Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [LAU] A survey if you don't mind

2014-10-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
I canceled the mail I send from the wrong mail account ;). Forwarded Message From: Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@rocketmail.com To: ubuntu-studio-devel ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Cc: willgodf...@musically.me.uk, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net Subject: Re: [LAU] A survey if

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [LAU] A survey if you don't mind

2014-10-22 Thread Len Ovens
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Please, keep this in mind! An artist production distro should also care about sane audio production. If just 7% of 30% use ALSA, then likely several people are used to adopt the distro's default. I suspect that several people installed Ubuntu Studio and

[ubuntu-studio-devel] PA in audio production - was: A survey if you don't mind

2014-10-22 Thread Len Ovens
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014, Eric Hedekar wrote: On 22 Oct 2014 14:36, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: Stop crying wolf... Nobody expects anyone to use PA for audio production, PA might be used for audio contribution if there is no other way (Ie skype calls), but audio

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PA in audio production - was: A survey if you don't mind

2014-10-22 Thread lukefromdc
One more use of Pulseaudio: pulling sound off of monetized Youtube videos as they play, by recording output from sound on a machine whose onboard sound had that capability removed my manufacturers to please Hollywood or mainstream news copythugs. Google can block the common downloaders and serve

ntp by default on servers in Vivid

2014-10-22 Thread Robie Basak
I'd like to seed ntp in both server and cloud-image in Vivid. Servers should maintain the correct time by default. Please make any objections now. Right now, ntpdate is seeded in minimal. It makes little sense to have both ntpdate and ntp installed. So is there some mechanism I can use to have

Re: ntp by default on servers in Vivid

2014-10-22 Thread Robie Basak
I should add some more related links: Debian making NTP happen by default too is being discussed in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=731594. openntpd was suggested, but this effort seems to have languished, and in Ubuntu we have ntp in main, not openntpd. An ntpdate issue in

Re: ntp by default on servers in Vivid

2014-10-22 Thread Robie Basak
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:10:05AM -0400, Bryan Quigley wrote: Could we just switch everything over to ntp? Is their a downside to this I'm missing? Desktop machines may not be online all the time. In this case, ntp won't really work very well, and it might be better just to sync the time when

Re: Request: Removal of ownCloud package from ubuntu

2014-10-22 Thread Marc Deslauriers
On 2014-10-22 10:18 AM, Lukas Reschke wrote: Hi list members, On behalf of the ownCloud project (www.owncloud.org) I’m requesting that “ownCloud server is removed from the Ubuntu packages: http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/owncloud (including all versions) - Let’s hope that this is

Re: ntp by default on servers in Vivid

2014-10-22 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
On 22 October 2014 14:51, Robie Basak robie.ba...@ubuntu.com wrote: I'd like to seed ntp in both server and cloud-image in Vivid. Servers should maintain the correct time by default. Please make any objections now. Right now, ntpdate is seeded in minimal. It makes little sense to have both

Re: Request: Removal of ownCloud package from ubuntu

2014-10-22 Thread Marc Deslauriers
Hi Lukas, On 2014-10-22 12:35 PM, Lukas Reschke wrote: Marc, I’m somewhat confused by that reply; so it is actually Ubuntu’s stance to include totally outdated software with known security vulnerabilities. The owncloud package in Ubuntu is in universe, which means it's maintained by the

Re: ntp by default on servers in Vivid

2014-10-22 Thread Seth Arnold
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 02:51:56PM +0100, Robie Basak wrote: I'd like to seed ntp in both server and cloud-image in Vivid. Servers should maintain the correct time by default. Please make any objections now. Right now, ntpdate is seeded in minimal. It makes little sense to have both ntpdate

Re: Request: Removal of ownCloud package from ubuntu

2014-10-22 Thread Lukas Reschke
Marc, I’m somewhat confused by that reply; so it is actually Ubuntu’s stance to include totally outdated software with known security vulnerabilities. If upstream complains then you’re going to force upstream to provide patches? At least for me that sounds really unusual. While we're pretty

Re: Request: Removal of ownCloud package from ubuntu

2014-10-22 Thread Marc Deslauriers
I want to use this opportunity and state that with different distributions (such as Debian) it was absolutely not a problem to get the freezed packages removed. It was removed before Wheezy came out. We can likely do the same with Utopic, I've just pinged someone to see if it can be

Re: Request: Removal of ownCloud package from ubuntu

2014-10-22 Thread Jorge O. Castro
Hi Lukas, on a partially related note, On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Lukas Reschke lu...@owncloud.com wrote: While we're pretty much Ubuntu fans here, doing the packaging for every distribution would just be way too much time for us. That’s why we have created even our own repositories