Re: Call for testing empathy

[Danny Piccirillo]

Seems like people agree on the forums as well =]

Discussion has been started up again here:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6520228#post6520228

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 7:38 AM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad <
joerlend.schins...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think Jaunty is a good place to start the transition to Empathy to give
> us a couple of cycles to deep test it and shake out the bugs before 10.04
> LTS; the Leaping Lemming? :)
>
> But Empathy is still in universe, right? It should at least be moved to
> main!
>
> Happy new year everyone!
>
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Re: Call for testing empathy

[Jo-Erlend Schinstad]

I think Jaunty is a good place to start the transition to Empathy to give us
a couple of cycles to deep test it and shake out the bugs before 10.04 LTS;
the Leaping Lemming? :)

But Empathy is still in universe, right? It should at least be moved to
main!

Happy new year everyone!

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Re: Call for testing empathy

[Danny Piccirillo]

IRC has been supported for while. You need telepathy-idle installed

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 2:51 AM, Bryan Quigley  wrote:

> Did they add IRC support?  We really want to have an IRC client by default
> (Pidgin is one).
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 2:41 AM, Danny Piccirillo <
> danny.picciri...@ubuntu.com> wrote:
>
>> Intrepid+1 approaches-- is it too late to reconsider Empathy for
>> inclusion?
>>
>> I just tried the newest version of Empathy and things look a lot better!
>> File transfers now work and it picks up my webcam/mic!
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas 
>> wrote:
>>
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>>> Laurent Bigonville wrote on 08/08/08 21:12:
>>> >...
>>> > Empathy[1] will be part of the upcoming GNOME 2.24 desktop.
>>> > The ubuntu desktop team considers using it instead of Pidgin for
>>> > intrepid as default IM client. If you are running intrepid, please give
>>> > empathy a test and report bugs to launchpad[2].
>>> >...
>>>
>>> To help in this decision, I have evaluated the usability of Empathy and
>>> Pidgin, and written up my findings.
>>> 
>>> In summary, I suggest that Ubuntu continue using Pidgin by default for
>>> Intrepid, and that we reconsider Empathy for Intrepid+1.
>>>
>>> Empathy currently does a couple of big things Pidgin does not (audio and
>>> video chat), and handles one big feature much better than Pidgin (chat
>>> logging). But I found most features were more obvious in Pidgin,
>>> especially account setup, which is important for anyone who will start
>>> using IM in Intrepid. (And people who were already using either Empathy
>>> or Pidgin in a previous version of Ubuntu will continue using the same
>>> program in Intrepid anyway, regardless of our decision.)
>>>
>>> I found dozens of small learnability and efficiency problems in both
>>> programs, and I have not yet had time to report them all as bugs. If
>>> anyone would like to help out with this, especially in finding bugs that
>>> have already been reported, I'd greatly appreciate it. (Wherever the
>>> wiki page says "()", it needs a link to a bug report.)
>>>
>>> Cheers
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Re: Call for testing empathy

[Bryan Quigley]

Did they add IRC support?  We really want to have an IRC client by default
(Pidgin is one).

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 2:41 AM, Danny Piccirillo <
danny.picciri...@ubuntu.com> wrote:

> Intrepid+1 approaches-- is it too late to reconsider Empathy for inclusion?
>
>
> I just tried the newest version of Empathy and things look a lot better!
> File transfers now work and it picks up my webcam/mic!
>
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas 
> wrote:
>
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>> Laurent Bigonville wrote on 08/08/08 21:12:
>> >...
>> > Empathy[1] will be part of the upcoming GNOME 2.24 desktop.
>> > The ubuntu desktop team considers using it instead of Pidgin for
>> > intrepid as default IM client. If you are running intrepid, please give
>> > empathy a test and report bugs to launchpad[2].
>> >...
>>
>> To help in this decision, I have evaluated the usability of Empathy and
>> Pidgin, and written up my findings.
>> 
>> In summary, I suggest that Ubuntu continue using Pidgin by default for
>> Intrepid, and that we reconsider Empathy for Intrepid+1.
>>
>> Empathy currently does a couple of big things Pidgin does not (audio and
>> video chat), and handles one big feature much better than Pidgin (chat
>> logging). But I found most features were more obvious in Pidgin,
>> especially account setup, which is important for anyone who will start
>> using IM in Intrepid. (And people who were already using either Empathy
>> or Pidgin in a previous version of Ubuntu will continue using the same
>> program in Intrepid anyway, regardless of our decision.)
>>
>> I found dozens of small learnability and efficiency problems in both
>> programs, and I have not yet had time to report them all as bugs. If
>> anyone would like to help out with this, especially in finding bugs that
>> have already been reported, I'd greatly appreciate it. (Wherever the
>> wiki page says "()", it needs a link to a bug report.)
>>
>> Cheers
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Re: Call for testing empathy

[Danny Piccirillo]

Intrepid+1 approaches-- is it too late to reconsider Empathy for inclusion?

I just tried the newest version of Empathy and things look a lot better!
File transfers now work and it picks up my webcam/mic!

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:

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> Laurent Bigonville wrote on 08/08/08 21:12:
> >...
> > Empathy[1] will be part of the upcoming GNOME 2.24 desktop.
> > The ubuntu desktop team considers using it instead of Pidgin for
> > intrepid as default IM client. If you are running intrepid, please give
> > empathy a test and report bugs to launchpad[2].
> >...
>
> To help in this decision, I have evaluated the usability of Empathy and
> Pidgin, and written up my findings.
> 
> In summary, I suggest that Ubuntu continue using Pidgin by default for
> Intrepid, and that we reconsider Empathy for Intrepid+1.
>
> Empathy currently does a couple of big things Pidgin does not (audio and
> video chat), and handles one big feature much better than Pidgin (chat
> logging). But I found most features were more obvious in Pidgin,
> especially account setup, which is important for anyone who will start
> using IM in Intrepid. (And people who were already using either Empathy
> or Pidgin in a previous version of Ubuntu will continue using the same
> program in Intrepid anyway, regardless of our decision.)
>
> I found dozens of small learnability and efficiency problems in both
> programs, and I have not yet had time to report them all as bugs. If
> anyone would like to help out with this, especially in finding bugs that
> have already been reported, I'd greatly appreciate it. (Wherever the
> wiki page says "()", it needs a link to a bug report.)
>
> Cheers
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Re: Call for testing empathy

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

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Laurent Bigonville wrote on 08/08/08 21:12:
>...
> Empathy[1] will be part of the upcoming GNOME 2.24 desktop.
> The ubuntu desktop team considers using it instead of Pidgin for
> intrepid as default IM client. If you are running intrepid, please give
> empathy a test and report bugs to launchpad[2].
>...

To help in this decision, I have evaluated the usability of Empathy and
Pidgin, and written up my findings.

In summary, I suggest that Ubuntu continue using Pidgin by default for
Intrepid, and that we reconsider Empathy for Intrepid+1.

Empathy currently does a couple of big things Pidgin does not (audio and
video chat), and handles one big feature much better than Pidgin (chat
logging). But I found most features were more obvious in Pidgin,
especially account setup, which is important for anyone who will start
using IM in Intrepid. (And people who were already using either Empathy
or Pidgin in a previous version of Ubuntu will continue using the same
program in Intrepid anyway, regardless of our decision.)

I found dozens of small learnability and efficiency problems in both
programs, and I have not yet had time to report them all as bugs. If
anyone would like to help out with this, especially in finding bugs that
have already been reported, I'd greatly appreciate it. (Wherever the
wiki page says "()", it needs a link to a bug report.)

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Re: Call for testing empathy

[Xavier Claessens]

On mar, 2008-08-19 at 23:12 +0200, Duncan Lithgow wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 11:33 -0400, Bryan Quigley wrote:
> 
> > It appears to me that Empathy could eventually replace both Pidgin and
> > Ekiga.  I don't currently use Ekiga, but can anyone tell me how close
> > Empathy is to being comparable?
> The Ekiga devs who I spoke to said that a.) it's not ready for SIP and
> b.) even when it is there are a lot of things that it will not support
> because they are going for a unified interface.

I 100% agree Empathy is not yet ready for SIP (is ekiga ready btw?). But
I see no reason the unified interface is limiting anything. IMHO Empathy
will be as good as ekiga for SIP.

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Re: Call for testing empathy

[Mario Limonciello]

Something else that I haven't seen brought up yet is a migration path to
empathy.  I've seen indications that it uses a purple backend (above), so
will all pidgin settings just translate over?

It that above indication was incorrect, is there a tool for doing the
migration?  If not, I would expect a lot of people will be unhappy to
suddenly "lose" a lot of their settings upon upgrades.

On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 03:53, Alexander Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Reasonably fair point. It's just that that WOULD have been Hardy if
> there wasn't a packaging oopsy wrt. connection manager dependencies.
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Re: Call for testing empathy

[Duncan Lithgow]

On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 11:33 -0400, Bryan Quigley wrote:

> It appears to me that Empathy could eventually replace both Pidgin and
> Ekiga.  I don't currently use Ekiga, but can anyone tell me how close
> Empathy is to being comparable?
The Ekiga devs who I spoke to said that a.) it's not ready for SIP and
b.) even when it is there are a lot of things that it will not support
because they are going for a unified interface.

I asked of course if the two projects shared code, but apparently they
use two separate codebases, something about two different ways of doing
things. I got the impression that SIP is way out of the realistic reach
of Empathy (at least for now). Just see how many IM clients are around
and how many VoIP apps there are.

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Re: Call for testing empathy

[Duncan Lithgow]

On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 14:31 +0200, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:

> 
> I think the project is on the right track. It has some interesting
> proposals, and in the future, I'm sure it's features will make it a
> good
> replacement for Pidgin, but not yet. By all means, promote it to main 
> and make it available to the mainstream users, but _please_ don't
> replace Pidgin with this in Intrepid. It's way too soon. 
+1

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Re: Call for testing empathy

[Guillaume Desmottes]

Le mercredi 20 août 2008 à 01:37 -0400, Adam Petaccia a écrit :
> On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 11:12 +0200, Guillaume Desmottes wrote:
> > Le lundi 18 août 2008 à 11:05 -0500, Mario Limonciello a écrit :
> > > Something else that I haven't seen brought up yet is a migration path
> > > to empathy.  I've seen indications that it uses a purple backend
> > > (above), so will all pidgin settings just translate over?
> > > 
> > > It that above indication was incorrect, is there a tool for doing the
> > > migration?  If not, I would expect a lot of people will be unhappy to
> > > suddenly "lose" a lot of their settings upon upgrades.
> > 
> > Empathy team is working on a tool to import Pidgin accounts.
> > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=541060
> Is there any tool to import Pidgin logs? I'd like to try Empathy, but
> I'd hate to lose all my history.

No, a bug is open about that:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=540961


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Re: Call for testing empathy

[Adam Petaccia]

On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 11:12 +0200, Guillaume Desmottes wrote:
> Le lundi 18 août 2008 à 11:05 -0500, Mario Limonciello a écrit :
> > Something else that I haven't seen brought up yet is a migration path
> > to empathy.  I've seen indications that it uses a purple backend
> > (above), so will all pidgin settings just translate over?
> > 
> > It that above indication was incorrect, is there a tool for doing the
> > migration?  If not, I would expect a lot of people will be unhappy to
> > suddenly "lose" a lot of their settings upon upgrades.
> 
> Empathy team is working on a tool to import Pidgin accounts.
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=541060
Is there any tool to import Pidgin logs? I'd like to try Empathy, but
I'd hate to lose all my history.

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Re: Call for testing empathy

[Bryan Quigley]

I liked the interface slightly more than pidgin's (the away icons rock).
But agree, that it might be to quick, Pidgin has a lot of functionality.
One that I use (and currently is shipping by default) is off the record
messaging.

It appears to me that Empathy could eventually replace both Pidgin and
Ekiga.  I don't currently use Ekiga, but can anyone tell me how close
Empathy is to being comparable?  If it can replace Ekiga, perhaps it could
do that for Intrepid and leave Pidgin alone for now?
-Bryan Quigley

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
> 2008/8/8 Laurent Bigonville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Empathy[1] will be part of the upcoming GNOME 2.24 desktop.
>> The ubuntu desktop team considers using it instead of Pidgin for
>> intrepid as default IM client. If you are running intrepid, please give
>> empathy a test and report bugs to launchpad[2]. It may be installed by
>> running synaptic and installing the empathy package or by running
>> "sudo apt-get install empathy".
>> If you experiment a bug have a look at [3] before reporting.
>>
>
>
> With all due respect, that's a very, very bad idea. I didn't have very
> high expectations when I first installed it to try it out.I think Pidgin
> does an excellent job, and that it would take a very strong argument
> for it to be replaced at all. However, I still felt disappointed. The GUI
> felt awkward, it seemed to be missing a lot of features compared to
> Pidgin. What surprised me the most, though, was that it wasn't even
> in main!
>
> I think the project is on the right track. It has some interesting
> proposals, and in the future, I'm sure it's features will make it a good
> replacement for Pidgin, but not yet. By all means, promote it to main
> and make it available to the mainstream users, but _please_ don't
> replace Pidgin with this in Intrepid. It's way too soon.
>
> Jo-Erlend Schinstad
>
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Re: Call for testing empathy

[Jo-Erlend Schinstad]

2008/8/8 Laurent Bigonville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Hello everyone,
>
> Empathy[1] will be part of the upcoming GNOME 2.24 desktop.
> The ubuntu desktop team considers using it instead of Pidgin for
> intrepid as default IM client. If you are running intrepid, please give
> empathy a test and report bugs to launchpad[2]. It may be installed by
> running synaptic and installing the empathy package or by running
> "sudo apt-get install empathy".
> If you experiment a bug have a look at [3] before reporting.
>


With all due respect, that's a very, very bad idea. I didn't have very
high expectations when I first installed it to try it out.I think Pidgin
does an excellent job, and that it would take a very strong argument
for it to be replaced at all. However, I still felt disappointed. The GUI
felt awkward, it seemed to be missing a lot of features compared to
Pidgin. What surprised me the most, though, was that it wasn't even
in main!

I think the project is on the right track. It has some interesting
proposals, and in the future, I'm sure it's features will make it a good
replacement for Pidgin, but not yet. By all means, promote it to main
and make it available to the mainstream users, but _please_ don't
replace Pidgin with this in Intrepid. It's way too soon.

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Re: Call for testing empathy

[Guillaume Desmottes]

Le lundi 18 août 2008 à 11:05 -0500, Mario Limonciello a écrit :
> Something else that I haven't seen brought up yet is a migration path
> to empathy.  I've seen indications that it uses a purple backend
> (above), so will all pidgin settings just translate over?
> 
> It that above indication was incorrect, is there a tool for doing the
> migration?  If not, I would expect a lot of people will be unhappy to
> suddenly "lose" a lot of their settings upon upgrades.

Empathy team is working on a tool to import Pidgin accounts.
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=541060


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Re: Call for testing empathy

[Scott James Remnant]

On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 22:12 +0200, Laurent Bigonville wrote:

> Empathy[1] will be part of the upcoming GNOME 2.24 desktop.
> The ubuntu desktop team considers using it instead of Pidgin for
> intrepid as default IM client. If you are running intrepid, please give
> empathy a test and report bugs to launchpad[2]. It may be installed by
> running synaptic and installing the empathy package or by running
> "sudo apt-get install empathy".
> If you experiment a bug have a look at [3] before reporting.
> 
I've made a tweak to the layout of the Empathy chat window.

The tabs were filling the entire top of the window, which:

 a) is inconsistent with just about every other application[0]

 b) causes people to feel hesitant about making the window wider,
leading to some odd feedback from my test subjects

If anyone has any particularly strong feelings either way, please let me
know - otherwise if nobody complains too much, I'll submit it upstream
as a patch in a little while.

Scott

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Re: Call for testing empathy

[Markus Hitter]

Am 14.08.2008 um 17:03 schrieb Luke L:

> Here's my other thought: I personally don't have Intrepid to test  
> this software out. Hardy doesn't have a functioning version  
> (without going into PPA and manual setup, which is not what most  
> people will do). Jumping straight into having it replace Pidgin  
> might be hasty. Consider getting a stable program in the OS for a  
> release before making it default.

Very good idea. Get it integrated into Ubuntu properly for some time,  
_then_ make it the prominent default tool.

This way you can put Empathy on the public schedule for Intrepid+1 
(+2?) and add a note there:

"If you want to test or use this app now, apt-get it into your  
current Ubuntu."

This likely helps to settle Empathy's integration and getting it a  
lot more testing before it's meant to give those important first  
impressions of Ubuntu.


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Re: Call for testing empathy

[Alexander Jones]

Reasonably fair point. It's just that that WOULD have been Hardy if
there wasn't a packaging oopsy wrt. connection manager dependencies.

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Re: Call for testing empathy

[Luke L]

Here's my other thought: I personally don't have Intrepid to test this
software out. Hardy doesn't have a functioning version (without going into
PPA and manual setup, which is not what most people will do). Jumping
straight into having it replace Pidgin might be hasty. Consider getting a
stable program in the OS for a release before making it default.

I am admittedly ignorant as to how stable Empathy and its extensions are.
Since several others and myself have never /heard/ of it before, I assume
it's a relatively new project.

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Re: Call for testing empathy

[Matt Zimmerman]

On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 05:25:05PM -0400, Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> Who makes the final call on the inclusion of Empathy in Intrepid?

The desktop team, or if they can't decide, the technical board can help
advise.

> Where does that discussion happen?

ubuntu-desktop@, #ubuntu-desktop, desktop team meetings, etc.

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Re: Call for testing empathy

[Brett Alton]

I would personally be worried switching from one program to the next
all the time.

A little while back Gaim was renamed to Pidgin, which I'm sure
confused a couple users. Although they were the exact same program, it
would have taken a couple minutes (or even a half an hour on the
Internet for some users) to figure this out.

Now we'll be switching to Empathy, which although it has the purple
backend, has a different front-end than Pidgin.

I think it is great that an instant messaging program is included in
Gnome, but I'd be worried about such a change when the program is
still in beta (or gamma) stage.

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Danny Piccirillo
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> I think Empathy is perfectly stable at this point, but doesn't have quite as
> many features as pidgin (file transfers and meta-contacts although file
> transfers should be ready really soon). It makes up for it with other things
> though. Voice and video, it does support all the protocols pidgin does,
> better integration, and the missing features are not far away. I've been
> using it exclusively for the past couple months and i don't think i could
> switch back. I think including this in Ubuntu now will lead to a better
> Ubuntu sooner (for those that are worried it isn't quite ready yet). I mean,
> Empathy works great as a multi-protocol char client (in my opinion) and i
> don't think any more users will be put off by it than by pidgin. People who
> like pidgin better can still easily install it. Sure, they can do that with
> Empathy, but including it is moving towards a better desktop faster. It will
> get integrated at some point, and i think it would be better in the long
> term to do that now (i also think it would be better in the short term but
> hopefully those that don't think so can at least agree on this).
>
> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Luke L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Here's my other thought: I personally don't have Intrepid to test this
>> software out. Hardy doesn't have a functioning version (without going into
>> PPA and manual setup, which is not what most people will do). Jumping
>> straight into having it replace Pidgin might be hasty. Consider getting a
>> stable program in the OS for a release before making it default.
>>
>> I am admittedly ignorant as to how stable Empathy and its extensions are.
>> Since several others and myself have never /heard/ of it before, I assume
>> it's a relatively new project.
>>
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Re: Call for testing empathy

[Danny Piccirillo]

I think Empathy is perfectly stable at this point, but doesn't have quite as
many features as pidgin (file transfers and meta-contacts although file
transfers should be ready really soon). It makes up for it with other things
though. Voice and video, it does support all the protocols pidgin does,
better integration, and the missing features are not far away. I've been
using it exclusively for the past couple months and i don't think i could
switch back. I think including this in Ubuntu now will lead to a better
Ubuntu sooner (for those that are worried it isn't quite ready yet). I mean,
Empathy works great as a multi-protocol char client (in my opinion) and i
don't think any more users will be put off by it than by pidgin. People who
like pidgin better can still easily install it. Sure, they can do that with
Empathy, but including it is moving towards a better desktop faster. It will
get integrated at some point, and i think it would be better in the long
term to do that now (i also think it would be better in the short term but
hopefully those that don't think so can at least agree on this).

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Luke L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Here's my other thought: I personally don't have Intrepid to test this
> software out. Hardy doesn't have a functioning version (without going into
> PPA and manual setup, which is not what most people will do). Jumping
> straight into having it replace Pidgin might be hasty. Consider getting a
> stable program in the OS for a release before making it default.
>
> I am admittedly ignorant as to how stable Empathy and its extensions are.
> Since several others and myself have never /heard/ of it before, I assume
> it's a relatively new project.
>
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Re: Call for testing empathy

[Danny Piccirillo]

Who makes the final call on the inclusion of Empathy in Intrepid? Where does
that discussion happen?
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Re: Call for testing empathy

[Duncan Lithgow]

Empathy looks great from what I've seen and read. But:

* it seems to have no protocol backends by default when I open 'Edit > Accounts'
* it doesn't look like it can import all the settings I already have
configures for Pidgin.

... so it's a bit of work to get started with testing. Maybe later.

But definitely looks like the way to go.

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Re: Call for testing empathy

[Guillaume Desmottes]

Le mercredi 13 août 2008 à 01:07 +0200, Aurélien Naldi a écrit :
>  I get the same icon between
> two empathy but it does not appear next to the ichat-using contact I
> wanted to talk to. AFAIK, ichat is supposed to work with gtalk, so I
> expected it to work with empathy as well.

No, iChat doesn't implement jingle audio/video.


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Call for testing empathy

[Laurent Bigonville]

Hello everyone,

Empathy[1] will be part of the upcoming GNOME 2.24 desktop.
The ubuntu desktop team considers using it instead of Pidgin for
intrepid as default IM client. If you are running intrepid, please give
empathy a test and report bugs to launchpad[2]. It may be installed by
running synaptic and installing the empathy package or by running
"sudo apt-get install empathy".
If you experiment a bug have a look at [3] before reporting.

Empathy consists of a rich set of reusable instant messaging widgets,
and a GNOME client using those widgets. It uses Telepathy and Nokia's
Mission Control, and reuses Gossip's UI. The main goal is to permit
desktop integration by providing libempathy and libempathy-gtk
libraries. libempathy-gtk is a set of powerful widgets that can be
embeded into any GNOME application.

The Telepathy[4] project is building a unified framework for many
different kinds of real-time communications. It uses the D-Bus
messaging system to provide a simple interface for client applications,
allowing them to quickly take advantage of Telepathy's benefits.
Telepathy supports XMPP(jabber), MSN, ICQ, SIP, ...

Laurent Bigonville

[1] http://live.gnome.org/Empathy
[2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy
[3] http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/Debugging
[4] http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/

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