Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 05-10-2016 17:05: On 05 Oct 2016, at 16:30, Xen wrote: Ralf Mardorf schreef op 05-10-2016 15:31: let alone that some people don't use fstab at all on systemd installs. So what do they use instead? systemd I still use systemd with fstab. Are

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 05-10-2016 17:02: o a On 05 Oct 2016, at 16:23, Xen wrote: Errors? Hopefully warnings, such as the GTK GUI crap. When launching a GUI by CLI I sometimes add 2>/dev/null ;). KScreen. Lots of it. Of course there are probably "session"

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

On Wed, Oct 05, 2016 at 04:23:38PM +0200, Xen wrote: > Oliver Grawert schreef op 05-10-2016 14:41: > >along with that click packages are user packages and being used in > >ubuntu products on sale since 2015 (snaps will replace them > >eventually). > > That just means a user can install them, not

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

> On 05 Oct 2016, at 16:30, Xen wrote: > Ralf Mardorf schreef op 05-10-2016 15:31: >> let alone that some people don't use fstab at all on systemd installs. > > So what do they use instead? systemd I still use systemd with fstab. Regards, Ralf -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

o > On 05 Oct 2016, at 16:23, Xen wrote: > > Oliver Grawert schreef op 05-10-2016 14:41: >> >> there is ... see ~/.xsession-errors and ~/.cache/upstart/ >> (and there will be a systemd one as well, once switched to systemd user >> sessions) > > The first file is loaded

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 05-10-2016 15:56: On 05 Oct 2016, at 14:59, Himanshu Shekhar wrote: Standardized things, at least for a distro. Each distro has got it's policy, a distro specific standard. We could chose the distro that fits best to our needs. I didn't want to respond to this idea,

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 05-10-2016 15:44: On 05 Oct 2016, at 14:49, Xen wrote: Ion Windows it is very easy to put some application on some usb stick and run it from there, but this is hardly possible even in Linux. You don't need to link against shared libraries. Neither

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Oliver Grawert schreef op 05-10-2016 14:44: i must say that in many aspects i find nmcli more powerfull than ifconfig for scripting ...  it changed a lot within the last years ...  one big disadvantage is still that it requires a lot of dependencies ip or ifconfig do not require ... but disk

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Oliver Grawert schreef op 05-10-2016 14:41: hi, On Mi, 2016-10-05 at 04:05 +0200, Xen wrote: Xen schreef op 05-10-2016 3:32: > > In short, the discrepancy between what a user can do and what root > can > do, is too big. The result of this is that most services are installed completely 

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

> On 05 Oct 2016, at 14:59, Himanshu Shekhar wrote: > Standardized things, at least for a distro. Each distro has got it's policy, a distro specific standard. We could chose the distro that fits best to our needs. There are many other standards, some are unix alike, some are Linux specific

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

> On 05 Oct 2016, at 14:49, Xen wrote: > Ion Windows it is very easy to put some application on some usb stick and run > it from there, but this is hardly possible even in Linux. You don't need to link against shared libraries. Neither a container, nor snap is required to

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Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

> On 05 Oct 2016, at 14:44, Oliver Grawert wrote: > disk space is cheap in most cases Full ACK. This is very important. I dislike bloatware, but at least disk space is no issue nowadays. Regards, Ralf -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

> On 05 Oct 2016, at 14:41, Oliver Grawert wrote: >> On Mi, 2016-10-05 at 04:05 +0200, Xen wrote: >> In terms of logging: why is there not a daemon that can run for a >> user >> specifically? > > there is ... see ~/.xsession-errors and ~/.cache/upstart/ > (and there will be a

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Moreover, I think that Linux has come a long way and gained much maturity on the server and enterprise side, thanks to parallel efforts of "Canonical" and "RedHat" (and "Google"). The sector which Linux has long way to go is Desktop / Laptop and daily computing. Why do you think people prefer to

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

I appreciate Xen's first response stating how things go on in Windows and Apple. I know that snaps and containers are very different things and function differently. I was less concerned about snaps coming to Ubuntu, than two standards, namely Snaps and Flatpak coming to Linux. Both are good in

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 05-10-2016 14:11: On 05 Oct 2016, at 12:09, Xen wrote: [snip] Main problems in Linux have not been solved and now big solutions are built on top of it, and the consequence is that those high level solutions must be as shabby as the low level

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

hi, On Mi, 2016-10-05 at 14:21 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > PS: Since you mentioned Network Manager, I'm using scripts to either > connect by PPPoE or DHCP to the Internet. I don't have other needs > regarding networks. What is wrong with Network Manager, to provide > user-friendly network access?

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

PS: Since you mentioned Network Manager, I'm using scripts to either connect by PPPoE or DHCP to the Internet. I don't have other needs regarding networks. What is wrong with Network Manager, to provide user-friendly network access? You are not forced to use Network manager, you could use other

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

On 05 Oct 2016, at 12:09, Xen wrote: > [snip] Main problems in Linux have not been solved and now big solutions are > built on top of it, and the consequence is that those high level solutions > must be as shabby as the low level underneath, but now a 1000 fold worse, >

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

JMZ schreef op 05-10-2016 7:50: Is there really a huge learning curve for .bashrc and xinit? .bashrc is mostly a way to make an alias list. What I fear about snappy and other modularized systems is unnecessary complexity. I fear that simple commands such as tar -t are going to be replaced with

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 05-10-2016 9:16: On 05 Oct 2016, at 04:05, Xen "questioned" the way things are managed system wide and per user. I recommend to do either a minimalist Ubuntu install, e.g. use the server image and uncheck all recommended package groups, then start to install and set up

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Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

My apologies for sending it off-list first, iPad MUAs are a PITA, unfortunately Linux based tablet PC can't be used for making music. On 05 Oct 2016, at 04:05, Xen "questioned" the way things are managed system wide and per user. I recommend to do either a minimalist Ubuntu install, e.g. use