Re: [Unity-design] Fwd: What do we do with the file manager?
What was wrong with the extra pane view? I mean F3. Why do designer want me to have 2 nautilus windows opened to run task i already do well with F3? -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Unity-design] Fwd: What do we do with the file manager?
In GNOME Shell, windows can be easily tuned to consume half of the screen. (use Super+Left for left half, Super+Right for right half, Super+Up for maximize; drag the window to certain place also do the tricks). So extra pane is kind of dup from GNOME's point-of-view I guess. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Unity-design] Fwd: What do we do with the file manager?
The three things that Marlin misses are: A) Stability B) Split screen (multiple panes) ... maybe? C) Ability to draw the desktop' (e.g. desktop icons, right click on desktop - context menu) I believe (could be wrong) that those can be solved for 12.10 if the work starts soon enough. And yeah, Xavier, nautilus 3.6 has too much to be fixed, *waayy t much.* * * All hands considered I believe that 12.10 should either user some pretty (no horrid chopped down right sided toolbar and no back and forward on the left) or a fixed version of Marlin. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Unity-design] Fwd: What do we do with the file manager?
Le 09/08/2012 14:50, Georgi Karavasilev a écrit : The three things that Marlin misses are: A) Stability B) Split screen (multiple panes) ... maybe? C) Ability to draw the desktop' (e.g. desktop icons, right click on desktop - context menu) I believe (could be wrong) that those can be solved for 12.10 if the work starts soon enough. Ubuntu one integration as well -- Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Unity-design] Fwd: What do we do with the file manager?
To be honest, there is so much work to be done in nautilus 3.6 that I find it hard to believe if it is even a choice here -_- -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Unity-design] Fwd: What do we do with the file manager?
I think so too. The only good feature in 3.6, that I can find, is the black icon set for the left panel. Am 09.08.2012, 16:49 Uhr, schrieb Georgi Karavasilev motors...@gmail.com: To be honest, there is so much work to be done in nautilus 3.6 that I find it hard to believe if it is even a choice here -_- -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Unity-design] Fwd: What do we do with the file manager?
Maximal features should not be our goal. What's best for the default install should be. There are always going to be other file managers a user can install from the USC for more features. We should pick a path that is best in terms of maintainability for us and usability for across-the-chasm users. Picking one of the forks of 3.4 nautilus means that either we are the sole stewards or we will conflict with the existing maintainers over design goals (which sounds a lot like GNOME but with less manpower). I don't think we have the energies to own a whole file manager. I vote we just ride along with GNOME on this one and patch it to fit better when running under Unity. -mt On Thu 09 Aug 2012 10:52:28 EDT, Jonas Platte wrote: I think so too. The only good feature in 3.6, that I can find, is the black icon set for the left panel. Am 09.08.2012, 16:49 Uhr, schrieb Georgi Karavasilev motors...@gmail.com: To be honest, there is so much work to be done in nautilus 3.6 that I find it hard to believe if it is even a choice here -_- -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Unity-design] Fwd: What do we do with the file manager?
Le 09/08/2012 17:05, Michael Terry a écrit : Picking one of the forks of 3.4 nautilus means that either we are the sole stewards or we will conflict with the existing maintainers over design goals (which sounds a lot like GNOME but with less manpower). I don't think we have the energies to own a whole file manager. I vote we just ride along with GNOME on this one and patch it to fit better when running under Unity. Hey Michael, I agree with that mostly, I think we have some issues with 3.6 we need to solve at minimum: - we need to get our desktop menu (the one you get when you are on an empty workspace) back - we need to get the HUD working back with nautilus (we probably need to figure a solution for all apps using gear-icon-popup-menus) - we probably want a traditional menubar back, the gear menu and the app menu just doesn't work well in Unity and is different from all our other apps - I'm not sure what to think about things like the dropping of compact view or extra pane mode... We at least need to solve the 3 first items and we should have an opinion on the last one. I see 2 ways for this cycle: - spend the time to fix those 3 items at minima and figure what to do next at UDS - upload nautilus 3.4 to the archive, have both for one cycle (they will conflict but that's fine), default to 3.4, discuss what to do next at UDS The second one is a safer option imho, especially if nobody has time to work on fixing the issues listed previously. Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Unity-design] Fwd: What do we do with the file manager?
Le 09/08/2012 18:15, Sebastien Bacher a écrit : Le 09/08/2012 17:05, Michael Terry a écrit : Picking one of the forks of 3.4 nautilus means that either we are the sole stewards or we will conflict with the existing maintainers over design goals (which sounds a lot like GNOME but with less manpower). I don't think we have the energies to own a whole file manager. I vote we just ride along with GNOME on this one and patch it to fit better when running under Unity. Hey Michael, I agree with that mostly, I think we have some issues with 3.6 we need to solve at minimum: - we need to get our desktop menu (the one you get when you are on an empty workspace) back - we need to get the HUD working back with nautilus (we probably need to figure a solution for all apps using gear-icon-popup-menus) - we probably want a traditional menubar back, the gear menu and the app menu just doesn't work well in Unity and is different from all our other apps - I'm not sure what to think about things like the dropping of compact view or extra pane mode... I agree with both views that are discussed here. Thanks seb for having the list of what we can think of minimum feature we want :) We at least need to solve the 3 first items and we should have an opinion on the last one. I see 2 ways for this cycle: - spend the time to fix those 3 items at minima and figure what to do next at UDS - upload nautilus 3.4 to the archive, have both for one cycle (they will conflict but that's fine), default to 3.4, discuss what to do next at UDS As the nautilus deep changes came by surprise this cycle, we didn't plan any available workforce to get them back. Also, Feature Freeze is just a couple of weeks away. My advice would go with the 2nd solution here so that we don't rush and have a semi-finished product and additional unknown bugs. Also we won't have to patch and repatch seeing how much nautilus upstream trunk is moving at every 3.5.x release. Then, we can discuss quietly at UDS about what to do. Cheers, Didier -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Unity-design] Fwd: What do we do with the file manager?
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Sebastien Bacher seb...@ubuntu.com wrote: Le 09/08/2012 17:05, Michael Terry a écrit : I don't think we have the energies to own a whole file manager. I vote we just ride along with GNOME on this one and patch it to fit better when running under Unity. THIS. I think we already have a bad reputation for forking things needlessly. My vote is to cooperate as much as possible with upstream and have only minimal patches. I realize that not everybody agrees on every change that is made, but we really need to get over ourselves and get better at cooperating if we're going to succeed. We'll never resolve https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 if we decide that the world really does need 5 different forks of Nautilus. - I'm not sure what to think about things like the dropping of compact view or extra pane mode... I've been using the new Nautilus and I really like it quite a bit. I don't miss extra pane view at all, I feel like the improvements made to the breadcrumb trail have totally supplanted extra pane view. Here's a common use-case I find myself in all the time: I unpack a tarball containing half a dozen files into a directory, of which I only care about one. So I want to move that one out of the directory, then delete the directory. With extra pane view, you have to navigate both panes, then drag the file across, then close the pane and delete the directory. With the breadcrumb trail, you just enter the directory, drag the file to the breadcrumb representing the parent dir, then from there you can directly right click on the breadcrumb representing the current dir and select 'move to trash'. Overall it's a significant reduction in both number of clicks, and distance required to move the mouse. I think it's brilliant! As for compact view, well, the justification was that they were going to make list view get better to encompass that functionality, so if that's the case then I think it was kind of ass-backwards to delete compact view before improving list view. Fortunately the upstream git commits are quite cleanly organized so it shouldn't be too difficult to just revert that one commit that removes compact view, and maintain that as a patch until we see what happens to list view. -- http://gottengeography.ca -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Unity-design] Fwd: What do we do with the file manager?
On 09/08/12 12:15, Sebastien Bacher wrote: I see 2 ways for this cycle: - spend the time to fix those 3 items at minima and figure what to do next at UDS - upload nautilus 3.4 to the archive, have both for one cycle (they will conflict but that's fine), default to 3.4, discuss what to do next at UDS The second one is a safer option imho, especially if nobody has time to work on fixing the issues listed previously. I'm fine with either, but since we couldn't plan for this time-wise, I agree that the second one is more reasonable for 12.10 and we can have a fun discussion about it at UDS. -mt -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Unity-design] Fwd: What do we do with the file manager?
On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 10:54:25PM EST, Sebastien Bacher wrote: Le 09/08/2012 14:50, Georgi Karavasilev a écrit : The three things that Marlin misses are: A) Stability B) Split screen (multiple panes) ... maybe? C) Ability to draw the desktop' (e.g. desktop icons, right click on desktop - context menu) I believe (could be wrong) that those can be solved for 12.10 if the work starts soon enough. Ubuntu one integration as well Is it written in GTK? If not, assistive technology use/accessibility is also a concern. Luke -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Unity-design] Fwd: What do we do with the file manager?
Everyone of the suggested ones here uses GTK 3, yes :) -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Unity-design] Fwd: What do we do with the file manager?
On 08/09/2012 06:15 PM, Sebastien Bacher wrote: I see 2 ways for this cycle: - spend the time to fix those 3 items at minima and figure what to do next at UDS - upload nautilus 3.4 to the archive, have both for one cycle (they will conflict but that's fine), default to 3.4, discuss what to do next at UDS The second one is a safer option imho, especially if nobody has time to work on fixing the issues listed previously. Going from 'a half decently working' file manager to 'a less than half decently working' one wouldn't be a step forward. Even if the latter has the version number 3.6. I'd go with the second option. This deep into the release there is probably no way to make 3.6 an option for 12.10. For the future, if there are people to spare, then it would probably be the best to stick with Nautilus that is patched so it fits in with Unity for at least a couple of cycles. Then some other solution will be needed. It appears that Gnome will be going in a completely different direction than Unity and maintaining things just to keep it integrated will become more and more of a pain. Regards, David -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
