Re: Experience on switching to GNOME Shell
Hi guys I've been working quite a bit with Gnome since it was announced, and the truth; The only thing I need to make it a fully usable desktop is the global menu, it's totally necessary. If we evaluate the ergonomic needs of a user of an operating system, what he needs most is a spacious visual sensation. The problem with the menu that now has gnome is that it loses a lot of space on the screen, if we add that the window is not maximized completely but it stays below the top bar we lose a large percentage of the screen. If we want a true migration without complaints and good acceptance must develop the global menu and maximized windows. I know that you are going to tell me, that this is not a priority and that there are other issues that at the level of code may be more important; But let's not forget that this lives thanks to the users and this is a need that is screaming. -- Javier Antonio Nisa Ávila / javier.nisa.av...@gmail.com / 654318170 -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Experience on switching to GNOME Shell
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:42 PM Daniel van Vugt < daniel.van.v...@canonical.com> wrote: > > So I would log enhancement ideas in launchpad, with some tag like > 'gnome-18.04'... > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bugs > But that's just me. > > I agree logging things in Launchpad is useful, and there are certainly obvious things on the list that I'll do that for. The problem with everyone tagging things is we get a giant list of random bugs that aren't necessarily common / worthwhile. This could be the first step though, and the list then culled down. I guess there's I'm looking for: - Are there things that we have experienced in common that suggest they're good things to fix? - Are these things fixable by us? - What is a realistic set of things we would like to be seen done by 18.04? --Robert -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Experience on switching to GNOME Shell
On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 9:42 PM, Daniel van Vugt wrote: > So I would log enhancement ideas in launchpad, with some tag like > 'gnome-18.04'... >https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bugs The gnome-17.10 tag is already in use for bugs that are potential targets for fixing this cycle along with the GNOME transition: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=gnome-17.10 Thanks, Jeremy -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Experience on switching to GNOME Shell
On 17 May 2017 at 23:28, Robert Ancell wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been using GNOME Shell for about a month now and I've had open a Google > Doc that I've been using to list down the things that I would like to see > resolved by 18.04 to ship a great experience. > > Now I have a bit of a list, I'm wondering what the most productive way is to > use this. I'm hesitant to just post it here, because that will likely end up > in a big bikeshedding [1] session... Does anyone else have such a list; > should we look for a method to combine them? > > I know there's a survey in progress for GNOME Shell extensions [1] and > someone mentioned a papercut project would be a good idea (can't find a > link). We can make a Trello board too. Any other ideas? > I do too have a google doc with things I am afraid to share. I only switched my non-main laptop to gnome shell. I have no idea how to curate it. Ideally, I would like to share it with the Ubuntu Gnome Desktop team privately such that this lot could quickly veto things, and then only publish publically non straight out of the bat vetoed things. Because I think it would be much better if the second pair of eyes skims through the list of issues I have, and quickly censors obvious land mines. -- Regards, Dimitri. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Experience on switching to GNOME Shell
I started an attempt at culling the gnome-shell bug list down to a manageable size yesterday. The goal being to formulate a current and shorter list that is not overwhelmingly big or out of date. Then people can start to see the launchpad bug list as achievable and useful. Or at least something we can stop from having unbounded growth. So I would log enhancement ideas in launchpad, with some tag like 'gnome-18.04'... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bugs But that's just me. Staying where the users are is best for community involvement. And the community is much bigger (hence more powerful) than Canonical alone. But you have to give them a voice, which AFAIK is best achieved in the log of a launchpad bug. On 18/05/17 06:28, Robert Ancell wrote: Hi all, I've been using GNOME Shell for about a month now and I've had open a Google Doc that I've been using to list down the things that I would like to see resolved by 18.04 to ship a great experience. Now I have a bit of a list, I'm wondering what the most productive way is to use this. I'm hesitant to just post it here, because that will likely end up in a big bikeshedding [1] session... Does anyone else have such a list; should we look for a method to combine them? I know there's a survey in progress for GNOME Shell extensions [1] and someone mentioned a papercut project would be a good idea (can't find a link). We can make a Trello board too. Any other ideas? --Robert [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality [2] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/ubuntu-desktop-gnome-extensions-survey-1710 -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Experience on switching to GNOME Shell
I have also switched to GNOME Shell shortly after the Zesty release. There I have also observed some problems which should get fixed for Artful, especially problems with HiDPI (I have a QHD 2560x1440), like having a tiny mouse pointer, some apps having tiny fonts, ... So it would be great to have a place to collect all the issues somewhere. Till On 05/17/2017 07:28 PM, Robert Ancell wrote: Hi all, I've been using GNOME Shell for about a month now and I've had open a Google Doc that I've been using to list down the things that I would like to see resolved by 18.04 to ship a great experience. Now I have a bit of a list, I'm wondering what the most productive way is to use this. I'm hesitant to just post it here, because that will likely end up in a big bikeshedding [1] session... Does anyone else have such a list; should we look for a method to combine them? I know there's a survey in progress for GNOME Shell extensions [1] and someone mentioned a papercut project would be a good idea (can't find a link). We can make a Trello board too. Any other ideas? --Robert [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality [2] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/ubuntu-desktop-gnome-extensions-survey-1710 -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Experience on switching to GNOME Shell
Hi all, I've been using GNOME Shell for about a month now and I've had open a Google Doc that I've been using to list down the things that I would like to see resolved by 18.04 to ship a great experience. Now I have a bit of a list, I'm wondering what the most productive way is to use this. I'm hesitant to just post it here, because that will likely end up in a big bikeshedding [1] session... Does anyone else have such a list; should we look for a method to combine them? I know there's a survey in progress for GNOME Shell extensions [1] and someone mentioned a papercut project would be a good idea (can't find a link). We can make a Trello board too. Any other ideas? --Robert [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality [2] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/ubuntu-desktop-gnome-extensions-survey-1710 -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: AppIndicator/KStatusNotifierItem support for GNOME Shell
Il 18/05/2017 00:26, Amr Ibrahim ha scritto: > I tried both extensions and I found that the appindicator extension > gives a better looking experience. > > What will be the situation of Ubuntu desktop regarding that? Would > Ubuntu follow upstream GNOME Shell, or choose an extension by default? We're still an user survey going on [1], and I personally feel the same and I agree we can't drop the AppIndicator support alltogether, as that's what most of our currently users expect to have. But... AppIndicator would also need a refresh, and there has been some discussion around it, that we should probably reconsider in order to plans actions for future of it, as also KDE is still stick to that. [1] https://goo.gl/forms/y33GYsiEe6BH6m3t1 -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
AppIndicator/KStatusNotifierItem support for GNOME Shell
Hello everyone, One of the achievements of Unity was that it pushed software vendors to adopt Appindicators for their software, such as Skype and Dropbox. Appindicators give a more consistent and better looking experience to the desktop than legacy tray icons. GNOME Shell, by default, positions tray icons at the bottom-left corner and hides them. The shell developers may want to push software vendors to provide native shell extensions of their applications instead of tray icons or appindicators. GPaste does that (1). It provides a native gnome-shell extension; in Debian (2). There is a shell extension (gnome-shell-extension-appindicator), which integrates Ubuntu AppIndicators and KStatusNotifierItems (KDE's successor of the systray) into GNOME Shell (3). There is also another extension (TopIcons-plus), which brings legacy tray icons to the top panel (4). I tried both extensions and I found that the appindicator extension gives a better looking experience. What will be the situation of Ubuntu desktop regarding that? Would Ubuntu follow upstream GNOME Shell, or choose an extension by default? Regards, Amr (1) https://github.com/Keruspe/GPaste (2) https://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome-shell-extensions-gpaste (3) https://github.com/rgcjonas/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator (4) https://github.com/phocean/TopIcons-plus -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: MP3 is free (?)
Hello, As far as I know, In gstreamer 1.12, mp3 decoding is done by the mpg123 plugin (libgstmpg123.so) in gst-plugins-ugly. https://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-ugly-plugins/html/gst-plugins-ugly-plugins-plugin-mpg123.html In Debian/Ubuntu, it is in the gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly package, which depends on libmpg123-0. Correct me if I'm wrong, the Ubuntu installer suggests gstreamer1.0-fluendo-mp3 for mp3 decoding. I don't know whether Fluendo (the company) still maintains that plugin or not. On the other hand, I can see that mpg123 is actively maintained. Amr -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: MP3 is free (?)
Hi Daniel, I spoke to our legal team a couple of months back to check in on MP3s and the general advice was to wait a little bit longer, probably 18.04 LTS before making any changes. Cheers, Will On 17 May 2017 at 03:47, Daniel van Vugt wrote: > Are there plans to change the packages included in Ubuntu 17.10 with the > end of MP3 licensing? > > https://www.iis.fraunhofer.de/en/ff/amm/prod/audiocodec/audi > ocodecs/mp3.html > > https://fedoramagazine.org/full-mp3-support-coming-soon-to-fedora/ > > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop > -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
