message, like in
xchat.

...

Don't get me wrong. I absolutely love Pidgin, and I use it for
everything related to IM, but let's be honest: it's _horrible_ when it
comes to IRC! IRC and IM are two different things in any case. Let's
have good tools for both. Especially when we recommend it to new
users...

I hope that was descriptive,

Jo-Erlend Schinstad

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Re: Xchat: the exception that confirms the rule?

2008-01-28 Thread Sebastien Bacher

On lun, 2008-01-28 at 00:47 +0100, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:
> XChat isn't included in Ubuntu by default, and I guess that's because
> of the rule of one application for each task. However, I feel that
> even though Pidgin can be used for IRC, it does the job so poorly
> compared to XChat, that it isn't a real option.

Could you describe why you think that pidgin doesn't do an acceptable
easy to use IRC client?

Sebastien Bacher



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Re: Xchat: the exception that confirms the rule?

2008-01-28 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
On 28/01/2008, Corey Burger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 27, 2008 3:47 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > XChat isn't included in Ubuntu by default, and I guess that's because
> > of the rule of one application for each task. However, I feel that
> > even though Pidgin can be used for IRC, it does the job so poorly
> > compared to XChat, that it isn't a real option. Most users quickly
> > install XChat anyway. I therefore think XChat should be included by
> > default, and not XChat-GNOME, but the standard one. IRC, after all, is
> > a very important tool in this FOSS world of ours.
>
> Xchat was removed quite deliberately because although IRC is used a
> great deal by us geeks, it is not really something mom/pop and the
> more recent generation use, as they mostly use IM, SMS or increasingly
> Facebook.
>
> Corey

They also doesn't use Firefox instead of Internet Explorer, they don't
use Ubuntu instead of Windows, and not XMPP instead of MSN. Why is
that? They're never exposed to it. People don't learn what they never
get a chance to learn. The fact that Microsofts IRC client was a flop,
causing them to force their proprietary chat protocols on us instead,
is no good argument for removing peoples opportunity to use real,
standards based, chat protocols. In fact, I'd say quite the contrary,
of that reason we _should_ make IRC accessible. There is also the fact
that help.ubuntu.com in numerous places refers to IRC as the best
place to get help, which is true. Newbies, of all people, should have
easy access to IRC in general and our beloved Freenode in particular.
Xchat's standard configuration should open a connection to freenode,
automatically join #Ubuntu-welcome, which should offer them some
introduction, preferably in their own language, and suggest, or
forward to help channels.

Are Facebook, Microsoft Network, and the SMS really good alternatives to IRC?

,

Jo-Erlend Schinstad

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