Re: GIMP *final* release for Gutsy?

2007-11-10 Thread Peter
On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 21:03:20 -0800 Aaron C. de Bruyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aaron C. de Bruyn: Upgrading simply because there is a newer version number is the wrong attitude. It's not that fact that it's a newer version (number): it's that it's a final, stable release versus a

Re: GIMP *final* release for Gutsy?

2007-11-10 Thread Emmet Hikory
On Nov 10, 2007 9:22 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what is it that an Ubuntu developer develops for Gimp? I thought it was the Gimp developers who developed Gimp. If I find a bug in Gimp I will address it with the Gimp developers and not with an Ubuntu developer. That's like saying if

Re: Password-protect grub interactive commands (was: rationale of root access from boot)

2007-11-10 Thread Thilo Six
Nicolas Deschildre wrote the following on 10.11.2007 07:06 -snip- Thanks for the pointer. But then, why not use this password feature by default to avoid anyone to edit boot parameter and become root? because it´s as easy as to plugin a LiveCD and overcome that. -- Thilo key: 0x4A411E09

Re: Password-protect grub interactive commands

2007-11-10 Thread Milan
The issue for now is clear: you can't let your, say, laptop to anybody for an hour or even less without risking ha may easily get root access and maybe change your password or modify your system. It can simply be used to read confidential files, like personal mail, not like military secret but

Re: Password-protect grub interactive commands

2007-11-10 Thread Thilo Six
Milan wrote the following on 10.11.2007 16:56 -snip- All in all, I'd rather suggest to activate password-locked GRUB, but I understand this question is hard to decide. Does anybody see other agruments on both sides? against: helping users on mailing lists or irc, with boot problems.

Re: Password-protect grub interactive commands

2007-11-10 Thread Chris Warburton
On Sat, 2007-11-10 at 17:41 +0100, Thilo Six wrote: Milan wrote the following on 10.11.2007 16:56 -snip- All in all, I'd rather suggest to activate password-locked GRUB, but I understand this question is hard to decide. Does anybody see other agruments on both sides? against:

Re: GIMP *final* release for Gutsy?

2007-11-10 Thread Scott (angrykeyboarder)
Aaron C. de Bruyn spake thusly: Wouldn't logic dictate that if their latest release was for bugfixes, that they would recommend an update? Or do developers update software just for the heck of it? I haven't done an official study or anything, but I'd be willing to bet that a month after

Re: GIMP *final* release for Gutsy?

2007-11-10 Thread Scott (angrykeyboarder)
Greg K Nicholson spake thusly : Aaron C. de Bruyn: Upgrading simply because there is a newer version number is the wrong attitude. It's not that fact that it's a newer version (number): it's that it's a final, stable release versus a non-final non-stable release. BINGO! --

Re: GIMP *final* release for Gutsy?

2007-11-10 Thread Scott (angrykeyboarder)
Aaron C. de Bruyn spake thusly on 249490952 :: Aaron C. de Bruyn: Upgrading simply because there is a newer version number is the wrong attitude. It's not that fact that it's a newer version (number): it's that it's a final, stable release versus a non-final non-stable release. And what

Re: GIMP *final* release for Gutsy?

2007-11-10 Thread Scott (angrykeyboarder)
Emmet Hikory spake thusly: If an issue is encountered with a package, it is much preferable to report it to Ubuntu, as it may or may not affect the upstream package (and the Ubuntu developers will forward the report if it does). I often report it to both Ubuntu and Upstream. Things tend to get

Re: GIMP *final* release for Gutsy?

2007-11-10 Thread Toby Smithe
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 23:22 -0700, Scott (angrykeyboarder) wrote: Emmet Hikory spake thusly: On 11/9/07, Scott (angrykeyboarder) wrote: Scott Kitterman spake thusly : On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:48:55 -0700 Scott (angrykeyboarder) wrote: Gutsy shipped with a *non-final* release of The GIMP

Re: GIMP *final* release for Gutsy?

2007-11-10 Thread Joseph Price
On Sat, 2007-11-10 at 12:30 -0700, Scott (angrykeyboarder) wrote: And lastly, what are the Ubuntu devs *developing* in the case of compiling existing source code from the GIMP? As far as I can tell there is nothing different between the version of the GIMP shipped with Ubuntu Feisty as

Re: GIMP *final* release for Gutsy?

2007-11-10 Thread João Pinto
Hello, I am sorry for the LONG mail, but I had no volunteer time this week and this thread is related to my main commitment to the Ubuntu community so I would like to provide my input. Ubuntu developers perform three major activities (and lots of others), specifically packaging available

Re: GIMP *final* release for Gutsy?

2007-11-10 Thread Emmet Hikory
On Nov 11, 2007 5:28 AM, João Pinto wrote: if you do believe that potentially this change from RC-Final is only with the splash screen logo, which if it's the case would resolve the problem from the user's expectation perspective, why bringing generic theoretical regression concerns without

Re: GIMP *final* release for Gutsy?

2007-11-10 Thread Aaron Whitehouse
On Nov 11, 2007 5:28 AM, João Pinto wrote: if you do believe that potentially this change from RC-Final is only with the splash screen logo, which if it's the case would resolve the problem from the user's expectation perspective, why bringing generic theoretical regression concerns

Re: GIMP *final* release for Gutsy?

2007-11-10 Thread Greg K Nicholson
Toby Smithe: There seems to be some confusion here: regardless of the content of the version string, bug fixes from upstream will have been ported back to the current Ubuntu package. The two releases are functionally identical, the only difference is the content of a string. So we're actually

Re: GIMP *final* release for Gutsy?

2007-11-10 Thread Peter
On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:50:27 +0900 Emmet Hikory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 10, 2007 9:22 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what is it that an Ubuntu developer develops for Gimp? I thought it was the Gimp developers who developed Gimp. If I find a bug in Gimp I will address it with

Azureus was - Re: GIMP *final* release for Gutsy?

2007-11-10 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Saturday 10 November 2007 21:49, Peter wrote: I understand the point of view of not fixing bugs at the end life of a cycle, but certain software updates aren't in Ubuntu yet while new version have been out for a while now. Azureus for example is still 2.5.0.0 in the official repo while

Re: Password-protect grub interactive commands

2007-11-10 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
On 11/11/07, Chris Warburton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2007-11-10 at 17:41 +0100, Thilo Six wrote: Milan wrote the following on 10.11.2007 16:56 -snip- All in all, I'd rather suggest to activate password-locked GRUB, but I understand this question is hard to decide. Does

Re: Password-protect grub interactive commands (was: rationale of root access from boot)

2007-11-10 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
On 11/10/07, Thilo Six [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nicolas Deschildre wrote the following on 10.11.2007 07:06 -snip- Thanks for the pointer. But then, why not use this password feature by default to avoid anyone to edit boot parameter and become root? because it´s as easy as to plugin a

Re: Password-protect grub interactive commands

2007-11-10 Thread Aaron Whitehouse
The only extra security measure I think is worth debating is full disk encryption. I assume that by full disk, you mean the areas that may have personal data. Several places discuss this concept and I understand that there is already an option in the Alternate CD to encrypt /home/. Have a look