Re: Call for Natty Feedback!
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:29:35AM -0700, Jane Doe wrote: On my machine that has integrated Intel 845G graphics Natty Alpha 3 defaults to Software Rasterizer and that means 3D acceleration is not available! The Mesa DRI Intel(R) 845G GEM 20090712, 1.3 Mesa 7.6 driver and those previous worked fine with Ubuntu for heavy 3D acceleration... Hi Jane, sorry you've run into problems, and thanks for testing! However, we're asking that 8xx owners please work directly with upstream for testing the driver. At the distro level we're focusing only on 9xx and newer cards now. You can file bug reports upstream about 8xx at bugs.freedesktop.org. Thanks again, and good luck, Bryce -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Call for Natty Feedback!
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 20:58, Jason Warner jason.war...@canonical.comwrote: Hello! Natty Feature Freeze is here and A3 is upon us! Anyone following along closely should see and feel a fairly stable and usable system, complete with Unity and classic Gnome. I'd like to hear people's thoughts on Unity...and I'd like it to be pretty unfiltered and raw. In particular, I'm interested in seeing how people feel about: * The look and feel * Usability * Stability (knowing that we are entering a heavy bug fixing time!) * Highlights and favorite features * Perceived shortcomings and/or wishlist items You can reply to this email if your feedback is general/conversational or file a bug if you are experiencing a specific issue. Filing a bug with 'ubuntu-bug unity' command would do the trick and would get seen by the appropriate people for specific issues. It will be fun to hear what everyone thinks! I look forward to seeing the feedback. Cheers, Jason people who know my posts are aware that i can get lengthy at times, so i'll keep it relatively compact today ;) Thanks to everyone who has already committed reviews to this thread, i enjoyed reading all of them and i learnt a great deal from seeing other people's reviews. 1 launcher backlight is generally without purpose (except workspace switcher and trash) 2 workspace switcher should be on top 3 gnome-www-browser undiscoverable 4 no way to access power preferences 5 no way to access ubuntu one preferences 6 no consistent UI for preferences in general 7 Presence doesn't integrate with Empathy 8 indicators need more spacing 9 panel covers entire top edge, but middle is always blank - wasted display space 10 home button doesn't look pressed when pressed 11 dash doesn't work 12 in the (currently broken) dash, browsing is called find 13 ALT+F2 is not implemented - big no-no 14 Indicator Menus should float above content transparently (- wingpanel) 15 there is still no distinction between close vs closequit 16 no visual feedback when pointer hits hot areas 17 fade-in / fade out of dock is stuck when pointer touches the top-right hot-corner, but there's no visual feedback to indicate that i touched any hot area (see 16) 18 totem doesn't integrate with Sound Menu's playback controls, although it is default playback app for single audio files - bad 19 dash should appear center stage, not top-left 20 add an appointment should open a tiny dialog, not Evolution Calendar, maximized 21 three seperate configuration links on the bottom of one indicator menu is just hilariously confusing (Me Menu) 22 Messaging Menu and Session Menu are inconsistent, in that they have no Preferences or Settings item on the bottom, when Networking, Power, Sound, Time/Calendar, MeMenu all do 23 dmedia should be integrated into the dash for browsing/previewing videos 24 shotwell should be integrated into the dash for browsing/previewing photos 25 some MPRIS IDO should be integrated into the dash for browsing/previewing audio (yet, outstanding work so far by Conor) 26 Epiphany-webkit should be default browser, since it integrates with Unity and neither Chromium nor Firefox do that 27 I'd like more drag-and-drop interaction with window previews, workspaces and workspace previews 28 Unity/Mutter was better with workspaces: it showcased the open windows with its equivalent of the compiz Scale plugin I love the Scale plugin / Window Picker. If docky had that, i'd use default GNOME until Unity is stable. Since Docky doesn't have that, i'm going to continue using Unity, even though it is terribly unstable and far from finished, since this one single feature already makes it so much more usable than any Desktop Environment i have used before. Ubuntu would be better as a whole, if Presence in the Me Menu would actually control Presence in Empathy. Since that bug has not been fixed, although it is quite easy to fix (comment out a few lines of code), the MeMenu, perhaps the most frequently visited indicator menu for me, doesn't work, and Ubuntu always has a bitter note to it when i turn it on. Thanks for the opportunity to review this beautiful DE-in-the-making.. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Call for Natty Feedback!
On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 12:16 +0100, frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote: 26 Epiphany-webkit should be default browser, since it integrates with Unity and neither Chromium nor Firefox do that Hi, Well, that is going to improve right after Alpha 3 (see [1]). Regards Chris [1] - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-4.0.head/revision/805 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Call for Natty Feedback!
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:34, Chris Coulson chrisccoul...@ubuntu.comwrote: On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 12:16 +0100, frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote: 26 Epiphany-webkit should be default browser, since it integrates with Unity and neither Chromium nor Firefox do that Hi, Well, that is going to improve right after Alpha 3 (see [1]). thanks Chris, that's COOL! 'd like to add.. there's currently no serious replacement for Places, which worked quite well in Ubuntu/GNOME. It takes me forever to get to Downloads or to Documents. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Call for Natty Feedback!
Hi Vish, On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 13:00, Vishnoo v...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 12:16 +0100, frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote: people who know my posts are aware that i can get lengthy at times, so i'll keep it relatively compact today ;) Thanks! ;p you're welcome, anytime ;) Thanks to everyone who has already committed reviews to this thread, i enjoyed reading all of them and i learnt a great deal from seeing other people's reviews. 8 indicators need more spacing Contrary to that, folks think current spacing is already too much: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-application/+bug/527267 yeah, good point, but that's Appindicators. I really mean Networking, Power, Sound, Messaging and the ones that follow (Date/Time, Me, Session). I don't see the reason for NOT having a wingpanel up there, and spacing the indicators a bit more, to make aiming and visual distinction easier.. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Call for Natty Feedback!
Le mardi 01 mars 2011 à 13:05 -0800, Bryce Harrington a écrit : Stabilitywise, I need to use 'unity --reset' still quite a bit, but otherwise once it's up and running it seems solid. Hello Bryce, That's an interesting comment, I'm rather curious to know why you need to do that? What issues do you run into? The unity --reset command is to reset the compiz configuration, do you tweak yours using ccsm or similar? Or do you just want restart unity because it crashed or got confused over time? If you just want to restart unity you just need to run unity without the reset option. Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Call for Natty Feedback!
Hello! Natty Feature Freeze is here and A3 is upon us! Anyone following along closely should see and feel a fairly stable and usable system, complete with Unity and classic Gnome. I'd like to hear people's thoughts on Unity...and I'd like it to be pretty unfiltered and raw. In particular, I'm interested in seeing how people feel about: * The look and feel * Usability * Stability (knowing that we are entering a heavy bug fixing time!) * Highlights and favorite features * Perceived shortcomings and/or wishlist items You can reply to this email if your feedback is general/conversational or file a bug if you are experiencing a specific issue. Filing a bug with 'ubuntu-bug unity' command would do the trick and would get seen by the appropriate people for specific issues. It will be fun to hear what everyone thinks! I look forward to seeing the feedback. Cheers, Jason PS. For those that like to navigate via keyboard (and who doesn't!), this should be helpful http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/keyboard-shortcuts-in-unity/28087#28087 -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Call for Natty Feedback!
On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 04:18:22PM -0500, Sean McNamara wrote: 5. Stability has been poor in my experience; I run into X crashes from time to time doing fairly mundane stuff that doesn't trigger a crash with Gnome2. Can you provide a bug # (with a full backtrace if possible)? I'm putting a priority on following up on xserver segfaults. (Actually there are no public X crash bugs open against natty at the moment, so I wonder that what you're seeing is not actually an xserver segfault. Regardless, it should be investigated.) 6. Multi-monitor seems totally broken somehow... on a 1024x768 laptop with a 1680x1050 VGA LCD attached, I get no menus and no indication that Unity is aware of windows on the large external LCD. And the left-side menu doesn't come up at all anymore. It seems like there is an empty space above the top of my laptop's screen where my mouse can go, but there is nothing up there -- I configured (using the xrandr-based Monitors applet) the big monitor to be to the right of the laptop LCD. The first half of that could be unity's handling of multi-head, which I agree seems like it needs more QA. The second half, regarding blank spaces where the mouse gets lost, is a long standing known X.org issue (bug #389519). (There's been a patch proposed but it's not upstream yet.) Bryce -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Call for Natty Feedback!
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Jason Warner jason.war...@canonical.com wrote: Hello! Natty Feature Freeze is here and A3 is upon us! Anyone following along closely should see and feel a fairly stable and usable system, complete with Unity and classic Gnome. I'd like to hear people's thoughts on Unity...and I'd like it to be pretty unfiltered and raw. In particular, I'm interested in seeing how people feel about: * The look and feel I like that this is somewhat consistent with the look and feel we have in Maverick, which should really help with upgrades. As far as prettiness, I don't know if I am looking at the final art assets or if a big change is still coming; that makes it a little difficult to comment. I think it's fairly pretty in general, though the dash obviously is still a WIP in that regard. I'm a little bothered by our half title bar / half top panel. We can end up with some really ugly visuals with maximised windows that are completely inconsistent with unmaximized windows. (Especially with themes that don't style the panel like a title bar, which is most themes because styling the panel like a title bar is a weird thing to do). The merging itself is quite natural, but the visuals hurt it for me. Alas, that one is a tough nut to crack so I can probably live with it for now, but is there any ongoing work in that direction? The glowy backgrounds on icons are interesting. Has anyone else noticed a strange tendency towards a really ugly, greenish yellow? I think that particular design is actually a little tired; everyone has been doing it since Windows 7 did it. (And Windows 7 still does the best job with it). * Usability There are always little bugs to report, but it's coming along. I LOVE the stuff with holding Super to launch things in the panel, especially how that works with Places. A visual representation of the common keyboard shortcuts is something I have wanted for a long time. The arrows in the launcher! I don't think we are doing our users a favour when their applications start looking like pin-cushions. Lots of things are being presented by that one idea. I had a bit of muttering here about the widgets in the dash, but I filed a bug report on the text field (http://launchpad.net/bugs/727295). These have really been changing a lot so I'm sure it will be quite a bit better soon :) Configuration stuff is really weird to get to now. (Though it can be a little easier depending on how the search stuff looks in the end). I know we can't have Gnome 3's Control Centre yet (*sad face*), but maybe there could be a nice launcher that brings up the Application place pointing at the System category. That could also smooth the upgrade to 11.10, where I assume we will want to stick the Control Centre somewhere ;) * Stability (knowing that we are entering a heavy bug fixing time!) It's seems to be getting there with the latest update. I have my reservations about the global menu being implemented over dbus — it sounds like a weird, roundabout route for that window-specific data to take — but it is being much more reliable lately so I guess I don't need to worry about that hitting actual users. * Highlights and favorite features Dragging a file to the launcher is really cool. We've had the ability to drag and drop to applications for a long time and this actually makes it useful. It's neat what a little thing like that can do, and it's wonderful when such things can plug in to existing standards so they already work to their fullest. This is particularly useful with an open application. I frequently want to drag and drop a file to an entry in the window list, and finally I can! * Perceived shortcomings and/or wishlist items That dash feels a little netbook-ish. Some of the strings on it feel awkward — very specific and task-oriented. To me, that projects a feeling of the system itself being limited. Lots of comments people write about the dash seem to imply the same thing. This probably has a different effect on simpler users who really do want to just “browse the web,” “view photos,” “check email” and “listen to music,” but I wonder if this could use less loaded descriptions, and maybe just application names to communicate that these are regular application launchers. (Of course, I'm assuming by the “Shortcuts” heading that the eventual goal is for these to be user-configured). Finally, and I know I already filed a bug report on this but it's my favourite wishlist item: Quit does not actually quit applications; it closes windows and hopes that means quitting applications. Given Ayatana has been working on that relationship, this feels distinctly unhappy to me. For example, music players don't HAVE Quit anymore; you close the player's main window, and the application stays running if it needs to. Bamf does pretty well, but I think Unity is trying to present a knowledge of applications (as opposed to windows) that it simply does not have at the moment, and cannot have
Re: Call for Natty Feedback!
On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 06:28 +1030, Jason Warner wrote: I'd like to hear people's thoughts on Unity...and I'd like it to be pretty unfiltered and raw. In particular, I'm interested in seeing how people feel about: So, now that the binary nVidia driver is working in Natty, I was able to try Unity out. I've been playing with it for about 45 minutes now, and here are my observations: I like the overall look of things. The Unity launcher on the left is neat. Not having menus in applications is weird at first glance, especially when you don't see them by default in the top bar. I thought the menus were broken until I put my mouse at the top of the screen and they appeared. Discoverability is a little odd until you know about it, and then it's fine. Having the menu appear half way over the name of the applications looks bad though. It kind of looks like it's broken. I haven't discovered where my applications are yet. I clicked on the big button on the top left hand corner, which popped up a nice looking dialog. Unfortunately the search bar doesn't seem to find anything, and the find icons don't do anything when I click on them. I assume this is unfinished, and is a known issue so I won't file a bug unless otherwise told to. Since that wasn't working, I tried hitting Alt-F2 to start an application, but that doesn't seem to work either. For now, I'll just start my apps using the command line. So, starting a terminal, the first thing I notice is it puts the terminal underneath the launcher, and the launcher goes away. The only way I've figured to get the launcher back is to move the terminal away from the edge of the screen. This is kind of irritating. New windows shouldn't get placed underneath the launcher, and there has to be some way of getting the launcher back without moving stuff out of the way. Second thing I notice, is there doesn't seem to be a way to start an application more than once. How do I open more than one terminal? How do I open more than one text editor? I seriously hope this will be possible. I can understand that certain applications, such as Evolution, should only be started once, but surely the terminal and the text editor are exceptions to this. Especially when using multiple workspaces. I am a heavy workspace user, and have been for years. Using multiple workspaces is the way I deal with doing more than one task at a time. A workspace for email and communications, a workspace for something I'm working on, a workspace for another task, etc. I want to check something out? Switch to an unused workspace and open a new browser. I used to think only power-users used workspaces, but to my surprise, family members who I've converted to Ubuntu have discovered workspaces by themselves and use them regularly. Unfortunately, workspaces are hard to use under Natty. The workspace switcher icon doesn't have previews, so it's hard to figure out where my stuff is. Clicking on the icon reveals a seasickness-inducing animation of all my workspaces entering the screen. But, I can't select any. At least, I _though_ I couldn't select any, until I finally noticed that I need to click _once_ on the icon, and then _double-click_ on the window I want to select. Switching between windows in a current workspace is hard also, as the launcher displays arrows beside applications that reside on different workspaces. When I click on the Firefox launcher that has an arrow, am I bringing up a firefox from this task, or will the launcher catapult me into another workspace altogether and try and make me guess where I've ended up? In all, I really like Unity and am looking forward to the bugs and usability issues to be cleared up. Marc. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Call for Natty Feedback!
On Tue, 2011-03-01 at 13:51 -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote: On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 04:18:22PM -0500, Sean McNamara wrote: 5. Stability has been poor in my experience; I run into X crashes from time to time doing fairly mundane stuff that doesn't trigger a crash with Gnome2. Can you provide a bug # (with a full backtrace if possible)? I'm putting a priority on following up on xserver segfaults. (Actually there are no public X crash bugs open against natty at the moment, so I wonder that what you're seeing is not actually an xserver segfault. Regardless, it should be investigated.) 6. Multi-monitor seems totally broken somehow... on a 1024x768 laptop with a 1680x1050 VGA LCD attached, I get no menus and no indication that Unity is aware of windows on the large external LCD. And the left-side menu doesn't come up at all anymore. It seems like there is an empty space above the top of my laptop's screen where my mouse can go, but there is nothing up there -- I configured (using the xrandr-based Monitors applet) the big monitor to be to the right of the laptop LCD. The first half of that could be unity's handling of multi-head, which I agree seems like it needs more QA. The second half, regarding blank spaces where the mouse gets lost, is a long standing known X.org issue (bug #389519). (There's been a patch proposed but it's not upstream yet.) There's a patch series for this and pointer barriers (which Unity might want to use, too, for the BDB + multihead) on the xorg-devel mailing list. The crtc-clamping works and if we really wanted it the patch is relatively safe and could be FFe'd. The pointer-barriers need protocol changes, and I'd be hesitant to include them before the protocol has been finalised. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
